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Most Meritorious Player: 2008 Discussion

The Phillies beat the Rays in the World Series. Vote for 15.

Player Name		SH WS		rWAR
Albert Pujols		34.5		7.3
Chase Utley		31.5		6.9
Chipper Jones		26.2		7.3
Mark Teixeira		30.5		7.8
Nick Markakis		23.8		7.4
Carlos Beltran		29.2		6.9
Hanley Ramirez		33.8		6.7
Dustin Pedroia		27.3		6.9
Joe Mauer		30.6		5.6
Brian McCann		20.3		5.5
David Wright		30.6		6.8
Alex Rodriguez		27.3		6.8
Lance Berkman		35.2		6.8
Kevin Youkilis		23.8		6.3
Grady Sizemore		28.7		5.9
Alex Rios		20.4		5.9
Matt Holliday		22.6		5.8
Adrian Beltre		16.1		5.6
Manny Ramirez		28.8		5.9
Ryan Ludwick		25.8		5.5
Josh Hamilton		25.9		5.4
Jimmy Rollins		21.9		5.4
Ichiro Suzuki		19.5		5.3
Carlos Quentin		22.8		5.3
Brian Roberts		21.8		5.2
Milton Bradley		21.4		5.2
Carlos Pena		21.4		5.1
Evan Longoria		21.2		4.8
Jose Reyes		28.6		4.8
Brian Giles		20.9		4.8
JJ Hardy		22.1		4.7
Mike Aviles		17.4		4.7
Ian Kinsler		22.3		4.7
Cristian Guzman		19.1		4.6
Ryan Braun		23.9		4.5
Marco Scutaro		13.4		4.4
Jason Bay		25.2		4.4
Dan Uggla		23.8		4.4
Troy Glaus		21.7		4.4
Placido Polanco		15.7		4.4
Shane Victorino		20.3		4.4
Denard Span		14.9		4.3
Justin Morneau		25.6		4.2
Johnny Damon		20.3		4.1
Aubrey Huff		21.6		4.1
Mark Ellis		12.7		4.0
Randy Winn		20.9		4.0
Russell Martin		18.0		3.9
Geovany Soto		22.5		3.3
Jhonny Peralta		20.5		3.6
Torii Hunter		23.8		3.5

Pitcher Name
Tim Lincecum		25.1		7.9
CC Sabathia		23.8		7.2
Johan Santana		21.1		7.1
Ryan Dempster		18.4		7.0
Cliff Lee		23.5		6.8
Dan Haren		19.0		6.6
John Danks		17.0		6.4
Roy Halladay		23.1		6.2
Jon Lester		17.7		6.0
Rich Harden		16.1		6.0
Carlos Zambrano		14.8		5.7
Brandon Webb		20.8		5.8
Zack Greinke		15.5		5.4
Daisuke Matsuzaka	16.2		5.3
Mike Mussina		17.0		5.2
Gil Meche		14.2		5.1
Ervin Santana		18.5		5.0
Cole Hamels		17.9		4.7
Joe Saunders		17.3		4.6
Matt Cain		14.6		4.6
Edinson Volquez		16.4		4.6
Aaron Cook		14.7		4.5
Scott Baker		13.2		4.5
Chad Billingsley	16.7		4.5
Derek Lowe		16.1		4.5
Jake Peavy		12.5		4.5
Mark Buehrle		15.6		4.5
Felix Hernandez		13.4		4.3
Armando Galarraga	12.8		4.2
Roy Oswalt		15.5		4.1
Ted Lilly		13.2		4.1
James Shields		14.9		4.1

Mariano Rivera		19.4		4.3
Joakim Soria		16.7		3.7
Joe Nathan		15.7		3.3

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1. DL from MN Posted: September 08, 2017 at 02:42 PM (#5528692)

2008 Prelim

1) Chase Utley - very close at the top two slots
2) Albert Pujols - best bat
3) Tim Lincecum
4) Johan Santana
5) CC Sabathia - better bat than Santana but Johan pitched better
6) Ryan Dempster
7) Cliff Lee - hasn't been this pitcher heavy for a while
8) Chipper Jones
9) Mark Teixeira - best AL position player, 2nd best bat
10) John Danks
11) Dan Haren
12) Roy Halladay
13) Nick Markakis
14) Brian McCann
15) Dustin Pedroia

16-20) Joe Mauer, David Wright, Jon Lester, Rich Harden, Alex Rodriguez

2. ThickieDon Posted: September 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM (#5530106)

1. Albert Pujols - best offensive contribution by far
2. Chase Utley - great overall, solid post-season
3. Chipper Jones - .364/.470/.574
4. Mark Teixeira
5. Lance Berkman
6. Hanley Ramirez
7. Carlos Beltran
8. Manny Ramirez
9. David Wright
10. Tim Lincecum
11. Alex Rodriguez - great offensive marred by struggles at 3B
12. CC Sabathia
13. Grady Sizemore
14. Nick Markakis
15. Dustin Pedroia

Other mentions:
- Cole Hamels - solid season + post-season bump
- Kevin Youkilis, Ryan Ludwick, Milton Bradley, Carlos Quention, Matt Holliday - great offensive numbers, just missed top 15
- Shin-Soo Choo - amazing offensive season; only 400 PAs
- Joe Mauer
- Jason Bay
- Johan Santana

3. MrC. Posted: September 12, 2017 at 02:19 PM (#5530222)

DL

A question!

Would Teixeira qualify as an AL player when only 224 of his plate appearances were in the AL?

4. DL from MN Posted: September 13, 2017 at 11:52 AM (#5530787)

Good point, doesn't matter for the rankings though

5. MrC. Posted: September 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM (#5530832)

2008 prelim

1. Manny Ramirez 7.84 WARR Solid 100 games in the AL (.926 OPS), an uptick in 53 games in the NL (1.232 OPS) and then a monster post season. Post season adjustment jumped him into the top position.
2. Albert Pujols 7.46 WARR What is fast becoming a standard Pujols season
3. Tim Lincecum 7.35 WARR
4. Cole Hamels 6.98 WARR Well above average regular season, followed by a monster post season. Post season adjustment advances him several positions.
5. Cliff Lee 6.82 WARR best AL pitcher by quite a bit
6. CC Sabathia 6.73 WARR Solid season in AL (2.13 WARR in 18 games) but really turned it in when trade to NL (4.60 WARR in 17 games)
7. Johan Santana 6.64 WARR
8. Joe Mauer 6.63 WARR Best of a not very good crop of AL hitters in 2008.
9. Mark Teixeira 6.59 WARR Another player who picked it up a notch when trade to a different league. 2.89 WARR in 103 games in NL and 3.70 WARR in 54 games in the AL. Interesting that three players in the top 15 split their playing time between the two leagues.
10. Lance Berkman 6.55 WARR
11. Chase Utley 6.19 WARR includes post season adjustment
12. Ryan Ludwick 6.14 WARR
13. David Wright 6.12 WARR
14. Hanley Ramirez 6.11 WARR
15. Alex Rodriguez 5.92 WARR

Rest of the top 20
16. Chipper Jones
17. Roy Halladay
18. Matt Holliday
19. Dan Haren
20. Carlos Beltran

6. Qufini Posted: September 14, 2017 at 07:56 PM (#5532016)

2008 Prelim

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, St. Louis Cardinals: easy number one; leads NL in OPS+ and RC while providing +18 defense
2. Chipper Jones, 3B, Atlanta Braves: 2nd in NL OPS+ and +10 fielding from the old guy
3. Chase Utley, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies: top ten in both OPS+ and RC with an amazing +31 fielding
4. Johan Santana, P, New York Mets: reclaims the mantle as the best pitcher in baseball
5. Tim Lincecum, P, San Francisco Giants: Timmy!
6. Cliff Lee, P, Cleveland Indians: leads the AL with a 167 ERA+
7. Roy Halladay, P, Toronto Blue Jays: great year for pitchers
8. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Boston Red Sox: best position player in the AL
9. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Florida Marlins: a big bat (143 OPS+) while holding his own with the glove (-3 fielding)
10. Mariano Rivera, RP, New York Yankees: 2nd in WPA thanks to a 316 ERA+ in 70 IP
11. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, New York Yankees: 2nd in AL OPS+ with 150
12. Lance Berkman, 1B, Houston Astros: 3rd in NL OPS+ with 160
13. Nick Markakis, RF, Baltimore Orioles: +22 fielding and 136 OPS+
14. Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B, Boston Red Sox
15. David Wright, 3B, New York Mets

16. Joe Mauer, C, Minnesota Twins
17. Grady Sizemore, CF, Cleveland Indians
18. Cole Hamels, P, Philadelphia Phillies
19. Brandon Webb, P, Arizona Diamondbacks
20. Milton Bradley, DH, Texas Rangers

7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 19, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5534606)

Prelim:

1) Albert Pujols 1B
2) Hanley Ramirez SS
3) Joe Mauer C
4) Chipper Jones 3B
5) Chase Utley 2B
6) Lance Berkman 1B
7) Mark Teixeira 1B
8) Cliff Lee SP
9) David Wright 3B
10) Tim Lincecum SP
11) Manny Ramirez LF
12) Carlos Beltran CF
13) Alex Rodriguez 3B
14) Roy Halliday SP
15) CC Sabathia SP

8. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 01:03 PM (#5540159)

ALDS Red Sox 3 Angels 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jason Bay 4 17 3 7 2 0 2 5 2 4 .412 .474 .882 1.356 0 0 0 
Dustin Pedroia 4 17 0 1 1 0 0 1 2 2 .059 .200 .118 .318 0 0 0 
Kevin Youkilis 4 18 2 4 1 0 0 1 2 3 .222 .300 .278 .578 0 0 0

Mark Teixeira 4 15 4 7 0 0 0 1 4 3 .467 .550 .467 1.017 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Jon Lester 2 2 0.00 1 0 0 0 14.0 10 1 0 3 11 0.929
Daisuke Matsuzaka 1 1 5.40 0 0 0 0 5.0 8 3 3 3 5 2.200

Ervin Santana 1 1 8.44 0 0 0 0 5.1 8 5 5 0 3 1.500

9. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 01:11 PM (#5540177)

ALDS Rays 3 White Sox 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Evan Longoria 4 15 2 4 0 0 2 3 2 6 .267 .353 .667 1.020 1 0 0
Carlos Pena 3 10 0 5 0 0 0 2 1 4 .500 .545 .500 1.045 2 1 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
James Shields 1 1 4.26 1 0 0 0 6.1 6 3 3 1 4 1.105

Mark Buehrle 1 1 6.43 0 1 0 0 7.0 10 5 5 0 3 1.429
John Danks 1 1 4.05 1 0 0 0 6.2 7 3 3 3 7 1.500

10. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5540235)

NLDS Dodgers 3 Cubs 0

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Russell Martin 3 13 2 4 3 0 1 5 1 3 .308 .357 .769 1.126 0 0 0
Manny Ramirez 3 10 5 5 0 0 2 3 4 3 .500 .643 1.100 1.743 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Chad Billingsley 1 1 1.35 1 0 0 0 6.2 5 1 1 1 7 0.900
Derek Lowe 1 1 3.00 1 0 0 0 6.0 7 2 2 1 6 1.333

Ryan Dempster 1 1 7.71 0 1 0 0 4.2 4 4 4 7 2 2.357
Rich Harden 1 1 6.23 0 1 0 0 4.1 5 3 3 3 4 1.846
Carlos Zambrano 1 1 4.26 0 1 0 0 6.1 6 7 3 2 7 1.263

11. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5540265)

NLDS Phillies 3 Brewers 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jimmy Rollins 4 16 2 6 2 0 1 1 1 2 .375 .412 .688 1.099 1 1 1
Chase Utley 4 15 1 2 1 0 0 2 2 4 .133 .235 .200 .435 0 0 1
Shane Victorino 4 14 2 5 3 0 1 5 3 0 .357 .471 .786 1.256 3 0 0

Ryan Braun 4 16 0 5 2 0 0 2 0 4 .313 .294 .438 .732 0 0 0
J.J. Hardy 4 14 2 6 1 0 0 2 2 0 .429 .500 .500 1.000 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Cole Hamels 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 8.0 2 0 0 1 9 0.375

CC Sabathia 1 1 12.27 0 1 0 0 3.2 6 5 5 4 5 2.727

12. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5540281)

ALCS Rays 4 Red Sox 3

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Evan Longoria 7 27 8 7 3 0 4 8 3 5 .259 .333 .815 1.148 0 0 3
Carlos Pena 7 26 8 7 1 0 3 6 6 7 .269 .406 .654 1.060 1 0 0

Jason Bay 7 24 3 7 1 0 1 4 7 8 .292 .469 .458 .927 0 0 0
Dustin Pedroia 7 26 9 9 1 0 3 5 5 3 .346 .469 .731 1.200 2 1 
Kevin Youkilis 7 30 4 10 3 0 2 6 2 4 .333 .375 .633 1.008 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP  
James Shields 2 2 3.46 0 2 0 0 13.0 15 6 5 5 9 1.538

Jon Lester 2 2 4.97 0 2 0 0 12.2 14 8 7 2 15 1.263
Daisuke Matsuzaka 2 2 4.09 1 0 0 0 11.0 9 5 5 6 11 1.364

13. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:39 PM (#5540286)

NLCS Phillies 4 Dodgers 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E
Jimmy Rollins 5 21 4 3 0 0 1 1 2 8 .143 .217 .286 .503 2 0 0
Chase Utley 5 17 4 6 2 0 1 3 6 5 .353 .522 .647 1.169 0 1 0
Shane Victorino 5 18 2 4 0 1 1 6 2 1 .222 .300 .500 .800 0 0 0

Russell Martin 5 17 3 2 0 0 0 1 3 7 .118 .318 .118 .436 1 0 0
Manny Ramirez 5 15 4 8 2 0 2 7 7 1 .533 .682 1.067 1.748 0 0 0

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Cole Hamels 2 2 1.93 2 0 0 0 14.0 11 3 3 5 13 1.143

Chad Billingsley 2 2 18.00 0 2 0 0 5.0 12 11 10 7 9 3.800
Derek Lowe 2 2 3.48 0 1 0 0 10.1 12 5 4 2 6 1.355

14. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5540291)

World Series Phillies 4 Rays 1

Player Name  G  AB  R  H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS  SB  CS  E  
Jimmy Rollins 5 22 4 5 2 0 0 0 1 3 .227 .261 .318 .579 0 1 1
Chase Utley 5 18 5 3 0 0 2 4 5 5 .167 .375 .500 .875 3 0 0
Shane Victorino 5 20 1 5 0 0 0 2 1 3 .250 .286 .250 .536 0 0 0

Evan Longoria 5 20 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 9 .050 .050 .050 .100 0 0 1
Carlos Pena 5 17 1 2 1 0 0 2 3 6 .118 .250 .176 .426 0 1 1

Pitcher Name  G  GS  ERA  W  L  SV  CG  IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  WHIP
Cole Hamels 2 2 2.77 1 0 0 0 13.0 10 4 4 3 8 1.000

James Shields 1 1 0.00 1 0 0 0 5.2 7 0 0 2 4 1.588

15. DL from MN Posted: September 27, 2017 at 02:56 PM (#5540303)

I found some mistakes in the prelim (pitching mainly) and will have a revamped ballot.

16. Qufini Posted: September 27, 2017 at 09:02 PM (#5540575)

I neglected to include Manny Ramirez and Mark Teixeira in my prelim so they'll be added before I post my final ballot.

17. DL from MN Posted: October 03, 2017 at 02:27 PM (#5543546)

Something to consider. The AL was 149-103 versus the NL this season. Manny Ramirez and CC Sabathia switched from the AL to the NL and absolutely dominated and yet the AL-only players are not doing well on this year's ballot.

Does anyone have league strength adjustments for 2008?

18. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: October 04, 2017 at 02:36 AM (#5544126)

For some reason it won't let me post in the ballot thread, DL please move this into main thread for me if possible (nevermind, was able to post in main thread)
Final ballot-no postseason credit but some small credit for playing for a Division-contender:

1. Pujols--best player in the game
2. Utley--top two then a gap to #3
3. Teixeira--having great year split across two leagues makes you forget how excellent it was
4. Beltran--all around great player
5. Lincecum--top pitcher & a ton of strikeouts
6. Cliff Lee
7. Chipper Jones--would be top 3 if not for missed games
8. Markakis--great start to career but by this point he peaked
9. Wright--finding out how easy to forget how good he was
10.Sabathia--like Tex, great year split across leagues but CC was particularly good in NL & helped Brewers make postseason
11.Halladay--along with CC, complete game workhorses
12.Manny Ramirez--see Tex & CC, amazing after trade
13.Pedroia
14.A Rod
15.Berkman

Just missed--Mauer & McCann

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