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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Thursday, October 07, 2021Most Meritorious Player: 2021 DiscussionVote for 15. Player bWAR Carlos Correa 7.2 Marcus Semien 7.1 Juan Soto 7.0 Vladimir Guerrero Jr 6.8 Jose Ramirez 6.7 Fernando Tatis Jr 6.6 Trea Turner 6.5 Tyler O'Neill 6.3 Paul Goldschmidt 6.2 Austin Riley 6.1 Brandon Crawford 6.1 Bo Bichette 6.0 Bryan Reynolds 6.0 Aaron Judge 5.9 Bryce Harper 5.9 Matt Olson 5.8 Kyle Tucker 5.7 Cedric Mullins 5.7 Salvador Perez 5.3 Manny Machado 5.1 Max Muncy 4.9 Shohei Otani 4.9* Xander Bogaerts 4.9 Enrique Hernandez 4.9 Jake Cronenworth 4.8 Jorge Polanco 4.8 Brandon Lowe 4.8 Starling Marte 4.7 Freddie Freeman 4.7 Joey Gallo 4.6 Tim Anderson 4.6 Javier Baez 4.5 Byron Buxton 4.5 Jose Altuve 4.4 Pete Alonso 4.3 Nicky Lopez 4.2 Ty France 4.2 Trevor Story 4.2 Randy Arozarena 4.2 Willy Adames 4.2 Nolan Arenado 4.2 Mookie Betts 4.2 Willson Contreras 4.1 Yoan Moncada 4.0 Isaiah Kiner-Falefa 4.0 Adam Frazier 4.0 Teoscar Hernandez 4.0 Pitcher bWAR Zack Wheeler 7.6 Walker Buehler 6.7 Robbie Ray 6.7 Max Scherzer 6.0 Wade Miley 5.7 Gerrit Cole 5.6 Ranger Suarez 5.6 Brandon Woodruff 5.6 Corbin Burnes 5.6 Lance Lynn 5.4 Tyler Mahle 5.3 Kevin Gausman 5.2 Carlos Rodon 5.1 Luis Castillo 4.7 Max Fried 4.7 Nathan Eovaldi 4.6 Julio Urias 4.4 Jacob deGrom 4.4 Lucas Giolito 4.2 Charlie Morton 4.2 Sandy Alcantara 4.1 Shohei Otani 4.1* Anthony DeSclafini 4.1 Chris Bassitt 4.0 Freddy Peralta 3.9 Josh Hader 3.3 Jonathan Loaisiga 3.3 Andrew Chafin 2.9 Scott Barlow 2.9 Garrett Whitlock 2.9 Raisel Iglesias 2.8
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1. DL from MN Posted: October 07, 2021 at 01:25 PM (#6044489)sigh
1) Shohei Otani - combined value puts him comfortably at #1
2) Zach Wheeler - best pitcher
3) Carlos Correa - excellent fielder
4) Marcus Semien
5) Fernando Tatis Jr
6) Robbie Ray
7) Walker Buehler
8) Juan Soto
9) Trea Turner
10) Jose Ramirez - he is an overlooked star
11) Brandon Crawford
12) Vladimir Guerrero Jr
13) Max Scherzer
14) Bo Bichette
15) Tyler O'Neill
16-20) Austin Riley, Bryan Reynolds, Wade Miley, Ranger Suarez, Gerrit Cole
1) Shohei Ohtani - agreed that the combined value is too persuasive
2) Zack Wheeler - Zack with a k :) is the best pitcher this year, agreed
3) Marcus Semien
4) Juan Soto
5) Vlad Guerrero, Jr.
6) Walker Buehler
7) Carlos Correa
8) Max Scherzer
9) Robbie Ray
10) Jose Ramirez
11) Fernando Tatis Jr.
12) Trea Turner
13) Corbin Burnes
14) Bryce Harper
15) Gerrit Cole
16-20) Brandon Crawford, Kevin Gausman, Tyler O'Neill, Bo Bichette, Brandon Woodruff
1939 Bucky Walters
1944 Dizzy Trout
1950 Phil Rizzuto
1953 Al Rosen
1978 Ron Guidry
1979 Fred Lynn
1985 Dwight Gooden
1988 Jose Canseco
2006, 2008, 2009 Albert Pujols
2010 Josh Hamilton
2011 Jose Bautista
2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 Mike Trout
2015 Bryce Harper
2017 Jose Altuve
2018 Mookie Betts
2019 Alex Bregman
2020 Freddie Freeman
My take on the position player All Stars
NL. First team Second team
C Willson Conteras Buster Posey
1B Paul Goldschmidt Max Muncy
2B Jake Cronenworth Ozzie Albies
3B Austin Riley Nolan Arenado
SS Fernando Tatis Jr Trea Turner
OF 1 to 3 in order 4 to 6 in order
Juan Soto Bryan Reynolds
Bryce Harper Mookie Betts
Tyler O'Neill Brandon Nimmo
AL
C Salvador Perez. Mke Zunino
!B Vlad Guerrero Jr Matt Olson
2B Marcus Semien Brandon Lowe
3B Jose Ramirez Jeimer Candelario
SS Carlos Correa Bo Bichette
OF 1 to 3 in order 4 to 6 in order
Aaron Judge Joey Gallo
Cedric Mullins Byron Buxton
Kyle Tucker Enrique Hernandez
DH Shohei Ohtani. Yordan Alvarez
Never have had any luck with formattingon this site
NL
Starters
Zack Wheeler
Walker Buehler
Wade Miley
Max Fried
Luis Castillo
Swingman
Ranger Suarez
Relievers
Josh Hader
Craig Kimbrel (NL only)
Blake Treinen
AL
Starters
Robbie Ray
Gerritt Cole
Nathan Eovaldi
Lance Lynn
Carlos Rondon
Swingman
Cal Quantrill
Relievers
Jonathan Loaisiga
Garrett Whitlock
Liam Hendriks
1. Shohei Ohtani 9.92 WARR
2. Juan Soto 8.02 WARR
3. Carlos Correa 7.23 WARR
4. Zack Wheeler 7.11. WARR
5. Vladimir Guerrero Jr 6.67 WARR
6. Bryce Harper 6.64 WARR
7. Paul Goldschmidt 6.51 WARR
8. Fernando Tatis Jr 6.46 WARR
9. Aaron Judge 6.42 WARR
10. Walker Buehler 6.36 WARR
11. Jose Ramirez 6.28 WARR
12. Robbie Ray 6.21 WARR
13. Marcus Semien 5.91 WARR
14. Trea Turner 5.81 WARR
15. Matt Olson 5.81 WARR
Rest of top 20
16. Brandon Lowe
17. Wade Miley
18. Ranger Suarez
19. Austin Riley
20. Gerritt Cole
Neither Hamilton (funny stuff) nor Bautista will make the Hall of Merit, though the other post-2010 winners are all on track. And I'm surprised that Bautista won the 2011 award over Justin Verlander, who's a lock for induction.
Also, Ardo says Walters and Rizzuto are still viable candidates. I say Guidry, Lynn, and Gooden are the viable candidates (and possibly Rizzuto). Which just leaves Rosen and Canseco as the only guys who really don't have a case. And Brock still votes for Rosen, at that.
Runners-up in the other years
1939 Joe DiMaggio
1944 Stan Musial
1950 Yogi Berra
1953 Robin Roberts
1978 Jim Rice (you have to go to 4th place with Niekro to find a HoM player, only 5 of the top 15 are HoM)
1979 Darrell Porter (George Brett #3)
1985 Rickey Henderson
1988 Wade Boggs
2010 Robinson Cano
2011 Matt Kemp (5th place Roy Halladay, only 6 of top 18 are likely HoM)
So it's a competition between 1978 and 2011 for the worst seasons for baseball stars
1) Shohei Ohtani - Had a season that we could have only dreamed of when he first came over from Japan. Hit 46 dingers, had a 3.18 ERA, with a 100 mph fastball and a 119 mph exit velocity. Could have been an all star as a hitter or a pitcher.
2) Juan Soto - I can't look past the .465 OBP. Mike Trout better be looking over his shoulder. This young dude is outstanding.
3) Zack Wheeler - The best pitcher in either league for the full course of the season, and actually pitched over 200 innings.
4) Vladito - Even using old timey numbers the quality of his season is obvious. 48 HR, 111 RBI, .293 Avg is MVP candidate quality in any season.
5) Trea Turner - I cannot believe the Nats traded him away midseason. He's not the best defensive shortstop in baseball, but this is a better year than anyone else had and he did it despite being shunted to a position he hadn't played since 2016.
6) Marcus Semien - Did you know that Davey Johnson once hit 43 dingers in a single season? One of the things I learned when looking up where Semien's 45 ranked for all time 2B seasons, he took Davey's record.
7) Corbin Burnes - Fangraphs WAR has him a tick over Wheeler, and a 1.63 FIP is extremely cool and good. I just can't see only pitching 167 innings as being enough to get him above Wheeler or the hitters above him.
8) Jose Ramirez - I wonder who he'll be traded for since he only has one year left on his contract?
9) Bryce Harper - Oh, there's the player who we all thought was going to be battling Mike Trout into the history books. And he's still only 28!
10) Fernando Tatis, Jr. - I thought I'd be ranking him a lot higher early in the season, but he faded in the second half... if a .875 OPS at shortstop can really be called fading.
11) Walker Buehler - He pitched very well, with a 165 ERA+, and pitched over 200 innings. That's impressive this season.
12) Brian Reynolds - Where did this guy come from?
13) Robbie Ray - The best pitcher in the AL this past season, although that's not saying that much.
14) Carlos Correa - I'm sorry, I'm just not buying that Correa was worth 3 wins on defense this past year.
15) Jacob deGrom - You might think that this is just a homer vote, but he's ranked 17th on the combined fWAR chart. So it's a homer vote, but a defensible one!
1- I don't have enough numbers I want to create a ballot
2- Without those numbers I didn't pay enough attention to baseball this year to feel comfortable creating a ballot
lieiam, I don’t know if this helps but I found this link to Win Shares on the Hey Bill part of the Bill James Online site. It has the Win Shares leaderboard for each year & under batting and pitching profiles you can search players yearly Win Shares
http://bjprofiles.bisdata.com/StatisticsReport_new.aspx?Type=507&League=1
You mean you don't think a GM in MLB would trade away Max Scherzer to get Robbie Grossman? As a Twins fan I'm sure they could get two ace pitchers for Jorge Polanco, right?
These pitchers have received MMP votes but aren't on the leaderboard. Someone else would have to look up individually.
Max Scherzer
Ranger Suarez
Wade Miley
Jacob deGrom
That being said I've still gone through with my somewhat improvised numbers blender and came up with the following ballot.
I plan on posting it to the ballot page in a day or two.
1 OHTANI, SHOHEI 10000
2 SOTO, JUAN 8028
3 GUERRERO, VLADIMIR 7732
4 HARPER, BRYCE 7621
5 RAMIREZ, JOSE 7618
6 TURNER, TREA 7528
7 WHEELER, ZACK 7527
8 SEMIEN, MARCUS 7451
9 TATIS, FERNANDO 7411
10 CRAWFORD, BRANDON 7242
11 JUDGE, AARON 7168
12 CORREA, CARLOS 7071
13 REYNOLDS, BRYAN 6942
14 GOLDSCHMIDT, PAUL 6769
15 BURNES, CORBIN 6605
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