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Monday, March 27, 2017

Most Meritorious Player: 2002 Ballot

For 2002 each voter should rank the top 15 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 5 April 2017.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 4 April 2017.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2017 at 10:58 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: March 27, 2017 at 02:18 PM (#5424205)
1) Barry Bonds - Already separated from the crowd, then a great postseason. One of the best individual seasons ever
2) Alex Rodriguez - An MMP worthy season most years
3) Randy Johnson - Best pitcher 2002 but a step back from his 2001
4) Jim Thome - BIG bat, 2nd best BWAA by a good margin
5) Jim Edmonds - strong postseason moves him up the list
6) Derek Lowe - best AL pitcher
7) Bartolo Colon
8) Vladimir Guerrero
9) Chipper Jones - small postseason bump
10) Jeff Kent - small postseason bump
11) Curt Schilling - small postseason bump
12) Barry Zito - no postseason bump
13) Jason Giambi - small postseason bump
14) Pedro Martinez
15) Roy Halladay - not a great year for pitchers at the top of the ballot but several good ace pitching seasons

16-20) Tim Hudson, Scott Rolen, Albert Pujols, Nomar Garciaparra, Bobby Abreu
21-27) Brian Giles, Shawn Green, David Eckstein, Larry Walker, Miguel Tejada, Roy Oswalt, Todd Helton
   2. Moeball Posted: March 28, 2017 at 01:38 AM (#5424546)
Taken from the discussion thread:

1. B. Bonds – best offensive road season ever, surpassing T. Williams 1957 (worth looking up!)
2. R. Johnson – Best MLB pitcher has unbelievable run of dominance from 1993-2002 culminate in a HOF-clinching season
3. A. Rodriguez – was basically twice as good offensively as any other shortstop in MLB; decent glove, too
4. C. Schilling – are he and Johnson 2001/2002 best 1-2 pair at top of rotation ever?
5. B. Giles – #2 hitter in NL; had some great seasons overshadowed by Bonds/Sosa
6. J. Thome – all this guy does is hit the holy heck out of a baseball; an underappreciated career
7. J. Kent – had about as good a season as he did in winning 2000 MVP but Bonds at an insane level
8. D. Lowe – top AL pitcher in a year when Pedro was only great instead of otherworldly
9. J. Edmonds – best MLB center fielder in middle of outstanding run from 2000-2004
10. S. Sosa – finishing a 5-year run of 292 HRs, best ever; ironically only led league when not hitting 60+ in a season
11. Ja. Giambi – another great season at the plate; #2 AL hitter behind Thome
12. V. Guerrero – probably best all-around season of career; was above average at hitting, running & fielding
13. R. Halladay – Doc had big breakthrough season, would go on to dominate for a decade
14. R. Oswalt – I admit, at the time I thought he was on his way to a HOF career but injuries shortened it
15. S. Green – big numbers for playing your home games in Dodger Stadium
   3. ThickieDon Posted: March 28, 2017 at 09:01 AM (#5424582)
1. Barry Bonds - don't forget his incredible post-season (8 HR in 45 AB; .356/.581/.978 triple slash)

2. Alex Rodriguez - easy MMP almost any other year
3. Randy Johnson
4. Curt Schilling
5. Jim Thome - an all-time great batting performance dwarfed by Bonds

6. Jason Giambi
7. Vladimir Guerrero
8. Jeff Kent
9. Pedro Martinez - another dominant season but 199 IP limits value
10. Roy Halladay
11. Jim Edmonds
12. Brian Giles
13. Scott Rolen
14. Andruw Jones
15. Nomar Garciaparra - excelled in all areas, another outstanding year; too bad about the injuries or he would be HOF-bound
   4. bjhanke Posted: March 29, 2017 at 03:12 AM (#5425118)
Here’s Brock Hanke’s ballot for 2002. Again, WAR overrates pitchers, but Randy Johnson did have an extraordinary season, and two other pitchers did make the back end of my ballot. Barry Bonds had a great postseason, if there was any reason to give him a boost. Curt Schilling had a good postseason, so I slid him ahead of Brian Giles. Otherwise, I just went with my collation of ordinals method.

1. Barry Bonds
2. Jim Thome
3. ARod
4. Jason Giambi
5. Randy Johnson
6. Shawn Green
7. Vladimir Guerrerro
8. Jeff Kent
9. Jim Edmonds
10. Todd Helton
11. Andruw Jones
12. Chipper Jones
13. Curt Schilling
14. Brian Giles
15. Barry Zito
   5. caiman Posted: April 04, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5428726)
Here's the RPA top rated players for 2002, with the number of runs produced, above the average.

1. Barry Bonds 111.44 runs. This is the greatest single season in MLB history! The next thee greatest seasons are all by Babe Ruth: 1920 with 107.08 runs; 1923 with 104.13 runs and 1921 with 102.29 runs.
2. Jim Thome 67.89 runs
3. Brian Giles 52.56 runs
4. Jason Giambi 48.37
5. Sammy Sosa 47.66
6. Manny Ramirez 40.92 runs
7. Lance Berkman 39.45 runs
8. Alex Rodriguez 37.81 runs
9. Jim Edmonds 36.22 runs
10. Jeff Kent 35.57 runs
11. Ryan Klesko 34.56 runs
12. Derek Lowe 34.09 runs
13. Bobby Abreu 33.44 runs
14. Chipper Jones 31.36 runs
15. Roy Halladay 31.23 rruns
16. Carlos DelGado 30.68 runs
17. Larry Walker 30.36 runs
18. Randy Johnson 30.06 runs
19. Todd Helton 29.78 runs
20. Jeff Bagwell 29.74 runs
21. Albert Pujols 29.22 runs
22. Pedro Martinez 28.12 runs
   6. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: April 04, 2017 at 02:15 PM (#5428889)
2002 MMP final ballot (number in parentheses is WAR/rate-based salary estimator divided by $1M):

1. Barry Bonds, lf, SF (33.625)
2. Randy Johnson, sp, Ari (20.377) - MMPitcher
3. Alex Rodriguez, ss, Tex (18.322) - AL MMP
4. Curt Schilling, sp, Ari (15.685)
5. Jim Thome, 1b, Cle (14.781)
6. Pedro Martinez, sp, Bos (14.426) - AL MMPitcher
7. Roy Halladay, sp, Tor (13.291)
8. Jeff Kent, 2b, SF (13.064)
9. Jason Giambi, 1b, NYY (12.933)
10. Brian Giles, lf, Pit (12.883)
11. Jim Edmonds, cf, StL (12.823)
12. Derek Lowe, sp, Bos (12.584)
13. Nomar Garciaparra, ss, Bos (11.855)
14. Shawn Green, rf, LAD (11.582)
15. Vlad Guerrero, rf, Mon (11.300)

16-25. Andruw Jones, Roy Oswalt, Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, Sammy Sosa, Bartolo Colon, Scott Rolen, Miguel Tejada, Bobby Abreu, Albert Pujols.
   7. Qufini Posted: April 04, 2017 at 04:26 PM (#5428978)
2002 Ballot

1. Barry Bonds, LF, San Francisco Giants: lapping the field with a 268 OPS+
2. Alex Rodriguez, SS, Texas Rangers: top 4 OPS+ and RC from shortstop
3. Randy Johnson, P, Arizona Diamondbacks: almost as dominating from the pitcher's mound as Bonds was from the batter's box
4. Jim Thome, 1B, Cleveland Indians: a quietly excellent season, leading AL in OPS+ with 197
5. Jason Giambi, 1B/DH, New York Yankees
6. Pedro Martinez, P, Boston Red Sox: 202 ERA+ is best in the AL
7. Brian Giles, LF, Pittsburgh Pirates
8. Manny Ramirez, LF, Boston Red Sox: Manny Being Manny with a 184 OPS+
9. Vladimir Guerrero, RF, Montreal Expos
10. Derek Lowe, P, Boston Red Sox: 2nd in AL with 177 ERA+
11. Jeff Kent, 2B, San Francisco Giants
12. Todd Helton, 1B, Colorado Rockies
13. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: something tells me we'll see this name again
14. Nomar Garciaparra, SS, Boston Red Sox: great all-around play, 127 OPS+ and +16 fielding
15. Barry Zito, P, Oakland Athletics: 158 ERA+ in 229 IP

16. Curt Schilling, P, Arizona Diamondbacks
17. Jim Edmonds, CF, St. Louis Cardinals
18. Chipper Jones, LF, Atlanta Braves
19. Sammy Sosa, RF, Chicago Cubs
20. Tim Hudson, P, Oakland Athletics
   8. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: April 04, 2017 at 05:02 PM (#5428999)
Official 2002 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses):

1) Barry Bonds: Best ML player and left fielder by a country mile (once again)
2) Jim Thome: Best AL player and ML first baseman.
3) Alex Rodriguez: Best ML shortstop.
4) Brian Giles
5) Jim Edmonds: Best ML center fielder.
6) Jason Giambi
7) Randy Johnson: Best ML pitcher.
8) Jeff Kent: Best ML second baseman.
9) Manny Ramirez: Best ML left fielder/DH not named Jason Giambi.
10) Shawn Green: Best ML right fielder
11) Vladimir Guerrero
12) Albert Pujols
13) Derek Lowe: Best AL pitcher.
14) Sammy Sosa
15) Pedro Martinez
   9. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: April 05, 2017 at 08:52 AM (#5429249)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
1. Bonds--no surprise here
2. Randy Johnson--as stated by Moeball, an unbelievable run of dominance. His peak is actually underrated
3. A Rod--best AL player
4. Thome--career year- he was his generation’s Killebrew, only better
5. Giambi--ah yes the schorn, clean shaven $ellout & former leader of the wild, young Moneyball A's. I didn't penalize him for taking the money & who can really blame him but I'd say Giambi & "Caveman" Damon were the two Yankee free agents that just seemed like they fit perfectly with the teams they left to sign with NY.
6. Kent
7. Vlad Guerrero
8. Schilling--I remember at one point during the season, there was talk of him approaching 30 wins
9. Shawn Green
10.Zito--5 more starts & more innings helps propel over Pedro
11.Pedro Martinez--close to Zito
12.Halladay--first great season
14.Oswalt--last of a tight group of 5 pitchers from 10-14, underrated & had HOF level peak, just fell apart after 2010
15.Chipper Jones--101 win Braves only representative in my top 15, great OBP helped edge over Giles (who had slightly better OBP) for last spot

Honorable mention
Giles--insane OBP & great season for terrible Pittsburgh team, one of few bright spots in 1993-2012 losing streak, not penalized for winning the Chuck Knoblauch POS human being award later on but fielding did cost spot in top 15
Tejeda--the stone handed MVP shortstop almost made it, great season, helped proved the A's didn't need Giambi
Manny Ramirez--would have made it with a full season
Sosa--49 HRs
Pujols--butchering 3B dropped him some but a very good season
Nomah--sadly his HOF level peak is about to come to an end
Tim Hudson--relief cost him several wins that season, would like to see him get some HOF votes down the road
   10. EricC Posted: April 05, 2017 at 09:35 AM (#5429264)
2002 MMP ballot. A win-shares-heavy blend of WS and WAR, but
with a balance of pitchers closer to the WAR system than to WS.

1. Barry Bonds
2. Randy Johnson
3. Jim Thome
4. Alex Rodriguez
5. Jason Giambi
6. Derek Lowe
7. Curt Schilling
8. Jeff Kent
9. Pedro Martinez
10. Barry Zito
11. Brian Giles
12. Jim Edmonds
13. Roy Halladay
14. Manny Ramirez
15. Tim Hudson
   11. DL from MN Posted: April 05, 2017 at 10:45 AM (#5429313)
Voted recently but not yet this year: Mr C, OCF, toratoratora
   12. MrC. Posted: April 05, 2017 at 12:57 PM (#5429455)
2002 Final Ballot

1. Barry Bonds 11.27 WARR adj+
2. Randy Johnson 9.53 WARR
3. Alex Rodriguez 8.04 WARR
4. Jason Giambi 7.46 WARR adj+
5. Shawn Green 7.17 WARR
6. Curt Schilling 7.05 WARR adj+
7. Derek Lowe 6.93 WARR
8.Brian Giles 6.89 WARR
9. Todd Helton 6.80 WARR
10. Nomar Garciaparra 6.78 WARR
11. Barry Zito 6.58 WARR
12. Manny Ramirez 6.49 WARR
13 Miguel Tejada 6.44 WARR
14. Darin Erstad 6.38 WARRadj+
15. Jim Edmonds 6.35 WARRadj+

Rest of the top 20
Roy Oswalt
Roy Holladay
Tim Hudson
Pedro Martinez
Larry Walker
   13. DL from MN Posted: April 05, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5429623)
Ballot is closed

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