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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Wednesday, April 24, 2013Most Meritorious Player: 1981 BallotFor 1981, each voter should rank their top 13 players from both leagues combined. Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EST on 02 May 2013. Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 01 May 2013. For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots. |
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1. DL from MN Posted: April 24, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4424508)1) Mike Schmidt - Top 3 players are pretty clearly separated from the rest
2) Dwight Evans - Every position player on ballot was at least +1 win with the glove, Evans was +1.6
3) Andre Dawson - no postseason bonus because he stunk in the playoffs
4) Bobby Grich
5) Rickey Henderson - small postseason bonus
6) Robin Yount - small postseason bonus, 2 fielding wins above average
7) Rick Burleson - great year from a decent player. Top non-HoM performance in 1981
8) Fernando Valenzuela - Bonus from 40 innings in postseason, total of 331IP, best pitcher in 1981
9) Steve McCatty - Best AL pitcher, don't recall McCatty-Mania.
10) Dave Concepcion - No postseason for Reds despite top record
11) Bert Blyleven
12) Nolan Ryan - Good postseason bumps him ahead of Carlton and Buddy Bell
13) George Foster - good fielding season
14-21) Buddy Bell, Steve Carlton, Keith Hernandez, Dave Steib, Alan Trammell, Bill Madlock, Eddie Murray, Dave Righetti
2. Rickey Henderson
3. Dwight Evans
4. Tom Seaver
5. Fernado Valenzuela
6. Steve McCatty
7. Andre Dawson
8. George Foster
9. Bobby Grich
10. Rollie Fingers
11. Jack Morris
12. Eddie Murray
13. Cecil Cooper
1. Mike Schmidt
2. Rickey Henderson
3. Dwight Evans
4. Nolan Ryan
5. Fernado Valenzuela
6. Bobby Grich
7. Steve McCatty
8. Andre Dawson
9. Tom Seaver
10. George Foster
11. Rollie Fingers
12. Eddie Murray
13. Cecil Cooper
Why Blyleven and not Seaver?
Okay. Someone had said that we don't allow music in until the ballot thread is there.
1 Schmidt, Mike 10000
2 Henderson, Rickey 8389
3 Evans, Dwight 8296
4 Dawson, Andre 8169
5 Grich, Bobby 6822
6 Bell, Buddy 6451
7 Valenzuela, Fernando 6253
8 Carlton, Steve 6033
9 Foster, George 6013
10 Yount, Robin 5958
11 Cooper, Cecil 5753
12 Hernandez, Keith 5657
13 Murphy, Dwayne 5593
14 Blyleven, Bert 5522
15 Ryan, Nolan 5470
16 Murray, Eddie 5363
17 Burleson, Rick 5293
18 McCatty, Steve 5198
19 Fingers, Rollie 5175
20 Concepcion, Dave 5159
Wins above replacement level: Since preliminary ballot have included DRA in fielding numbers and corrected a calculation mistake I made with the AL pitchers.
1. Mike Schmidt 7.82 WARR
2. Buddy Bell 6.66 WARR
3. Dwight Evans 6.13 WARR
4. Ricky Henderson 5.77 WARR
5. Andre Dawson 5.66 WARR
6. Robin Yount 5.24 WARR
7. Fernado Valenzuela 5.14 WARR
8. George Foster 5.09 WARR
9. Bobby Grich 4.91 WARR
10. Dwayne Murphy 4.78 WARR
11. Steve Carlton 4.63 WARR
12. Bert Blyleven 4.51 WARR
13. Tony Armas WARR
Rest of top 20
14. Tim Raines
15. Dave Stieb
16. Tom Seaver
17. Eddie Murray
18. Willie Wilson
19. Dave Concepcion
20. Ken Oberkfell
1. Mike Schmidt, 3B, Philadelphia Phillies: 198 OPS+ and 102 runs created both lead majors; add in +9 fielding runs and you have one of the most dominant seasons we've ever seen
2. Dwight Evans, RF, Boston Red Sox: 2nd in the AL in OPS+, 1st in RC, with +14 fielding runs in front of the Green Monster
3. Andre Dawson, CF, Montreal Expos: 157 OPS+ and +18 fielding runs in center
4. Bobby Grich, 2B, California Angels: 1st in AL in OPS+ but not the great fielding year we've seen from Grich in the past
5. Nolan Ryan, P, Houston Astros: leads the NL in ERA+ with 195
6. Rickey Henderson, LF, Oakland Athletics: a 151 OPS+ with +22 fielding runs
7. Steve Carlton, P, Philadelphia Phillies: a 151 ERA+ in 190 innings
8. Rollie Fingers, RP, Milwaukee Brewers: an unearthly 333 ERA+ (1.04 ERA)
9. Steve McCatty, P, Oakland Athletics: the best starting pitcher in the AL and the only one in the top five in both IP and ERA+
10. Tom Paciorek, 1B, Seattle Mariners: a career best 151 OPS+
11. Buddy Bell, 3B, Texas Rangers: love the +27 fielding runs to go with a 134 OPS+
12. Fernando Valenzuela, P, Los Angeles Dodgers: 192 innings with a 135 ERA+; no extra bonus for causing "mania"
13. George Foster, LF, Cincinnati Reds: a 150 OPS+ in a Big Red Machine swansong
2. Andre Dawson MON
3. Dwight Evans BOS
4. Bobby Grich CAL
5. Rickey Hendreson OAK
6. Fernando Valenzuela LAD
7. Steve Carlton PHI
8. Nolan Ryan HOU
9. Buddy Bell TEX
10.George Foster CIN
11.Eddie Murray BAL
12.Tony Armas OAK
13.Dwayne Murphy OAK
Big drop off after #8 IMO
I thought Evans was RF and Rice LF
- You're right, I even have Evans listed as RF in the same line- change that to +14 fielding runs in front of Pesky's Pole
1. Mike Schmidt
2. Rickey Henderson
3. Dwight Evans
4. Andre Dawson
5. Bobby Grich
6. Buddy Bell (hell of a year for 3B)
7. Robin Yount
8. Dwayne Murphy
9. Steve McCatty
10. Cecil Cooper
11. Steve Carlton
12. Bert Blyleven
13. George Foster
Oh, I thought this was just for anyone to vote. Sorry! Just ignore my ballot.
I'd actually like to accept the ballot but would like to know a little bit about how you put it together. Do you like Win Shares or WAR? Do you add playoff credit or a catcher bonus?
1. Mike Schmidt -- super year, led NL in all sabermetric categories
2. Dwight Evans -- his highest WAR in career, despite shortened season
3. Bobby Grich -- woefully underrated this season and in career
4. Andre Dawson -- would have been one slot higher if better postseason
5. Rickey Henderson -- great defensive outfielder early in his career
6. Fernando Valenzuela -- led NL in shutouts (8), complete games, and win value
7. Buddy Bell -- very solid season (great defense)
8. Steve Carlton -- very good season (avg 8 inning per start)
9. Robin Yount -- best AL shortstop
10. Nolan Ryan -- led NL with 195 ERA+ but team only 13-8 in his starts
11. Steve McCatty - pitched a ton under billy martin, led AL in win value
12. Keith Hernandez -- typical mex year
13. Rollie Fingers -- 1.04 ERA yields rollie the final slot
back to my prelim, and prorated my ratings according to the number
of team games played in 1981, but nobody's rating changed enough
to change their ranking.
1. Mike Schmidt
2. Dwight Evans
3. Rickey Henderson
4. Bobby Grich
5. Robin Yount
6. Andre Dawson
7. Steve McCatty
8. Cecil Cooper
9. Eddie Murray
10. Dave Concepcion
11. Nolan Ryan
12. George Foster
13. Steve Carlton
1. Mike Schmidt A fairly easy call this year, even with the crazy season
2. Fernando Valenzula Best ML pitcher
3. Andre Dawson
4. Dwight Evans AL MMP
5. Rickey Henderson
6. Gary Carter
7. Dwayne Murphy
8. Steve Carlton
9. Bobby Grich
10. George Foster
11. Nolan Ryan
12. Rick Burleson
13. Davey Concepcion
Dave Righetti is my best AL pitcher, edging McCatty, but neither makes the ballot.
1) Mike Schmidt: Best ML and third baseman by a mile.
2) Andre Dawson: Best ML center fielder.
3) Rickey Henderson: Best AL player and left fielder.
4) Dwight Evans: Best ML right fielder.
5) Bobby Grich: Best ML second baseman.
6) Cecil Cooper: Best ML first baseman.
7) George Foster: Best NL left fielder - can't wait for him to wear a Mets uniform in '82! :-(
8) Buddy Bell: Best AL third baseman.
9) Robin Yount: Best ML shortstop.
10) Fernando Valenzuala: Best ML pitcher - Fernandomania!
11) Tim Raines
12) Nolan Ryan
13) Rick Burleson
On a personal note, this was the year I really became a super fan instead of just a fan. First time I read the Sporting News guides and the Baseball Encyclopedia - my first Bill James Abstract is not that far off in the future. I really started catching up on baseball history at this time, too. By '82, there wasn't that many baseball records or personalities I didn't know something about.
Funny that the strike year not only made me more baseball crazy, but sports crazy in general.
I didn't overlook him, and have nothing against him. He's just off my top 20, in part
because I don't consider playoff value (it's not mandatory to do so, is it?), and in part because I
favor ERA more than RA. For what it's worth, the three pitchers on my
ballot include the top 3 pitchers on BBRef's 1981 MLB adjusted pitching wins leaders.
By other measures, Valenzuela loks better, and I could be underrating him, but it's not obvious
that he belongs on my ballot.
1- as you mentioned, 9th in brWAR
2- he's in a 3 way tie for 5th in bgWAR
3- he's in a 2 way tie for 7th in fgWAR
4- he's quite a ways down in Win Shares and WSAB (not surprising, considering how those systems are much less favorable to pitchers as the various WAR systems are. He's 3rd pitcher in Win Shares and 4th pitcher in WSAB).
5- I don't have pitching numbers for drWARP1 (I had tried at one point to help update his system... but my ignorance combined with my getting full time employment kept me from really making any progress. Sorry Dan!)
6- I used to use bpWARP (I forget which version) but a number of "years" ago my link stopped working (and I don't have a membership)
1. Mike Schmidt
2. Dwight Evans
3. Fernando Valenzuela
4. Robin Yount
5. Dwayne Murphy
6. Andre Dawson
7. Dave Concepcion
8. Rickey Henderson
9. Gary Carter
10. Bobby Grich
11. Burt Hooton
12. Steve McCatty
13. Rollie Fingers
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