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Hall of Merit — A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best Monday, August 02, 2004The Baseball Hall of Merit Plaque Room: Home PageEnter here to see the players that have been immortalized in the Hall of Merit. John Murphy was the curator of the Plaque Room and creator (with Ryan Wagman’s help) of the plaques. As of 2011 the creator of the plaques is theorioleway. David Foss is in charge of the franchise cap standings. Devin McCullen provides the city and state cap standings. yest helps us out double-checking the plaques for accuracy. The whole process is overseen by our commissioner and founder Joe Dimino. For Hall of Meriters A-F, please click here. The current roster (267 total) includes (in alphabetical order for each position): Pitchers (74): Pete Alexander+, Kevin Brown+, Bert Blyleven+, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown+, Jim Bunning+, Steve Carlton+, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson+, Roger Clemens+**, Stan Coveleski, David Cone, Martín Dihigo+, Don Drysdale+, Dennis Eckersley+, Red Faber+, Bob Feller+, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford+, Rube Foster, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson+, Tom Glavine+, Rich Gossage+, Clark Griffith, Lefty Grove+*, Carl Hubbell+, Walter Johnson+*, Fergie Jenkins, Randy Johnson+*, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax+, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Greg Maddux+**, Juan Marichal+, Pedro Martinez+, Christy Mathewson+**, Joe McGinnity, José Méndez, Mike Mussina, Hal Newhouser+, Kid Nichols+, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige+, Jim Palmer+, Gaylord Perry+, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Rick Reuschel, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts+, Bullet Rogan+, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie+, Nolan Ryan, Bret Saberhagen, Curt Schilling, Tom Seaver+**, John Smoltz, Warren Spahn+, Al Spalding, Dave Stieb, Don Sutton+, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh+, Hoyt Wilhelm+, Smokey Joe Williams, Early Wynn and Cy Young+*. Catchers (22): Johnny Bench+, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra+, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella+, Gary Carter+, Mickey Cochrane+, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing+, Carlton Fisk+, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson+, Gabby Hartnett+, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Mike Piazza+, Ivan Rodriguez+, Louis Santop+, Ted Simmons+, Joe Torre, Quincy Trouppe and Deacon White+. First Basemen (23): Cap Anson+, Jeff Bagwell+, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers+**, Will Clark+, Roger Connor+, Jimmie Foxx+, Lou Gehrig+*, Hank Greenberg+, Keith Hernandez+, Harmon Killebrew+, Buck Leonard+, Willie McCovey+, Mark McGwire+, Johnny Mize+, Eddie Murray+, Rafael Palmeiro, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry+, Frank Thomas+, and Jim Thome+. Second Basemen (23): Roberto Alomar+, Ross Barnes+, Craig Biggio+, Rod Carew+, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer+, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich+, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby+**, Nap Lajoie+, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan+, Willie Randolph, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson+, Ryne Sandberg+, and Lou Whitaker+. Third Basemen (21): Dick Allen+, Frank Baker+, John Beckwith, Wade Boggs+*, George Brett+**, Ken Boyer, Jimmy Collins, Darrell Evans+, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Chipper Jones+*, Eddie Mathews+, John McGraw, Paul Molitor+, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Scott Rolen+, Ron Santo+, Mike Schmidt+*, Ezra Sutton, and Jud Wilson. Shortstops (26): Luke Appling+, Ernie Banks+, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen+, George Davis+, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin+, John Henry Lloyd, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese+, Cal Ripken, Jr.+**, Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith+, Alan Trammell+, Arky Vaughan+, Honus Wagner+*, Bobby Wallace, John Ward+, Willie Wells, George Wright and Robin Yount+. Left Fielders (24): Jesse Burkett, Barry Bonds+*, Fred Clarke+, Ed Delahanty+, Goose Goslin, Rickey Henderson+*, Monte Irvin, Charley Jones, Charlie Keller, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial+*, Tim Raines+, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons+, Willie Stargell+, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat+, Billy Williams, Ted Williams+*, and Carl Yastrzemski+. Center Fielders (28): Richie Ashburn+, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston+, Ty Cobb+, Andre Dawson, Joe DiMaggio+*, Larry Doby+, Jim Edmonds, George Gore+, Ken Griffey, Jr.+**, Billy Hamilton+, Pete Hill+, Paul Hines+ , Mickey Mantle+*, Willie Mays+*, Alejandro Oms, Jim O’Rourke+, Lip Pike, Edd Roush, Duke Snider+, Tris Speaker+, Turkey Stearnes+, Cristóbal Torriente and Jimmy Wynn. Right Fielders (25): Hank Aaron+*, Roberto Clemente+, Sam Crawford**, Dwight Evans+, Elmer Flick, Tony Gwynn+, Harry Heilmann, Vladimir Guerrero, Joe Jackson, Reggie Jackson+, Al Kaline+, Willie Keeler, King Kelly+, Mel Ott+, Manny Ramirez+,Frank Robinson+**, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth+*, Gary Sheffield, Enos Slaughter+, Reggie Smith, Sam Thompson, Larry Walker+, Paul Waner+ and Dave Winfield+. Designated Hitters (1): Edgar Martinez+ + first-year candidate honorees (151) * unanimously first on each voter’s ballot (18) ** placed in “elect me” ballot positions on each voter’s ballot, but not unanimously in first (11) 2018 Franchise Cap Standings 1. Giants - 19 (Bonds, Bresnahan, WClark, Connor, GDavis, DaEvans, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Marichal, Mathewson, WMays, McCovey, McGinnity, Ott, GPerry, Rusie, Terry, Ward) 2T. Cubs - 17 (Anson, Banks, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Jenkins, KKelly, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, BiWilliams) 2T. Braves - 17 (Aaron, Barnes, Glavine, Jones, Maddux, Mathews, McVey, Nichols, PNiekro, O'Rourke, Smoltz, Spahn, Spalding, ESutton, Torre, DWhite, GWright) 4. Indians - 14 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Lemon, JSewell, Speaker, Thome, EWynn) 5T. Yankees - 13 (Berra, Dickey, Dimaggio, WFord, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Keller, Mantle, Nettles, Randolph, Ruffing, Ruth) 5T. Cardinals - 13 (KBoyer, Caruthers, Edmonds, Frisch, BGibson, KHernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, TSimmons, Slaughter, OSmith) 7T. Athletics - 12 (FBaker, Cochrane, Eckersley, Fingers, Foxx, Grove, Henderson, McGwire, Plank, ReJackson, ASimmons, Waddell) 7T. Phillies - 12 (Alexander, DAllen, Ashburn, Carlton, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, RRoberts, Rolen, Schilling, Schmidt, Thompson) 9T. Tigers - 11 (Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Trammell, Whitaker) 9T. Red Sox - 11 (Boggs, Clemens, JCollins, Doerr, DwEvans, Fisk, Martinez, Ramirez, RSmith, TWilliams, Yastrzemski) 11T. Reds - 10 (Bench, CJones, Groh, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, FRobinson, Rose, Roush) 11T. Dodgers - 10 (Campanella, Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, PWReese, JRobinson, Snider, DSutton, Vance, Wheat) 11T. White Sox - 10 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Fox, Lyons, Minoso, BPierce, Thomas, Walsh, Wilhelm) 14. Pirates - 9 (Beckley, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, Kiner, Stargell, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner) 15. Orioles/Browns - 7 (Murray, Mussina, Palmer, Ripken, BRobinson, Sisler, Wallace) 16. Twins/Senators - 6 (Blyleven, Carew, Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson, Killebrew) 17T. Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 4 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw) 17T. Montreal Expos - 4 (GCarter, Dawson, Guerrero, Raines) 19T. Astros - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, JWynn) 19T. Buffalo Bisons - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson) 19T. Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente) 19T. Cleveland Spiders - 3 (Burkett, Childs, CYoung) 19T. Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard) 19T. Kansas City Monarchs - 3 (WBrown, DMoore, Rogan) 19T. Saint Louis Stars - 3 (CPBell, Suttles, WWells) 19T Rangers - 3 (K. Brown, Palmeiro, Rodriguez) 27T. Angels - 2 (Grich, NRyan) 27T. Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson) 27T. Blue Jays - 2 (Alomar, Stieb) 27T. Brewers - 2 (Molitor, Yount) 27T. Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start) 27T. Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop) 27T. Mariners - 2 (Griffey Jr., Martinez) 27T. Mets - 2 (Cone, Seaver) 27T. New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams) 27T. Padres - 2 (Gwynn, Winfield) 27T. Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne) 27T. Royals - 2 (Brett, Saberhagen) 39T. Almendares Blues - 1 (JMendez) 39T. Atlantic City Bacharach Giants - 1 (Lundy) 39T. Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock) 39T. Cleveland Buckeyes - 1 (QTrouppe) 39T. Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant) 39T. Cuban Stars East - 1 (Oms) 39T. Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes) 39T. Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett) 39T. Diamondbacks - 1 (RJohnson) 39T. Habana Reds - 1 (Dihigo) 39T. Hilldale Daisies - 1 (Mackey) 39T. Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston) 39T. Louisville Colonels - 1 (Browning) 39T. Marlins - 1 (Sheffield) 39T. Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin) 39T. Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey) 39T. Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster) 39T. Pittsburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige) 39T Rockies - 1 (Walker) 39T. Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike) 2018 Cap Standings by City 1. Chicago - 30 (Anson, Appling, Banks, M. Brown, J. Clarkson, E. Collins, Dahlen, Faber, B. Foster, Fox, Gore, Griffith, Hack, Hartnett, Herman, Hill, Jenkins, Kelly, Lyons, Minoso, Pierce, Reuschel, Sandberg, Santo, Sheckard, Thomas, Torriente, Walsh, Wilhelm, Bi. Williams) 2. New York - 29 (Berra, Bresnahan, Cone, Connor, G. Davis, Dickey, DiMaggio, Ewing, Ford, Gehrig, Gordon, Gossage, Hubbell, Keefe, Keller, Lloyd, Mantle, Mathewson, McGinnity, Nettles, Ott, Randolph, Ruffing, Rusie, Ruth, Seaver, Terry, Ward, J. Williams) 3. Philadelphia - 21 (Alexander, Allen, Ashburn, Baker, Carlton, Cochrane, Delahanty, R. Foster, Foxx, Grove, Hamilton, Magee, Plank, Roberts, Rolen, Schilling, Schmidt, A. Simmons, H. Stovey, Thompson, Waddell) 4T. Cleveland - 19 (Averill, Boudreau, Burkett, Childs, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, W. Ferrell, Flick, Glasscock, J. Jackson, Lajoie, Lemon, Sewell, Speaker, Thome, Trouppe, E. Wynn, Young) 4T. St. Louis - 19 (Bell, Boyer, Caruthers, Edmonds, Frisch, B. Gibson, Hernandez, Hornsby, Medwick, Mize, Musial, Pike, T. Simmons, Sisler, Slaughter, Smith, Suttles, Wallace, Wells) 4T. Boston - 19 (Barnes, Boggs, Clemens, J. Collins, Doerr, Dw. Evans, Fisk, Martinez, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Ramirez, Smith, Spalding, E. Sutton, White, T. Williams, G. Wright, Yastrzemski) 7T. Detroit - 13 (Bennett, Bunning, Cobb, Crawford, Freehan, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Kaline, Newhouser, Stearnes, Trammell, Whitaker) 7T. Pittsburgh - 13 (Beckley, R. Brown, Carey, Clarke, Clemente, J. Gibson, Kiner, B. Leonard, Paige, Stargell, Vaughan, Wagner, Waner) 9. Baltimore - 11 (Beckwith, Jennings, Keeler, Kelley, McGraw, Murray, Mussina, Palmer, Ripken, B. Robinson, Wilson) 10T. Brooklyn* - 10 (Campanella, G. Johnson, Pearce, Reese, J. Robinson, Santop, Snider, Start, Vance, Wheat) 10T. Cincinnati - 10 (Bench, Groh, Jones, Larkin, McPhee, Morgan, Rixey, F. Robinson, Rose, Roush) 12. San Francisco - 7 (Bonds, Clark, Da. Evans, Marichal, Mays, McCovey, G. Perry) 13. Milwaukee - 6 (Aaron, Mathews, Molitor, Spahn, Torre, Yount) 14T. Kansas City - 5 (Brett, W. Brown, Moore, Rogan, Saberhagen) 14T. Oakland - 5 (Eckersley, Fingers, Henderson, R. Jackson, McGwire) 14T. Atlanta - 5 (Glavine, Jones, Maddux, Niekro, Smoltz) 17T. Los Angeles - 4 (Drysdale, Koufax, Piazza, D. Sutton) 17T. Montreal - 4 (Carter, Dawson, Guerrero, Raines) 19T. Buffalo - 3 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson) 19T. Houston - 3 (Bagwell, Biggio, J. Wynn) 19T. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 3 (Blyleven, Carew, Killebrew) 19T. Washington, DC - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, W. Johnson) 19T. Arlington - 3 (K. Brown, Palmeiro, Rodriguez) 24T. Anaheim* - 2 (Grich, N. Ryan) 24T. N/A - 2 (F. Grant, Oms) 24T. Providence - 2 (Hines, Radbourne) 24T. San Diego – 2 (Gwynn, Winfield) 24T. Seattle – 2 (Griffey Jr., Martinez) 24T. Toronto – 2 (Alomar, Stieb) 30T. Almendares* - 1 (Mendez) 30T. Atlantic City – 1 (Lundy) 30T. Darby, PA* - 1 (Mackey) 30T. Denver - 1 (Walker) 30T. Havana - 1 (Dihigo) 30T. Indianapolis - 1 (Charleston) 30T. Louisville – 1 (Browning) 30T. Miami - 1 (Sheffield) 30T. Newark - 1 (Irvin) 30T. Phoenix - 1 (R.Johnson) * Cities marked with an asterisk could be considered to be part of another city. 2018 Cap Standings by State, Province, Foreign Country (if there is no knowm state or province) or U.S. Capital: 1. New York (42) 2. Pennsylvania (35) 3T. Illinois (29) 3T. Ohio (29) 5. Missouri (24) 6. California (20) 7. Massachusetts (19) 8. Michigan (13) 9. Maryland (11) 10T. Wisconsin (6) 10T. Texas (6) 11T. Georgia (5) 12. Quebec (4) 14T. District of Columbia (3) 14T. Minnesota (3) 16T. Cuba (2) 16T. Indiana (2) 16T. Kentucky (2) 16T. New Jersey (2) 16T. Ontario (2) 16T. Rhode Island (2) 16T. Washington (2) 23T. Arizona (1) 23T. Colorado (1) 23T. Florida (1) 23T. Oregon (1)
All Negro League awards mentioned on the plaques are from John Holway’s The Complete Book of Baseball’s Negro Leagues (Fleet Walker Award = MVP; George Stovey Award = Cy Young Award; Rube Foster Award = Playoff MVP). Primary positions on the plaques will be distinguished from secondary positions on all plaques by bold type. Seasons are calculated this way: (Games Played/Team’s Scheduled Games). Each result is added up for each season to get the final number shown on each plaque. Here are the plaques for the 2013 inductees: Roger Clemens - 2013 - P Mike Piazza - 2013 - C Craig Biggio - 2013 - 2B/C/CF JoeD has the Imperial March Stuck in His Head
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I'm curious why you picked second base as Dihigo's primary position? He played so many positions that it's obviously difficult to single out any one, but if I had to pick one primary position it would be pitcher. From about 1932 on, Dihigo was pretty much a full-time pitcher first and then a utility position player in the games he wasn't pitching.
led in outfield doubleplays once
Lou Boudreau
double playes
typo
Bill Dickey
after hit many homers later in his career can you put (212 for his career)
his lifetime 313 batting avg
record for the highest batting avg for a catcher in a season (362 in 1936)
As you pointed out, it's difficult pigeonholing him into one position. What I did was use Holway's order of preference for Dihigo's positions, but I think he was only dealing with Negro League seasons (excluding Cuba, Venezuela, and Santo Domingo).
Your post makes sense, so I'll make the proper changes.
led in outfield doubleplays once
It was already there, yest.
Lou Boudreau
double playes
typo
Boy, that annoys me. The "S" is next to the "E" on my keyboard, so maybe that's my problem. The damn spell-check should have caught it any rate (unless there is a word spelled playe?)
Bill Dickey
after hit many homers later in his career can you put (212 for his career)
his lifetime 313 batting avg
record for the highest batting avg for a catcher in a season (362 in 1936)
Done.
Looks like a Shakespeare spelling -- and he did write many playes.
John I did these changes a few weeks ago so the changes are based on what was there at the time
a few more suggestions
Lefty Grove
ERA= (152) ERA+ (152)
Stan Hack
most double plays 4 times
Billy Hamilton
one time holder of the highest obp ever
Billy Herman
most double plays 4 times
Maybe. It's still weird.
BTW, Three Finger Brown's and Burkett's plaques have been updated.
yest, I made those changes.
the leaders section is divided in to 2 parts
Joe Jackson
how a bought mentioning his 356 batting avg.
Walter Johnson
the holder of the lowest era ever 1.60 after the 1913 season (minumum 1500 IP)
Willie Keeler
the only player to ever have a batting avg over 380
the leaders section is divided in to 2 parts
I'll clean that up when I update his plaque in the next week. That's a combination of Joe's and my handiwork, so that's why it's not seamless.
Joe Jackson
how a bought mentioning his 356 batting avg.
Done.
Walter Johnson
the holder of the lowest era ever 1.60 after the 1913 season (minumum 1500 IP)
Willie Keeler
the only player to ever have a batting avg over 380
I'm going to say ixnay on these two. If they didn't retire with them, I wont post them. Just too much information.
Napoleon Lajoie
one time holder of the highest batting avg and slugging % ever
3242 hits
it’s 657 career doubles not 697
most NL putouts once and double plays once most AL putouts 4 times, assists 3 times, and double plays 5 times
Bid McPhee
Most AA putouts 4 times most AA assists 4 times
Most NL putouts 4 times most NL assists twice
(BTW the most double plays 11 times is a record Maz is next with 8)
Jim O’Rourke
his link doesn’t work
got the the NL’s first hit
“John’s favorite player” Pearce
Most SS double plays in 1871(35 years old) most SS assists 1874-1875 (38 and 39 years old)
Napoleon Lajoie
one time holder of the highest batting avg and slugging % ever
3242 hits
it’s 657 career doubles not 697
most NL putouts once and double plays once most AL putouts 4 times, assists 3 times, and double plays 5 times
Done, except I phrased your first addition a lttle differently.
Bid McPhee
Most AA putouts 4 times most AA assists 4 times
Most NL putouts 4 times most NL assists twice
(BTW the most double plays 11 times is a record Maz is next with 8)
Done.
Jim O’Rourke
his link doesn’t work
got the the NL’s first hit
Done, though I don't know why you had a problem with O'Rourke's since it worked for me.
“John’s favorite player” Pearce
Most SS double plays in 1871(35 years old) most SS assists 1874-1875 (38 and 39 years old)
:-) He's not my favorite all-time (Lou Gehrig owns that spot), but he might be my favorite 19th Century player.
As always, thanks!
I'll make a link from baseballlibrary.com for him instead.
Charley Radbourn
mentioning his “Old Hoss” somewhere on the plaque
NL record for most strikeouts in a season (441) mentioning the 59 wins is a ML record
Amos Rusie
incomplete leaders list
partly responsible for moving back the mound
Jim Sheckard
most outfield putouts once, assists 3 times, and double plays twice
Tris Speaker
he retired with the ML record for most outfield putouts not just the AL (I‘m assuming you meant currently holds the AL record)(Willie Mays beat Speaker but Speaker’s second)
can you mention his 3514 hits
AL record for most outfield assists in a season (35)(1909 and 1912)
most outfield putouts 7 times (an AL record), assists, 3 times, and double plays 6 times
I agree that it should be the way you suggested. Thanks!
a few more suggestions
Charley Radbourn
mentioning his “Old Hoss” somewhere on the plaque
NL record for most strikeouts in a season (441) mentioning the 59 wins is a ML record
Amos Rusie
incomplete leaders list
partly responsible for moving back the mound
I did the Rabourn additions and beefed up the Rusie leader information. I decided to leave out the tidbit about Rusie and the mound, though. Not that I disagree with you about it being there (I don't), but I want to wait until I expand upon his plaque later on (his and Radbourn's plaque are early ones and look scrawny compared to later ones). I need some time when I combine Joe's info with my additions so they will be practically seamless.
After I update Rusie's plaque, remind me if I forget to mention the pitching mound trivia.
Jim Sheckard
most outfield putouts once, assists 3 times, and double plays twice
Tris Speaker
he retired with the ML record for most outfield putouts not just the AL (I‘m assuming you meant currently holds the AL record)(Willie Mays beat Speaker but Speaker’s second)
can you mention his 3514 hits
AL record for most outfield assists in a season (35)(1909 and 1912)
most outfield putouts 7 times (an AL record), assists, 3 times, and double plays 6 times
Done. I agree with the OF putouts record for Speaker - it should be ML, not AL, for the plaque. Thanks, yest!
Joe Start
most 1B putouts 4 times (1877-78 1880 1882) assits twice (1873-74)
Harry Stovey
why’s the “and” in bold
Sam Thompson
holds the career record for .373 runs produced per game
never had a full a full season with out 100 runs
Bobby Wallace
He also led the AL in fielding percentage three times and assists twice
he also led the NL in assists once, and double plays once
Paul Waner
The sixth player to reach three-thousand hits
after this can you put (3512 hits)
also he was the 7th after Anson, Wagner, Lajoie, Cobb, Speaker, and Collins (I‘m assuming where you got this from they didn‘t include Anson)
yest,
Where/how at mlb.com do you look up past career leaders?
Example: career leader in shortstop assists through 1945
2.
All,
For a fielding rate statistics such as assists per game (not yet included here, I think), what should be the threshold number of games (or number of assists, but games is traditional) for season and career rankings?
3.
John!Murphy,
In the fancy version of the Hall of Merit, with portraits, autographs, and so on, perhaps there should be a systematic treatment of each member's career rank in statistical categories upon retirement, as well as single-season leaderships (yest's focus) and alltime season and career records.
yest,
Where/how at mlb.com do you look up past career leaders?
Example: career leader in shortstop assists through 1945
2.
All,
For a fielding rate statistics such as assists per game (not yet included here, I think), what should be the threshold number of games (or number of assists, but games is traditional) for season and career rankings?
3.
John!Murphy,
In the fancy version of the Hall of Merit, with portraits, autographs, and so on, perhaps there should be a systematic treatment of each member's career rank in statistical categories upon retirement, as well as single-season leaderships (yest's focus) and alltime season and career records.
a) when he attained his full-career total, whence a second date is given, or
b) when someone else surpassed him.
For example, Tom York is the leader thru 1875 (when this record begins) with 273 games, increasing to 963 games thru 1885 (his career total). Paul Hines broke that record in 1886, with 1000 at season's end, increasing to 1376 thru 1891 (his career total). 1892 is not represented by a number or a comma(skip a year) but the 1893 date for O'Rourke shows that Hines still held the record at end 1892.
OUTFIELDING TOTALS
ALL-TIME CAREER LEADERS AT END OF EACH SEASON
Games
1875 York 273,340,396,458,539,592,677,,941,963 -1885
1886 Hines 1000,,,,,1376 -1891
1893 O'Rourke 1444 -1893
1895 Brown 1537,1653,1768,1783 -1898
1902 Ryan 1829,1943 -1903
1905 Burkett 2053 -1905
1910 Clarke 2085,2186,,2188,2189 - 1914
1915 Crawford 2217,2299 -1916
1923 Cobb 2407,,,2722,,2934 - 1928
Putouts
1875 York 736,889,1019,1108,1222,1316,1475,,1905,1946 -1885
1886 Hines 2004,,,,,,2694 -1891
1894 Brown 2799,3073,3335,3587,3623 -1898
1901 Hoy 3809,3958 -1902
1905 Burkett 3961 -1905
1909 Clarke 4288,4572,4788,,4790 -1913
1922 Speaker 5002,5371,5694,,6399,,6788 - 1928
1971 Mays 6854,,7095 -1973
Assists
1875 Leonard 44,50,55,63
1879 Shaffer 100,135,159,,,241,,273,,,,,290 -1892
1894 Brown 307,323,330,347,348 -1898
1900 Ryan 352,,368,375 - 1903
1924 Speaker 393,,429,,449 - 1928
Errors
1875 Leonard 113
1876 Treacy 143
1877 York 149,164,178,185,214,,,288,297 -1885
1886 Hines 297,,,,,385 -1991
1893 Brown 393,427,445,466,487,490 -1898
Double Plays
1875 Treacy 11
1876 Pike 13,14
1877 Eggler 14
1878 Remsen 17,18
1880 Hines 20,26,,,37,42,,,46,,,,56 -1891
1893 Brown 65,73,78,80,85,85 -1898
1918 Speaker 85,91,99,,107,114,117,,133,,139 - 1928
Tom Brown held all five records, 1895 to 1899.
Honorable mention to Jimmy Sheckard, who retired second in assists and double plays.
There may be some clerical errors here, but most likely in the particular numbers rather than the succession of leaders.
Only days ago, I did this for outfielding only, using lahman_52. Is it available elsewhere?
Where/how at mlb.com do you look up past career leaders?
Example: career leader in shortstop assists through 1945
I don't I take the career list from total baseball and eliminate all the years after that date and double/triple check for mistakes
MLB.com has trouble adding up players who played for more than one team in a career but for some reason it adds them for a single season exept when they change leauges
they also don't show teams that don't exict today
the retrosheet players page also show fielding leaders.
John!Murphy,
In the fancy version of the Hall of Merit, with portraits, autographs, and so on, perhaps there should be a systematic treatment of each member's career rank in statistical categories upon retirement, as well as single-season leaderships (yest's focus) and alltime season and career records.
That sounds like a good idea, Paul.
Joe Start
most 1B putouts 4 times (1877-78 1880 1882) assits twice (1873-74)
Done.
Harry Stovey
why’s the “and” in bold
Because I wanted to stress the point that he was the best slugger-speedster of his time.
Sam Thompson
holds the career record for .373 runs produced per game
never had a full a full season with out 100 runs
I didn't include your runs produced tidbit because we haven't used that anywhere else, but I did add some info about his runs and ribbies.
Bobby Wallace
He also led the AL in fielding percentage three times and assists twice
he also led the NL in assists once, and double plays once
Done.
Paul Waner
The sixth player to reach three-thousand hits
after this can you put (3512 hits)
also he was the 7th after Anson, Wagner, Lajoie, Cobb, Speaker, and Collins (I‘m assuming where you got this from they didn‘t include Anson)
Done. BTW, you're right about the "sixth player to reach three-thousand hits" observation. I picked that up somewhere where they don't count Anson as a member of that group.
Thanks again!
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Monte Ward
only playe to have 2000 hits and 100 wins
most 2B assists once
Led the NL in shortstop putouts twice, and double plays once
Led the PL in shortstop putouts and assists
Zack Wheat
his link gives you Walter Johnson
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played, at bats, hits, doubles, triples and total bases.
can you make that
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played (2322), at bats (8859), hits (2804), doubles (464), triples (171) and total bases (4003).
Deacon White
Led the NA in catcher putouts 3 times, assists once, and double plays once
George Wright
Led the NA in SS putouts 3 times, assists twice, and double plays 4 times
Led the NL in SS putouts twice, assists twice, and double plays twice
Monte Ward
only playe to have 2000 hits and 100 wins
most 2B assists once
Led the NL in shortstop putouts twice, and double plays once
Led the PL in shortstop putouts and assists
Zack Wheat
his link gives you Walter Johnson
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played, at bats, hits, doubles, triples and total bases.
can you make that
He also holds the all-time Brooklyn club records for games played (2322), at bats (8859), hits (2804), doubles (464), triples (171) and total bases (4003).
Deacon White
Led the NA in catcher putouts 3 times, assists once, and double plays once
George Wright
Led the NA in SS putouts 3 times, assists twice, and double plays 4 times
Led the NL in SS putouts twice, assists twice, and double plays twice
You're welcome.
Nothing but outfielding, I'm sorry to say.
# Posted by yest on October 10, 2005 at 05:42 PM (#1675189)
John for some reason the italics bottun dosn't work on my computer.
Apparently, the italic button merely inserts an open -italic or a close-italic tag, depending which appears most recently, at the end of the composition window. It doesn't italicize the selected text.
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On my A.M. visit, there was a live preview. This evening, there is none. I'm guessing that the switch from square to angle brackets, for html tags, is universal.
Bill Terry
most assists 5 times not 6
sorry a bout the mistake see post 50- 52 if your interested how the mistake was made
also here are the other HoMer putouts, assists, and double plays leaders I listed these sepratley because I couldn't careless whether they were on their plaques or not due to their not leading a lot of times or their was a lot on the plaques already
unless otherwise stated there all for their main positions
Dan Brouthers putouts once, and double plays once
Jesse Burkett putouts once
Fred Clarke putouts once
Ty Cobb putouts once, assists twice, and double plays 4 times
Sam Crawford double plays once
Joe DiMaggio putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
Elmer Flick assists once
Jimmie Foxx putouts once, and assists 3 times
Frankie Frisch putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
Lou Gehrig putouts twice, assists once, and double plays once
Hank Greenberg putouts twice, and assists twice
Billy Hamilton putouts once
Harry Heilmann assists once
Paul Hines double plays once
Rogers Hornsby 2B putouts twice, assists twice, double plays 3 times, and SS double plays once
King Kelly C assists once, and outfield double plays once
Jim O’Rourke 1B putouts once, and double plays once
Mel Ott assists twice, and double plays twice
Lip Pike outfield double plays twice
Hardy Richardson 2B putouts once, 3B double plays once, and outfield double plays once
Al Simmons putouts once
Harry Stovey 1B assists once
Sam Thompson assists twice, and double plays twice
Honus Wagner SS putouts twice, and double plays 4 times
Paul Waner assits once and double plays twice
Zack Wheat putouts once
<pre>gLF
1875 Cuthbert245,308
1876 York308 ... 893 -1885
1888 Dalrymple912
1889 Hornung975,1051 -1890
1891 Wood1170,1192 -1892
1900 Burkett1229,,,,,1935 -1905
1909 Clarke1961 ... 2183 -1915
1926 Wheat2271,2328 -1927
2001 Henderson2354,2403,2421 -2003
2004 Bonds2476,2489
(Lou Brock only 2164)
gCF
1875 Eggler256,293,326
1878 Remsen380,406
1881 Hines466 ... 1303 -1891
1897 Griffin1325,1459 -1898
1899 Hoy1522 ... 1726 -1902
1920 Speaker1750 ... 2690 -1928
1971 Mays2722 ... 2827 -1973
gRF
1875 Bechtel156,170 -1876
1876 Addy183 -1877
1878 Higham214 -1878
1880 Shaffer281 ... 712 -1886
1889 Wolf767 ... 1026 -1892
1893 Thompson1040 ... 1393 -1898
1903 Donovan1493,1613,1613
1906 Keeler1725 ... 2013 -1910
1924 Hooper2068,2192 -1925
1943 Waner2225,2256 -1944
1972 Clemente2302
(Henry Aaron only 2184, Tony Gwynn only 2144)
Hank Greenberg putouts twice, and assists twice
For first basemen?
Frankie Frisch putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
For second basemen?
Thanks again!
Gotcha.
BTW Paul, thanks for the later lists! I really appreciate them.
Good catch, yest.
But it is still lacking 5 home runs from his career total.
Joe still hasn't acknowledged his election ;-)
> Connor's plaque has a little more "gravitas" now.
But it is still lacking 5 home runs from his career total.
Ah, veritas.
Thanks, Cliff!
Take your time, David. We always appreciate your effort.
The Indians fly by the Braves into sole possession of 3rd place while the Dodgers reap the rewards of early integration.
<u>1962 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Indians - 8 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
13T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
13T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
13T.Dodgers - 3 (JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
13T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
13T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
I weighted players careers using season-length adjusted Win Shares wherever available. For NA & pre-NA guys I had to do a rough guess-timate. For NeL-ers I used WinShare estimates wherever possible, but in some cases I simply had to weight by number of seasons played for each team. Big margin of error on the NeL-ers.
The point of this exercise was to see if the list was that different. The Giants are still #1 and StL(NA/NL) is still last (among those who get a full cap), but there are a few differences in between.
I kept three decimal places just to break ties, but this really isn't that accurate. I suppoes I should go and round all the numbers, but that's too much work for tonight. This is just for fun.
So, the Dodgers are the team that has lost the most caps. This was due to the strong turn of the century teams that featured many Orioles plus Jimmy Sheckard plus Bob Caruthers before that. The Red Sox are close behind with the contributions of Young, Speaker, Ruth, Cronin and Grove. The Yankees were third. They get almost 100% credit for their four caps while picking up bits of Keeler & Baker.
Buffalo benefitted the most from the winner-take-all cap race. That team wasn't around long enough to hold anyone's full career. The Cubs were next losing fractions of Dahlen, Sheckard & Kelly while the Indians lost parts of Speaker, Lajoie, Flick & Jackson.
One thing of note. Out of all the cap races from 20th century, we seem to have gotten almost all of them right -- for MLB anyways. Using WinShares fractions, Cronin, Speaker, ECollins, even Joe Jackson all ended up with the highest fraction for their winner-take-all cap. The only MLB-20th century exception I remember was Jimmy Sheckard who was slanted very slightly towards Brooklyn over the Cubs. It was very close (.475-450) and I figure that the 4-1 advantage in pennants was a factor there.
For the 19th century, the results weren't bad, but some of the players switched teams so much that its hard to nitpick. Similar story with NeL-ers. One interesting quirk was that Monte Ward was more slanted toward Providence over the Giants (.557-.331) due to the large numbers of WS that pitchers got in the 19th century. I just left that in there.
The only MLB-20th century exception I remember was Jimmy Sheckard who was slanted very slightly towards Brooklyn over the Cubs. It was very close (.475-450) and I figure that the 4-1 advantage in pennants was a factor there.
Yeah, that was an extremely close call there. I'm still not sure if I got that one right.
<u>1963 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Indians - 8 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
10T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
10T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
10T.Dodgers - 4 (Campanella, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
10T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
He led NL catchers in total chances 6 times, putouts 6 times, assists once, double plays once
he led in double plays twice
Which years, yest?
<u>1964 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
3. Indians - 9 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
11T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
11T.Cardinals - 4 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize)
11T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
The Sox haven't been a bad team, but their luck on cap fractions has been very poor, a bad run that continues with Wes Ferrell in 1964. With Ferrell added in, I'd guess they are up to two full fractional caps lost, between Young, Speaker, Ruth, Grove, Foxx, Cronin, and Ferrell.
Vote for Doby and Lemon.
Indians then rule.
1. Indians - 9 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
2T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
2T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
4T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
4T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
4T. Giants - 5 (Hubbell, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Terry)
4T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
4T. Cubs - 5 (TFBrown, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, Sheckard)
Although there have been many discussions of possible biases of win shares against players on poorly performing teams, I think the net effect of playing for a top team like the Yankees is to hurt a player's HoM candidacy, especially for a borderline candidate, because these candidates had less opportunity to accumulate impressive career totals. Relative to other teams, we know that it was much harder to break into the Yankee lineup (for example, both Keller and Rizzuto were sent back to the minors after Triple A seasons that would have seen them promoted with most other organizations). During their career, the depth of the bench put playing time at a premium, so that players on good teams (especially the Yankees) were more likely to be platooned. Some players who may have been good enough to play full time with another team (e.g., Slaughter late in his career) were used as pinch hitters. Whitey Ford is another example of how playing with the Yankees cut into playing time -- the knock against him seems to be that he didn't pitch as many innings as other top pitchers, but the depth of the Yankees staff and Stengel's willingness to save Ford for top opponents cut into his innings pitched.
Just something to keep in mind as we try to keep track of context.
Here is how I have the Red Sox breaking down:
Lost - Gained = 2.207
Gained - Lost = 2.297
Jackie Robinson
Jackie would get fractions for the Monarchs
Yeah, the NA/pre-NA guys were a big challenge. NeLers were an even bigger challenge because they often played in both summer & winter leagues. Often it was the shoo-in candidates that were the toughest because there was no need for thorough translations -- in which I'll admit it was sometimes just a season count that I did to arrive at the fractions. The crossover guys were an big challenge, too.
I chose to split Monte Irvin between Newark, Jersey City and MLB because his MLE's were so very well spelled out and I could do a WS fractional split pretty easily. For Campy, I gave him credit for a few years with Bal Elite Giants but none for the gap between there and the Dodgers because he hopped around so much and because I had clipped a bit of his younger play for Baltimore. For Jackie, I just gave him full Dodger credit. His year in Montreal was only to warm up people to the idea of integration and there was the complications of war before that. (I never gave war credit for fractional caps -- figured that was too complicated).
I admit that for these guys it can be a bit arbitrary and not as easily done as the MLB guys where I just simply do the WS weighting. This is a bit of a frivolity and those decimal places are just for tie-breaking purposes and should not in any way imply precision.
I'm open for tweaks, though. If anyone is interested in supplying fractional splits for any of the NeL & crossover guys, I'd be willing to adjust the numbers.
STATS, Inc. AL Pitcher of the Year (1935). Five-time STATS, Inc. AL Staff Pitcher (1929-32, 1935).
What reference book from Stats, Inc does this information come from?
From the All-Time Baseball Sourcebook, yeager.
Caps 1
FractCaps 3.207
Fractional Caps Gained
JCollins .479
Maybe that should be .579
I get .55 to .57 by a few different measures.
Maybe that should be .579
I get .55 to .57 by a few different measures.
Oops... I double-counted 1903-RedSox "26" and single-counted 1906-07 "4". Thanks for catching this:
Here are his corrected numbers:
Jimmy Collins
1895-Lou -- 10-11.8
1895-Bos -- 0-0
1896-Bos -- 11-12.9
1897-Bos -- 26-30.3
1898-Bos -- 34-34
1899-Bos -- 23-23
1900-Bos -- 18-20.1
1901-Bsx -- 28-31.7
1902-Bsx -- 20-22.5
1903-Bsx -- 26-29.0
1904-Bsx -- 28-28
1905-Bsx -- 23-23
1906-Bsx -- 4-4
1907-Bsx -- 4-4
1907-PhA -- 12-12
1908-PhA -- 7-7
Red Sox-142.2.485
Braves-120.3.410
PhA-19.065
Lou-11.8.040
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So, now I get .515 fractional caps gained for the RedSox for JCollins -- a differnence of .036 from before. I season-length-adjust my numbers which might explain why I don't get as many as 55-57%... assuming there is not another mistake.
Problem: Frankie Frisch's and Jimmie Foxx's plaques were cut off for some reason (I can fix the other problem ones). Does any one here have those two plaques archived? My files were destroyed when I had computer problems a few months back. Thanks!
Frankie Frisch putouts once, assists once, and double plays once
Jimmie Foxx putouts once, and assists 3 times
Jimmie Foxx - 1951 – 1B, 3B, C
14.1 seasons with: Philadelphia (AL) 1925-35; Boston (AL) 1936-42; Chicago (NL) 1942, 1944; Philadelphia (NL) 1945
Cap: Philadelphia Athletics (AL)
Three-time AL MVP (1932-33, 1938). AL Triple Crown (1933). Stats, Inc. AL MVP (1929). Six-time Stats, Inc. AL First Baseman (1929, 1932-33, 1938-39, 1941). Stats, Inc AL Third Baseman (1928). Four-time Win Shares AL MVP (1929, 1932-33, 1938). Three-time Win Shares AL Silver Bat winner (1932-33, 1938). Five-time Win Shares AL Gold Glove winner (1929-30, 1932-33, 1937). Nine-time All-Star (1933-41). One of the greatest power hitters of all-time, “The Beast” hit them as long as anyone has ever hit them (his 534 homers were the most for a right-handed hitter when he retired). Foxx was also a fine contact hitter who was very patient at the plate. A fine-fielding first baseman, “Double X” was surprisingly mobile for a big man and had a great arm. Member of three pennant winners (1931 and the World Champs of 1929 and 1930). AL leader for OBP (1929, 1938-39), SLG (1932-33, 1935, 1938-39), OPS+ (1932-33, 1935, 1938-39), Games (1936), Runs (1932), RBI (1932-33, 1938), BB (1934, 1938), Total Bases (1932-33, 1938), HR (1932-33, 1935, 1939), XBH (1932-33, 1938), Times on Base (1932-33, 1938), Power/Speed Number (1936) and BA (1933, 1938). Retired with the Athletics’ season records (all set in ’32) for OBP (.469), SLG (.749), TB (438), HR (58), Adj. OPS+ (205), XBH (100), Times on Base (329) and RBI (169); as well as the Athletics’ career records for OBP (.440), SLG (.640), HR (302) and Adj. OPS+ (174). He also retired with the Red Sox franchise single-season records (all set in ’38) for (398), HR (50), RBI (175) and XBH (92); as well as the Red Sox career records for HR (222) and RBI (788).
Frankie Frisch - 1944 – 2B/3B
15.1 seasons with: New York (NL) 1919-26; St. Louis (NL) 1927-1937
Cap: St. Louis Cardinals (NL)
NL MVP (1931). Three-time NL All-Star (1933-35). Stats, Inc NL Third Baseman (1921). Four-time Stats, Inc. NL Second Baseman (1930-31, 1933-34). Two-time Win Shares NL Gold Glove winner (1924, 1930). As competitive as any player before or after him, “The Fordham Flash” played with a red hot intensity as a teammate on the Giants and then later the Cardinals’ “Gas House Gang” of the 1930’s. A fine contact hitter that switch hit and rarely struck out, he was also a frenetic base stealer. An outstanding fielder who could play other demanding positions in the infield when called upon, his season second base records for most assists (641) and total chances (1,059) in ’27 are fitting testaments to his fine glove work. Member of eight pennant winners (1923-24, 1928, 1930 and the World Champions of 1921, 1922, 1931 and 1934). NL leader for Runs (1924), Hits (1923), Total Bases (1923), Singles (1923) and Stolen Bases (1921, 1927, 1931). Retired with the major league career records for career base hits as a switch hitter (2,880).
(1931). Southern All-Star (1932). Eastern leader for Wins (1931), Winning % (1931) and Strikeouts (1931). Southern leader for Wins (1932), Winning % (1932) and Strikeouts (1932).
As for Foster, that was cached on the Net, so I had that already. Thanks for noticing it, though.
<u>1965 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
2T. Indians - 10 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Cardinals - 5 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. White Sox - 5 (Appling, ECollins, Faber, Lyons, Walsh)
12T.Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
12T.Yankees - 4 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruth)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
26T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
26T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
26T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
26T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
26T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
26T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
26T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
26T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
26T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
26T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
26T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
26T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
26T.Red Sox - 1 (JCollins)
26T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Ted made his major league debut on April 20th, 1939 against our second inductee, Red Ruffing. Red struck out Ted in his first two at bats before Ted hit a double off him for his first major league hit. (This was also the only game to feature both Ted Williams and Lou Gehrig in the line-up). A month later, Ted hit a home run off Ruffing which he later would say was the hardest that he ever hit.
Ruffing is the fifth yankee to be inducted, joining four of his teammates in the HOM (of the five yankees only Ruth/Dimaggio were not teammates).
<u>1966 Franchise Cap Standings</u>
1. Giants - 11 (Connor, GDavis, Ewing, Hubbell, Keefe, Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, Rusie, Terry, Ward)
2T. Cubs - 10 (Anson, TFBrown, Clarkson, Dahlen, Gore, Hack, Hartnett, BiHerman, KKelly, Sheckard)
2T. Indians - 10 (Averill, Boudreau, Coveleski, Doby, Feller, WFerrell, Flick, JJackson, Lajoie, Speaker)
4. Braves - 7 (Barnes, McVey, Nichols, O'Rourke, Spalding, ESutton, GWright)
5T. Athletics - 6 (FBaker, Cochrane, Foxx, Grove, Plank, Simmons)
5T. Tigers - 6 (Cobb, Crawford, Gehringer, Greenberg, Heilmann, Newhouser)
7T. Cardinals - 5 (Caruthers, Frisch, Hornsby, Mize, Slaughter)
7T. Dodgers - 5 (Campanella, PWReese, JRobinson, Vance, Wheat)
7T. Phillies - 5 (Alexander, Delahanty, Hamilton, Magee, Thompson)
7T. Pirates - 5 (Carey, Clarke, Vaughn, Wagner, PWaner)
7T. Yankees - 5 (Dickey, Dimaggio, Gehrig, Ruffing, Ruth)
13 .Buffalo Bisons - 4 (Brouthers, Galvin, Richardson, DWhite)
14T.Baltimore Orioles (NL) - 3 (Jennings, Keeler, Kelley)
14T.Chicago American Giants - 3 - (WFoster, PHill, Torriente)
14T.Homestead Grays - 3 (RBrown, JGibson, BLeonard)
14T.Twins - 3 (Cronin, Goslin, WJohnson)
18T.Baltimore Black Sox - 2 (Beckwith, JWilson)
18T.Red Sox - 2 (JCollins, TWilliams)
18T.Brooklyn Atlantics - 2 (Pearce, Start)
18T.Brooklyn Royal Giants - 2 (HRJohnson, Santop)
18T.Cleveland Spiders - 2 (Burkett, CYoung)
18T.New York Lincoln Giants - 2 (Lloyd, SJWilliams)
18T.Providence Grays - 2 (Hines, Radbourne)
18T.Reds - 2 (Groh, McPhee)
18T.Saint Louis Stars - 2 (Suttles, WWells)
27T.Cleveland Blues - 1 (Glasscock)
27T.Cuban Giants - 1 (FGrant)
27T.Cuban Stars - 1 (Dihigo)
27T.Detroit Stars - 1 (Stearnes)
27T.Detroit Wolverines - 1 (Bennett)
27T.Indianapolis ABC's - 1 (Charleston)
27T.Kansas City Monarchs - 1 (Rogan)
27T.Newark Eagles - 1 (Irvin)
27T.Orioles - 1 (Wallace)
27T.Philadelphia Athletics (AA) - 1 (Stovey)
27T.Philadelphia Giants - 1 (RFoster)
27T.Pittburgh Crawfords - 1 (Paige)
27T.Saint Louis Brown Stockings (NA/NL) - 1 (Pike)
Sure thing, yest. A little more heft to his plaque wouldn't hurt (unlike Ted Williams' plaque :-0)
Three-time Holway Western All-Star (1925-27). Holway Eastern All-Star (19(1931). Southern All-Star (1932)
Three-time Holway Western All-Star (1925-27). Holway Eastern All-Star (1931). Holway Southern All-Star (1932)
A fine fielder, he led all first basemen in his league 4 times in putouts, 8 times in assists, and 5 times in double plays; he also led third basemen twice in double plays and both assists and putouts once, plus once in OF double plays.
It was 3rd base putouts twice
Does that mean he lead in 3B double plays and assists only once? Thanks!
WON 26 STRAIGHT IN 1926
HAD 32-3 MARK IN 1927.
was the leading vote-getter and winning pitcher in the inaugural East-West All-Star Game in 1933.(he was in the 34 game also)
WON 26 STRAIGHT IN 1926
HAD 32-3 MARK IN 1927.
was the leading vote-getter and winning pitcher in the inaugural East-West All-Star Game in 1933.(he was in the 34 game also)
from baseball libery on that game
In 1933 he posted a complete-game victory in the first East-West all-star game, giving up seven hits and seven runs while striking out four.
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