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Hall of Merit— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best
Monday, March 16, 2009
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: March 16, 2009 at 01:02 PM (#3104424)Especially not Nolan Ryan.
Good hitter, good defensive player, by all accounts a really nice guy, but all anyone will ever remember is his "fight" with Nolan Ryan.
Then I'll remember the fight.
I'll remember him for (apart from the previously mentioned pummeling suffered at the hands of Nolan Ryan) his 0 for 41 rookie slump.
Hey, I was at that game. Only game I've ever been to in Chicago.
I see that WAR rates Nettles, (Killebrew), (Allen), Bell, and Bando all tied up at 61, rounding to the nearest win. From 58 down to 50 covers Boyer, Rolen, Evans, Ventura, Hack, Collins, Elliott, Cey, Leach, and (Perez). Those 15 players all rank 98 to 165 among "position players"; the thirdbasemen ahead of them seem to be Schmidt, Matthews, Boggs, Brett, (Rose), (Molitor), Chipper Jones, Brooks Robinson, (Edgar), Santo, and Baker. Here I've tried to name all the part-career 3b who moved to easier roles but none of the catchers and shortstops who moved to third.
Brooks Robinson and Heinie Groh seem to be the big disagreements with Hall of Merit ranking, passing over blackball and the early days.
Ventura is 114 OPS+ 8271 PA.
Elliott split his time between 3B and OF, but I remember a poster showing some evidence that it looks as if Elliott was versatile so you could put him where you needed him. Ventura, of course, has more defensive value regardless.
Ron Cey, a guy who hovers at the edge of ballot for me, is 121 in 8344 PA, and I like his defense better than the "Penguin" name suggests but not as much as Ventura's.
Buddy Bell, 109 in 10000 PA, also a good glove and lasted longer but not quite the hitter overall.
Ken Boyer staggered into the bottom of the HOM at 116 OPS+ and 7455 PA, with a prime argument.
Throw in in-season durability, league quality, etc, and toss 'em all in a blender. It's tough....
But then who would Graig Nettles be?
According to the internet, Craig Nettles.
He'll be close, but most likely off ballot.
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