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   1. rawagman Posted: November 30, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#3017632)
Is there any place where a full list of eligible draftees is available?
   2. Greg K Posted: November 30, 2008 at 04:01 PM (#3017639)
What's the feeling on Lofgren?

Worth a shot at all?...Is he actually available in the draft? I'm not sure if I saw confirmation of that or not.
   3. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 30, 2008 at 06:22 PM (#3017661)
Is there any place where a full list of eligible draftees is available?


It is NOT easy to put together such a list. For example, the Cardinals alone have 16 eligible players. If there is a particular player, or team, that interests you, let me know.

Some other guys who I know are available:

RHP Matt Torra (Diamondbacks)
OF Bubba Bell (Red Sox)
RHP Jay Rainville (Twins)
RHP Kyle Waldrop (Twins)
LHP David Welch (Brewers)
OF Brent Johnson (Mariners)
RHP Junior Guerra (Mets)
RHP Chris Mobley (Marlins)
OF Greg Burns (Marlins)
LHP Brad Kilby (Athletics)
OF Danny Putnam (Athletics)
OF/1B Jamie Romak (Pirates)
1B Jordan Brown (Indians)

What's the feeling on Lofgren?


Lofgren is available to be selected. I don't think he's the type of pitcher who is likely to be successful as a Rule 5 guy. His repertoire is that of a starting pitcher, not a guy who can give you 40-50 low-leverage innings out of the bullpen; he doesn't really have a single dominant pitch.

-- MWE
   4. Obama Bomaye Posted: December 02, 2008 at 12:30 AM (#3018416)
It seems to me a pitcher with a starter's repertoire could work as a mop-up man. If you find yourself down 5 runs, let him work 2-3 innings. The lack of an out-pitch doesn't seem a big deal if his primary responsibility is to eat a few unimportant innings.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 02, 2008 at 12:36 AM (#3018418)
I predict that Jamie Romak will get drafted, and maybe some other Pirate too. And management will get the benefit of the doubt, unlike what happened when they lost future stars Chris Shelton and Frank Brooks.
   6. esseff Posted: December 02, 2008 at 12:40 AM (#3018420)
For example, the Cardinals alone have 16 eligible players.


Mike,

I have just 12 or 13 eligible Cardinals. Which other ones do you have?

Cody Haerther
Mark McCormick
Casey Rowlett
Kenny Maiques
Mike Sillman
Matt Pagnozzi
Brandon Yarbrough
Jon Mikrut
Luis Perdomo
Trey Hearne
Elvis Hernandez
Christofher Dumont
And Ian Ostlund, if he's already signed that minor league contract for 2009, as reported by several sites
   7. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: December 02, 2008 at 12:55 AM (#3018427)
Rule 5 players are my favorite. I still own a Mike Neu Athletics jersey.
   8. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 02, 2008 at 01:14 AM (#3018437)
Ostlund has signed, as has Justin Knoedler; both are listed on the Memphis roster. Mike Parisi is also eligible.

-- MWE
   9. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 02, 2008 at 01:26 AM (#3018441)
I predict that Jamie Romak will get drafted


I don't think so. Romak has obvious holes in his game, and his AFL performance isn't going to help him any. Furthermore, he bats right-handed, which limits the ability to use him even in a semi-platoon role; teams going this route would be more likely, I think, to go for the lefty bat like Putnam or Chris Lubanski.

-- MWE
   10. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 02, 2008 at 01:36 AM (#3018445)
Kyle Bloom is the most likely candidate from the Pirates' organization to be taken, IMO, following an outstanding performance in Hawaii. He pitched much better in the second half of the season after making some adjustments to his mechanics, but he still needs to tighten his command.

-- MWE
   11. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 02, 2008 at 01:46 AM (#3018449)
The Reds left LHP Phillppe Valiquette and OF Shaun Cumberland unprotected. Valiquette is another power lefty who could be stashed on a roster and given a handful of low-leverage innings. He was roughed up in Hawaii, and was merely OK at Dayton and Sarasota this year. Cumberland came over in the Cantu deal a year ago; he doesn't do much of anything well, but doesn't do much of anything badly, either. He's probably 4th OF material, but he does bat left-handed.

-- MWE
   12. MM1f Posted: December 02, 2008 at 02:05 AM (#3018457)
Wasn't Valiquette the one who quit at some point last year and headed home without permission? That kind of flakiness would certainly lead me to not protect a guy.
   13. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 02, 2008 at 05:09 AM (#3018543)
FWIW, I like Henry more than Cumberland amongst Reds OF.

I don't think so. Romak has obvious holes in his game, and his AFL performance isn't going to help him any. Furthermore, he bats right-handed, which limits the ability to use him even in a semi-platoon role; teams going this route would be more likely, I think, to go for the lefty bat like Putnam or Chris Lubanski.

I don't see Putnam or Lubanski at all - you could find equivalent talents via minor league free agency. I don't think Romak will be picked either (though he seems much more likely, given his power) - if he can play scrub minutes at third, he could fill in (poorly) at four spots - that's slightly useful.

Matt Young seems fun, but is he even Callix Crabbe?

I've given up on McCormick (who I tabbed in a mock draft out of college - oops). He needed improved health and command - got neither. Perdomo, I'd look at.

Some postion players I'd consider:
C: Skelton, of course (though he doesn't work for every team); 1B: KC could use a Ka'aihue platoon, but that ain't happening; 2B: I like Mayora less than some, but he might be useful (could fill in at short, I suppose); SS: Statia and Sellers have the glove to stick, but probably not the bats, at short; 3B: Eric Campbell at third might go - I think his game would translate decently (if not well) at the big league level and his glove is salvageable; CF: Bell might very well be good enough to use as a fourth OF (tell me Atlanta couldn't use him); RF Romak is my favorite corner outfielder on the board.
   14. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 02, 2008 at 05:28 AM (#3018547)
LF: Jeremy Slayden has better than you'd expect range on d, unlockable power potential, and a good approach at the plate. He's hasn't been as dominant as I'd like, given his age and background, and is probably a future AAAA type but _could_ be more...
   15. MM1f Posted: December 02, 2008 at 06:58 AM (#3018567)
3B: Eric Campbell at third might go - I think his game would translate decently (if not well) at the big league level and his glove is salvageable;

But is his attitude/work ethic?

CF: Bell might very well be good enough to use as a fourth OF (tell me Atlanta couldn't use him)

Has anyone seen him play? Can he play a real MLB CF?


I don't see Putnam or Lubanski at all - you could find equivalent talents via minor league free agency.


Yes, but you don't find too many milb FAs who are 23 and "just" 5 years removed from being a top 5 pick and showing some abilityto hit AA pitching. He isn't great, and would probably be a drain on a MLB roster at some point but he has some combination of present ability and upside/youth.
I still probably wouldn't take Lubanski.

I agree on Slayden. He is an underrated athlete, he isn't some plodder or butcher out there and he is a real solid ballplayer.
The power is real, even if injuries have sapped a little of it (along with most of his once-plus arm) and he really knows how to play the game.
I feel comfortable saying he can, at least, be some kind of a Greg Colburnn/Matt Stairs someday.
   16. The Artist Posted: December 02, 2008 at 07:41 AM (#3018573)
Mike, any thoughts on who the Giants might lose? From a taking perspective, Morlan/Whelan seem to make the most sense. Why wouldn't TB trade Morlan at this point (or are they not allowed to do so?)
   17. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 02, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#3018673)
Campbell: Maybe he needs a change of scenery. Either way, it's one of the things you look at in ST. I'm not saying I'd take him (naively, I don't think he'd fit well on most rosters - but it only takes one), but if I didn't, attitude wouldn't be the main reason.

Bell: Once, in college - guess that doesn't count. My understanding is that he'd be okay in center, something like a Fr/Av in DMB parlance.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 02, 2008 at 03:03 PM (#3018698)
Possible Royals selected:

P Juan Abreu
P Chris Nicoll
OF Chris Lubanski
1B Mike Stodolka
P Dusty Hughes
P Jarrod Plummer
OF Brian McFall
C Matt Tupman

Abreu and Nicoll are the only ones with much of a chance of getting selected
   19. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 02, 2008 at 06:27 PM (#3018962)
Mike, any thoughts on who the Giants might lose?


I'd be surprised if they lost anyone. Garrett Broshuis, Ben Copeland, Eddy Martinez-Esteve, Nick Pereira, and Sharlon Schoop are among the eligibles. If Copeland could play CF (he really can't) he might have a chance to be selected.

Wasn't Valiquette the one who quit at some point last year and headed home without permission?


That was in '07.

-- MWE
   20. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 02, 2008 at 06:36 PM (#3018975)
Did KC re-up Plummer/Stodolka? Otherwise, I agree w/ the last 2 posts.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 02, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#3018985)
Did KC re-up Plummer/Stodolka? Otherwise, I agree w/ the last 2 posts.

You're right, I forgot they are minor league FAs.
   22. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 04, 2008 at 05:20 PM (#3020728)
I've been giving Mike Costanzo a little more though and, while I'm not that impressed with what he's done to date and am worried about both the holes in his swing and his ability to play third, he could fit in on a big league bench as a lefty PH who can play a bit of third and first (neither well) and could also potentially serve as a third/fourth catcher (anyone know how he looked in Baltimore's experiment with that?). Not sure he's worth it, but that's something.

Also, I don't think I've pimped the Reds OF combo of Sean Henry and Chris Cumberland yet. It would help if they were a little more developed or showed more range in center, but their skill set is broad enough that they might be able to help as 4th OFs. (Same for Parraz, mentioned in Marc H.'s article).
   23. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 10, 2008 at 09:22 PM (#3025374)
BA posted the list of eligibles. It doesn't specify if a player if available in a minor league phase as well.
   24. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:12 PM (#3025942)
BA update up. A few Rockies mentioned (I agree that Cabrera is interesting) along with some names the blogosphere likes (Lofgren and J.D. Martin, Skelton, Young and Valliquette from CIN)...
   25. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:22 PM (#3025947)
What time does this go down?
   26. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:24 PM (#3025950)
   27. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:25 PM (#3025952)
noon ET.
   28. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:42 PM (#3025956)
Thanks.

Costanzo was supposedly good enough behind the plate to serve as an emergency catcher, but not much more.

I was a little surprised the Orioles didn't protected, but after reflection, he's not a very appealing rule 5 pick. He's a bit of a tweener - he lacks the glove to be a true utility player and his bat doesn't really play at 3rd.

I don't think he'd be a complete liability as a 24th/25th man on the roster, but I'm not sure he has enough upside to make the headache worth it.
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 01:59 PM (#3025967)
Costanzo this year pales in comparison to D'Antona last year, as far as C/1B/3B benchies go.
   30. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 02:02 PM (#3025969)
Thanks, DKDC.
Vlad, I feel that way too (D'Antona).
   31. Sandlapper Spike Posted: December 11, 2008 at 04:30 PM (#3026183)
Andrés Galarraga is eligible for selection...
   32. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 04:35 PM (#3026190)
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 04:40 PM (#3026200)
Dejan at the P-G says that the word is that at least one team is committed to taking Kyle Bloom.
   34. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 04:46 PM (#3026212)
MLB.com has learned that the Washington Nationals will take RHP Terrell Young from the Reds organization with the first pick of the Rule 5 Draft today.
   35. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 04:58 PM (#3026236)
Where can this be followed live? Starts in 2 minutes...
   36. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:00 PM (#3026238)
I got excited for a moment when I saw he was from Grenada, then realized that it was the one in Mississippi.

Kind of a strange pick. With all the options out there, they go down to A-ball for a righty reliever with big control issues? BA says he has makeup issues, too.
   37. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:00 PM (#3026239)
There's a link on MLB.com, but it's for subscribers only, and I'm not one.
   38. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:00 PM (#3026240)
mlb.com is televising it - also has a draft tracker.
ba ( http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1821 ) says mil c lou palmisano may go in the first 5 picks.
   39. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:01 PM (#3026241)
don't need to be a subscriber.
   40. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#3026242)
31 - i saw that - hilarious.

i'm not too surprised on young, actually - he's got pretty good stuff.
   41. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#3026243)
Ah, there we go. tracker link.
   42. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#3026244)
I have it live.
   43. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#3026246)
Never mind, I'm an idiot.
   44. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#3026247)
Doing roll call now, won't start for a few minutes.
   45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:03 PM (#3026248)
Mind updating, DKDC?
   46. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#3026249)
Thanks, man.
   47. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#3026252)
Kind of a strange pick. With all the options out there, they go down to A-ball for a righty reliever with big control issues? BA says he has makeup issues, too.

Hey, just like Evan Meek. Maybe they're prioritizing the "if we decide we don't want him in the majors, his original team won't particularly want him back anyway" factor.
   48. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM (#3026253)
Dear god we are nerds. And I love it!
   49. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM (#3026254)
Nats take Terrell Young
   50. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:05 PM (#3026255)
Seattle take Reegie Corona from Yanks
   51. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:06 PM (#3026256)
San Diego takes SS Everth Cabrera from Rockies
   52. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:07 PM (#3026257)
Pittsburgh takes Donnie Veal from Cubs
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:07 PM (#3026258)
"Hey, just like Evan Meek."

Meek had pitched at AA.

"Dear god we are nerds. And I love it!"

Yeah, it's probably time for me to face that I grew up to be a huge dork. How did it come to this?
   54. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:07 PM (#3026259)
Orioles take C Louis Palmisano from Brewers
   55. Craig in MN Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:07 PM (#3026260)
   56. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#3026261)
Giants take Luis Perdomo from Cards
   57. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#3026264)
Braves Pass
Reds take David Patton from Rockies
   58. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#3026265)
Tigers take Kyle Bloom from Pirates
   59. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:08 PM (#3026266)
Damn, wanted Veal for the Royals. Good pick by the Bucs.
   60. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#3026267)
KC takes Jose Lugo from Twins
   61. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#3026268)
A's take Ben Copeland from Giants
   62. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:09 PM (#3026270)
"Seattle take Reegie Corona from Yanks"

It's Lima Time!
   63. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:10 PM (#3026271)
Indians pass
Arizona take James Skelton from Tigers
   64. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:10 PM (#3026272)
Marlins take Zach Kroenkie from Yanks
   65. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:10 PM (#3026273)
I don't predict anyone named "Donald Veal" becoming a successful athlete.
   66. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:11 PM (#3026274)
Cards pass
Astros take Gilbert De La Vera from Royals
   67. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:11 PM (#3026275)
Twins take Jason Jones from Yanks (getting raided)
   68. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:12 PM (#3026277)
White Sox pass
Mets take Darren Oday (sp?) from Angels
Brewers take Eduardo Morlan from Rays
   69. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#3026279)
Phillies take Robert Mozbak from Angels
Red Sox take Miguel Gonzalez from Angels (also getting raided)
Rays take Derrick Rodriguez from White Sox
Cubs pass
   70. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#3026280)
Some really good picks here, and some really strange ones, too.
   71. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#3026281)
Angels pass
ROUND 1 OVER
Pass to Padres
Padres take Ivan Nova from Yanks
   72. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:15 PM (#3026282)
young to dc - good d ss reegie corona to sea - speedy 2b everth cabrera to sd - p donnie veal to pit - c lou palmisano to bal (they needs c's but i think that ship sailed) - p perdomo to sf (think they had to make a move today to make a selection) - atl first team to pass - p david patton to col - p kyle bloom to det - p jose lugo to kc (eh) - of ben copeland to oak (surprising) - cle pass - c skelton to arizona - p kroenke to fla (think they made a roster move in order to pick) - stl pass - p gil de la vara to hou - p jason jones to min - wsx pass - p darren o'day to nym (out w/ torn labrum, i think) - mil gets morlan - p robert mosebach to phi - p miguel gonzalez to bos (don't know him) - p derek rodriguez to tb - cubs pass - laa passes
****
rd 2 - sd takes p ivan nova -
   73. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:15 PM (#3026283)
DKDC for president!
   74. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:15 PM (#3026284)
Lotta passes
Mets take Rocky Cherry from O's
   75. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#3026285)
That's it, folks.
   76. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#3026287)
nym takes p rocky cherry - all else pass - 21 picks total
   77. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:17 PM (#3026290)
Rocky Cherry? Now they need Rowdy Hardy.
   78. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:17 PM (#3026291)
Palmisano was traded to the Astros...
   79. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:18 PM (#3026292)
Ben Copeland? I think the A's just wasted 25K.
   80. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:19 PM (#3026293)
I don't see any Dan Ugglas or Johan Santanas.
   81. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:19 PM (#3026294)
"Ben Copeland? I think the A's just wasted 25K."

I've heard that he's a nice young man. He'll probably enjoy the spring training experience very much.
   82. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:20 PM (#3026297)
Are they broadcasting the minor league portion, too?
   83. DKDC Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#3026300)
Not sure, I turned it off.
   84. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:23 PM (#3026302)
OK, thanks for updating as long as you did.
   85. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:23 PM (#3026304)
yes
   86. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:25 PM (#3026308)
dc takes of ricardo nanita (good collegian) - sea: p patrick ryan - sd: pass - pit p andres santos - bal: ss robert valido (good glove, took peds)
   87. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:25 PM (#3026310)
You see anyone interesting yet?
   88. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:28 PM (#3026313)
Pretty meh draft. Morlan and Veal could stick, but the rest I either don't know much of anything about or know they are not good.
   89. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#3026323)
Wow, Santos looks pretty killer from the scouting report I found.
   90. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:33 PM (#3026326)
define interesting. pit took rafael quintero from cle in rd 2. don't know him. haerther goes to tor, ss klosterman to fla
   91. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#3026332)
lots of semi-familiar names, but that says more about me then them.
surprised shinskie wasn't protected from this phase.
mets took corey madden from sd - he did well last year.
   92. DL from MN Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#3026335)
> Veal could stick

Make sure you grease the pan first
   93. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:41 PM (#3026341)
"pit took rafael quintero from cle in rd 2. don't know him."

Infielder turned catcher turned pitcher, good #s in the DSL last year.
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=32587
   94. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#3026349)
aaa phase over 35 picks.
like for mayo, valido's name sticks out to me - he looked like a big league glove at one time
aa phase (almost always garbage, moreso now) is one guy: p andrew barb from sea to bal
   95. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#3026350)
BA is still dead as a doornail. They ought to buy a few more servers.
   96. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#3026351)
Thanks for the updates. Pirates take anyone else in AAA portion?
   97. Mike Emeigh Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#3026352)
Orioles took P Andrew Barb in the AA portion, the only pick.

-- MWE
   98. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:49 PM (#3026355)
yes, pit did - but i can't read my note. :)
gerardo espinoza?
   99. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#3026357)
I'm starting to like this Lugo kid the Royals picked up. Tall lanky drink of water - 6'1'' 159. He was pretty old for A ball, but he seems to be an extreme ground ball pitcher.

I have to wonder what this means for the other eighteen lefty relievers we have in camp though.
   100. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 11, 2008 at 05:53 PM (#3026363)
"yes, pit did - but i can't read my note. :)
gerardo espinoza?"


Gerardo Esparza, righty SP from Seattle's VSL team.

Thanks, I owe you one.
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