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1. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 09, 2009 at 06:41 PM (#3408189)C Nevin Ashley
RHP Neil Wagner
RHP Steven Wright
RHP Craig Baker
RHP Chris Hayes
LHP Ben Snyder
Seem to be the most useful IMO. LHP Chuck Lofgren is probably worth a gamble. And C Koby Clemens is awfully intriguing.
As for Cleveland, they might not get hit that hard - it's often a surprise who gets picked.
To repeat earlier posted thoughts... some guys who I either like or I think are likely picks that AG#1F didn't list include (not in order):
C/MI Chirinos (Ashley is bad, AFL or no AFL), OF Raynor (not keen on McBryde, regardless of buzz), P Caminero, P A.Rodriguez (seems very likely to me, I like him as well), P Breit, P Inman (probably not enough velocity times polish), P E.Osuna, P Jukich (those two could loogy/long man, Lofgren could as well), P Pino (ready for a low wattage role, could spot start), C Clevenger (won't get picked, he's just interesting), and maybe Kroenke on the repeat pick theory (should he clear waivers, you might get him back as an FA).
There's likely some Everth (in low-A, but eligible) type out there as well who us in our mama's basements aren't yet aware of. Personally, I don't like Wimberly (who doesn't fit that billing) - error prone + not enough bat. Seems like Freddie Bynum II.
Chad Thall seems interesting as a possible LOOGY. Jean Machi's winter performance is somewhat impressive.
The Yankees might have the Nats take one of their own players, Zach Kroenke, to make sure no one else does. Ed Price of AOL FanHouse agrees: there's a chance the Yankees will have the Nats select Kroenke.
Does anyone else think this would be stupid? This means the Yankees either have to keep him on their roster all season (copious DL time allowed, however) or let everyone else have a crack at him through waivers anyway. If they thought he was ready for that role - or even a limited version of it - they should have protected him in the first place (unless their evaluation of him skyrocketed since the roster deadline).
Has there been any hitter in the last ten years in the Rule5 who was decent? In the last five years, has there even been one who stuck? It seems like a "fishing for pitching" affair these days.
Oh wait...Dan Uggla qualifies for both...anyone else in either?
The Yankees might have the Nats take one of their own players, Zach Kroenke, to make sure no one else does. Ed Price of AOL FanHouse agrees: there's a chance the Yankees will have the Nats select Kroenke.
Does anyone else think this would be stupid?
The only way I can think of that this makes any sense is if the rules allow for the following;
Nats select Kroenke
Nats then remove him from their active roster
Kroenke is "returned" to the Nats from the Nats... BUT he is not on the 40 man now.
Nats trade him to NY
This way NY can acquire him but not have to have him on their 40 man or worry about him being selected in the rule 5 draft.
Everth Cabrera stuck with the Pads last year and looks to have some potential. Eugenio Velez stuck a couple years ago and is an interesting utility guy. Both were athletic IFs from A-ball.
Going back about ten years Jay Gibbons was productive Rule 5 pick. Jesus Flores is a young catcher with some promise. Chris Shelton was a famous Rule 5er, Jose Bautista was taken from the Pirates in that same talked about Rule 5 draft but he was bounced around so much I can't recall if he officially stuck. The Cardinals got a couple decent utility years from Hector Luna and, say what you will about the guy, Willy Taveras was a great Rule 5 value. The Astros just gushed about him from the minute they picked him. However, he didn't technically stick. The Astros gave the Indians a bone for the right to keep Taveras
Shane Victorino was a 2-time Rule 5 pick, though I can't remember if he stuck.
Josh Hamilton became a Red (from the Rays) as a Rule 5 pick, though obviously he is a rare case.
Uggla, Victorino or Hamilton are probably the best recent rule 5 hitters. The rest are mostly bench players.
But yes, arms are generally the focus
I'm surprised that Villareal isn't getting more attention.
Barton was decent that first partial year, but fell apart.
I think Victorino stuck the 2nd time.
Shelton had moments.
As for full rosters, that can change by draft time (KC this year will be an example, iirc).
PIT - of Raynor
BAL - p Ben Snyder (to TEX)
KCR - p Ed Osuna (from the Braves, I'm shocked too....)
CLE - p Ambriz
HOU - 3b Jorge Jimenez (from BOS, eh) (to FLA)
OAK - p Bobby Cassevah (gets grounders, but performance to date so-so)
ARI - p Zach Kroenke
MIL - p Chuck Lofgren (lacks dominant pitch, but interesting and coming back from Blass disease)
TOR - p Zach Zinicola (eh)
... thanks to mlbtraderumors, by the way, for the info to date ...
PHI - p Ken Herndon (don't know anything about him)
(oh, Texeira is also a pitcher)
You know, the only reason Caminero can throw heat like that is the giant parabolic mirrors.
Hoffman is a 4th outfielder type (defense is AFA/A in DMB parlance). Does a little bit of everything, but lacks a standout skill.
I thought that the Mythbusters did tests that indicated the parabolic mirrors could only get a fastball into the uper 80's...
According to Baseball America it's all over. No one took Caminero.
**** that's it for round 1 ... no one taken in round 2 .... minor league phases to follow ****
(note - pick listing not necessarily in order, sorry)
Actually the Phils offered him back (SD or LA, I can't remember the order) and were allowed to keep him. Vic put up an IL MVP year prior to sticking with the Phils.
NYM - p Carlos Monasterios (prospect once upon a time when w/ NYY; still young, but less interesting)
3 out of 4 Abreu pieces are now gone from the Phils. Sanchez the C turned P is the only one left.
Is this a sign that Vernon is on his way out of town?
Surprised Moore was willing to take the hit to his pride.
Agreed. I thought he might go in the ML portion, even.
Jacobs: Even Moore has his limits.
milb has the major league phase up - same link will include subsequent phases.
****
No one jumped out at me like Vaughan in the minor league phases. A few decent minor league filler guys (Hubbard and Horwitz, though you could slot Vaughan into that category), a few raw arms (need to look up Engles when I get home), several from the DSL.
-- MWE
If Raynor sticks, it will likely be as a 5th OF and caddy for McCutchen; he's basically a lesser version of Cameron Maybin, with most of the same strengths and issues. I don't see him as being likely to stick.
I don't see anyone in particular among the pitchers selected in the major league portion who really stands out.
-- MWE
Yep, you can decline an outright assignment the second time you're given one, and the process of returning a Rule 5 pick to his original org includes an outright assignment.
They might be able to keep him by immediately assigning him to the ML roster. I've never seen that tried (and you'd think he'd be willing to stick around if they were going to immediately promote him, anyway).
Mike, you think Jimenez could help? Arm aside, I don't like the glove and he lacks the power to make up for it.
Hit right-handed. That's it.
Does this make room for Jairo Garcia in the pen?
Compared to the other lefties... he's as good as any this year, I think - there's more separation in types then in skills b/w these guys (imo). Osuna has a little more tactical/LOOGY value and could also eventually start, but his lack of velocity could do him in before then. Jukich a higher present value, lower ceiling-ed Osuna (not sure about his true platoon advantage either). Kroenke and Snyder are more MLB ready but won't ever start and I don't think either will ever be more than a decent specialist. Lofgren... if he gets 15% better at everything, you've got something. Of course, that's unlikely and what he is now isn't much more than a mop-up guy ... it's all a matter of how he develops. Not so unique, I know.
The Marlins have nothing from the left side other than Coghlan (I'm not a great big Scott Cousins fan), Jimenez has hit everywhere he's played, and he showed some additional power last year. I don't think the glove's all THAT awful; he has generally turned more DPs than his error count at 3B, albeit not by a lot - that's generally a sign of a glove that is at least passable. I don't think he's going to be anything great, but as an occasional corner IF starter and lefty PH he can contribute more than one might expect from a Rule 5 player. Barring any additional moves by the Marlins, I see him as the most likely Rule 5 player to stick this year.
-- MWE
2. My issue is the range more than his hands / errant arm - there's a reason he's played a quite a bit of 1b despite having a gun. (Silver lining, of course, is that it makes him more ready for a bench job, already playing both corners). AROM has him at -12 for next year defensively - that sounds about right, based on what I'd read about him in the past. You may be right - he seems like a guy Florida would like and the opportunity is there - however, I can easily imagine better, also cheap (though not younger), options becoming available...
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