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Wednesday, June 28, 2017

Most Meritorious Player: 2005 Ballot

For 2005 each voter should rank the top 15 players from all leagues combined.

Balloting is scheduled to close at 4pm EDT on 5 July 2017.

Anyone can vote, even if you do not normally participate in Hall of Merit discussions. If you have never participated in an MMP election, just post a preliminary ballot in the discussion thread by 4 July 2017.

For detailed rules see one of our previous ballots.

DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bjhanke Posted: June 28, 2017 at 05:16 PM (#5484873)
Well, here's Brock Hanke;s ballot for 2005. What looked like it might develop into better consensus between Win Shares and WAR just broke down, for whatever reason. The worst is Derek Jeter. Win Shares has him as the #7 player in the game; WAR has him at #69. That's the worst, but there are others, and they are not just WAR overrating pitchers. It's all over the position players, too. Anyway, dong the best I could with this disconnect, I have the following ballot:

1. ARod
2. Albert Pujols
3. Derek Lee
4. Mark Teixeira
5. Brian Roberts
6. Chase Utley
7. Andruw Jones
8. Jason Bay
9. Morgan Ensberg
10. Vlad Guerrerro
11. David Ortiz
12. Rafael Furcal
13. Roger Clemens
14. Dontrelle Willis
15. Miguel Tejada
   2. DL from MN Posted: June 28, 2017 at 06:07 PM (#5484915)

2005 Ballot
1) Roger Clemens - lousy postseason but you could say the same about the next guy on the list also
2) Alex Rodriguez - top position player, best hitter
3) Dontrelle Willis
4) Albert Pujols - postseason bonus
5) Chase Utley - great fielding
6) Andy Pettitte - strong rotation in Houston, deep rotation for the White Sox
7) Johan Santana
8) Derrek Lee - 2nd best bat
9) Andruw Jones - good postseason
10) Roy Oswalt - strong year for pitchers or weak for batters?
11) Brian Giles
12) Jake Peavy
13) Morgan Ensberg
14) Carlos Zambrano
15) Brian Roberts

16-20) Pedro Martinez, Jim Edmonds, Roy Halladay, Mark Teixeira, Jason Bay
21-25) John Smoltz, Victor Martinez, Chris Carpenter, Miguel Cabrera, Vlad Guerrero
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 29, 2017 at 09:14 AM (#5485112)
Official 2005 MMP Ballot (no postseason bonuses):

1) Alex Rodriguez: Best ML player and third baseman.
2) Albert Pujols: Best NL player and ML first baseman - not that far off from being the best ML player himself.
3) Derrek Lee: Best Derrek with two r's in his name.
4) Jason Bay: Best ML left fielder.
5) Roger Clemens: Best ML pitcher.
6) Mark Teixeira: Best AL first baseman.
7 David Wright: Best NL third baseman.
8) Brian Roberts: Best ML second baseman.
9) Vladimir Guerrero: Best ML right fielder.
10) Chase Utley: Best NL second baseman.
11) David Ortiz: Best ML DH.
12) Brian Giles: Best NL right fielder.
13) Derek Jeter: Best ML shortstop.
14) Morgan Ensberg: All's well that Ensberg.
15) Andy Pettite: Best AL pitcher.
   4. DL from MN Posted: June 29, 2017 at 10:51 AM (#5485166)
Andy Pettite: Best AL pitcher.

The Astros were in the NL that season and Pettitte was an Astro.
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 29, 2017 at 07:15 PM (#5485671)
The Astros were in the NL that season and Pettitte was an Astro.

Yep. My mind was still on Yankee time, I guess. :-) Replace him with Johann Santana at #15 please, Dan.
   6. ThickieDon Posted: June 30, 2017 at 10:31 AM (#5485922)
1. A-Rod
2. Albert Pujols
3. Derrek Lee
4. Andruw Jones
5. Brian Roberts
6. Chase Utley
7. Johan Santana
8. Mark Teixeira
9. Jason Bay
10. Grady Sizemore
11. Morgan Ensberg
12. Brian Giles
13. Travis Hafner
14. David Wright
15. Dontrelle Willis
   7. Qufini Posted: July 02, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5486889)
2005 Ballot

1. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: dominates the junior circuit with 173 OPS+ and 163 RC
2. Roger Clemens, P, Houston Astros: doesn't crack the top ten in IP but 226 ERA+ leads the league by almost 50 points
3. Derrek Lee, 1B, Chicago Cubs: 1st in NL in OPS+ and RC, with +5 fielding
4. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: 2nd in NL in OPS+ and RC with +13 fielding
5. David Ortiz, DH, Boston Red Sox: 4th in OPS+ and 2nd in RC
6. Johan Santana, P, Minnesota Twins: 155 ERA+ is 1st in AL; 231 IP is 2nd
7. Brian Roberts, 2B, Baltimore Orioles: cracks the top ten in OPS+ while adding +15 defense from the keystone
8. Andy Pettite, P, Houston Astros
9. Mark Buehrle, P, Chicago White Sox: leads the AL in IP with 236; 3rd in ERA+ with 144
10. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Texas Rangers: great combo of O (144 OPS+) and D (+13 fielding)
11. Chris Carpenter, P, St. Louis Cardinals
12. Dontrelle Willis, P, Florida Marlins: good year for pitching in the senior circuit; these two are 3rd and 4th in ERA+ with over 235 IP
13. Travis Hafner, DH, Cleveland Indians: 2nd in AL in OPS+ with 168
14. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: the underrated superstar career kicks off with a 132 OPS+ and +23 fielding
15. Roy Oswalt, P, Houston Astros: an incredible rotation in Houston; Oswalt is sixth in the league in ERA+ but only third on his team

16. Victor Martinez, C, Cleveland Indians: 130 OPS+ and catcher bonus boosts V-Mart
17. Vladimir Guerrero, RF, Los Angeles Angels: 154 OPS+ and +8 fielding
18. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: 185 ERA+ in an injury shortened season
19. Morgan Ensberg, 3B, Houston Astros: a career year thanks to a 144 OPS+ and +14 fielding
20. Kevin Millwood, P, Cleveland Indians: low on IP (192) but 2nd in Al with 147 ERA+
   8. MrC. Posted: July 03, 2017 at 10:58 PM (#5487428)
2005 Ballot

WAR framework with fewer replacement runs than normal. Pitcher batting and post season adjustment (adj+ or adj-)

1. Alex Rodriguez 8.89 WARR adj -
2. Albert pujols 8.63 WARR adj +
3. Dontrelle Willis 8.52 WARR
4. Roger Clemena 8.19 WARR adj-
5. Derek Lee 7.73 WARR
6. Johan Santana 7.46 WARR
7. Pedro Martinez 7.07 WARR
8. David Wright 7.05 WARR
9. Jason Bay 6.88 WARR
10. David Ortiz 6.84 WARR
11. Andy Petittie 6.74 WARR
12. Travis Hafner 6.61 WARR
13.Jim Edmonds 6.43 WARR adj +
14. Mark Texiera 6.26 WARR
15. Todd Helton6.02 WARR

Rest of the top 20
John Smoltz
Chris carpenter
Vladimir Guerrero
Roy Halladay
Roy Oswalt adj +

   9. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: July 04, 2017 at 01:32 PM (#5487551)
2005 MMP ballot:

1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Albert Pujols - NL MMP
3. Derrek Lee
4. Brian Roberts
5. Dontrelle Willis - MMPItcher
6.. Roger Clemens
7. Johan Santana - AL MMPitcher
8. Chase Utley
9. Andruw Jones
10. Jason Bay
11. Mark Teixeira
12. Victor Martinez
13. Travis Hafner
14. Morgan Ensberg
15. Pedro Martinez

16-25. David Ortiz, Vladimir Guerrero, Miguel Tejada, Johnny Peralta, Andy Pettitte, David Wright, Roy Halladay, Rafael Furcal, Jim Edmonds, Brian Giles.
   10. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: July 04, 2017 at 02:23 PM (#5487575)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender
Interesting year--weaker pitching performances in AL, much stronger in NL.

1. A Rod--clear cut #1 for me
2. Pujols--easy #2. With Bonds' injury, Pujols and A Rod are the two best players in the game
3. Lee--kind out of nowhere career year
4. Utley--edges out Tex for #4
5. Teixeira
6. Willis--barely beats Carpenter for top pitcher, could go either way honestly but bat sees to it that he is ahead
7. Carpenter
8. Andruw Jones--lower BA/OBP keep him from challenging for top 3
9. Clemens--less innings & not completing games hurt standing as well as win total
11.Ensberg--anchored weak Houston offense, along with World Series rival at 3B Joe Crede, just kinda vanished
12.Santana--top AL pitcher in a weak year for Junior circuit hurlers
15.Oswalt--three Astros pitchers make top 15

Honorable mention or close:
Vlad, Hafner, Miggy, Bay, Manny, Pedro
   11. DL from MN Posted: July 05, 2017 at 11:17 AM (#5487892)
No ballot yet from caiman, EricC, moeball, OCF, toratoratora
   12. EricC Posted: July 05, 2017 at 03:10 PM (#5488058)
2005 MMP ballot.

1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Roger Clemens
3. Albert Pujols
4. Mark Teixiera
5. Derrek Lee
6. Brian Roberts
7. Dontrelle Willis
8. Andy Pettitte
9. David Ortiz
10. Johan Santana
11. Chase Utley
12. Manny Ramirez
13. Vladimir Guerrero
14. Victor Martinez
15. Miguel Tejada
   13. DL from MN Posted: July 05, 2017 at 04:39 PM (#5488142)
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