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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, August 02, 2004The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home PageEnter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit. John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway. David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings. Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings. yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy. The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino. For Hall of Meriters A-F, please click here. The current roster (267 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position): Pitchers (74): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Tom Glavine+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Randy Johnson+*, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Greg Maddux+**, Juan Marichal+, Pedro Martinez+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Mike Mussina, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Curt Schilling, Tom Seaver+**, John Smoltz, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*. Catchers (22): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Ivan Rodriguez+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe Torre, Quincy Trouppe and Deacon White+. First Basemen (23): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry+, Frank Thomas+, and Jim Thome+. Second Basemen (23): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+, Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+. Third Basemen (21): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken Boyer, Jimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Chipper Jones+*, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Scott Rolen+, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson. Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+. Left Fielders (24): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+. Center Fielders (28): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, Jim Edmonds, George Gore+, Ken Griffey, Jr.+**, Billy Hamilton+, Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn. Right Fielders (25): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Vladimir Guerrero, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Manny Ramirez+,Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Gary Sheffield, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+. Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+ + first-year candidate honorees (151) * unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (18) ** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (11) 2018 Franchise Cap Standings 1. Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward) 2T. Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams) 2T. Braves - 17 (Aaron, Barnes, Glavine, Jones, Maddux, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Smoltz, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright) 4. Indians - 14 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, Thome, EWynn) 5T. Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth) 5T. Cardinals - 13 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Edmonds, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith) 7T. Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell) 7T. Phillies - 12 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Rolen, Schilling, Schmidt, Thompson) 9T. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker) 9T. Red Sox - 11 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, Martinez, Ramirez, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski) 11T. Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush) 11T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat) 11T. White Sox - 10 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Thomas, Walsh, Wilhelm) 14. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner) 15. Orioles/Browns - 7 (Murray, Mussina, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace) 16. Twins/Senators - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew) 17T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw) 17T. Montreal Expos - 4 (GCarter, Dawson, Guerrero, Raines) 19T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn) 19T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson) 19T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente) 19T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung) 19T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard) 19T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan) 19T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells) 19T Rangers - 3 (K. Brown, Palmeiro, Rodriguez) 27T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan) 27T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson) 27T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb) 27T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount) 27T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start) 27T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop) 27T. Mariners - 2 (Griffey Jr., Martinez) 27T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver) 27T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams) 27T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield) 27T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne) 27T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen) 39T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez) 39T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy) 39T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock) 39T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe) 39T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant) 39T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms) 39T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes) 39T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett) 39T. Diamondbacks - 1 (RJohnson) 39T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo) 39T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey) 39T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston) 39T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning) 39T. Marlins - 1 (Sheffield) 39T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin) 39T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey) 39T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster) 39T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige) 39T Rockies - 1 (Walker) 39T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike) 2018 Cap Standings by City 1. Chicago - 30 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, Thomas, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams) 2. New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams) 3. Philadelphia - 21 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, Roberts, Rolen, Schilling, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell) 4T. Cleveland - 19 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Sewell, Speaker, Thome, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young) 4T. St. Louis - 19 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Edmonds, Frisch, B. Gibson, Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells) 4T. Boston - 19 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, Martinez, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Ramirez, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, G. Wright, Yastrzemski) 7T. Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, Whitaker) 7T. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner) 9. Baltimore - 11 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, Murray, Mussina, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson) 10T. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat) 10T. Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, F. Robinson, Rose, Roush) 12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry) 13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount) 14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen) 14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire) 14T. Atlanta - 5 (Glavine, Jones, Maddux, Niekro, Smoltz) 17T. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton) 17T. Montreal - 4 (Carter, Dawson, Guerrero, Raines) 19T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson) 19T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn) 19T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew) 19T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson) 19T. Arlington - 3 (K. Brown, Palmeiro, Rodriguez) 24T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan) 24T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms) 24T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne) 24T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield) 24T. Seattle – 2 (Griffey Jr., Martinez) 24T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb) 30T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez) 30T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy) 30T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey) 30T. Denver - 1 (Walker) 30T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo) 30T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston) 30T. Louisville – 1 (Browning) 30T. Miami - 1 (Sheffield) 30T. Newark - 1 (Irvin) 30T. Phoenix - 1 (R.Johnson) * Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city. 2018 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital: 1. New York (42) 2. Pennsylvania (35) 3T. Illinois (29) 3T. Ohio (29) 5. Missouri (24) 6. California (20) 7. Massachusetts (19) 8. Michigan (13) 9. Maryland (11) 10T. Wisconsin (6) 10T. Texas (6) 11T. Georgia (5) 12. Quebec (4) 14T. District of Columbia (3) 14T. Minnesota (3) 16T. Cuba (2) 16T. Indiana (2) 16T. Kentucky (2) 16T. New Jersey (2) 16T. Ontario (2) 16T. Rhode Island (2) 16T. Washington (2) 23T. Arizona (1) 23T. Colorado (1) 23T. Florida (1) 23T. Oregon (1)
All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP). Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type. Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque. Here are the plaques for the 2013 inductees: Roger Clemens - 2013 - P Mike Piazza - 2013 - C Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
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It only makes sense if you want more caps for your favorite team. ;-)
OK, but Deacon's plaque still says Bisons.
Thanks, Ivan. I'll fix that right now.
1. Chicago - 27 (Anson, Appling, Banks, BrownM, ClarksonJ, CollinsE, Dahlen, Faber, FosterW, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, HermanB, HillP, Jenkins, KellyK, Lyons, Minoso, PierceB, Santo, Sheckard, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, WilliamsBi)
2. New York - 24 (Berra, Connor, DavisG, Dickey, DiMaggioJ, Ewing, FordW, Gehrig, Gordon, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, WilliamsSJ)
3. Philadelphia - 19 (Alexander, AllenD, Ashburn, BakerF, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, FosterR, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, RobertsR, Schmidt, SimmonsA, StoveyH, Thompson, Waddell)
4. Cleveland - 18 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, FerrellW, Flick, Glasscock, JacksonJ, Lajoie, Lemon, SewellJ, Speaker, TrouppeQ, WynnE, YoungC)
5. St. Louis - 17 (BellCP, BoyerK, Caruthers, Frisch, GibsonB, HernandezK, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, SimmonsT, Sisler, Slaughter, Suttles, Wallace, WellsW)
6. Boston - 14 (Barnes, CollinsJ, Doerr, EvansDw, Fisk, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, SuttonE, WhiteD, WilliamsT, WrightD, Yastrzemski)
7. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, BrownR, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, GibsonJ, Kiner, LeonardB, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, WanerP)
8. Detroit - 11 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes)
9. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, JohnsonHR, Pearce, Reese, RobinsonJ, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat)
10. Cincinnati - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, RobinsonF, Rose, Roush)
11. Baltimore - 7 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, Palmer, RobinsonB, WilsonJ)
12T. Milwaukee - 5 (Aaron, Mathews, Spahn, Torre, Yount)
12T. San Francisco - 5 (EvansDa, Marichal, MaysW, McCovey, PerryG)
14. Kansas City - 4 (Brett, BrownW, MooreD, Rogan)
15T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
15T. Los Angeles - 3 (Drysdale, Koufax, SuttonD)
15T. Minneapolis - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew)
15T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, JohnsonW)
19. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
20T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez)
20T. Anaheim* - 1 (Grich)
20T. Atlanta - 1 (NiekroP)
20T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey)
20T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo)
20T. Houston - 1 (WynnJ)
20T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston)
20T. Montreal - 1 (CarterG)
20T. Newark - 1 (Irvin)
20T. Oakland - 1 (JacksonR)
N/A - 1 (GrantF)
The Cuban Giants don't appear to have had a home for more than a year at a time, so I really didn't feel I could assign them anywhere. Almendares was a suburb of Havana (it is now part of the city). Darby (Hilldale) is a suburb of Philadelphia. Homestead was counted as part of Pittsburgh (but I could possibly be talked out of that).
The decisions between cities were pretty straightforward, with the exception of Joe Torre. He definitely had more value in Milwaukee than Atlanta, but it could be argued that he had more in St. Louis than either. I chose to stick with the Braves.
And now for some silliness
Cities with current major league teams that are unrepresented (by length of team existence): San Diego, Seattle, Toronto, Denver, Miami, Phoenix, Tampa Bay
Cities with prior major league teams that are unrepresented (# of games played by teams in parentheses): Louisville (2439), Columbus (614), Troy (325), Worcester (249), Toledo (236), Syracuse (192), Hartford (126), Rochester (126), Richmond (42), Altoona (25), Wilmington (18), St. Paul (8)
Cities not yet mentioned that had Negro League teams in one of the major Negro Leagues, per b-r.com wiki, including the Negro Southern League for 1932 only. (Number of years teams competed, through 1950, in parentheses): Memphis (21), Birmingham (19), Atlantic City (6), Harrisburg (5), Jacksonville (3), Dayton (2), Nashville (2), New Orleans (2), Monroe (LA) (1), Montgomery (1)
Cities with only NA teams: Elizabeth, Fort Wayne, Keokuk, Middletown, New Haven, Rockford.
Caps by state:
1. New York (37)
2. Pennsylvania (33)
3. Illinois (27)
4. Ohio (26)
5. Missouri (21)
6. Massachusetts (14)
7. Michigan (11)
8. California (9)
9. Maryland (7)
10. Wisconsin (5)
11. Minnesota, District of Columbia (3)
12. Cuba, Rhode Island (2)
13. Georgia, Indiana, New Jersey, Quebec, Texas (1)
For example, with no accounting for multiple clubs in one city one year (that is, denominator is years not club-seasons):
Cap Anson
1/1 Rockford
4/130 Philadelphia
22/134 Chicago
Harry Stovey
3/3 Worcester
7/130 Philadelphia
2+/136 Boston
+ fractions
In other words, *if* you follow a major league season in Rockford or Worcester, your chance of seeing Anson or Stovey is very good!
Ryan (not Nolan :-) hasn't had a chance to look over Fingers' and Gossage's plaque, so they might be revised within the week.
I believe he was also on the 1982 Brewers, although he didn't pitch in the World Series due to injury. Pete Ladd became the closer.
Good point, Ivan. Thanks!
I neglected to mention that the Brewers lost the 1982 World Series.
Heh. I remember that World Series, so that was just my own carelessness.
How about this, patterned after the Gossage write-up:
Member of three division leaders (1971, 1975, 1981) and four pennant-winners (1982 and the World Champions of 1972-74)
Thanks for keeping me honest, Ivan!
These franchises have shared many players. Notably, Don Baylor and Bert Campaneris who each played for the three inductees with the team that they got their cap with. Other famous Athletic/Yankee/Angels include Reggie Jackson, Rickey Henderson, Tommy John, Norm Siebern and Dave Kingman.
The three teams each reached the postseason in 2002 which the Angels defeating the Yankees in the ALDS en route to their World Championship. The Yankees beat the Athletics in their only three playoff encounters (1981, 2000, 2001). (The A's and Angels have never met in the postseason, though fans may remember the thrilling 2004 pennant race with the Angels winning the pennant on the final weekend after trailing by 3 with 9 to go.
<u>2000 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5T. Cardinals - 11 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
5T. Yankees - 11 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Ruffing, Ruth)
7. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
8T. Athletics - 9 (FBaker, Cochrane, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
8T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
8T. Tigers - 9 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser)
8T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
12T.Reds - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
14T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
14T.Red Sox - 6 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
30T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
30T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
30T.Brewers - 1 (Yount)
30T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
30T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
30T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
30T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
30T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
30T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
30T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
30T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
30T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
30T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
30T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
30T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
30T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
30T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
30T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
30T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Those are good pickups, Ivan.
What I normally do, unless it's pointed out in a website or book, is to see if the honoree played in the postseason. Obviously, not everyone who played prominent roles during the regular season make it that far.
I'll fix it in a jiff. Thanks!
Its a Padre theme this year. Winfield gets the Padres their first cap. The Padres have won the NL Pennant twice, losing the World Series once each to the other two cap franchise. They lost to the Tigers (with Whitaker) in 1984 and to the Yankees in 1998.
The Tigers (4) and Yankees (7) won eleven of the twelve AL pennants between 1934 and 1945. They've met in the postseason just once, with the Tigers beating the Yankees in the 2006 ALDS.
<u>2001 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5. Yankees - 12 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
6. Cardinals - 11 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter)
7T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
7T. Tigers - 10 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Whitaker)
9T. Athletics - 9 (FBaker, Cochrane, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
9T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
9T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
9T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13. Reds - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
14T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
14T.Red Sox - 6 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
30T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
30T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
30T.Brewers - 1 (Yount)
30T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
30T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
30T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
30T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
30T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
30T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
30T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
30T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
30T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
30T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
30T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
30T.Padres - 1 (Winfield)
30T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
30T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
30T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
30T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
30T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Member of three division-champs (1985, 1989 and the 1992 World Series Champions).
And please don't call the Tigers the Bengals.
Is there a replacement level (too low) or peak (big years) issue that could swing his real overall value to being greater in NY? WARP1 underrates DH leagues, does correcting for that flip it to the Yankees?
"Opening Day" was accidentally left off the plaque. Thanks, Old Cardinal Fan! ;-)
He was clearly better using WS, too.
I added the 1992 mention at the last second, since he didn't show up in the World Series stats, but you're obviously correct, Ivan. Thanks, as always!
What about in the Rosenheck numbers, which adjust for this?
My OPS+ analysis from #1069:
SDP-165-149-135-133-123-116-114
NYY-159-154-142-138-133-120-118-116
OPS+ removes pitcher hitting so there should be no DH effect there. Winfield was a better baserunner and hit into fewer DP in San Diego though... plus it was a tougher league.
I guess I'd vote for the Yankees. We've tried to be sticklers on other close-call caps (e.g. Cronin, Speaker, Collins). Winfield may have feuded with Steinbrenner, but the numbers show a slight Yankee edge.
Team Sum of WARP2 Sum of PennAdd Sum of Salary
CAL-A 2.9 0.035 2305708
CLE-A -1.2 -0.013 0
MIN-A -1 -0.013 0
NY_-A 30.1 0.393 41560095
SD_-N 31.4 0.42 48686752
TOR-A 2.8 0.035 2861330
65 0.857 95413885
not necciserly since DHs don't have to field you can put in a hitter and not have to worry about them fielding terribly so you can get one more bat in the lineup bringing up the leauge average.
It's not as simple as that, David, since Winfield created his Padre WS in far fewer games. His Padre WS/162 is higher.
SDP-33-28-25-24-22-20-17-3
NYY-31-26-22-21-20-18-17-16*
The * is 1981 so it should bump up to 23 or so. I dunno how much the DH affects things.
Yeah. I forgot about that. I think we decided the effect was quite small though. If 11% of the lineup has an OPS+ of 110, that's only a 1% bump in context. Its negligible compared to the effect of including pitchers hitting (as many "needs to balance out" metrics do). 110 is generous, as well. It only happened once in Winfield's Yankee tenure. DH's usually hit around 106 or so (in 1985, DH's hit only 96!).
Winfield SD 69 43 33 30 27 19 8 0
Winfield NY 61 52 28 24 22*21 15 9
Winfield oth 44 15 8 -3 -4-12
Notes: that * is for the strike-shortened 1981, although I may have screwed up calculating that number anyway. I also threw all of 1990 into the "other" pile even though he had a few at bats for the Yankees.
Very hard to say, although he probably had more defensive value in San Diego.
The Jays won the division in 1991 as well. Stieb got hurt in late May. Is that enough to warrant a mention?
There is still a DH effect - the DH's drive the league average up. If OPS+ didn't include DH's or pitchers, then there'd be no effect. An AL 1980 OPS+ of 100 is tougher to achieve (assuming equal talent in each league at the 8 positions) than an NL 1980 OPS+. This is not true in 1972.
It's close, but I guess SD is probably the best choice.
Tiger and Cardinals are the reigning AL and NL champs who have met in the World Series three times with the Cardinals winning in 1934 and 2006 and the Tigers winning in 1968.
The 1977-expansion Blue Jays get their first cap. They have never faced the Tigers or the Cardinals in the playoffs. There was the memorable 1987 pennant race, though where the Tigers swept the Jays in the final three games of the season to win the division by two games. Trammell hit a game-tying HR in the first game and a game-ending RBI single in the bottom of the second game. The Jays blew a 3.5 game lead with 7 to play by losing their final seven games (Stieb losing the game right before the final Tiger series).
Trammell hit .309/.382/.456 in 87 PA against Stieb. Ozzie Smith faced Stieb in four AllStar Games going 0 for 4.
<u>2002 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 15 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5T. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
5T. Yankees - 12 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
7. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
8. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
9T. Athletics - 9 (FBaker, Cochrane, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
9T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
9T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
9T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
13. Reds - 8 (Bench, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
14T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
14T.Red Sox - 6 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 4 (Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
30T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
30T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
30T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
30T.Brewers - 1 (Yount)
30T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
30T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
30T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
30T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
30T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
30T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
30T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
30T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
30T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
30T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
30T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
30T.Padres - 1 (Winfield)
30T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
30T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
30T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
30T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
30T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Besides, it gives San Diego their first cap, while the Yankees have a boatload of them and more to come (Jeter, Rivera, Williams?).
That means four of them have been deleted, Joe.
Well, he pitched well in his brief stint (even better than in '92), so I would say yes. Thanks, David!
What caps would any of the following get?
Pete Browning? (Louisville Colonels, I guess)
Charley Jones? (Two different "Cincinnati Reds" franchises to choose from?)
Roger Bresnahan? (Giants, presumably)
Hugh Duffy? (Boston Beaneaters?)
Andre Dawson? (Expos, I'd think.)
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1203. Ivan Grushenko of HK in St Louis Posted: May 31, 2007 at 11:13 PM (#2387008)
>>After discussion with John Murphy, Deacon White's cap assignment has been reevaluated and has shifted from the Bisons to the "Braves". This pushes the Braves into a tie for third place with the Indians (the total should read 13 and will be corrected next time).
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OK, but Deacon's plaque still says Bisons.
1204. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 01, 2007 at 09:54 AM (#2387178)
>>OK, but Deacon's plaque still says Bisons.
<<
Thanks, Ivan. I'll fix that right now.
The Braves' claim to White must rest on the identity of his NA 1873-75 and NL 1877 clubs, the quality of his '75 and '77 seasons (MVP-level), and his fielding the catcher position ('73-75). He was done as a regular catcher and slightly over the hill as a batter in Buffalo.
I had sent you an e-mail about a possible change last year for him, Joe. You said you were going to look into this, but you never had the time, I assume. For consistency's sake, I decided to change his cap months later on my own, though you're still the final arbiter, of course.
Correct, Paul. He clearly was a more dominating figure with that Boston franchise and had more value there than he had in Buffalo. The shorter NA and NL schedules from the 1870s distorts this, of course, for the same reason that White is listed by many as a third baseman instead od a catcher for his career.
Is it possible that the Deacon might have preferred a Buffalo cap for other reasons than quality of his play instead? Sure, but that might be true of half of the inductees. I'd rather reward the franchise worthy of a cap, instead.
Sandberg helps the Cubs tie the Giants for the top spot once again. The Giants will likely reclaim the lead when Will Clark becomes eligible, and could keep it for good depending on the eligibility dates of active players like Sosa, Kent and Bonds.
Jones gives the Reds their 9th cap, pulling them out of last place for National League franchises and into a tie with the Dodgers and the Pirates. With the recent eligibility of "Big Red Machine" players like Bench, Morgan and Rose, it's not surprising that the Reds were able to close the gap but it's really the backloggers like Roush and Jones who have given Cincy the boost they needed. Will Bucky Walters get them even further up the list?
The Giants, tied for the lead with 16, have 6 backloggers: Bresnahan (top C-5th), Van Haltren (CF-17th), Welch (P-30th), Doyle (top 2B-34th), Bonds (OF-35th) and Burns (CF-67th).
The Cubs, tied for the lead with 16, have 5: L. Smith (RP-49th), Williamson (3B-56th), Chance (1B-58th), Ryan (CF-67th) and H. Wilson (CF-92nd). Not a lot of help there.
The Braves, currently with 13, have 6: Duffy (CF-12th), Willis (P-33rd), Murphy (CF-36th), Maranville (SS-70th), Berger (CF-94th) and Bond (P-94th).
The Indians, leading all AL franchises with 13, have just 3: Johnson (top corner OF-8th), Joss (P-51st) and Rosen (3B-69th).
The Yankees, currently with 12, have three catchers (E. Howard, Schang and Munson at 37, 44 and 52), one first baseman (Mattingly at 50), one second baseman (Lazzeri at 92), one third baseman (Nettles at 19), the top shortstop (Rizzuto at 21), no outfielders and four pitchers (Mays, John Gomez and Quinn at 40, 41, 60 and 77) for a grand total of 11 backlog vote-getters. That's pretty good.
The Cardinals, also with 12, have 5: Dean (P-22nd), Brock (OF-25th), Cepeda (1B-31st), Clark (1B-72nd) and Sutter (RP-80th).
The Tigers, currently with 11, have a rather impressive 7: Bridges (P-24th), Cash (1B-32nd), Parrish (C-64th), Veach (CF-79th), Trout (P-88th), Morris (P-94th) and Kell (3B-101st).
The Phillies, currently with 10, have only 3: Cravath (OF-14th), Bancroft (SS-41st) and Klein (OF-44th).
A bunch of franchises currently have 9.
The A's are pinning their hopes on only 3: Bando (3B-52nd), Campaneris (SS-94th) Tenace (C-104th)
The Dodgers are stuffing the ballots for 5: Grimes (P-28th), Newcombe (P-57th), F. Howard (OF-73rd), Cey (3B-74th) and Butler (CF-94th).
The Pirates are spreading the love to 9 more: Leach (top 3B/CF-15th), Elliott (3B-38th), Reuschel (P-46th), Traynor (3B-54th), Cooper (P-62nd), Mazeroski (2B-71st), Parker (OF-84th), Leever (P-90th) and Madlock (a fourth 3B! at 104th)
The Reds are looking for help from 5: Perez (top 1B/3B at 9th), Walters (P-11th), Concepcion (SS-27th), Lombardi (C-64th) and Mullane (P-67th).
The White Sox are fixing to get in 3: Cicotte (P-64th) Aparicio (SS-86th) and F. Jones (CF-90th).
How about the trailing franchises?
The Red Sox, currently with 6, have 4: R. Smith (CF-16th), Tiant (P-18th), Pesky (SS-83rd) and J. Rice (OF-84th).
The Twins, also with 6, have another 6 in line: Puckett (CF-7th), Oliva (OF-63rd), Kaat (P-73rd), S. Rice (OF-81st), Vernon (P-94th) and Leonard (P-97th).
The Orioles, who finally got their 5th, are at the bottom again with only 3: Singleton (OF-26th), Stephens (SS-46th) and Shocker (P-59th).
Next up, the expansion franchises:
The Angels already have 2, and they're looking to add 3: Tanana (P-48th), Downing (1B-86th) and Fregosi (SS-94th).
The Mets, with 1 already, looking to add 1 more: Staub (OF-29th).
The Nationals, also with 1, and looking to add 2: Dawson (CF-6th) and Wallach (3B-104th).
The Royals, also with 1, looking to add 1: Quisenberry (RP-104th).
The Astros, Blue Jays, Brewers and Padres each have 1, waiting on none.
The Rangers, with none yet, are looking to add 2: Bell (3B-54th) and Hough (P-101st).
The other expansion franchises are all waiting patiently for upcoming classes of not-yet eligible players.
As for the old franchises:
The old Baltimore Orioles of the NL would love to add a 4th: McGraw (3B-20th).
The Cleveland Blues would love to add a 2nd: Dunlap (2B-81st) though peak voters could push for the St. Louis Maroons to get their first.
The Louisville Colonels would love to get their 1st: Browning (top returnee at any position-4th).
And the Negro Leagues:
Always tricky to determine, however my best guess is that
Redding (P-10th) would add a 3rd to either the Brooklyn Royal Giants or the New York Lincoln Giants,
Oms (CF-13th) would be a first for his native Santa Clara,
Clarkson (3B/SS-23rd) would be a first for the Philadelphia Stars,
Taylor (1B-39th) would add a 2nd to the Indianapolis ABCs,
Monroe (2B-43rd) would be a 3rd for the Brooklyn Royal Giants (or 4th depending on Redding),
Matlock (P-75th) would be a 2nd for the Pittsburgh Crawfords,
Easter (1B-78th) would be a 4th for the Homestead Grays,
Moran (89th) could be a first for Fe (?) or a 2nd for the Habana Reds.
And Lundy (SS-101st) would be a first for the Atlantic City Bacharach Giants.
And I think that's everybody.
Dean and Brock are Cardinals for sure, but I'm not so sure Cepeda and Clark aren't Giants (and Clark a RF), with Sutter a Cub. Probably moot points anyway.
Correct, OCF. I also wouldn't classify those three as Cards.
Indian Bob Johnson played for the Athletics. I'm pretty sure Reuschel would be a Cub, not a Pirate.
"The White Sox are fixing to get in 3: Cicotte"
The fix is in!
"The Mets, with 1 already, looking to add 1 more: Staub (OF-29th)"
Is Staub really a Met?
As a Met fan, it pains me to say that he had the most value as a Colt/Astro.
The Orioles and Reds met in the 1970 World Series with the Orioles winning in five. The Cubs (NL) and Reds (AA) Franchises each won their respective league titles in 1882, but there was no World Series held that year.
Players who played for all three franchises include Milt Pappas, Lee Smith, Randy Myers, Moe Drabowsky, Mike Morgan and HOM-sibling Jim Delahanty.
<u>2003 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1T. Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
1T. Giants - 16 (Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5T. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
5T. Yankees - 12 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
7. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
8. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
9T. Athletics - 9 (FBaker, Cochrane, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
9T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
9T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
9T. Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
14T.Red Sox - 6 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 5 (Murray, Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
30T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
30T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
30T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
30T.Brewers - 1 (Yount)
30T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
30T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
30T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
30T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
30T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
30T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
30T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
30T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
30T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
30T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
30T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
30T.Padres - 1 (Winfield)
30T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
30T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
30T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
30T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
30T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Deacon White only played 1 season for the Braves. I assume you got your old time Bostons confused; this should be the Boston Red Stockings, as it says on his plaque.
> This should be the Boston Red Stockings, as it says on his plaque.
> Actually, Barnes, McVey, and Spalding all played only for Boston in the Nat'l Association, and never for the NL Braves. Baseball-Reference shows those as separate franchises. Is that incorrect?
There weren't any franchises before 1876 but it is a single club from 1871. With outsiders from Louisville and Cincinnati, six of the seven strong NA clubs established the National League. Compare St Louis Brown Stockings in the last line of the table.
The plaque "Caps" use more complete names in the popular, eventually official "city and nickname" format: Hank Aaron, Milwaukee Braves; Cap Anson, Chicago White Stockings.
The Franchise Cap Standings group them by franchise (club).
Someone posted Cap Standings grouped by city once but it isn't maintained.
See also #1255 and 1256
Yeah, I didn't think we needed both lists every year. I'll put up an updated version after 2008.
On looking closer at the Braves' franchise page on B-R, I see Forman does note that they "Also played as a National Association Franchise," but he does not show that NA history on their page. He doesn't list any of the NA teams' records as part of their NL counterparts' records. I'm not that informed on this era, so I'm sorry if this has been covered before. What do you mean "there weren't any franchises before 1876"? From reading the B-R wiki, I see that they started the NL because there were problems in the structure of the NA. But I don't understand why the teams are split up on B-R, when he does show continuous histories of the AA teams that moved to the NL. If anyone can give a better summary of what happened in the NA/NL transition, or point me to one, I'd appreciate it.
I believe this is a judgment about meeting the demand, that is matching the most common interests of visitors to the website.
Why may visitors be more interested in seeing Saint Louis AA 1882-1891 and NL 1892-date grouped together than in seeing NA 1875 and NL 1876-1877 grouped together? One plausible reason is that MLB recognizes the AA but not the NA as a major league, so the baseball-reference "franchise" pages cover the entire officially-major league histories.
This isn't a great reason because it would be easy to serve both by listing the entire club history on one page with a horizontal line or color change to demarcate 1875/76.
Retrosheet includes the NA histories of the six 1875 clubs that established the NL.
Chicago Cubs at Retrosheet
Some people here, at least KJOK and I, have advised Retrosheet and Baseball-reference on this matter.
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Why not "franchises" before 1876?
Only beginning in 1876 the member clubs enjoy rights in their leagues, routinely retained from year to year and transferable to a successor (albeit subject to approval by at least a majority of the members). First and foremost, the clubs are exclusive league members in their own cities plus some neighboring territory; since a few years after 1876 they are exclusive participants in organized baseball with a veto of local competition all the way down to the lowest minor league. Second, the clubs are jointly exclusive league members regardless of location. Their number increases only by majority or super-majority vote to expand; thus from 1876 to 1961 each of eight member clubs effectively owned 1/8 of the National League. On these two grounds a club in the National League is valuable for its franchise even if it is a sure money loser in its baseball operations. It is chiefly the franchise (membership) that Montreal owners recently sold to the NL and indirectly to a new group in Washington.
In the franchise epoch, designation of a club by its home city generally works. On the contrary there were three NA clubs in Philadelphia for the 1875 season; two in Brooklyn '72, Washington '72, Baltimore '73, Philadelphia '73-74, and St Louis '75.
NA 1872 at baseball-reference
1, 917 runs
1,917 runs
record for 1B career (1865) assists
560 doubles
record for most consecutive years with 75 RBIs (20)
record for most career (128) sacrifice flies
record 11 switch hit HRs
led majors in BA 1990
I added or corrected all of them.
It was already on the plaque.
Interesting, but I'm going to have to say no.
Thanks!
Not really, yest, as long they're not ones that we have gone over a while ago.
Williams Speaker Yaz
Collins Cronin Doerr Foxx
Young Grove
Fisk
Yaz handles the larger and Williams the smaller outfield.
Boggs will be the DH.
Hooper and Ferrell are the others honored. They fit in easily, a genuine Fenway Park right fielder and a second catcher.
Clemens, maybe next in line for a banner, will give them a good three-man pitching staff.
So I was at the ballpark both before and after a no-hitter and I watched the game in the brew pub across the street, Boston Beer Works. I will be very lucky to get closer to a no-hitter than that, unless seeing 7 or 8 no-hit innings from inside the ballpark is closer in another dimension.
Member of one division series winner (1981) and two pennant-winners (1983 and the World Champions of 1993);
mini-pennant winner and division series loser 1981
pennant winner 1982
The Brewers have made the postseason twice and never faced the A's or the Giants. The A's and the Giants have met in the World Series four times. Eckersley's A's won the Bay Series in 1989, but the franchise also met three times when they were stationed in Philly & NY (1905, 1911, 1913). The 1905 Series is remembered for Mathewson's three shutouts, but Bresnahan was the top batter for the Giants in that series. A few years later, Mack's A's beat the McGraw's Giants in two series with Frank Baker earning his nickname by hitting two home runs in 1911 and another in 1913.
Molitor faced Eckersley 43 times batting .310/.310/.714 with 4 HR and 10 RBI.
Far and away, the most famous person to play for all three franchises was Felipe Alou. The others were Ollie Brown, Brad Komminsk, Ernest "Don't Call Me Ernie" Riles and Lary "Don't Call me Larry" Sorenson.
<u>2004 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 17 (Bresnahan, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5T. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
5T. Yankees - 12 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
7. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
8T. Athletics - 10 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
9T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
9T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
9T. Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14T.Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
14T.Red Sox - 6 (JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
16. Orioles - 5 (Murray, Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
30T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
30T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
30T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
30T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
30T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
30T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
30T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
30T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
30T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
30T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
30T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
30T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
30T.Nationals - 1 (GCarter)
30T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
30T.Padres - 1 (Winfield)
30T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
30T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
30T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
30T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
30T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
When I was looking over Molitor's postseason record, I forgot that '81 was the strike season.
As for the year of the Brewers' pennant, I just made a typo.
Thanks, Paul!
thank you John
Usually at this point I put down the times these franchises have met in the postseason, as well as interesting links between the Franchise. This one is tough!
None of these franchises have come close to meeting in the postseason and with 70 years between the folding of the Colonels and the birth of the Expos, no one has
played for all three franchises.
The Colonels were part of a syndicate with the Pittsburgh Pirates, many former Colonels were on the 1903 Pirate squad that lost to the Red Sox in the first World
Series. Jimmy Collins was on that Red Sox squad and he is also the most notable player to play for both the Colonels and the Red Sox. Notable players who played
for the Red Sox and the Expos/Nationals include Andre Dawson, Tony Perez, Jeff Reardon and Pedro Martinez.
In the 20th Century, Louisville was a minor league town, often affiliated (1939-55; 1968-72) with the Red Sox. Including this incarnation, I found at least one
player, Mike Garman, who played for all three.
Dawson and Boggs met in five all-star games (1987-1991), all on opposing teams. Boggs' AL teams won four, Dawson's NL team one.
<u>2005 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 17 (Bresnahan, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 16 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams)
3T. Braves - 13 (Aaron, Barnes, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright)
3T. Indians - 13 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, EWynn)
5T. Cardinals - 12 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith)
5T. Yankees - 12 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth)
7. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker)
8T. Athletics - 10 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell)
8T. Phillies - 10 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Schmidt, Thompson)
9T. Dodgers - 9 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat)
9T. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
9T. Reds - 9 (Bench, CJones, Groh, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush)
9T. White Sox - 9 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Walsh, Wilhelm)
14. Red Sox - 7 (Boggs, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, TWilliams, Yastrzemski)
15. Twins - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew)
16. Orioles - 5 (Murray, Palmer, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace)
17T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
17T.Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson)
17T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung)
17T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
17T.Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells)
24T.Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
24T.Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount)
24T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
24T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
24T.Nationals - 2 (GCarter, Dawson)
24T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
24T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
31T.Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez)
31T.Astros - 1 (JWynn)
31T.Blue Jays - 1 (Stieb)
31T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
31T.Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe)
31T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
31T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
31T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
31T.Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo)
31T.Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey)
31T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
31T.Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning)
31T.Mets - 1 (Seaver)
31T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
31T.Padres - 1 (Winfield)
31T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
31T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
31T.Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
31T.Royals - 1 (Brett)
31T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
We've got another one coming in our first "real-time" election in 2008. The three of them were teammates from 1981 through 1984, and you can include 1979 and 1980 if you want to include Raines the lightly-used pinch-runner.
Yep. Surprisingly, I forgot about the Murph.
He not only has an argument, Sean, but Murphy won it. His only battle is with Dwight Evans for the best ML center fielder honors.
Thanks!
Yeah, but Murphy's peak was more impressive.
I changed it to: A star in Montreal and later in Chicago.
I agree. But given their relative vote totals, others may disagree.
How does Dawson get twice as many votes as Murphy? I guess that's a topic for another thread.
Dawson got twice as many votes as Murphy because he had a muuuch more valuable career while still achieving some semblance of a peak.
Boy, my mind is not working today. Obviously, you're right.
But I would think most of the Dawson voters are peak/prime guys who don't care so much about that.
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