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Thursday, November 14, 2019

2019 MVP Award winners announced | MLB.com

Mike Trout and Cody Bellinger began the 2019 season in such different places that it was a stretch to imagine that they were on their way to being mentioned in the same breath. As one built on a legacy of greatness, the other was still very much a work in progress.

On Thursday, they achieved the highest individual honor—Most Valuable Player. Trout won in the American League for the third time in six seasons with a performance that included a career-high 45 home runs.

Bellinger was named the NL MVP for a season that featured 47 homers, 34 doubles and an NL-leading 351 total bases. Two years after being named the NL Rookie of the Year, the 24-year-old Dodgers outfielder used the 2019 season to establish himself once and for all as one of the game’s best players.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:24 PM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: awards and honors, cody bellinger, mike trout, mvp

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   1. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:43 PM (#5901244)
In a season where the number of home runs hit was a major story, the AL home run leader got one 10th place MVP vote.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:50 PM (#5901246)
Bellinger mashed this year, but boy don't I buy those defensive numbers. 1B moved to the OF is Roberto Clemente in RF now? No way.
   3. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5901250)
I’ll note, snapper, that I’d long thought “why is this guy at first base when he’s an excellent outfielder?”
Just sayin’
   4. RJ in TO Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5901251)
Bellinger mashed this year, but boy don't I buy those defensive numbers. 1B moved to the OF is Roberto Clemente in RF now? No way.
Rdrs had him at +5 runs in 366 innings in the OF in 2017, and +6 runs in 507 innings in the OF in 2018. For 2018, all but 13 of those innings were in CF. On a rate basis, his 2019 Rdrs rate is slightly above his 2017 and 2018 seasons, but aren't some huge outlier - +16 R/year in 2017, +14 R/year in 2018, and +24 R/year in 2019. If you want to argue the numbers for all those years are wrong in their evaluation, have at it, but there's nothing specific about this year that stands out.
   5. Darren Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5901259)
Wouldn't have thought for sure that Trout would have lost this after getting injured and Bregman closing the gap while playing for a contender.
   6. JJ1986 Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5901264)
I'm surprised that as we get more and more modern voters, pitchers still do terribly in the balloting. deGrom finished behind Pete Alonso.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5901266)
Would Bellinger have been a shortstop or something if he were right-handed?
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:57 PM (#5901269)
Nolan Arenado finished in the Top Ten for the sixth straight year. Trout beats that, of course, but after Nolan I think you drop down to Mookie Betts with four.
   9. bbmck Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:16 PM (#5901277)
In the AL every voter picked the same Top 2 for the first time since 1937 in either league:

2015 AL: Josh Donaldson over Mike Trout, one combined 3rd place vote
2012 AL: Miguel Cabrera over Mike Trout, one combined 3rd place vote
2006 NL: Ryan Howard over Albert Pujols, one combined 3rd place vote
1994 NL is bad data at b-ref or different system, Bagwell unanimous MVP 28 x 14 = 392 points and Matt Williams has 281 points or 1 point more than 10 per ballot.

1987 AL: George Bell over Alan Trammell, one combined 3rd place vote
1985 AL: Don Mattingly over George Brett, some combination of 3rd-5th place vote(s) to miss 3 possible combined points
1978 AL: Jim Rice over Ron Guidry, one combined 3rd place vote
1959 AL: Nellie Fox over Luis Aparicio, two combined 3rd place votes or one combined 4th place vote
1937 AL: Charlie Gehringer over Joe DiMaggio, it's 9 points for 2nd place that year and it's 6 ballots Charlie-Joe and 2 ballots Joe-Charlie

Checked each year going back to 1937 for 164% from the Top 2, 9/14 = 64% for 2nd place vote. 1937 is the most recent year of 10-9-8... point ballots.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5901281)
Rdrs had him at +5 runs in 366 innings in the OF in 2017, and +6 runs in 507 innings in the OF in 2018. For 2018, all but 13 of those innings were in CF. On a rate basis, his 2019 Rdrs rate is slightly above his 2017 and 2018 seasons, but aren't some huge outlier - +16 R/year in 2017, +14 R/year in 2018, and +24 R/year in 2019. If you want to argue the numbers for all those years are wrong in their evaluation, have at it, but there's nothing specific about this year that stands out.

I think there's something systematic that is overrating good OF in the modern era. I don't believe Andruw Jones or Jason heyward were ever +30 either.
   11. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5901297)
They were about as close as you can get, but I'd already mentally given the award to Bregman. I figured that voters love players on good teams playing down the stretch, and Trout strikes out twice by those standards.

Also, from TFA: "Trout was on a hunting trip in Iowa when he learned that he’d won again." Hunting trip, sure. There's only one reason to go to Iowa in November before an election year.
   12. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:17 PM (#5901298)

The numbers probably overrated him this year but he was second in assists by a RF and led the league in fielding % by a RF. It's not a stretch to think he's actually pretty good out there even if you haven't seen him play.
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:21 PM (#5901301)

Also, from TFA: "Trout was on a hunting trip in Iowa when he learned that he’d won again." Hunting trip, sure. There's only one reason to go to Iowa in November before an election year.

I just assume he says "hunting" because stormchasing is prohibited by his contract.
   14. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:30 PM (#5901303)
Looking over the voting results: DJ LeMahieu came in 4th in AL MVP voting. This time last year not even his mom expected that. Marcus Semien at 3rd is also pretty shocking. Not saying undeserving, just surprising given who these guys are.
   15. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:44 PM (#5901308)

Also, dang. I was hoping we could replace Ryan Braun as the most recent Jewish player to win the MVP award.
   16. RJ in TO Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:45 PM (#5901309)
Marcus Semien at 3rd is also pretty shocking.
Coming into this season, Semien had 2637 PA in his career, and a 96 career OPS+. Apart from his 71 PA rookie year, that OPS+ had never been below 93 or above 99. After this season, his career OPS+ is now 106. He definitely deserved consideration, but this feels like an even more extreme version of Jimmy Rollins' MVP year.
   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:53 PM (#5901311)
Also, from TFA: "Trout was on a hunting trip in Iowa when he learned that he’d won again."
Sounds like Trout just won the 1954 AL MVP award.
   18. JAHV Posted: November 15, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5901433)
Sounds like Trout just won the 1954 AL MVP award.


He deserved that one, too.
   19. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 15, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5901436)
Would Bellinger have been a shortstop or something if he were right-handed?

i remember reading that very sentiment when he was an amateur. so, maybe.
   20. Rusty Priske Posted: November 15, 2019 at 01:20 PM (#5901458)
I made my picks about a month ago. I got both MVPs right. Both Cy Youngs right. For both RoY I said that I didn't agree with who was going to win, but I still predicted who WOULD win right.

Cool.

(I still would prefer Soroka and Means for ROY...)
   21. jingoist Posted: November 15, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5901465)
#17 
I imagine that Ted Williams was in Florida bonefishing when he first heard he had been selected MLB player of the year in 1957.
   22. Rally Posted: November 15, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5901468)
Trout's played 8 sort of full seasons now. By WAR, 2 of his 3 MVP seasons are his 6th and 7th best seasons.
   23. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 15, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5901516)
The year that he (tied for) his career worst OPS+ he won the MVP award. (Initial 40 games discounted.)

Everything about Mike Trout except for his haircut is amazing.
   24. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 15, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5901517)
Also, from TFA: "Trout was on a hunting trip in Iowa when he learned that he’d won again." Hunting trip, sure. There's only one reason to go to Iowa in November before an election year.


Meteorology?


   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 15, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5901520)
Meteorology?


I was just thinking the other day that the people who study meteors must be really pissed at the weathermen for stealing their name. No lie, I actually said this to my wife.

If you study meteors, what do you call yourself? Just plain old astronomer?
   26. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 15, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5901528)
Meteorology?


I was just thinking the other day that the people who study meteors must be really pissed at the weathermen for stealing their name. No lie, I actually said this to my wife.

If you study meteors, what do you call yourself? Just plain old astronomer?


Blame the ancient Greeks for this:

Like the names of many scientific disciplines, “meteorologist” comes from Ancient Greek. In about 340 B.C., Aristotle wrote Meteorologica, a compendium of what was, at the time, complete Western knowledge of weather and climate. Aristotle took the name from meteoros, a Greek word which referred to anything that was in, came from, or fell from the atmosphere, or “the sky.” That includes rain, rainbows, the climate in general, snow, ice, hail…and rocks falling from space, which today are known as meteors and meteorites.


Apparently, a person that studies meteors is a meteoriticist.
   27. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 15, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5901543)
If you study meteors, what do you call yourself?


An aviation historian.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: November 15, 2019 at 05:12 PM (#5901548)
Iowa does seem like a curious hunting destination. Does he have family there? Sure they've got deer and ducks and so on, but everyone else does too, and it's mostly just farms. My grandfather was an avid hunter from Missouri, and he made yearly trips up to the Boundary Waters in northern Minnesota, presumably because the experience was much superior to local options. Is there some interesting pheasant or quail in one of the natural grasslands? I'm not a hunter but if I had Trout cheddar and I was on a hunting trip I imagine it would be for some crazy big game in Wyoming or Montana or Africa or some ####.
   29. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 15, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5901554)

#24 I want my day-old coke.
   30. SandyRiver Posted: November 15, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5901556)
#28: Never hunted there, but Iowa's corn-fed bucks show up often on Boone & Crockett, also on field-dressed weight. Maybe the lure of big-bodied deer with huge headgear was part of his rationale. If I were going to hunt deer in Iowa, I'd head for the loess hills just eat of the Missouri - all kinds of cover and food there. (And November is just about the worst month for storm chasing.)
   31. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: November 15, 2019 at 05:34 PM (#5901558)
28: pheasant hunting is huge biz in Iowa. Family members who hunt explains why I know as I do not hunt
   32. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:11 PM (#5901589)
Trout is now 6th all-time in MVP award shares, with 5.91.

The five ahead of him are Bonds, Musial, Pujols, Williams, and Mays (and Mays is at 5.94, so as Trout gets any votes next year, he'll pass Mays). It is rather extraordinary how far ahead he is at this point in his career to almost anybody in our lifetimes.

He is now 57th in lifetime WAR, at 72.5. If he has a 7.5 WAR season in 2020, that will move him up to 38th all time, passing a lot of first-ballot Hall of Famers along the way. Of the 56 players ahead of him in career WAR right now, the next-shortest career to Trout's nine seasons is Joe DiMaggio, who played 13 seasons...and Trout should blow by DiMaggio mid-season next year.

Despite everything above, he has missed 98 games over the past three seasons, which has cost him at least one MVP award. It seems like the only thing that would prevent Trout from reaching the top of all these lists is injury...but he's getting injured enough now where that is a legit concern.
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: November 16, 2019 at 12:59 AM (#5901591)
when Willis Reed was Nets GM in the 1990s, he would go hunting in Montana in the offseason for weeks at a time.

so if some big NBA issue came up, he was completely off the grid. simpler times. I want to say he hunted moose, but maybe it was elk - I don't really know what they hunt out there.

I've got a county park about 2 miles north of me in NJ, and they have a bow hunting season (deer?) so you have to be careful which hiking trail you pick in which month. and not to crossthread, but yeah those bears in my condo complex last year.
   34. bbmck Posted: November 16, 2019 at 01:25 AM (#5901594)
Trout is 87th in lifetime WAR, a 7.5 WAR season moves him up to 63rd passing Jeff Bagwell, Pete Rose and Curt Schilling. Trout is basically 2 years ahead of Pujols, 1 year of starting earlier and 1 year accumulated by being that much better. Pujols is slightly ahead after nine seasons in the league 73.8 to 72.5 WAR.

Pujols in theory wins 3 MVPs by Age 27 and 5 MVPs in his first 9 seasons if not for some guy with a 256 OPS+ during Pujol's first 4 seasons. The highest OPS+ that Trout has finished ahead of in MVP voting so far in his career is 2018 JD Martinez 174.
   35. TR_Sullivan Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5901625)
I picked Alex Bregman over Mike Trout

Covering the AL West...I know how good Mike Trout is

I went with Bregman because he played both third and short...I thought that was pretty valuable... although in this day and age of shifts...they are pretty similar positions....It's like football... Not sure there are any split ends and flankers left, or cornerbacks and safeties... They are just wide receivers and defensive backs to me.

I spent a lot of time on this pick.... really agonized over it... finally went with Bregman over Trout

I had Semien and LeMahieu as my top four... above the rest of the pack.

I had Meadows fifth...nobody else had him higher than eighth. He made just seven of 30 ballots... Best player on a 96-win team.... surprising how little support there was.

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