Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

You are here > Home > Hall of Merit > Discussion
Hall of Merit
— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best

Thursday, December 22, 2016

Most Meritorious Player: 1999 Ballot

For 1999 each voter should rank the top 15 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 4 January 2017.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 3 January 2017.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2016 at 02:23 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Related News:

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. DL from MN Posted: December 22, 2016 at 05:09 PM (#5373086)
1999 Ballot
1) Pedro Martinez - outstanding regular season and perfect in the playoffs
2) Derek Jeter - great bat and decent glove season, huge number of plate appearances, great postseason
3) Randy Johnson - tons of innings
4) Mike Hampton - good hitting season helps keep him close to Johnson
5) Roberto Alomar - good glove, postseason bump
6) Manny Ramirez - not a terrible fielder this year
7) Kevin Millwood - postseason bump
8) Nomar Garciaparra - not a good fielding season, postseason bump
9) Ivan Rodriguez - very good fielder, might be underrated
10) Edgardo Alfonzo - postseason bump, good fielder, many of the top 15 were in the playoffs this year
11) Chipper Jones - postseason bump, bad fielding season
12) Jeff Bagwell - best bat
13) Randy Velarde
14) Carl Everett
15) Brian Giles

16-20) Omar Vizquel, Shawn Green, Barry Larkin, Bobby Abreu, John Smoltz
21-25) Jason Giambi, Andruw Jones, Luis Gonzalez, Brad Radke, Tim Hudson
   2. Qufini Posted: December 22, 2016 at 08:34 PM (#5373206)
1999 Ballot

1. Pedro Martinez, P, Boston Red Sox: one of the greatest seasons of all-time- 243 ERA+ plus top ten in IP
2. Randy Johnson, P, Arizona Diamondbacks: 184 ERA+ to go with MLB leading 271 IP
3. Chipper Jones, 3B, Atlanta Braves: the year's best position player with a 169 OPS+ and 165 Runs Created
4. Derek Jeter, SS, New York Yankees: best position player in the AL; 4th in AL in OPS+ as a SS
5. Manny Ramirez, RF, Cleveland Indians: 174 OPS+ and 158 RC lead the AL
6. Jeff Bagwell, 1B, Houston Astros
7. Mark McGwire, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: poor defense and (-9 fielding) and baserunning (-4) drops Big Mac below Bagwell
8. Nomar Garciaparra, SS, Boston Red Sox: 5th in AL in OPS+ but only 135 games played separates him from Jeter above
9. Roberto Alomar, 2B, Cleveland Indians: great all-around play; just outside the top ten in OPS+ (140) while adding +5 baserunning and +8 defense from the keystone
10. Rafael Palmeiro, DH, Texas Rangers: 2nd in AL OPS+ (160) and 3rd in RC (152)
11. Kevin Millwood, P, Atlanta Braves: the fourth man in the Braves rotation has the best season
12. Larry Walker, RF, Colorado Rockies
13. Brian Giles, RF, Pittsburgh Pirates: Walker and Giles are essentially tied
14. Mike Hampton, P, Houston Astros: great combo of rate (155 ERA+) and bulk (239 IP)
15. Ivan Rodriguez, C, Texas Rangers: the writers' MVP sneaks onto the bottom of my ballot

16. Robin Ventura, 3B, New York Mets
17. Kevin Brown, P, Los Angeles Dodgers
18. Bobby Abreu, RF, Philadelphia Phillies
19. Luis Gonzalez, RF, Arizona Diamondbacks
20. Edgardo Alfonzo, 2B, New York Mets
21. Jason Giambi, 1B, Oakland Athletics
22. Sammy Sosa, RF, Chicago Cubs
23. Shawn Green, RF, Toronto Blue Jays
24. Billy Wagner, RP, Houston Astros
25. Edgar Martinez, DH, Seattle Mariners
   3. ThickieDon Posted: December 23, 2016 at 10:00 AM (#5373353)
1. Pedro Martinez - 313 K's and 37 BB; 1.39 FIP; best (or at least the most dominant) season of all-time
2. Derek Jeter - post-season bonus bumps him above Manny and Bagwell for top position player
3. Randy Johnson - 364 K's in 271 excellent innings; 12 CGs and 2 SHO
4. Jeff Bagwell - most offensive runs in MLB; 30 steals, too
5. Manny Ramirez - highest wRC+ in MLB
6. Chipper Jones - monster offense from 3B (65.3 offensive runs second-best all-time behind 1953 Al Rosen); solid base-running
7. Roberto Alomar - a top 50 all-time 2B season; .323/.422/.533 line pretty impressive
8. Nomar Garciaparra - 7th best slugging percentage ever for a SS; post-season bump
9. Brian Giles - overlooked gem; in top 10 for most offensive categories; played mostly CF
10. Robin Ventura - solid offense and HOF-level defense at 3B
11. Mark McGwire - 65 HR and massive offense but horrible D brings him down
12. Andruw Jones - another one of the best CF seasons of all time; offense just OK for a juiced ball era season
13. Mike Hampton - solid pitching season; 1+ wins with the bat vaults him over #14 and 15
14. Larry Walker - somewhat one-dimensional in 1999; also knocked down a few pegs by Coors and injuries
15. Edgardo Alfonzo - above average across the board
   4. MrC. Posted: December 23, 2016 at 11:08 AM (#5373408)
1999 Ballot

1. Pedro Martinez 9.55 WARR A 2.39 RA in a league with a 5.31 RA is just amazing..
2. Randy Johnson 8.70 WARR A dominating season
3. Mike Hampton 8.66 WARR A very strong pitching season in addition to 1+ wins for batting.
4. Manny Ramirez 8.29 WARR Most RAA in ML, Still a plus fielder at this stage of his career.
5. Robbie Alomar 7.82 WARR
6. Brian Giles 6.49 WARR Best offense player not named Bagwell or McGwire in the NL. Defense (position played and rating) place him above these two gentlemen.
7. Bernie Williams 6.45 WARR
8. Mark McGwire 6.36 WARR McGwire and Bagwell essentially tied for the most RAA in the NL. McGwire's -6.5 defensive rating was just enough better than Bagwell's -11 to give him a slight edge.
9. Jeff Bagwell 6.24 WARR
10. Kevin Millwood 6.24 WARR
11. Rafael Palmiero 6.18 WARR Second most RAA in the AL, but played most of his games as a DH.
12. Nomar Garciaparra 6.16 WARR
13. jamie Moyer 6.03 WARR
14. Chipper Jones 5.95 WARR Best offensive non-1B infielder in NL, but -28 fielding rating keeps him from an elite rating.
15. Derek Jeter 5.90 WARR Third best RAA in the AL, but -21 fielding rating put him in the same class as Jones.

Rest of the top 20

16. Shawn Green
17. Larry Walker Ratewise, definitely deserves to be on the ballot, but did not have enough plate appearances.
18. Kevin Brown
19. Randy Velarde
20. Ivan Rodriguez
   5. OCF Posted: January 02, 2017 at 01:42 PM (#5376343)
I think I'll take a pass on voting for 1999 - my contemporary document doesn't really give me enough to go on. I'll be back for 2000 and 2001.
   6. bjhanke Posted: January 03, 2017 at 06:59 AM (#5376592)
This is Brock Hanke’s ballot for 1999. Again, I am at the screaming end of mulitple project deadlines, so I don’t have time to write an essay. My method, for those of you who are new, is to run the ordinals for Win Shares and WAR, add those together, and rank the players by the sum. This produces some howling disconnects between the two systems, and this year is no exception. Pedro Martinez fans are going to howl, but I agree with Win Shares on the relative values of pitchers and position players. Anyway here’s the list:

1. Derek Jeter
2. Jeff Bagwell
3. Roberto Alomar
4. Chipper Jones
5. Manny Ramirez
6. Pedro Martinez
7. Nomar Garciaparra
8. Randy Johnson
9. Andruw Jones
10. Robin Ventura
11. Mike Hampton
12. Ivan Rodriguez
13. Edgardo Alfonoso
14. Jason Giambi
15. Brian Giles
   7. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: January 03, 2017 at 10:09 AM (#5376637)
1999 MMP Ballot:

(Values are peak-rate salary estimator divided by $1M)

1) Pedro Martinez (25.61)
2) Randy Johnson (19.52) - NL MMP
3) Roberto Alomar (16.20) - AL MMPosition Player
4) Manny Ramirez (15.84)
5) Nomar Garciaparra (15.79)
6) Derek Jeter (15.66)
7) Ivan Rodriguez (14.89)
8) Jeff Bagwell (14.71) - NL MMPosition Player
9) Chipper Jones (13.85)
10) Mike Hampton (13.03)
11) Andruw Jones (12.70)
12) Bernie Williams (12.68)
13) Brian Giles (12.06)
14) Jason Giambi (11.46)
15) Randy Velarde (10.86)

16-25) Robin Ventura, Shawn Green, Rafael Palmeiro, Bobby Abreu, Edgardo Alfonzo, John Smoltz, Kevin Brown, Carl Everett, Kevin Millwood, Brad Radke.
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 03, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5376763)
I'll have something ready before the deadline, gentlemen.
   9. caiman Posted: January 03, 2017 at 12:53 PM (#5376777)
Here's my RPA rated players, based upon runs produced above the median:

1. Jeff Bagwell 58.04 runs
2. Chipper Jones 48.38 runs
3. Derek Jeter 48.16 runs
4. Mark McGwire 47.60 runs
5. Manny Ramirez 46.90 runs
6. Pedro Martinez 44.58 runs
7. Bernie Williams 40.98 runs
8. Jason Giambi 40.10 runs
9. Rafael Palmeiro 39.43 runs
10. Kevin Brown 35.98 runs
11. John Jaha 35.36 runs
12. Randy Johnson 34.03 runs
13. Brian Giles 34.00 runs
14. Carl Everett 33.51 runs
15. Nomar Garciaparra 33.20 runs
16. Albert Belle 33.18 runs
   10. EricC Posted: January 03, 2017 at 01:00 PM (#5376781)
1999 MMP ballot. Sorry I don't have time for more substantial comments.

1. Pedro Martinez. Top P in WAR. Amazing 243 ERA+
2. Derek Jeter. Career year; topped off by great championship run.
3. Ivan Rodriguez. Top C; MVP in real life.
4. Randy Johnson. 2nd-best P in WAR; MLB IP leader.
5. Manny Ramirez. Top OF.
6. Nomar Garciaparra. Was on a HOF track.
7. Roberto Alomar Top 2B.
8. Chipper Jones. Top 3B.
9. Jeff Bagwell. Top 1B.
10. Bernie Williams. Top CF.
11. Rafael Palmeiro. Top DH.
12. Mike Hampton. He was great at his peak. Hit well too.
13. Robin Ventura
14. Kevin Millwood
15. Ken Griffey Jr.
   11. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 03, 2017 at 06:25 PM (#5376980)
Official 1999 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses):

1) Jeff Bagwell: Best ML player and first baseman.
2) Derek Jeter: Best AL player and ML shortstop.
3) Manny Ramirez: Best ML right fielder.
4) Nomar Garciaparra
5) Robert Alomar: Best ML second baseman.
6) Pedro Martinez: Best ML pitcher.
7) Bernie Williams: Best ML center fielder.
8) Mark McGwire:
9) Craig Biggio: Best NL second baseman.
10) Chipper Jones: Best ML third baseman.
11) Ken Griffey, Jr.
12) Mike Hampton: Best NL pitcher.
13) Robin Ventura
14) Brian Giles: Best NL center fielder.
15) Randy Johnson
   12. DL from MN Posted: January 04, 2017 at 10:29 AM (#5377232)

36. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: January 03, 2017 at 11:05 PM (#5377085)
No postseason bonus but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender

1. Pedro Martinez--amazing season, one of the best ever for a pitcher. It's hard to believe he never won an actual MVP
2. Jeter--also hard to believe he never won an MVP
3. Pudge Rodriguez--catcher bonus
4. Chipper Jones--edges out Bagwell
5. Bagwell
6. Roberto Alomar
7. Manny Ramirez--RBIs! It's kinda surprising no one came close to challenging Hack Wilson's RBI record or Earl Webb's doubles record during the Steroid Era
8. Randy Johnson--I was a big fan of Mike Hampton in '99 but myself & the CY voters correctly valued Unit's ERA, SOs, & IP over Hamptons excellent 22-4 record
9. Garciaparra--too bad he didn't maintain this HOF level play
10.Ventura--slick glove
12.McGwire--hard to believe Big Mac hits 60+ bombs & barely makes the top 15, the game was chock full of 40 HR/400 OBP guys. Sosa was a near miss but his OBP wasn't anything special & his fielding was subpar
13.Larry Walker--easy top 5 if not for injuries

Honorable mention--Randy Velarde-this was his best season-when the Mitchell Report came out, the name that I was most disappointed to see was Velarde's

Edit |Close
37. Yardape Posted: January 04, 2017 at 12:54 AM (#5377112)
Based mostly on gWar, small postseason credit when applicable.

1. Pedro Martinez - The peak season from one of the all-time great peak pitchers. Eye-popping.
2. Randy Johnson - Not quite as amazing as Martinez, but part of a really dominant run by Johnson.
3. Derek Jeter - Probably his best season. Best position player in MLB.
4. Mike Hampton - Best season by a mortal pitcher?
5. Roberto Alomar - Best 2B
6. Nomar Garciaparra
7. Jeff Bagwell
8. Chipper Jones - Best 3B
9. Manny Ramirez
10. Randy Velarde
11. Edgardo Alfonzo - Two career seasons by two good but not great 2B.
12. Andruw Jones
13. Jamie Moyer - It's always fun to see Moyer on a ballot.
14. Kevin Millwood - The Braves really did have some amazing pitching in the 90s.
15. Robin Ventura

Honorable mention: Luis Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez (best C), Brian Giles.
   13. Cassidemius Posted: January 04, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5377345)
Oh, DL already copied my ballot over, but just for official record:

1. Pedro Martinez
2. Randy Johnson
3. Derek Jeter
4. Mike Hampton
5. Roberto Alomar
6. Nomar Garciaparra
7. Jeff Bagwell
8. Chipper Jones
9. Manny Ramirez
10. Randy Velarde
11. Edgardo Alfonzo
12. Andruw Jones
13. Jamie Moyer
14. Kevin Millwood
15. Robin Ventura
   14. DL from MN Posted: January 04, 2017 at 04:06 PM (#5377536)
Ballot is closed

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.



<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF


Thanks to
Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama
for his generous support.


You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.


Page rendered in 0.2676 seconds
59 querie(s) executed