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Peavy, Nathan, Papelbon, Lincecum, Kazmir and Danks

Catch-all thread for 2022 eligible pitchers

DL from MN Posted: January 16, 2021 at 10:00 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cookiedabookie Posted: January 18, 2021 at 09:18 PM (#6000373)
Billy Wagner is my fourth ranked closer. Once he's inducted, either by the writers or the VC, my next ranked closer is Joe Nathan, who is 7th and in a tier with Fingers and Lindy McDaniel. I personally think Rivera, Wilhelm, and Gossage are the only three who I fully support, and Gossage is on the fence. Then Wagner, Smith, and Hoffman I'm ok with, but don't fully support. But Nathan is better than most remember, and holds up well against the HoF closers.
   2. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: January 18, 2021 at 09:25 PM (#6000375)
If you had asked me to guess who was last in this group in career bWAR (before just now, when I checked), I would have taken a few tries to land on the correct answer (Lincecum).
   3. Chris Cobb Posted: January 19, 2021 at 12:30 AM (#6000417)
Lincecum's career bWAR is lower than one might guess because he racked down such an exceptional magnitude of wins below replacement level during the last five years of his career. It's not many pitchers who get run out there for -4.5 bWAR over a period of 5 years. Going from 24.4 WAR in his first five years to -4.5 in his last five is a very impressive drop-off.
   4. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: January 19, 2021 at 08:16 AM (#6000453)
The Kazmir comeback was fun. He looked absolutely toasty in 2010, posting a 93/79 K/BB ratio in 150 IP. His K/9 cratered from 9.8 in 2008 to just 5.6. He struggled mightily in the PCL in 2011, posting a 20/14 BB/K ratio. Returned to the majors in 2013 and managed a 103 ERA+ over his final 667.2 innings.
   5. Al Peterson Posted: January 19, 2021 at 10:43 AM (#6000501)
Joe Nathan 2003-2016:
52-28 736.0 IP 2.76 FIP 376 Saves 179 ERA

Jonathan Papelbon 2005-2016:
41-36 725.2 IP 2.81 FIP 368 Saves 177 ERA

Those are some eerie close numbers. I only checked it out when I saw Nathan and Papelbon are 8th & 9th all-time in Saves.
   6. kcgard2 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 05:35 PM (#6000844)
Rivera is the only reliever I "fully support."
Wilhelm and Gossage are the next tier down. I don't oppose them.
Wagner is the next tier. I wouldn't strongly oppose.
Smith, Hoffman, and Hiller.
Nathan, Fingers, Quisenberry, Papelbon.
   7. kcgard2 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 05:38 PM (#6000845)
And Peavy is the only guy here to make my rankings. He's at #225. As a White Sox fan I did like Danks.
   8. The Honorable Ardo Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:48 PM (#6000882)
I also gave Peavy a (cursory) evaluation. He comes out on par with Eddie Rommel and Mel Stottlemyre.

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