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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Wednesday, February 22, 2012Most Meritorious Player: 1970 DiscussionNow we’re into the wonderfully colorful period of the 1970s. The Twins, Orioles, Reds and Pirates made the playoffs with the Orioles winning it all. Voting will end on March 21st 2012. Player SH Win BB-ref Shares WAR Jim Fregosi 32.8 7.7 Johnny Bench 36.1 6.5 Carl Yastrzemski 35.9 9.1 Bert Campaneris 26.6 5.6 Tommy Harper 33.0 7.7 Tony Perez 33.7 6.7 Tony Oliva 30.1 7.4 Billy Williams 28.1 6.4 Willie McCovey 33.9 6.4 Rusty Staub 28.9 6.2 Roy White 33.3 7.5 Bill Grabarkewitz 28.8 6.5 Pete Rose 29.1 3.6 Rico Carty 26.1 5.8 Joe Torre 25.5 5.6 Luis Aparicio 17.7 5.2 Joe Morgan 23.0 3.4 Henry Aaron 24.2 4.9 Bobby Bonds 32.2 5.1 Davey Johnson 23.1 3.4 Roberto Clemente 22.4 5.2 Frank Robinson 25.8 4.9 Jim Wynn 26.9 5.1 Reggie Smith 25.4 6.0 Thurman Munson 27.0 5.9 Harmon Killebrew 29.7 5.8 Dick Dietz 25.4 4.5 Frank Howard 29.3 4.4 Rico Petrocelli 23.7 4.5 Boog Powell 31.2 5.4 Bobby Tolan 29.1 4.3 Denis Menke 24.2 4.4 Cesar Tovar 28.1 4.4 Wes Parker 29.1 5.0 Bob Gibson 27.3 10.1 Sam McDowell 29.5 7.7 Ferguson Jenkins 26.4 6.6 Tom Seaver 23.8 6.4 Ken Holtzmann 23.2 6.4 Jim Palmer 24.8 6.2 Gaylord Perry 23.3 7.4 Carl Morton 20.2 4.9 Bill Hands 20.1 5.5 Tommy John 17.9 5.9 Pat Jarvis 19.4 5.4 Ray Culp 18.0 4.2 Mickey Lolich 16.7 4.8 Jim Perry 20.3 4.4 Gary Nolan 18.8 4.9 Marty Pattin 15.5 4.2 Dick Bosman 16.1 4.0 Dave McNally 20.9 3.9 Mudcat Grant 20.5 4.1 Dick Selma 20.4 5.0 Lindy McDaniel 18.9 3.4
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1. DL from MN Posted: February 22, 2012 at 04:29 PM (#4066445)1) Johnny Bench - C bonus moves him to the top
2) Jim Fregosi - Dan R likes SS
3) Carl Yastrzemski
4) Bob Gibson - top P again, great hitting this season
5) Bert Campaneris
6) Tommy Harper
7) Tony Perez
8) Billy Williams
9) Willie McCovey
10) Sam McDowell - top AL pitcher though Jim Perry won the CYA
11) Frank Howard
12) Roy White
13-15) Rico Petrocelli, Ferguson Jenkins, Boog Powell
16-20) Bobby Tolan, Tom Seaver, Denis Menke, Bernie Carbo, Tony Oliva
Rk Player WAR ERA+ SV WPA WHIP GF GS IP Age Tm Lg G W L ERA OPS OPS+
1 Dick Selma 4.9 147 22 4.329 1.243 47 0 134.1 26 PHI NL 73 8 9 2.75 .628 75
2 Mudcat Grant 4.2 193 24 5.371 1.064 54 0 135.1 34 TOT ML 80 8 3 1.86 .598 72
3 Lindy McDaniel 3.5 176 29 5.728 0.994 51 0 111.2 34 NYY AL 62 9 5 2.01 .548 59
4 Ken Sanders 3.5 215 13 1.758 0.964 30 0 92.1 28 MIL AL 50 5 2 1.75 .517 47
5 Tom Hall 3.4 149 4 4.021 1.030 13 11 155.1 22 MIN AL 52 11 6 2.55 .547 54
6 Chuck Taylor 3.2 133 8 1.000 1.182 22 7 124.1 28 STL NL 56 6 7 3.11 .651 77
7 Barry Lersch 3.2 123 3 1.298 1.203 14 11 138.0 25 PHI NL 42 6 3 3.26 .677 88
8 Darold Knowles 2.9 174 27 0.175 1.324 49 0 119.1 28 WSA AL 71 2 14 2.04 .644 87
9 Don McMahon 2.8 136 19 1.029 1.219 44 0 94.1 40 SFG NL 61 9 5 2.96 .630 74
10 John Hiller 2.2 124 3 0.472 1.231 18 5 104.0 27 DET AL 47 6 6 3.03 .652 85
11 Jim Ray 2.1 120 5 1.583 1.390 16 2 105.0 25 HOU NL 52 6 3 3.26 .735 106
12 Stan Williams 2.1 192 15 3.107 1.032 36 0 113.1 33 MIN AL 68 10 1 1.99 .575 61
13 Joe Hoerner 2.0 152 9 2.418 1.266 28 0 57.2 33 PHI NL 44 9 5 2.65 .698 93
14 Wilbur Wood 2.0 135 21 -1.884 1.266 62 0 121.2 28 CHW AL 77 9 13 2.81 .653 85
15 Ron Perranoski 1.9 156 34 1.101 1.351 52 0 111.0 34 MIN AL 67 7 8 2.43 .664 86
16 Clay Carroll 1.9 162 16 2.935 1.256 31 0 104.1 29 CIN NL 65 9 4 2.59 .642 75
17 Pete Richert 1.8 186 13 2.349 1.098 25 0 54.2 30 BAL AL 50 7 2 1.98 .596 69
18 Don Gullett 1.8 172 6 2.352 1.262 15 2 77.2 19 CIN NL 44 5 2 2.43 .600 64
1. Yaz
2. Bench--or it could be Bench, Yaz
3. Perez
4. Fregosi
5. Harper
6. Powell
7. R. White
8. McCovey
9. B. Williams
10. Oliva
11, Brooksie
12. Gibson
Player Team Series AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Buford Orioles ALCS 7 2 3 0 0 1 3 2 0 .429 .500 .857 1.357
Blair Orioles ALCS 13 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 4 .077 .143 .077 .220
DJohnson Orioles ALCS 11 4 4 0 0 2 4 1 1 .364 .462 .909 1.371
BRobinson Orioles ALCS 12 3 7 2 0 0 2 0 1 .583 .538 .750 1.288
FRobinson Orioles ALCS 10 3 2 0 0 1 2 5 2 .200 .467 .500 .967
Powell Orioles ALCS 3 14 2 6 2 0 1 6 0 3 .429 .429 .786 1.214
Killebrew Twins ALCS 11 2 3 0 0 2 4 2 4 .273 .385 .818 1.203
Oliva Twins ALCS 12 2 6 2 0 1 1 0 1 .500 .500 .917 1.417
Tovar Twins ALCS 13 2 5 0 1 0 1 0 0 .385 .385 .538 .923
Bench Reds NLCS 9 2 2 0 0 1 1 3 1 .222 .417 .556 .972
Perez Reds NLCS 12 1 4 2 0 1 2 1 1 .333 .385 .750 1.135
Tolan Reds NLCS 12 3 5 0 0 1 2 1 1 .417 .462 .667 1.128
Rose Reds NLCS 13 1 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 .231 .231 .231 .462
Blair Orioles WS 19 5 9 1 0 0 3 2 4 .474 .524 .526 1.050
Buford Orioles WS 15 3 4 0 0 1 1 3 2 .267 .389 .467 .856
DJohnson Orioles WS 16 2 5 2 0 0 2 5 2 .313 .476 .438 .914
FRobinson Orioles WS 22 5 6 0 0 2 4 0 5 .273 .273 .545 .818
BRobinson Orioles WS 21 5 9 2 0 2 6 0 2 .429 .429 .810 1.238
Powell Orioles WS 17 6 5 1 0 2 5 5 2 .294 .455 .706 1.160
Bench Reds WS 19 3 4 0 0 1 3 1 2 .211 .250 .368 .618
Perez Reds WS 18 2 1 0 0 0 0 3 4 .056 .190 .056 .246
Tolan Reds WS 19 5 4 1 0 1 1 3 2 .211 .318 .421 .739
Rose Reds WS 20 2 5 1 0 1 2 2 0 .250 .318 .450 .768
Pitcher Team Series G GS ERA W L SV CG IP H ER BB SO
McNally Orioles ALCS 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 6 3 5 5
Palmer Orioles ALCS 1 1 1.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 7 1 3 12
Nolan Reds NLCS 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 9.0 8 0 4 6
McNally Orioles WS 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 1 9.0 9 3 2 5
Palmer Orioles WS 2 2 4.60 1 0 0 0 15.2 11 8 9 9
Nolan Reds WS 2 2 7.71 0 1 0 0 9.1 9 8 3 9
He wasn't really so consistent a hitter every year, but he deserves extra credit for those big years. He was KILLING the matchup against so many opposing starters at a time where both SPs might well pitch into the 8th or beyond. It's another reason why the Cards, as they were listed on some Topps baseball cards in this era, won extra Gibson starts.
Top ten according to my system (tentative list)
Tony Perez- as a 3B perez' strong offensive season puts him on top
Johnny Bench- if Bench would have played exclusively as a C, he probably would be on top(still might be)
Willie McCovey- a typical McCovey year
Rico Carty - don't let the fact that Carty had just over 550 PA prevent his monster year from being considered for the top 12 in MLB
Billie Williams- A very strong offensive season, but aided by his home park
Unlikely if the second 5 are good enough to consider for the top 12.
Bill Grabarkewitz (please forgive spelling)
Joe Torre
Rusty Staub
Bernie Carbo
Bobby Tolan
1. Carl Yastrzemski, LF, Boston Red Sox: 177 OPS+, 157 runs created
2. Johnny Bench, C, Cincinnati Reds: 141 OPS+, 121 RC, +10 at Catcher
3. Willie McCovey, 1B, San Francisco Giants: 181 OPS+, 140 runs created
4. Tony Perez, 3B, Cincinnati Reds: 158 OPS+, 140 runs created
5. Jim Fregosi, SS, California Angels: 127 OPS+, 101 RC, +14 at Shortstop
6. Bob Gibson, P, St. Louis Cardinals: 133 ERA+, 294 innings, 99 OPS+ as a pitcher
7. Fergie Jenkins, P, Chicago Cubs: 132 ERA+, 313 innings
8. Billy Williams, LF, Chicago Cubs: 148 OPS+, 147 runs created
9. Rico Carty, RF, Atlanta Braves: 170 OPS+, 125 runs created
10. Dick Dietz, C, San Francisco Giants: 152 OPS+, 113 runs created
11. Tommy Harper, 3B, Milwaukee Brewers: 146 OPS+, 122 runs created
12. Gaylord Perry, P, San Francisco Giants: 125 ERA+, 328 innings
13. Bill Grabarkewitz, SS/3B/2B
14. Tom Seaver, P
15. Jim Palmer, P
16. Sam McDowell, P
17. Joe Torre, C/3B
18. Harmon Killebrew, 3B
19. Boog Powell, 1B
20. Frank Howard, LF
Consider Howard, Powell and Killebrew. They're the #2 through 4 hitters by OPS+ but they're all poor defensive players. Hondo is a disastrous -17 in fielding runs, Powell isn't too bad at -2 and Killebrew has a pretty poor -10. Compare those numbers to the similar hitters in the NL. Rico Carty, #2 in OPS+, is a decent +1 in fielding. Another corner outfielder, Billy Williams, is a similar +2. If those numbers were reserved- if the NL sluggers were awful defenders and the AL sluggers average ones- than my ballot would have reflected that. The difference between Carty at #9 and Howard at #20 is all defense.
I'm glad you asked though. While double-checking my numbers, I realized that I made an error in addition that gave Jenkins more credit he deserved. That error drops him behind Perry among pitchers and possibly behind Grabarkewitz as well.
I messed about for awhile and got my numbers plugged in.
What I'm still missing and would like are Dan R's pitching numbers....
So if Dan R has new ones to post that would be AWESOME. If not, I'd still
like to have his old numbers (DL from MN, you're my ususual source for those).
Anyway, as is, here is my preliminary top "howevermany".
This includes no postseason bonus and a 10% catcher bonus...
bench, johnny 9474
yastrzemski, carl 9147
gibson, bob 8933
mccovey, willie 8263
harper, tommy 8198
mcdowell, sam 8185
perez, tony 8155
fregosi, jim 8003
jenkins, ferguson 7897
white, roy 7641
powell, boog 7269
grabarkewitz, billy 7097
oliva, tony 7069
williams, billy 7027
Here's the 7 systems I'm using and who is tops in each:
fangraphsWAR: Carl Yastrzemski (no pitchers)
baseball-referenceWAR: Bob Gibson
danrosencheckWARP1: Jim Fregosi (no pitchers)
baseballprospectusWARP1: Bob Gibson
thebaseballgaugeWAR: Ferguson Jenkins
thebaseballgaugeWinShares: Johnny Bench
thebaseballgaugeWSAB: Carl Yastrzemski
I don't know for sure that I would have the time or that I have enough knowledge to do the legwork... but I would be interested to try!
I'm a little leery of actually posting my e-mail on here but I don't know if there is another way of doing this...
And for fluke seasons in 1970, Cito Gaston is another one.
Here's his 1971 card, in fact:
http://boxbreaker.ecrater.com/p/10007936/1971-topps-baseball-85-billy-grabarkewitz-dodgers
1972:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-TOPPS-578-BILLY-GRABARKEWITZ-NM-/350288790604
1973:
http://www.amazon.com/Topps-Grabarkewitz-California-Angels-Baseball/dp/B004OTSEHE
1974:
http://www.amazon.com/Topps-Grabarkewitz-Philadelphia-Protective-Screwdown/dp/B004OU3WZM
1975:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM2958203501P?ci_sku=SPM2958203501&ci_src=14110944&i_cntr=1330911416952&sid=IDx20101019x00001a
playerid IP/162 DERA PWAA1 BWAA1 StdevAdj IPAdj TransIP PWAA2 BWAA2 Rep WARP2
gibsobo01 295.5 3.3 4.5 0 1.121 0.828 244.7 4.2 0 -3.7 8
mcdowsa01 306 3.27 4.9 -1.8 1.169 0.828 253.3 4.7 -1.4 -3.7 7.1
jenkife01 314.6 3.36 4.5 -1.7 1.121 0.828 260.5 4.2 -1.3 -3.9 6.8
seaveto01 292.2 3.53 3.4 -0.8 1.121 0.828 241.9 3.2 -0.6 -3.6 6.2
holtzke01 289.2 3.55 3.3 -1.1 1.121 0.828 239.4 3.1 -0.8 -3.6 5.9
palmeji01 306 3.61 3.3 -1.7 1.169 0.828 253.3 3.2 -1.3 -3.8 5.7
perryga01 330.4 3.68 3.2 -2.1 1.121 0.828 273.5 2.9 -1.6 -4.1 5.4
mortoca01 286.2 3.73 2.5 -1 1.121 0.828 236.9 2.4 -0.7 -3.5 5.1
handsbi01 266.4 3.72 2.4 -0.8 1.121 0.828 220.5 2.2 -0.6 -3.2 4.9
johnto01 270.1 3.75 2.4 -0.9 1.169 0.828 223.6 2.3 -0.7 -3.2 4.9
jarvipa01 255.3 3.61 2.7 -1 1.121 0.828 211.4 2.5 -0.8 -3.1 4.8
culpra01 252.1 3.66 2.6 -1.7 1.169 0.828 208.7 2.5 -1.3 -3.2 4.4
lolicmi01 273.6 3.91 1.8 -1 1.169 0.828 226.5 1.7 -0.8 -3.3 4.3
perryji01 279.6 4.09 1.2 -0.5 1.169 0.828 231.5 1.1 -0.4 -3.4 4.1
nolanga01 252 3.83 1.9 -1 1.121 0.828 208.6 1.7 -0.8 -3.1 4
pattima01 234 3.69 2.3 -1.2 1.169 0.828 193.8 2.2 -0.9 -2.8 4
bosmadi01 231.4 3.69 2.3 -1.4 1.169 0.828 191.6 2.2 -1.1 -2.8 3.9
And hopefully I'll have the time and understanding to help with the legwork on getting Dan R's numbers updated!
Looks like that's the theme for the 1970 election
1) Yaz
2) Tommy Harper
3) Johnny Bench
4) Jim Fregosi
5) Roy White
6) Willie McCovey
7) Bobby Bonds
8) Billy Williams
9) Bob Gibson
10) Tony Perez
11) Sam McDowell
12) Boog Powell
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