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Sol White

All things Sol White . . .

JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head Posted: May 26, 2004 at 07:42 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. rawagman Posted: September 07, 2006 at 11:13 AM (#2170347)
Has anyone ever attempted MLE's for Sol White?
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 07, 2006 at 11:54 AM (#2170357)
The Integrated 9's project has MLE's for White from 1901-1905. They have him at 254/320/337, though to be fair, his best seasons appear to have come in the 19th century.
   3. Paul Wendt Posted: September 11, 2006 at 02:10 AM (#2173042)
I hear say he is buried on Staten Island in an unmarked grave.
HOF gravehound Mike Frank led a minor visit to the site a few months ago.

I suspect that he was a great player and I wonder whether we will ever compile a good historical record of his play (not to mention those MLEs).
   4. sunnyday2 Posted: September 11, 2006 at 02:45 AM (#2173051)
Somebody once did MLEs for some of the very early guys. IIRC it was a 5 percent discount off of the I9s projections. Most of us agreed at the time that the I9s were wildly optimistic and a 5 percent discount was not nearly enough.

Still based on what we knew, I never saw White as being much different than Frank Grant, nor Bill Monroe much different than either one. All 3 pretty interchangeable.

I would guess there was a lot of discussion of White that may have been lost in the server upgrade.

Bill James' List of NeL 2Bs

1. Bingo DeMoss
2. Newt Allen
3. George Scales
4. Sammy Hughes
5. Bill Monroe
6. Frank Grant
7. Charlie Grant
8. Frank Warfield
9. Dick Seay
10. Dink Mothel
xx. Bonnie Serrell

My List of Black 2Bs with little or no fair shot at the MLs

1. Marvin Williams
2. Frank Grant
3. Bill Monroe
4. George Scales
5. Silvio Garcia
6. Sol White
7. Sammy Hughes
8. Newt Allen
   5. Paul Wendt Posted: September 11, 2006 at 04:11 AM (#2173099)
I wonder whether we will ever compile a good historical record of his play

I don't mean "we" the HOM or the I9s or Gary A or the SABR Negro Leagues Committee but
"Man" as in H.G. Wells, The History of Man.
   6. Paul Wendt Posted: November 25, 2006 at 11:18 PM (#2245750)
Phil Dixon, America's Baseball Chronicles, vol III, features the 1905 Philadelphia Giants with "accounts of nearly 158 games" and "dates, locations and scores from over 300 additional games that were played in 1905" by other teams.
vol III press release

Phil Dixon's America's Baseball Chronicles
- purported website where I see only one page (inadequate software at my end?)
   7. rawagman Posted: November 26, 2006 at 05:32 AM (#2245878)
Paul, there are links above the text, but they don't seem to be completed
   8. Paul Wendt Posted: February 26, 2007 at 12:12 AM (#2303299)
Negro Leagues Courier (SABR committee newsletter), 2006 August(?)
Work is currently underway to get suitable headstone for Hall of Famers Ray Brown, Sol White and Frank Grant. The graves of Grant and White may present a problem where marking them is concerned due to the fact that both men were buried in paupers graves.
Donations are not needed at this time but may be called for in future issues.

NLC News Bulletin 2005-12-11
. . . Of the 39 players that appear on both ballots, there are seven for whom we have no information regarding their burial sites. Now at first this may seem like a daunting task, but it is not as hard as it may first sound. We have information as to where all of these players died, only the name of the cemetery is missing.

[Newt Allen, Cincinnati - "taken" by the editor]
John Beckwith, who died in New York, New York, January 5, 1956.
J. Preston (Pete) Hill, who died in Buffalo, New York, November 26, 1951.
Grant Johnson, who died in Buffalo, New York, September 4, 1963.
Dick Lundy, who died in Jacksonville, Florida, January 5, 1962.
Walter (Dobie) Moore, who died in Rome, Georgia, in April of 1963.
Roy Parnell, who died in Terrell, Texas, in June of 1969.

I doubt that the later note above implies all these "missing cemeteries" have been located, with gravesite markers that have been judged appropriate. But I don't know anything more. Contact the SABR committee at; select "Research".

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