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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Friday, May 24, 2013Most Meritorious Player: 1982 BallotFor 1982, each voter should rank their top 13 players from both leagues combined. Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EST on 06 June 2013. Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 05 June 2013. For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots. |
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1. Qufini Posted: May 24, 2013 at 04:13 PM (#4451563)1. Robin Yount, SS, Milwaukee Brewers: easy #1, 1st in OPS+ and RC with +8 fielding
2. Gary Carter, C, Montreal Expos: huge year at the plate (146 OPS+) and behind it (+14 fielding)
3. Mike Schmidt, 3B, Philadelphia Phillies: a credible follow-up to his MMP year of '81, 1st in NL OPS+, 2nd in RC
4. Doug DeCinces, 3B, California Angels: another ex-Oriole finds success on the West Coast, 149 OPS+ and +13 fielding
5. Steve Rogers, P, Montreal Expos: best pitcher in the NL by a wide margin, 152 ERA+ in 277 innings
6. Dwight Evans, RF, Boston Red Sox: a bit of a drop off offensively (149 OPS+ after 163) and defensively (+2 fielding after +14) but that only shows how good Dewey was in '81
7. Toby Harrah, 3B, Cleveland Indians: a last hurrah for Harrah with a 143 OPS+ and 123 Runs Created
8. Dave Stieb, P, Toronto Blue Jays: best pitcher in the AL by an even bigger margin, 138 ERA+ in 288 innings
9. Joaquin Andujar, P, St. Louis Cardinals: 148 ERA+ in 265 innings
10. Pedro Guerrero, RF/CF/3B, Los Angeles Dodgers: a butcher wherever he played but a bat (156 OPS+) that demanded he play somewhere
11. Eddie Murray, 1B, Baltimore Orioles: a 156 OPS+ and +4 fielding
12. George Brett, 3B, Kansas City Royals: would have been behind Murray whether or not he spent any time in left
13. Dale Murphy, CF/LF, Atlanta Braves: a 142 OPS+ and 118 Runs Created- flipped Murphy and Niekro from the prelim to give Dale the last ballot spot
14. Joe Niekro, P, Houston Astros: 135 ERA+ in 270 innings
15. Steve Carlton, P, Philadelphia Phillies
16. Andre Dawson, CF, Montreal Expos: a 132 OPS+ and +18 fielding
17. Al Oliver, 1B, Montreal Expos
18. Fernando Valenzuela, P, Los Angeles Dodgers
19. Cecil Cooper, 1B, Milwaukee Brewers
20. Paul Molitor, 3B, Milwaukee Brewers: the third Expo on the list followed by the second and third Brewer
My normal evaluation using wins above reduced replacement (WARR). Changes from the preliminary ballot are the result of averaging in the DRA fielding values with TZ.
1. Robin Yount 8.85 WARR
2. Dave Stieb 7.21 WARR
3. Gary Carter 7.07 WARR
4. Doug DeCinces 6.82 WARR
5. Steve Rogers 6.69 WARR
6. Pedro Guerrero 6.18 WARR
7. Mario Soto 6.07 WARR
8. Andre Dawson 5.96 WARR
9. Dwight Evans 5.84 WARR
10. Dale Murphy 5.81 WARR
11. Mike Schmidt 5.81 WARR
12. Ricky Henderson 5.65 WARR
13. Hal McRae 5.64 WARR
The rest of the top 20
Willie Wilson
Lance Parrish
Steve Carlton
Cecil Cooper
Eddie Murray
Keith Hernandez
Dickie Thon
My usual assortment of systems lumped together with a 10% catcher bonus and no post-season included.
1 10000 Yount, Robin
2 8443 Carter, Gary
3 8171 Schmidt, Mike
4 6781 DeCinces, Doug
5 6738 Guerrero, Pedro
6 6685 Murphy, Dale
7 6676 Evans, Dwight
8 6663 Rogers, Steve
9 6573 Carlton, Steve
10 6391 Soto, Mario
11 6385 Stieb, Dave
12 6325 Dawson, Andre
13 6315 Molitor, Paul
14 6245 Murray, Eddie
15 6220 Henderson, Rickey
16 6028 Lezcano, Sixto
17 6026 Cooper, Cecil
18 5979 Harrah, Toby
19 5789 Bell, Buddy
20 5758 Parrish, Lance
"Pedro Guerrero, an outfielder pressed into service at third base in 1983, once reportedly stated that his first thought whenever he was in the field was "I hope they don't hit it to me," while his second thought was "I hope they don't hit it to Sax."
IIRC, Pedro possessed a strong, but erratic arm. Kinda Zimmerman-esque in his throwing from 3b
2 - Mike Scmidt
3 - Dale Murphy
4 - Gary Carter
5 - Dwight Evans
6 - Dave Stieb
7 - Doug DeCinces
8 - Paul Molitor
9 - Pedro Guerrero
10 - Steve Rogers
11 - Joaquin Andujar
12 - Joe Niekro
13 - Steve Carlton
1) Robin Yount
2) Gary Carter (C bonus)
3) Mike Schmidt
4) Pedro Guerrero
5) Doug DeCinces
6) Steve Rogers - Top pitcher due to hitting
7) Joe Niekro - best pitcher without hitting
8) Dale Murphy
9) Dave Stieb
10) Mario Soto
11) Eddie Murray
12) Sixto Lezcano
13) Dickie Thon
14-20) Terry Kennedy, Buddy Bell, Andre Dawson, Joe Morgan, Rick Sutcliffe, Toby Harrah, Dwight Evans
21-23) Cecil Cooper, Lonnie Smith, George Brett
Ozzie Smith
1. Robin Yount
2. Gary Carter
3. Mike Schmidt
4. Steve Rogers
5. Dave Stieb
6. Dwight Evans
7. Lance Parrish
8. Dale Murphy
9. Joaquin Andujar
10. Terry Kennedy
11. Joe Morgan
12. Pedro Guerrero
13. Eddie Murray
14-20: Paul Molitor, Cecil Cooper, Rickey Henderson, Sixto Lezcano,
Doug DeCinces, Joe Niekro, Mario Soto
1. Robin Yount
2. Steve Carlton
3. Dale Murphy
4. Gary Carter
5. Andre Dawson
6. Dwight Evans
7. Fernando Valenzuela
8. Mike Schmidt
9. Steve Rogers
10. Doug DeCinces
11. Paul Molitor
12. Pedro Guerrero
13. Lou Whitaker
Robin Yount SS 26 Milwaukee 44.78
Eddie Murray 1B 26 Baltimore 36.26
Toby Harrah 3B 33 Cleveland 33.67
Reggie Jackson OF 36 California 31.90
John Lowenstein OF 35 Baltimore 29.53
Andre Thornton DH 32 Cleveland 29.36
Dwight Evans OF 30 Boston 29.12
Doug DeCinces 3B 31 California 28.71
Gorman Thomas OF 31 Milwaukee 27.85
Hal McRae DH 36 Kansas City 26.66
Paul Molitor 3B 25 Milwaukee 25.87
Cecil Cooper 1B 32 Milwaukee 25.71
Brian Downing OF 31 California 25.60
Greg Luzinski DH 31 Chicago 25.29
George Brett 3B 29 Kansas City 25.00
Gary Roenicke OF 27 Baltimore 22.75
Dave Winfield OF 30 New York 22.69
Oscar Gamble DH 32 New York 22.26
Fred Lynn OF 30 California 20.40
Rickey Henderson OF 23 Oakland 20.38
Dave Stieb 17-14 24 Toronto 26.35
Jim Clancy 16-14 26 Toronto 21.48
Len Barker 15-11 26 Cleveland 21.35
Jim Beattie 8-12 27 Seattle 18.29
Bob Stanley 12-7 27 Boston 17.71
Jim Palmer 15-5 36 Baltimore 16.36
Floyd Bannister 12-13 27 Seattle 16.32
Dan Petry 15-9 23 Detroit 15.08
Bill Caudill 12-9 25 Seattle 14.75
Rich Gossage 4-5 30 New York 14.65
Dennis Eckersley 13-13 27 Boston 14.56
Mike Schmidt 3B 32 Philadelphia 49.60
Pedro Guerrero OF 26 Los Angeles 43.76
Joe Morgan 2B 38 San Francisco 38.05
Sixto Lezcano OF 28 San Diego 31.20
Dusty Baker OF 33 Los Angeles 30.12
Dale Murphy OF 26 Atlanta 29.47
Jason Thompson 1B 27 Pittsburgh 29.14
Al Oliver 1B 35 Montreal 28.31
Jack Clark OF 26 San Francisco 27.79
Gary Carter C 28 Montreal 23.74
Leon Durham OF 24 Chicago 23.58
Terry Kennedy C 26 San Diego 22.02
Darrell Evans CI 35 San Francisco 20.86
Ruppert Jones OF 27 San Diego 19.59
Andre Dawson OF 27 Montreal 19.26
Lonnie Smith OF 26 St. Louis 18.28
Reggie Smith 1B 37 San Francisco 18.02
Gary Matthews OF 31 Philadelphia 17.38
Keith Hernandez 1B 28 St. Louis 17.26
Steve Rogers 19-8 32 Montreal 27.98
Joaquin Andujar 15-10 29 St. Louis 25.50
Mario Soto 14-13 25 Cincinnati 24.46
Joe Niekro 17-12 37 Houston 21.10
Gene Garber 8-10 34 Atlanta 17.93
Jerry Reuss 18-11 33 Los Angeles 17.71
Manny Sarmiento 9-4 26 Pittsburgh 16.79
Steve Bedrosian 8-6 24 Atlanta 16.56
Fernando Valenzuela 19-13 21 Los Angeles 15.93
Kent Tekulve 12-8 35 Pittsburgh 15.22
John Candelaria 12-7 28 Pittsburgh 13.18
1. Robin Yount
2. Gary Carter
3. Mike Schmidt
4. Pedro Guerrero
5. Dwight Evans
6. Paul Molitor (good postseason breaks tie with DeCinces and Murphy))
7. Doug DeCinces
8. Dale Murphy (not a good postseason)
9. Rickey Henderson (because I have more faith in Rickey than I have in either...)
10. Toby Harrah (or...)
11. Andre Dawson (ranked unreasonably high by WAR)
12. Dave Stieb
13. Captain America (Steve Rogers, who unaccountably played for a team in Canada)
1) Robin Yount: Best ML player and shortstop by a mile.
2) Mike Schmidt: Best ML player third baseman.
3) Gary Carter: Best ML catcher.
4) Pedro Guerrero: Best ML right fielder.
5) Paul Molitor: Best AL third baseman.
6) Dale Murphy: Best ML center fielder.
7) Cecil Cooper: Best ML first baseman.
8) Sixto Lezcano
9) Joe Morgan: Best ML second baseman.
10) Doug DeCinces
11) Rickey Henderson: Best ML left fielder.
12) Dwight Evans: Best AL right fielder.
13) Steve Rogers: Best ML pitcher.
My 1982 MMP ballot:
1. Robin Yount -- best by far
2. Gary Carter -- great underrated season
3. Mike Schmidt -- led NL in OBP and SLG
4. Doug DeCinces -- career season in first year with Angels
5. Andre Dawson -- when he was still a good center fielder
6. Dwight Evans -- led AL in OBP
7. Steve Rogers -- led NL in ERA, ERA+, WAR, and Win Value
8. Pedro Guerrero -- a hitter in search of a position
9. Toby Harrah -- last good season of decent career
10. Dale Murphy -- led Braves to post-season for first time since 1969
11. Paul Molitor -- with some post-season credit
12. Dave Stieb -- led AL in IP, shutouts, and WAR
13. Steve Carlton -- led NL in IP, wins, starts, complete games, shutouts, and strikeouts
1. Robin Yount: By a fair distance, actually. Maybe the best hitting season, coupled with good defence at shortstop.
2. Dwight Evans -- Best RFer
3. Paul Molitor -- Best 3B
4. Gary Carter -- NL MMP, Best C
5. Dale Murphy -- Best CF
7. Doug DeCinces
8. Joe Morgan -- Best 2B
9. Andre Dawson
10. Toby Harrah
11. Mike Schmidt
12. Lonnie Smith -- Best LF
13. Gorman Thomas
No pitchers, although Carlton just missed the ballot. Roger was my #2 pitcher; Stieb was the best pitcher in the AL.
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