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1. Champions Table Posted: August 13, 2010 at 06:57 PM (#3615797)I'll hang up and listen.
Yes, Major League Rule 52 covers this. Basically, a minor-league team cannot operate any closer than 15 miles from the boundary of a major league territory without the MLB club's permission.
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I presume that the "MLB Club Permission" thing is why there are teams in Staten Island and Brooklyn?
For example, the Yanks have an affiliate in Staten Island, the Mets have Brooklyn...
More generally, MLB teams have non-compete territories (it's why you don't have a third team in NY and why the Nats have to give the O's TV money) that apply to both the bigs and minors (waivers can be granted, as in the above examples). Similarly, minor league teams have territories as well (for instance, I live in Durham, which has a team. Accordingly, nearby Raleigh couldn't get a park when a team was moving there, it's located a bit outside of the city (Zebulon), just outside the territorial border).
As to the minimum distance itself, I don't remember offhand. You can find this stuff online (it's rule 52, just like the ammy draft is rule 4, the one of marginal guys held in December is rule 5, etc...) - soxprospect's wiki has it, among other places.
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If the Rangers move to Round Rock, I have to think the Astros will take Oklahoma City.
One other note on territories: it's the reason why the Atlantic League (the most successful indy league at the gate) has done so well - they've got a few good markets that can't get teams. They're even thinking of adding a team in suburban Houston, iirc - though it's waaaay outside their footprint.
Almost certainly.
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Yes, and their respective affiliations are no accident.
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See this link.
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BTW, expect the Nats and Syracuse to continue their AAA agreement, though I'm not sure whether it will be for two years or four.
The Astros agreement with Corpus Christi goes through 2012. The speculation I've read is that the affiliation is likely to continue. Frisco is close to the Dallas-For Worth area, with a lot of Rangers' fans nearby, and it doesn't seem like the Rangers would want to give that affiliation up.
that said, for someone who doesn't follow this stuff, can you explain what happens when a pdc doesn't get renewed? is this how the trenton thunder used to be the sox' AA team and is now the yankees AA team?
so when that happens...all the sox personnel, equipment, etc move to another team/city and then the yankees move in...so all you "inherit" is the stadium and locale? but the team remains intact...so their sox division titles are still property of the thunder, even though the following year, the yankees could win the division?
it just seems weird that one day, you see ryan kalish and the next day you see andrew brackman...
The Rangers might not want to give up Frisco, but wouldn't Ryan then have access to inside information about Houston's AA prospects at Corpus? Might the Astros be the instigators to terminate the affiliation?
Or is it not that uncommon for a major league team owner to also own a minor league team of another franchise and I'm just reading too much into it?
So you don't have your market cannibalized, yes. The Brooklyn/Staten Island things are relatively new - the teams were getting competition from indy ball - this lets them do the market segmentation (also gives guys a place to play rehab ball that's close to the big league team during the 2nd half of the year). Some teams still prefer not to have the competition...
that said, for someone who doesn't follow this stuff, can you explain what happens when a pdc doesn't get renewed? is this how the trenton thunder used to be the sox' AA team and is now the yankees AA team?
You described it correctly. Note: a few teams own some of their affiliates (the Braves are a notable example) - but this diminishes the big league club's leverage a bit for things like getting stadium improvements, etc...
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It was just extended for four more years, through 2016.
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This article says 2016.
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tv and radio both said 2016. richard justice said 2016.
losing the austin market is a really serious blow for the astros. i don't know whether or not drayton tried to extend the contract even several years ago, but if he didn't it was too stupid for words. he's really lucky that nolan ryan already had frisco up and running or we would have lost corpus too.
there is no real astros market in oklahoma - it's completely rangers territory and it is bad BAD news
we can't really move to san antonio because they already have a AA team there and the owner has NO interest in selling.
the sugarland team is an indy team and it really isn't outside of houston except in name. it's 15 miles or so from the Box and it seems odd that the astros would choose to put their AAA franchise so close
The passage of many decades does make a difference. I grew up in Oklahoma and the state (or at least the Tulsa half of it) was overwhelmingly Cardinals territory, reinforced both by a radio network and by the slant of the coverage in the Tulsa papers. As for the other parts of the state - I do remember that when Cesar Cedeno arrived in Houston, he was being called up from an OKC team. Yes, the Tulsa area was closer to Kansas City than St. Louis - but the Kansas City A's basically had no fans anywhere, and the Royals were starting from scratch. On the other hand, in football terms (after the Sooners, who always ranked first), the state's NFL allegiance belonged to the Cowboys. I could see how the Rangers could have gained influence over the long haul - but that happened long after I left the state.
Actually, the Brewers are very interested in OKC.
No doubt. But is OKC interested in them?
Harrisburg/DC surprises me a bit too - I thought they'd look into Richmond. OTOH, facilities matter...
Bluefield: I didn't know Baltimore was doing this, but it was always a little weird to me that they had 3 short-season clubs.
The GCL Orioles are a fairly recent addition (2007), and I think that they were added with an eye toward ending the relationship with Bluefield.
Likely to get away from the situation in Nashville.
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yeah, I meant to type 2016.
Yeah, the Brewers are unhappy with both Nashville and Huntsville and it sounds unlikely that they'll renew with either.
No doubt. But is OKC interested in them?
Not sure, but there's some smoke there. At least enough to make it so Astros -> OKC isn't a slam dunk.
link
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2010/09/07/jays-add-new-farm-club-in-west-virginia/
Kinston and the Indians re-upped, the Braves are going to Lynchburg and the Reds will end up in Bakersfield, as that's all that's left.
With the Blue Jays replacing the Orioles in Bluefield, they ended their relationship with Auburn in the NY-P League. The Nationals and Cardinals are reportedly looking at a working agreement with the Doubledays.
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Seattle extended their working relationship with Clinton (MWL) for two years.
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In other news, we might see an Inland Empire / Rancho Cucamonga swap.
Yeah, but the note I got said that it was done as a result of the move to Bluefield.
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The Astros made their move to Oklahoma City official, signing a two-year agreement. Toronto extended its working relationship with Las Vegas for two years.
The Cardinals are going back to Batavia for two years. The group that runs the Rochester franchise has reportedly agreed to continue operating the Muckdogs as well, although they're still trying to sell the club. The Tri-City Valley Cats, coming off their first ever NYPL championship, re-upped with the Astros for two years.
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