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The Yankees beat the Mets in a Subway Series. Teams hit a record 5,693 home runs.

Player			SH WS		BBR WAR
Alex Rodriguez		38.0		10.4
Barry Bonds		34.1		7.7
Jason Giambi		36.6		7.7
Darin Erstad		29.5		8.3
Brian Giles		27.5		6.4
Jeff Kent		36.9		7.2
Troy Glaus		26.9		7.8
Carlos Delgado		35.6		7.3
Todd Helton		29.9		8.8
Jorge Posada		28.5		5.5
Gary Sheffield		30.6		6.1
Jim Edmonds		29.8		6.3
Nomar Garciaparra	29.4		7.4
Mike Piazza		28.9		5.1
Richard Hidalgo		24.3		6.3
Bobby Higginson		24.2		5.3
Sammy Sosa		29.1		5.7
Edgardo Alfonzo		32.1		6.4
Vladimir Guerrero	28.9		5.9
Jason Kendall		23.6		4.5
Charles Johnson		22.0		5.1
Jermaine Dye		24.6		4.6
Chipper Jones		28.4		5.6
Andruw Jones		31.6		8.2
Manny Ramirez		25.3		4.8
Ivan Rodriguez		19.6		4.8
Geoff Jenkins		21.8		4.4
Johnny Damon		25.6		6.1
Scott Rolen		19.5		4.5
Derek Jeter		24.3		4.6
Bobby Abreu		24.9		6.2
Ken Griffey Jr		23.9		5.5
Ellis Burks		22.2		5.0
Jeff Bagwell		25.1		5.4
Edgar Martinez		28.2		5.7
Frank Thomas		31.9		6.0
Carl Everett		22.9		4.7
Phil Nevin		23.3		4.1
Travis Fryman		21.8		4.7
Mark McGwire		19.2		4.2
Luis Castillo		20.3		4.5
Jose Valentin		23.1		4.9
Jim Thome		21.1		4.7
Miguel Tejada		22.9		4.2
Roberto Alomar		21.2		5.6
Luis Gonzalez		25.2		4.2
Tim Salmon		22.8		4.4
Kenny Lofton		16.1		3.4
Bernie Williams		25.5		5.2
David Justice		21.3		5.1
Shannon Stewart		19.6		5.0

Pitcher
Pedro Martinez		29.2		11.7
Randy Johnson		26.3		8.1
Greg Maddux		24.4		6.7
Kevin Brown		20.2		6.8
Mike Mussina		18.0		5.6
Mike Hampton		18.2		5.3
Tom Glavine		21.6		5.1
Jeff D'Amico		15.5		4.8
Chan Ho Park		17.3		5.6
Curt Schilling		16.1		5.2
David Wells		18.0		4.8
Javier Vazquez		14.1		5.2
Bartolo Colon		15.0		4.8
Robert Person		13.8		3.8
Al Leiter		17.5		4.3
Frank Castillo		12.3		3.9
Brad Radke		14.3		6.2
Chuck Finley		15.6		4.5
Kris Benson		14.3		4.9
Kenny Rogers		15.3		5.1
Brian Anderson		15.3		4.1
Roger Clemens		15.4		4.5
Woody Williams		11.1		3.6
Tim Hudson		15.0		4.0
Rick Helling		15.1		4.2	

Mariano Rivera		16.2		2.6
Gabe White		14.3		4.5
Derek Lowe		18.8		3.5
Danny Graves		16.6		3.1
Keith Foulke		15.8		3.1
LaTroy Hawkins		11.3		3.0

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1. DL from MN Posted: January 06, 2017 at 02:28 PM (#5378913)

2000 Prelim

Two candidates really stand out this year

1) Pedro Martinez - tops the ballot again. Best pitching season since Maddux 1995.

Best pitching seasons in the history of the MMP project by my point score

1985 Gooden 21.5
1995 Maddux 21.4
1971 Carlton 21.2
1994 Maddux 20.6
1997 Clemens 19.9
1968 Gibson 19.5
2000 P Martinez 19.5
1902 Waddell 19.1
1963 Koufax 18.7
1972 Seaver 18.3
1971 Seaver 18.0
1999 P Martinez 18.0
1971 Wood 17.9
2015 Greinke 17.9
1901 Young 17.8
1978 Guidry 17.7
1972 Perry 17.7
1995 Johnson 17.7
1980 Carlton 17.5
1953 Roberts 17.5
1966 Marichal 17.2
1966 Koufax 17.1
1993 Rijo 17.0

2) Alex Rodriguez - good fielding season, strong all-around production
3) Barry Bonds - 2nd best bat and good glove
4) Jason Giambi - best bat
5) Randy Johnson
6) Darin Erstad - 2.6 FWAA in LF
7) Brian Giles - best CF
8) Greg Maddux
9) Jeff Kent
10) Troy Glaus - good glove season for Troy
11) Kevin Brown
12) Carlos Delgado
13) Todd Helton
14) Jorge Posada - best C
15) Gary Sheffield

16-20) Jim Edmonds, Nomar Garciaparra, Mike Piazza, Richard Hidalgo, Bobby Higginson
21-25) Sammy Sosa, Edgardo Alfonzo, Vladimir Guerrero, Jason Kendall, Charles Johnson

2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 06, 2017 at 03:57 PM (#5378997)

Dan, when are we moving back to the earlier eras?

3. DL from MN Posted: January 06, 2017 at 04:13 PM (#5379012)

Because of the change to the VC to consider the most recent era the most often we will finish up the 2000's and then move to 1940-49 next year. In 2019 we will start 1912-1939, finishing 1901-2021 by 2021 (ten years real time).

4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 06, 2017 at 06:05 PM (#5379091)

Okay, Dan. Thanks!

5. OCF Posted: January 06, 2017 at 09:17 PM (#5379164)

Ah, somehow that (making a post in another thread) seemed to work.

My post-season all-star teams, with all the usual foibles: 25 man rosters, but too many position players and not enough pitchers. Position changes when I felt like it. Starting lineup organized into a batting order (check out my NL leadoff hitter this year.)

For the National League:

1. Todd Helton, 1B
2. Jim Edmonds, CF
3. Barry Bonds, LF
4. Gary Sheffield, DH
5. Jeff Kent, 2B
6. Mike Piazza, C
7. Sammy Sosa, RF
8. Edgardo Alfonso, 3B
9. Edgar Renteria, SS

Starter: Randy Johnson
Starter: Kevin Brown
Starter: Greg Maddux
Starter: Tom Glassine
Starter: Mike Hampton

Reserves

Jason Kendall, C
Chipper Jones, IF
Barry Larkin, SS
Brian Giles, CF
Vlad Guerrero, OF
Mark McGwire, PH/1B

Robb Nen, closer
Armando Benitez, RP
Al Leiter, P
Chan Ho Park, P
Jeff D’Amico, P

6. OCF Posted: January 06, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5379165)

American League

1. Nomar Garciaparra, 2B (!)
2. Alex Rodriguez, SS
3. Carlos Delgado, DH
4. Jason Giambi, 1B
5. Manny Ramirez, RF
6. Troy Glaus, 3B
7. Darin Erstad, LF
8. Jorge Posada, C
9. Bernie Williams, CF (in hindsight, why didn’t I put Erstad in CF?)

Starter: Pedro Martinez
Starter: Mike Mussina
Starter: Chuck Finley
Starter: David Wells
Starter: Bartolo Colon

Reserves

Ivan Rodriguez, C
Roberto Alomar, IF
Derek Jeter, IF
Frank Thomas, DH/PH
Edgar Martinez, DH/PH
Carl Everett, OF

Derek Lowe, RP
Mariano Rivera, RP
Roger Clemens, P
Brad Radke, P
Keith Foulke, P

7. OCF Posted: January 06, 2017 at 09:18 PM (#5379166)

NL Cy Young:
1. Randy Johnson
2. Kevin Brown
3. Greg Maddux
4. Tom Glavine
5. Mike Hampton

AL Cy Young:
1. Pedro Martinez
2. Mike Mussina
3. Chuck Finley
4. David Wells
5. Derek Lowe
“Any writer who votes for Wells or anyone else over Martinez for Cy Young should have his BBWAA membership card immediately shredded and mixed with his kitty litter. There is not the remotest question here as to who should be first.”

NL MVP:
1. Jeff Kent
2. Barry Bonds
3. Mike Piazza
4. Jim Edmonds
5. Randy Johnson
6. Kevin Brown
7. Todd Helton

AL MVP:
1. Pedro Martinez
2. Jason Giambi
3. Carlos Delgado
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Nomar Garciaparra
6. Frank Thomas
7. Edgar Martinez
“There might be a case for including Ivan Rodriguez despite his injury.”

Some more quotes. Here’s my written-in-2000 justification for putting Jeff Kent first in the NL; I’m not sure the 2016 version of me is buying it:

“Bonds is a big hitter, the best hitter in the league, but Kent is also a big hitter - essentially the same number of runs created as Bonds albeit in more outs and one of the 5 best hitters in the league - and he’s a second baseman.”

So it’s a positional value argument, but I don’t think I was really properly considering defensive value.

8. OCF Posted: January 06, 2017 at 09:19 PM (#5379167)

And my document closed with this, which looks very useful for MMP purposes:

As a final gesture - a single All-Star team across the two leagues, with no position-switching (except for into DH):

C: Mike Piazza
1B: Jason Giambi
2B: Jeff Kent
3B: Troy Glaus
SS: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Jim Edmonds
RF: Sammy Sosa
DH: Carlos Delgado
SP: Pedro Martinez
SP: Randy Johnson
SP: Kevin Brown
SP: Greg Maddux
SP: Mike Mussina
RP: Robb Nen

9. OCF Posted: January 06, 2017 at 09:38 PM (#5379173)

From DL in MN: "7) Brian Giles - best CF"

In my 2000 document, I do have a discussion of why I chose Edmonds over Giles (and Andrew Jones and Tony Eusebio). One of the points was that Giles played only 77 of his 156 games in CF, dividing the remainder of his games between LF and RF. But in the same paragraph, I also admit that I don't have actual defensive statistics from 2000 and am partly using prior reputation (including Jones 1999 and Edmonds 1997).

I also have a discussion of Sosa versus Vlad Guerrero, and held it against Vlad as a demerit that the Expos seemed to feel obligated to play Wilton Guerrero. Checking what bb-ref says: they say Wilton G. had -0.8 WAR for 2000, on his way to a -1.7 career total.

10. MrC. Posted: January 09, 2017 at 01:21 PM (#5380337)

2000 NL All Star Team

C Jason Kendall Piazza was the best offensive catcher, nut defensively was almost 20 runs below Kendall. The thing that tipped the scale to Kendall was the fact that Piazza had about 65 fewer PA than Kendall.
1B Todd Helton An extraordinary offensive season, even after considering the Coors effect. With +25 fielding runs as well, will go down as one of the great ones. Runner-up jeff Bagwell had a very good season, but it was a no contest for the all star.
2B Jeff Kent Kent was about 20 runs better offensively than Alfonso. About the same defensively. Two very good seasons, but, like Helton, Kent was offensively dominant.
3B Jeff Cirillo Cirillo and Rolen had very similar offensive rate stats. But despite Rolen's better defensive numbers, I chose Cirillo as the all star because of his approx. 150 more PA.
SS Edgar Rentaria The best of (at best) a very average bunch.
LF Barry Bonds The best offensive of with a +10 fielding rating.
CF Brian Giles A very interesting decision. After Helton, Bonds and Kent, the next best 5 players (according to WARR) were CF. (Giles, Hidalgo, Griffey, Edmonds and Jones) Giles was the best offensively (65 RAA) with average defensive numbers. Griffey (44 RAA) and Edmonds (49 RAA) were on the next tier offensively. Hidalgo (38 RAA) and Jones (32 RAA) were slightly below them. Giles was and average fielder, Griffey (+10.7) and Edmonds (+5.3) were above average fielders and Hidalgo (+21.5) and Jones (+18.5) were superior fielders. The order of hitting and fielding prowess were essentially reversed. Combing the 2 Giles was just slightly less than 1/2 a win more than Hidalgo.
RF Sammy Sosa A very solid offensive season; -5.5 fielding runs. Bobby Abreu as runner-up.

If actually picking the all star team, it may be better to choose Giles as the RF and pick one of the others as CF. According to the numbers, Hidalgo would be my choice.

SP No real surprises here.

1. Randy Johnson .39 Batting WARR
2. Greg Maddux .07 batting WARR
3. Kevin Brown -.36 batting WARR
4. Tom Glavine -.04 batting WARR
5. MIke Hampton .95 batting WARR

Batting numbers did not change who the top 5 SP were.

RP
Gabe White
Mike Myers
Rob Nen

AL team to follow in a few days.

11. OCF Posted: January 09, 2017 at 06:32 PM (#5380671)

As always, one factor in the relative level of agreement between my >15 year old choices for all star teams and MrC.'s which he base on current best information: cases like Todd Helton for 1B or Barry Bonds for LF or Randy Johnson for #1 pitcher. Realistically, what else were we supposed to do?

12. ThickieDon Posted: January 10, 2017 at 10:34 AM (#5380915)

Very early ballot:

1. Alex Rodriguez - with post-season bonus
2. Pedro Martinez
3. Jason Giambi
4. Barry Bonds
5. Todd Helton
6. Darrin Erstad
7. Randy Johnson
8. Carlos Delgado
9. Jeff Kent

#'s 10-20
Still trying to decide how to sort these guys, including post-season bonuses:
Troy Glaus
Andruw Jones
Gary Sheffield
Nomar Garciaparra
Manny Ramirez
Brian Giles
Kevin Brown
Jim Edmonds +
Edgardo Alfonzo +
Vlad Guerrero
Richard Hidalgo

13. MrC. Posted: January 11, 2017 at 04:41 PM (#5381935)

2000 AL All Star Team

C Jorge Posada Rate wise offensively Posada and IRod were very similar, but IRod played only 91 games as compared to 151 games for Posada.
1B jason Giambi Outstanding season. Carlos Delgado also had a superb season but was out distanced both offensively and defensively by Giambi.
2B Roberto Alomar Best of a rather average bunch
3B Troy Glaus best offensive 3B with a +22 fielding rating.
SS Alex Rodriguez A great season, especially for a SS. He was 15 runs better than Garciaparra ofFensively and 4.5 runs defensively.
LF Darin Erstad A very solid offensive season with a +30.8 fielding rating
CF Johnny Damon Damon and Williams were essentiallythe same offensively, but Damon was almost 19 runs better defensively.
RF Manny Ramirez Despite playing only 118 games and having a -18.5 defensive rating, Ramirez' outfield best offense was good enough to make the all star team
DH Frank Thomas Had the best numbers as a DH, but Carlos delgado was about 20 runs better offensively. I think he deserves the all star recognition.

SP
Pedro Martinez He has more than double the WARR of the next best SP
Brad Radke
Mike Mussina
Kenny Rogers
Bartolo Colon

RP
Derek Lowe
Keith Foulke
Jim Mecir

14. MrC. Posted: January 11, 2017 at 04:42 PM (#5381937)

15. MrC. Posted: January 11, 2017 at 06:49 PM (#5382023)

2000 Preliminary Ballot

Sorry above the double post above.

1. Pedro Martinez 11.20 WARR
2. Todd Melton 10.92 WARR
3. Jason Giambi 9.28 WARR
4. Alex Rodriguez 8.77 WARR
5. Randy Johnson 8.27 WARR
6. Darin Erstad 7.66 WARR
7. Carlos Delgado 7.60 WARR
8. Barry Bonds 7.27 WARR
9. Jeff Kent 7.23 WARR
10. Nomar Garciaparra 6.90 WARR
11. Greg Maddux 6.72 WARR
12. Brian Giles 6.57 WARR
13. Frank Thpmas 6.53 WARR
14. Johnny Damon 6.50 WARR
15. Troy Glaus 6.22 WARR

Rest of the top 20
Richard Hidalgo
Kevin Brown
Ken Griffey
Jim Edmonds
Edgar Martinez

16. Infinite Yost (Voxter)

Posted: January 11, 2017 at 07:15 PM (#5382038)

1. Pedro Martinez 11.20 WARR
2. Todd Melton 10.92 WARR
3. Jason Giambi 9.28 WARR
4. Alex Rodriguez 8.77 WARR
5. Randy Johnson 8.27 WARR
6. Darin Erstad 7.66 WARR

I suppose this isn't any great insight or anything, but what a time it was when a CF could bat .355 and both (A) fail to win a batting title and (B) very plausibly be listed sixth on an MMP ballot.

17. OCF Posted: January 13, 2017 at 09:31 AM (#5382855)

... when a CF could bat . 355 ...

Point of information: Erstad only started 25 games in CF; he started 111 games in LF. The primary CF for the Angels was Garret Anderson. (Yes, Erstad had outstanding defensive numbers and Anderson had average defensive numbers, but that's the way they played. Orlando Palmiero filled in some in LF and RF and was pretty good on defense as well.)

Erstad only spent two years as the primary CF for the Angels: 2001 and 2002. He was hurt in 2003 and then played 1B for the Angels in 2004. He did have a great year on defense in CF in 2002, which corresponded with Jarrod Washburn (a fly ball pitcher) having his best year, in which the Angels won the World Series.

18. Qufini Posted: January 14, 2017 at 03:22 PM (#5383318)

2000 is kind of 1999 redux. Pedro overwhelms a great shortstop's great season with a historic year while Randy Johnson battles it out with a first baseman for the top spot in the NL.

2000 Prelim Ballot

1. Pedro Martinez, P, Boston Red Sox: in the discussion for the greatest pitching season of all time; #2 by ERA+ (291) next to Tim Keefe in 1880
2. Alex Rodriguez, SS, Seattle Mariners: outstanding all-around season; 163 OPS+; +16 fielding and +6 baserunning
3. Todd Helton, 1B, Colorado Rockies: 192 runs created laps the field in the NL; 163 OPS+ and +18 fielding are pretty shiny too
4. Carlos Delgado, 1B, Toronto Blue Jays: AL-leading 186 RC and 181 OPS+
5. Jason Giambi, 1B, Oakland Athletics: AL-leading 187 OPS+ and 172 RC
6. Barry Bonds, LF, San Francisco Giants: NL-leading 188 OPS+ and 155 RC
7. Nomar Garciaparra, SS, Boston Red Sox: 7th in AL in OPS+ while adding +9 with the glove
8. Randy Johnson, P, Arizona Diamondbacks: NL-leading 181 ERA+ and 248 IP
9. Jeff Kent, 2B, San Francisco Giants: 162 OPS+ at the hot corner
10. Darin Erstad, LF/CF, Anaheim Angels: +29 fielding plus top ten RC and top 12 OPS+
11. Troy Glaus, 3B, Anaheim Angels: better bat than Erstad (150 OPS+) and a plus glove at third
12. Frank Thomas, DH, Chicago White Sox: 5th in AL in OPS+
13. Mike Piazza, C, New York Mets: 155 OPS+ while wearing the tools of ignorance
14. Kevin Brown, P, Los Angeles Dodgers
15. Greg Maddux, P, Atlanta Braves: Brown and Maddux are 3rd and 4th in NL ERA+ with 230 and 249 IP respectively

16. Vladimir Guerrero, RF, Montreal Expos
17. Sammy Sosa, RF, Chicago Cubs
18. Manny Ramirez, LF, Cleveland Indians
19. Brian Giles, CF, Pittsburgh Pirates
20. Edgardo Alfonzo, 2B, New York Mets

19. Qufini Posted: January 14, 2017 at 03:23 PM (#5383319)

2000 Preliminary Ballot

Sorry above the double post above.

1. Pedro Martinez 11.20 WARR
2. Todd Melton 10.92 WARR

Melton?

20. MrC. Posted: January 14, 2017 at 10:12 PM (#5383441)

Chris

Typing and its support partner editing are obviously not by strong suits. ;-)

21. DL from MN Posted: January 20, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5387020)

2000 NLDS Mets 3 Giants 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Edgardo Alfonzo  4  18  1  5  2  0  1  5  1  2  .278  .316  .556  .871  0  1  0
Mike Piazza  4  14  1  3  1  0  0  0  4  3  .214  .389  .286  .675  0  0  0

Barry Bonds  4  17  2  3  1  1  0  1  3  4  .176  .300  .353  .653  1  0  0
Ellis Burks  4  13  2  3  1  0  1  4  4  2  .231  .412  .538  .950  0  0  0
Jeff Kent  4  16  3  6  1  0  0  1  1  3  .375  .412  .438  .849  1  0  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Mike Hampton  1  1  8.44  0  1  0  0  5.1  6  5  5  3  2  1.688
Al Leiter  1  1  2.25  0  0  0  0  8.0  5  2  2  3  6  1.000

22. DL from MN Posted: January 20, 2017 at 05:34 PM (#5387041)

2000 NLDS Cardinals 3 Braves 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jim Edmonds  3  14  5  8  4  0  2  7  1  2  .571  .600  1.286  1.886  1  0  0
Mark McGwire  3  2  1  1  0  0  1  1  1  0  .500  .667  2.000  2.667  0  0  

Andruw Jones  3  9  3  1  0  0  1  1  4  1  .111  .385  .444  .829  0  1  0
Chipper Jones  3  12  2  4  1  0  0  1  1  4  .333  .385  .417  .801  0  0  2  

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Tom Glavine  1  1  27.00  0  1  0  0  2.1  6  7  7  1  2  3.000
Greg Maddux  1  1  11.25  0  1  0  0  4.0  9  7  5  3  2  3.000

23. DL from MN Posted: January 20, 2017 at 05:38 PM (#5387042)

2000 ALDS Mariners 3 White Sox 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Edgar Martinez  3  11  2  4  1  0  1  2  2  1  .364  .462  .727  1.189  0  0  
Alex Rodriguez  3  13  0  4  0  0  0  2  0  2  .308  .308  .308  .615  0  1  0

Frank Thomas  3  9  0  0  0  0  0  0  4  0  .000  .308  .000  .308  0  0  0  
Jose Valentin  3  10  2  3  2  0  0  1  2  2  .300  .417  .500  .917  3  0  1  

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Keith Foulke  2  0  11.57  0  1  0  0  2.1  4  3  3  2  2  2.571

24. DL from MN Posted: January 20, 2017 at 06:12 PM (#5387052)

2000 ALDS Yankees 3 Athletics 2

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Derek Jeter  5  19  1  4  0  0  0  2  2  3  .211  .318  .211  .529  0  1  0
Jorge Posada  5  17  2  4  2  0  0  1  3  5  .235  .350  .353  .703  0  0  0
Bernie Williams  5  20  3  5  3  0  0  1  1  4  .250  .273  .400  .673  0  1  0

Jason Giambi  5  14  2  4  0  0  0  1  7  2  .286  .500  .286  .786  0  0  1
Miguel Tejada  5  20  5  7  2  0  0  1  2  2  .350  .409  .450  .859  1  0  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Roger Clemens  2  2  8.18  0  2  0  0  11.0  13  10  10  8  10  1.909
Mariano Rivera  3  0  0.00  0  0  3  0  5.0  2  0  0  0  2  0.400  

Tim Hudson  1  1  3.38  0  1  0  1  8.0  6  4  3  4  5  1.250

25. MrC. Posted: January 21, 2017 at 11:18 AM (#5387212)

DL's posting of the post season results got me thinking about post season bonuses. Up to this point, I have not included any post season consideration, mainly because I did not feel I could accurately quantify it.

However, recently I have been checking out the post season WPA scores on Baseball Gauge and think this information could very easily form the basis for a post season bonus.

My question to those who already calculate a bonus is this? Do you also debit a player's value who have a poor post season? And if not, what is your rationale for not doing this?

26. DL from MN Posted: January 21, 2017 at 11:09 PM (#5387518)

Thought I would dig up a link to the Internet Baseball Awards

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=845

Giambi and Bonds

27. MrC. Posted: January 22, 2017 at 06:37 PM (#5387910)

After careful consideration, I have decided to include a post season adjustment; crediting and debiting each player's rating appropriately depending on their post season performance. Since my skill set does not allow me to easily create an original adjustment formula, I will simply be using the post season WPA values from Baseball Gauge. These values vary from +1.35 wins for Mariano Rivera to -.66 wins for Arthur Rhodes.

Making this adjustment, changes the order of my ballot somewhat. Jeff Kent (+.07 WPA) and Barry Bonds (-.09) switch positions. Frank Thomas (-.24 WPA) drops below Johnny Damon. Greg Maddux (-.32 WPA) drops below Brian Giles.

The only person to come on to the ballot is Jim Edmonds (.42 WPA); who replaces Troy Glaus on the ballot.

I am not unhappy with these changes; especially with Edmonds. After all 7 HR in one post series season probably should get some extra credit.

28. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5388380)

I don't usually penalize for postseason but I add credit for above-average performances at a rate consistent with playing time. I only look at the offense to make my judgement since defensive info is hard to collect.

29. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5388574)

2000 ALCS Yankees 4 Mariners 2

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Derek Jeter  6  22  6  7  0  0  2  5  6  7  .318  .464  .591  1.055  1  0  0  
Jorge Posada  6  19  2  3  1  0  0  3  5  5  .158  .360  .211  .571  0  1  0  
Bernie Williams  6  23  5  10  1  0  1  3  2  3  .435  .481  .609  1.090  1  0  0  

Edgar Martinez  6  21  2  5  1  0  1  4  3  5  .238  .333  .429  .762  0  0  
Alex Rodriguez  6  22  4  9  2  0  2  5  3  8  .409  .480  .773  1.253  1  0  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Roger Clemens  1  1  0.00  1  0  0  1  9.0  1  0  0  2  15  0.333
Mariano Rivera  3  0  1.93  0  0  1  0  4.2  4  1  1  0  1  0.857

30. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2017 at 02:32 PM (#5388582)

2000 NLCS Mets 4 Cardinals 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Edgardo Alfonzo  5  18  5  8  1  1  0  4  4  1  .444  .565  .611  1.176  0  0  0
Mike Piazza  5  17  7  7  3  0  2  4  5  0  .412  .545  .941  1.487  0  0  0

Jim Edmonds  5  22  1  5  1  0  1  5  1  9  .227  .261  .409  .670  0  0  1
Mark McGwire  3  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  .000  .333  .000  .333  0  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Mike Hampton  2  2  0.00  2  0  0  1  16.0  9  0  0  4  12  0.813
Al Leiter  1  1  3.86  0  0  0  0  7.0  8  3  3  0  9  1.143

31. DL from MN Posted: January 23, 2017 at 02:47 PM (#5388595)

2000 World Series Yankees 4 Mets 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Derek Jeter  5  22  6  9  2  1  2  2  3  8  .409  .480  .864  1.344  0  0  0
Jorge Posada  5  18  2  4  1  0  0  1  5  4  .222  .391  .278  .669  0  0  0
Bernie Williams  5  18  2  2  0  0  1  1  5  5  .111  .304  .278  .582  0  0  0

Edgardo Alfonzo  5  21  1  3  0  0  0  1  1  5  .143  .217  .143  .360  0  0  0
Mike Piazza  5  22  3  6  2  0  2  4  0  4  .273  .273  .636  .909  0  1  0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Roger Clemens  1  1  0.00  1  0  0  0  8.0  2  0  0  0  9  0.250  
Mariano Rivera  4  0  3.00  0  0  2  0  6.0  4  2  2  1  7  0.833

Mike Hampton  1  1  6.00  0  1  0  0  6.0  8  4  4  5  4  2.167
Al Leiter  2  2  2.87  0  1  0  0  15.2  12  6  5  6  16  1.149

32. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: January 28, 2017 at 10:31 PM (#5391779)

Preliminary ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
This year was very difficult as so many gawdy hitting totals were so close

1. Pedro Martinez-- I was reluctant to have him at the very top since he only started 29 games but unlike the hitters, he was head and shoulders above his pitching peers--particularly those in the AL
2. A Rodriguez
3. Giambi--huge year for young A's
4. Bonds
5. Kent
6. Delgado
7. Helton
8. Randy Johnson
9. Andruw Jones
10.Erstad
11.Garciaparra
12.F Thomas
13.Edgar Martinez
14.Piazza--catcher bonus
15.Maddux

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