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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, August 02, 2004The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home PageEnter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit. John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway. David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings. Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings. yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy. The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino. For Hall of Meriters A-F, please click here. The current roster (267 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position): Pitchers (74): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Tom Glavine+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Randy Johnson+*, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Greg Maddux+**, Juan Marichal+, Pedro Martinez+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Mike Mussina, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Curt Schilling, Tom Seaver+**, John Smoltz, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*. Catchers (22): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Ivan Rodriguez+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe Torre, Quincy Trouppe and Deacon White+. First Basemen (23): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry+, Frank Thomas+, and Jim Thome+. Second Basemen (23): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+, Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+. Third Basemen (21): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken Boyer, Jimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Chipper Jones+*, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Scott Rolen+, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson. Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+. Left Fielders (24): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+. Center Fielders (28): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, Jim Edmonds, George Gore+, Ken Griffey, Jr.+**, Billy Hamilton+, Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn. Right Fielders (25): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Vladimir Guerrero, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Manny Ramirez+,Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Gary Sheffield, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+. Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+ + first-year candidate honorees (151) * unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (18) ** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (11) 2018 Franchise Cap Standings 1. Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward) 2T. Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams) 2T. Braves - 17 (Aaron, Barnes, Glavine, Jones, Maddux, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Smoltz, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright) 4. Indians - 14 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, Thome, EWynn) 5T. Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth) 5T. Cardinals - 13 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Edmonds, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith) 7T. Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell) 7T. Phillies - 12 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Rolen, Schilling, Schmidt, Thompson) 9T. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker) 9T. Red Sox - 11 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, Martinez, Ramirez, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski) 11T. Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush) 11T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat) 11T. White Sox - 10 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Thomas, Walsh, Wilhelm) 14. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner) 15. Orioles/Browns - 7 (Murray, Mussina, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace) 16. Twins/Senators - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew) 17T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw) 17T. Montreal Expos - 4 (GCarter, Dawson, Guerrero, Raines) 19T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn) 19T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson) 19T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente) 19T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung) 19T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard) 19T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan) 19T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells) 19T Rangers - 3 (K. Brown, Palmeiro, Rodriguez) 27T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan) 27T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson) 27T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb) 27T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount) 27T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start) 27T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop) 27T. Mariners - 2 (Griffey Jr., Martinez) 27T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver) 27T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams) 27T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield) 27T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne) 27T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen) 39T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez) 39T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy) 39T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock) 39T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe) 39T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant) 39T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms) 39T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes) 39T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett) 39T. Diamondbacks - 1 (RJohnson) 39T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo) 39T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey) 39T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston) 39T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning) 39T. Marlins - 1 (Sheffield) 39T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin) 39T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey) 39T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster) 39T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige) 39T Rockies - 1 (Walker) 39T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike) 2018 Cap Standings by City 1. Chicago - 30 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, Thomas, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams) 2. New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams) 3. Philadelphia - 21 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, Roberts, Rolen, Schilling, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell) 4T. Cleveland - 19 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Sewell, Speaker, Thome, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young) 4T. St. Louis - 19 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Edmonds, Frisch, B. Gibson, Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells) 4T. Boston - 19 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, Martinez, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Ramirez, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, G. Wright, Yastrzemski) 7T. Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, Whitaker) 7T. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner) 9. Baltimore - 11 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, Murray, Mussina, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson) 10T. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat) 10T. Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, F. Robinson, Rose, Roush) 12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry) 13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount) 14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen) 14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire) 14T. Atlanta - 5 (Glavine, Jones, Maddux, Niekro, Smoltz) 17T. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton) 17T. Montreal - 4 (Carter, Dawson, Guerrero, Raines) 19T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson) 19T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn) 19T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew) 19T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson) 19T. Arlington - 3 (K. Brown, Palmeiro, Rodriguez) 24T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan) 24T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms) 24T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne) 24T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield) 24T. Seattle – 2 (Griffey Jr., Martinez) 24T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb) 30T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez) 30T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy) 30T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey) 30T. Denver - 1 (Walker) 30T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo) 30T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston) 30T. Louisville – 1 (Browning) 30T. Miami - 1 (Sheffield) 30T. Newark - 1 (Irvin) 30T. Phoenix - 1 (R.Johnson) * Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city. 2018 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital: 1. New York (42) 2. Pennsylvania (35) 3T. Illinois (29) 3T. Ohio (29) 5. Missouri (24) 6. California (20) 7. Massachusetts (19) 8. Michigan (13) 9. Maryland (11) 10T. Wisconsin (6) 10T. Texas (6) 11T. Georgia (5) 12. Quebec (4) 14T. District of Columbia (3) 14T. Minnesota (3) 16T. Cuba (2) 16T. Indiana (2) 16T. Kentucky (2) 16T. New Jersey (2) 16T. Ontario (2) 16T. Rhode Island (2) 16T. Washington (2) 23T. Arizona (1) 23T. Colorado (1) 23T. Florida (1) 23T. Oregon (1)
All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP). Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type. Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque. Here are the plaques for the 2013 inductees: Roger Clemens - 2013 - P Mike Piazza - 2013 - C Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
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Yet the team won 4 World Series in 7 years, with two second place finishes. Pretty wild.
I think even karlmagnus would agree with me that the blame falls on the Red Sox ownership. Who in his right mind would want to give up a Ruth or Speaker in their prime?
With this feat the Homestead Grays jump all the way up into 11th place.
1955 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 8 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hartnett, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
5T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
5T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
9T. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
9T. White Sox - 4 (ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
11T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
11T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
11T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
11T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
11T.Yankees - 3 (Dickey, Gehrig, Ruth)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
24T.Baltimore Black Sox - 1 (JWilson)
24T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
24T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
24T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
24T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
24T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
24T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
24T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
24T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
24T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
24T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
24T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
24T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
24T.Saint Louis Stars - 1 (WWells)
1956 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 8 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hartnett, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
5T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
5T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
5T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10. Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
11T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
11T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
11T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
11T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
11T.Yankees - 3 (Dickey, Gehrig, Ruth)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
25T.Baltimore Black Sox - 1 (JWilson)
25T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
25T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
25T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
25T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
25T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
25T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
25T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
25T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
25T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
25T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
25T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
25T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
1957 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe,
Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 8 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore,
Hartnett, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding,
ESutton, GWright)
4. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank,
Simmons)
5T. Indians - 5 (Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee,
Thompson)
5T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
5T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg,
Heilmann)
5T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
12T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
12T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
12T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
12T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
16T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
You'd better check the last sentence of DiMaggio's plaque. It looks like some the text from Appling's plaque got left behind.
Nice work on Beckwith. One thing: I think, combining some of what I found with Gadfly's notes, his teams can be revised this way: just replace the first three (Chi Union Giants twice, and Havana Stars) with simply this: "Chicago Giants (1918-21, 1925)." Gadfly said that Beckwith's early career was mixed up with that of his brother Stanley, and, IIRC, that Beckwith didn't start playing professionally until 1918. Not sure about the Havana Stars--doesn't Riley say he was their captain--at age 17 (or 15, since Riley still uses the 1902 birthdate)?
Also, I'm pretty sure Beckwith only played with the American Giants in '22 and '23--not Joe Green's Chicago Giants. (He could have played some postseason games or something with Green's team--in '23, for example, he and Charleston played a couple games for the Detroit Stars against the St. Louis Browns.) When he returned to Chicago in late '25, he did hook up with for at least a while.
1958 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
4T. Indians - 6 (Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
6T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
6T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
6T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
12T.Cardinals - 3 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby)
12T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
12T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
12T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
16T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Shouldn't it say: "The current roster (112 total)"?
A terrific fielder, he shared the NL second baseman record for most years leading the league in putouts (seven); he also led the NL at his position three times in fielding average and putouts.
shouldn't the last word be assists
Yes. Thanks, yest.
Shouldn't it say: "The current roster (112 total)"?
I've been adding the same amount for "decades" that I added just two because of the constant repetition over the many months. Thanks, Brent.
Always doublecheck me. As you can tell, I'm just merely human. :-)
Forgive me if I'm repeating someone, but do you have nay plans to move the HoM to another site or add pictures or whatever once the balloting is up to date?
Once again, fantastic work, keep it up!
Forgive me if I'm repeating someone, but do you have nay plans to move the HoM to another site or add pictures or whatever once the balloting is up to date?
We're staying at this site, Joe, but we do have plans for pictures and other things. When that will happen is a good question, though. :-)
I have a few PHOM members who aren't in the HOM, but I'm not sure what cap they should wear. Could you please suggest which cap the following players should have?
Jose Mendez -
Dobie Moore -
Biz Mackey -
Thanks
Moore would get a Kansas City cap, Mackey a Hilldale Daisies, and Mendez a Cuban Stars.
I have Terry leading the NL in assists 6 times 1927-28, 1930-32 and 1936
also I never got a response to adding RF (170 games played)to Goose Goslin’s plaque
and how a bought adding CF (played 128 games in center)to Mel Ott's plaque
I got that info off of BaseballLibrary.com, so they probably made an error there. BTW, where are you getting your information, yest?
also I never got a response to adding RF (170 games played)to Goose Goslin’s plaque
Sorry about that, yest. I'll take care of it right now.
and how a bought adding CF (played 128 games in center)to Mel Ott's plaque
Sounds good. Thanks for your help, yest.
I got it from going year by year for leaders in fielding stats from mlb.com
also I made a typo he led the NL in 1935 not 1936
Good to know, yest. Thanks!
I don't understand this. I fixed this yesterday.
Anyway, thanks again.
At his induction holds numerous career records, including runs, RBI, total bases, hits, doubles and games played.
From Luke Appling's plaque
(retiring with the major league records for most games and double plays at his position, as well as the AL records for putouts and assists).
I think you should include the numbers for these stats here
also can you add to Luke Appling's plaque led the AL in putouts twice, assits 7 times, double plays 3 times, and range factor twice.
John I know I nitpick you the most with the plaques but I really do apreacheate the greatwork you do with them.
Joe did Cap's plaque, so you can blame him for that. :-)
As for Appling, I didn't know those numbers at the time. Now that you pointed out mlb.com, I'll add them sometime today.
also can you add to Luke Appling's plaque led the AL in putouts twice, assits 7 times, double plays 3 times, and range factor twice.
No problem.
John I know I nitpick you the most with the plaques but I really do apreacheate the greatwork you do with them.
Believe me, yest, I don't mind the nitpicking. In fact, I encourage it. Besides not being perfect myself, sometimes the data or information that I'm accessing is wrong. It's good to have other eyes to verify what is being added for each plaque.
I'll see what I have missed.
For a few plaques, though, because of the huge amounts of data (Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, etc.) already there, I don't add everything because the plaques would dwarf the others even more than they do now.
Same for Luke Appling, Bill Dahlen and Frisch (periods where commas should be).
Same for Luke Appling, Bill Dahlen and Frisch (periods where commas should be).
I must be going blind. How I missed that I'll never know.
Thanks, Daryn!
a record twelve batting titles
shouldn't that be 11
shouldn't that be 11
His HOF plaque also says 12. It has to do with the controversial 1910 race for the batting title. Lajoie made a final push for the title thanks to seven bunt-hits in a doubleheader on the final day (the Browns manager had actually ordered his third baseman to play deep to help Lajoie defeat Cobb). I believe the manager got fired due to this ploy.
Anyhow, Cobb sat out the final day to preserve his average and ended up winning .385-.384.
The plot thickened as many years later it was discovered that one of Cobb's games that year was double counted (was this why hist hit total of 4191 became 4189?) and Cobb really only had a .383 average and Lajoie's average was good for the title after all. But, in 1981, Bowie Kuhn ruled that Cobb would keep his 1910 batting title. Whether he didn't want to undo 71 years of history or if this was due to the Lajoie shenanigans I don't know.
from Ty Cobb's plaque
BA (1907-09,1911-15, 1917-19).
Retired with the ML career records for BA (.366), hits (4,189)
how a bought adding this to Homerun Baker’s plaque
led the AL in Putout 7 times, assists twice, double plays 3 times fielding % twice
on Ross Barnes plaque
led the NA in putouts once, assists 4 times, and double plays 3 times
BTW my numbers pre 1900 are from baseballreference.com
Charlie Bennet’s plaque reads
He led the NL many times in putouts, double plays
you can make that putouts 3 times, double plays 3 times
A definition would make it easier, Marc. Good suggestion. BTW, it's based on the amount of games played compared to scheduled games. That way, the Nineteenth Century players wont be punished.
I also noticed that Louis Santop's plaqye says he is credited with a .406 lifetime/career BA. The Holway data in his thread says.318.
I got that from Riley, so that was my first mistake. Thanks for picking that up, Marc. BTW, the Negro League plaques need the most attention due to contradicting evidemce, as evidenced above.
yest:
I'll take care of all of the problems that you mentioned, except for Cobb's batting titles. David expressed my feelings on that subject succinctly.
and BA (1907-09,1911-15, 1917-19)
Retired with the ML career records for BA (.366)
hits (4,189), total bases (5,854), and times on bases (5,532)
it's the controdiction that bothers me not the batting titles though I have no problem with crediting both Cobb on his and Lajoie on his plaque with the batting title due to the contrivorsy a tie would make sense
on a differant note also on Cobb's plaque it says
runs (2.246)
can you make that a comma
in addition can you add to
3 finger Brown's plaque
holds the NL record for career era 2.06 (minnum of 1500 games) also he led the NL in ERA in 1906 which is not on his plaque
Dan Brouthers plaque
your missing in the leaders part slugging percentage (1881-86 and 91 in the AA) and at-bats per strike out (1888-89)
Pete Alexander
youre missing in the leader section ERA (1915-16
1919-20)
Jessie Burkett
his leaders section dosn't have games (1896 1901) at bats (1896 1901)
(2,132), putouts (4.850), assists (7,500),
a comma instead of a period
On Ross Barnes new plaque
The hitting star of the National Association. A great defensive 2B
then a few sentences later you put
As for his fielding, Barnes led the NA in putouts once, assists 4 times, and double plays 3 times
wouldn't placing the putouts ext. info after a great defensive 2B be better.
NL leader for BA, OBP, SLG, Runs, Hits, TB, 2B, 3B, BB, Singles, Adj. OPS+, XBH and Times on Base in 1976.
Should read "...in 1876"
Should read "...in 1876"
Uh,...yes, Rorschach. :-)
Another Joe Dimino mistake. Who does he think he is? Me? :-D
on Fred Clarke's ballot your completly missing the leaders chart
also I noticed you don't put un-ajusted ERA on leaders list I'm assuming it's because it's simaler to ERA+ but since ERA has historicly been the second most looked at stat after wins (I'm not saying that's the way it should be but what is) I think it should be placed on the plaques.
John I'm not sure whether you missed it or didn't have time but the second half of post 27 and post 28 have a few more change/additions.
Done.
on Fred Clarke's ballot your completly missing the leaders chart
Joe did that one, so there's my excuse. :-)
also I noticed you don't put un-ajusted ERA on leaders list I'm assuming it's because it's simaler to ERA+ but since ERA has historicly been the second most looked at stat after wins (I'm not saying that's the way it should be but what is) I think it should be placed on the plaques.
I place it on if there's a record involved, but I'm going to still keep it off the plaques. ERA+ tells a more accurate (though not perfect) story than conventional ERA, IMO. Besides, I do state non-park adjusted stats.
Tell you what. I'll think about it.
John I'm not sure whether you missed it or didn't have time but the second half of post 27 and post 28 have a few more change/additions.
Yup. Totally missed them. Thanks again!
3 finger Brown's plaque
holds the NL record for career era 2.06 (minnum of 1500 games) also he led the NL in ERA in 1906 which is not on his plaque
I'm assuming you meant 1,500 IP instead.
a few more suggestions
Cap Anson
I’m not sure how to put this but he led the NL in 1B putouts 4 times, 1B assists 7 times, and 1B double plays 5 times 3B putouts once, 3B assists once, and 3B double plays twice and he led the NA in 1B assists once, 3B put outs once, and outfield double plays once.
Max Carey
when he retired he held the NL record for the most outfield putouts (6363) (since broken by Mays)
Bob Caruthers
retired with the post NA record for highest winning percentage ever minimum 150 wins
Eddie Collins
most putout 7 times, assists 4 times and double plays 5 times.
holds the AL record for putouts (6526) retired with the major league record for double plays (1215) (since broken numerous times)
after wonder on the basepaths can you put he had 744 steals
also somewhere on his plaque can you mention his 3315 hits
Jimmy Collins
Retired with the major league record for putouts (2372) (since broken by Brooks Robinson)
led the NL in 3B putouts 3 times, assists 3 times and double plays twice Led the AL in putouts twice assists once and double plays once
Roger Connor
led the NL in 1B putouts 3 times, assists 3 times and double plays 4 times and 3B double plays once
Stan Coveleski
was grandfathered in the no spitter rule
Joe Cronin
led in assists 3 times (1929-30 1932)
Bill Dahlen
led in assists 4 times double plays 3 times
Retired with the shortstop major league career records for games (2,132), putouts (4,850), assists (7,500), errors (975)
aren’t we putting only the good things abought a player on his plaque?
George Davis (BTW one day he still might make my PHOM)
he was a fine basestealer how a bought placing the number of steals here
led NL shortstops in putouts once, and double plays once
led AL shortstops in putouts once assists once and double plays 3 times
Led NL outfielders in assists once and NL third baseman in double plays once
Ed Delahanty
I’m not sure how to put this but at the time of his retirement retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
also if Cobb gets the 1910 batting title shouldn’t Delahanty get the 1902
Bill Dickey
led AL catchers in putouts 6 times assists 3 times and double plays once
Buck Ewing
Led NL catchers in putouts once assists 3 times and double plays twice
When Ed Walsh retired He didn't hold either record he regained them later (Walter Johnson had a lower era and hits allowed/9IP) Walsh did get both records at a later date though
I’m not sure how to put this but at the time of his retirement retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
Re: Walsh
When Ed Walsh retired He didn't hold either record he regained them later
Going both ways on this point. Unless the plaque is exceeding short, I don't know whether we need to reach so far to get some of these accomplishments. The Walsh comment could be rephrased (he's *still* the ERA king after all), but Delahanty trailed Keeler by quite a bit at the time of his retirement. No need to reach that far for Ed, in my opinion.
Thanks to John for sifting through all of this stuff.
also I have changes on file for the rest of the plaques how would you prefer I give them to you
I didn't miss them, yest. I just didn't have the time then. I'll work on them tonight.
also I have changes on file for the rest of the plaques how would you prefer I give them to you
Do it the way that you have been so far. Thanks again!
I’m not sure how to put this but at the time of his retirement retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
Re: Walsh
When Ed Walsh retired He didn't hold either record he regained them later
I agree with David here in regard to both men, except I'm going to leave the Walsh plaque as is. We can pretend that they knew about the correct record back then.
No problem, David. I want to make the Plaque Room as accurate as possible.
Retired with the shortstop major league career records for games (2,132), putouts (4,850), assists (7,500), errors (975)
aren’t we putting only the good things abought a player on his plaque?
You're right, yest. That was one of my earliest plaques, so I was still figuring out what should go and shouldn't.
Cap Anson
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever
Dan Brouthers
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever
John Clarkson
record for the most wins in a 10 year period (319 1884-1893)
Ty Cobb
I know you decided to go with 12 batting titles (which personaly I don‘t have a problom with) but can you change the leaders list which currently says this and BA (1907-09,1911-15, 1917-19) to include 1910 which really was my complante the 2 not being consistant
Red Faber
the last legal AL spitter
Frankie Frisch
led in at bats/strikeout 4 times (1923, 1927, 1930, 1934)
Lou Gehrig
record for 100 rbis 13 years in a row
Charlie Gehringer
most double plays 4 times
2nd most 2B assits ever (7068)
Jack Glasscock
most putouts twice, assists 6 times, and double plays 4 times
Goose Goslin
most assists 3 times double plays twice
Heinie Groh
most putouts 3 times(1917-19) and double plays 7 times (1915-20 1922)
On Cap Anson‘s new plaque
A fine fielder, he led all first basemen in his league 5 times in putouts, 8 times in assists, and 6 times in double plays; he also led third basemen twice in double plays and both assists and putouts once
John that’s
A fine fielder, he led all first basemen in his league 4 times in putouts, 8 times in assists, and 5 times in double plays; he also led third basemen twice in both double plays and putouts and assists once in addition to that once in outfield doubleplays
On Bob Caruthers‘s new plaque
(he has the highest winning percentage of any non-NA pitcher with at least 150 wins (.688).
that’s he retired with the highest winning percentage of any non-NA pitcher with at least 150 wins (.688) (Ford‘s higher as are a few active pitchers)
On Eddie Collins‘s and Roger Connor‘s new plaque’s
double playes five times
and (he also led NL third basemen in double playes once
a typo on plays
On Jimmy Collins‘s new plaque
He also led third basemen in his league in putouts 5 times, assists 5 times, and double plays thrice
that’s He also led third basemen in his league in putouts 5 times, assists 4 times, and double plays thrice
On George Davis‘s new plaque
He led shortstops in his league in putouts twice, double plays five times, and assists once, while leading all outfielders in assists once and third basemen in double plays once.
that’s
He led shortstops in his league in putouts twice, double plays four times, and assists once, while leading all outfielders in assists once and third basemen in double plays once.
double playes five times
and (he also led NL third basemen in double playes once
a typo on plays
How the heck did I do that? I've never spelled it that way before.
Thanks again, yest. I'll work on the other corrections sometime this week.
BTW, for the future, just give me corrections for one plaque to work on. It's just too confusing with a whole laundry list of them. Not your fault, mind you, but I'm just getting overwhelmed.
also I have to go away in a few days and I'm not going to have acsses to the internent for around a few weeks
would that make a differance in how to post the changes
would that make a differance in how to post the changes
When you come back, you can submit a new plaque that needs correcting per day. I'll work on the ones that you gave me today within the next couple of days.
1959 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
4T. Indians - 6 (Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
6T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
6T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
6T. Tigers - 5 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann)
6T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
16T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
16T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 2 (Keeler, Kelley)
16T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
16T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
16T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
16T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
16T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
16T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
16T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
16T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
I have Terry leading the NL in assists 6 times 1927-28, 1930-32 and 1936
after further research at retrosheet and Basball referance .com
I found that MLB.com dosn't show George Sisler at all in 1928 though he had 86 assists to Bill Terry's 76.
This is true. Probably some confusion at mlb.com with Sisler switching leagues in mid-season. All 86 assists were indeed NL assists.
I didn't miss them, yest. I just haven't had the time. I'm in the first steps of moving and I need to do some packing, so time is less abundant than normal.
1960 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
4T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
4T. Indians - 6 (Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
17T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
17T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
17T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
17T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
17T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
17T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
17T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
The captain of the famed Baltimore Orioles led his league three times in fielding average and putouts
I have four times for both those stats and twice for double plays (checked more then 1 place this time:?))
I got that tidbit form BaseballLibrary.com, so it's probably wrong. I tried going to MLB.com to verify it, but I was having problems with it yesterday.
BTW, I'll start working on that and your other corrections sometime this week. I have a little more spare time for now.
1961 Franchise Cap Standings
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3T. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
3T. Indians - 7 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
17T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
17T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
17T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
17T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
17T.Dodgers - 2 (Vance, Wheat)
17T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
17T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
17T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
17T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
They'll have #3 all to themselves after Feller is elected in '62.
We just finished up the 1961 elections, meaning al players who were retired by 1955. By 1955 the Yankees were the unquestioned top franchise in baseball, the sport's jewel. Yet they still only have 4 HOMers. Ruffing looks to be #5 pretty soon, but doesn't that seem kinda low?
The Yankees success seems to have been built on guys who were just below this quality but still find players, the Combs, Hoyt, Gomez, Henrich, Gordon, Keller, Rizzuto type player.
Looking forward, I don't think they beat the Giants even though they have been unquestionably better, even with the Giants extra thirty years or so.
I'll thrown in that we misspelled "Arky" in the election year list when he got in...
Cap Anson
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever
Dan Brouthers
one time holder of the highest batting avg, obp, and slugging% ever
I didn't include this since they didn't retire with those records, except for Brouthers with the career SLG record.
Charlie Gehringer
most double plays 4 times
2nd most 2B assits ever (7068)
I included the first part, but not the second. Did Gehringer retire with that record?
You can add more corrections now, but please don't overwhelm me. :-) Thanks for your help.
I'll thrown in that we misspelled "Arky" in the election year list when he got in...
Which thread are you referring to, Howie?
I saw that. Looks pretty slick!
I know I already got the response to these suggestions but these should oviod the origanal problems
Ed Dehalany
can you still put on his 346 career batting avg seeing how it was retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
I never got a response to the 1902 batting title
Ed Walsh
I agree with David here in regard to both men, except I'm going to leave the Walsh plaque as is. We can pretend that they knew about the correct record back then.
I agree you should mention the records but instead of Retired with the major league career records for lowest career ERA (1.82) and hits allowed/9IP (7.12).
you could say
holds the major league career records for lowest career ERA (1.82) and held the record for the lowest hits allowed/9IP (7.12).
Isn't the total up to 117 now?
Yes, it is, Brent. Thanks!
How a bought puting the number for players at that position by the position
Funny, but I thought the same thing when I saw the top of this page this morning before I saw your post, yest. You know what they say about great minds, right? :-)
What is the backstory on this, yest?
can you still put on his 346 career batting avg seeing how it was retroactively had the highest batting average ever for a complete career
Done.
Done.
Wait, Delahanty was behind Keeler, so I would say no to adding that. I will mention his BA, though.
In regard to Walsh, I'm going to keep the plaque as is. It's just going to be confusing otherwise.
BTW, if another old record is changed, I will revise the plaque in the same way. We don't need to get too obsessive that we have to meet 100% historical accuracy for each plaque.
What is the backstory on this, yest?
The HOF plaques of both Delahanty and Lajoie indicate that Delahanty won the AL batting title in 1902 while Lajoie did not.
Current tabulations show that Lajoie had a higher batting average. I don't know when that occurred. Was there an error that was fixed? Was Lajoie deemed eligible after the fact while at the fact they had assumed he had not played enough to qualify? Lajoie's playing time was limited due to issues with his jumping leagues. I believe he had to stay out of games in Philadelphia or stay out of PHI/CLE games.
There are some similarities between this case and the Cobb/Lajoie case of 1910. In both cases, Lajoie was not granted the title at first but was found to be the leader much later.
On the other hand, there was shenanigans involved in how Lajoie had been given hits in his final game in 1910 which the league was aware about at the time. Bowie Kuhn specifically ruled that Cobb should keep the 1910 title perhaps in part due to the shenanigans.
I have not heard anything about the 1902 title. If it was a simple mistake, then it's probably good to correct it to get it right and give it to Lajoie. I don't know if there were also shenanigans involved there, though.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with their eligabilty
here's their relivant 1902 stats
Nap 87 games, 352 at bats, 133 hits, 378 batting avg.
Big Ed 123 games, 473 at bats, 178 hits, 376 batting avg.
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