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Friday, October 15, 2021

2021 LCS OMNICHATTER!

Red Sox vs. Houston. Atlanta vs. Los Angeles.

Four teams, one OMNICHATTER.

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Hombre Brotani Posted: October 15, 2021 at 04:33 AM | 793 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Textbook Editor Posted: October 15, 2021 at 11:57 PM (#6046813)
A sad thought: what if the guy who eventually replaces Joe Buck is even worse.

Like, Ryan Seacrest happened. Things can always get worse.
   102. Textbook Editor Posted: October 15, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6046814)
I don’t get leaving him in.
   103. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 15, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6046815)
I can’t figure out Sawamura for the life of me. Dude seems to have genuinely electric stuff but hitters just hit him so hard.
   104. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:01 AM (#6046816)
White flag follows white flag.

   105. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:01 AM (#6046817)
That was a hell of a throw.
   106. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:02 AM (#6046818)
Sawamura looks like he's in Los Lobos.
   107. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:03 AM (#6046819)
3 runs was never going to win this. The Sox need at least 5 to win these games. I can't really see Houston scoring less than 4 runs a game.
   108. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:03 AM (#6046820)
Still gonna need a miracle to keep this to bloop-and-blast range.

It’s the hope that kills you.
   109. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:03 AM (#6046821)
That was a hell of a throw.
But the runner was clearly safe, so what was the review for? That he missed home plate? Or just giving the bullpen more time to warmup?
   110. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:05 AM (#6046822)
Perez in. White towel in ring.
   111. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:06 AM (#6046823)
Sox turn an odd and very ugly DP
   112. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:06 AM (#6046824)
A ####### miracle
   113. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:07 AM (#6046825)
109–that he left too early
   114. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:08 AM (#6046826)
With the extra challenge and 3 outs left, it’s prob worth a flier—low risk, high reward.
   115. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6046827)
Jesus
   116. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6046828)
OK this is getting ####### stupid now.
   117. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6046829)
Hernandez and fire are the same thing right now.
   118. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6046830)
Kike Hernandez is good at baseball.
   119. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6046831)
That white flag inning the difference now. Unreal.
   120. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:12 AM (#6046832)
Has Schwarber hit like 5 balls today to Altuve in shallow right?

Reliever not fooling anyone
   121. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:14 AM (#6046833)
D*mn, Xander should've looked at a couple first...
   122. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:17 AM (#6046834)
Bugger, Devers hits one up the middle but good positioning by Astros, game over. Sox go down
   123. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:17 AM (#6046835)
Ah well.
   124. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:20 AM (#6046836)
121–yes
   125. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:21 AM (#6046837)
Correa being interviewed says he saw the changeup first pitch in the at bat and then can recognise it out of the hand so when we got a hanging one, that was it.
Something the Sox might want to think about if Correa(and the rest of the Houston order) can pick that changeup out of the hand...
   126. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 16, 2021 at 12:37 AM (#6046839)
Correa might not have made any friends grandstanding at home plate on his HR. Will we see anything come of that?
   127. Astroenteritis Posted: October 16, 2021 at 07:54 AM (#6046845)
Correa might not have made any friends grandstanding at home plate on his HR. Will we see anything come of that?


I'm going to miss the hell out of Correa next year, but that was a bit much. He could have pointed to the watch on the way to first base.
   128. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6046850)
Altuve and Correa are the two main reasons I'm rooting for the Astros. There's nothing wrong with stylin' if you can back it up.

One hell of a game. Give us about six more like it. I was rooting for the Rays in their DS, but this could turn into something special no matter which team wins.
   129. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:17 AM (#6046851)
I'm going to miss the hell out of Correa next year, but that was a bit much. He could have pointed to the watch on the way to first base.


That was my thought too. Did he say anything about the pitch that almost drilled him before that firing him up? Robles wasn't throwing at him but at the same time a baseball comes up and in like that you are goingto be worked up and justifiably so.
   130. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6046856)
One thing I will say about Correa's celebration that mitigates my annoyances is he was looking at the dugout. I always prefer those celebrations that involve the dugout than those that are "look at me!"
   131. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:59 AM (#6046860)
Not if the Red Sox consult with McCann.
   132. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 04:44 PM (#6046936)
I enjoyed that home run.
   133. JJ1986 Posted: October 16, 2021 at 04:44 PM (#6046937)
Bad announcers are so antagonistic. Smoltz doesn't just make a point, he has to mention all the strawmen who are wrong over and over again.
   134. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 16, 2021 at 04:46 PM (#6046938)
50%+ of runs scored via HR:
..[ x] this game
..[x ] this series
..[x ] this years playoffs
   135. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:08 PM (#6046940)
This is embarrassing. Can't believe the umpires are letting Odorizzi do all his calisthenics.
   136. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:11 PM (#6046941)
The irony is that Garcia will probably be recovered from his injury by the time Odorizzi says he’s ready to pitch.
   137. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:11 PM (#6046942)
Greinke’s gonna wind up starting a game this ALCS.
   138. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:12 PM (#6046943)
Joe Buck reminding us he only got his job through nepotism.
   139. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:13 PM (#6046944)
Gamesmanship to make Eovaldi sit more?
   140. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6046945)
Hell, Garcia could have Tommy John and rehab it.
   141. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6046946)
Would be great if after all this he gets hammered.
   142. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:15 PM (#6046947)
After all this, I want to get hammered.
   143. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:15 PM (#6046948)
Presumably Eovaldi is throwing in a tunnel somewhere.
   144. John DiFool2 Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6046949)
LOL, play by play guy Joe Davis said Houston was leading 4-0.
   145. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:17 PM (#6046951)
FINISH THEM
   146. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:21 PM (#6046952)

Did this game really start at 4:20? I just turned it on and they're in the top of the 2nd?
   147. JJ1986 Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6046953)
Done with this one.
   148. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6046954)
That works.
   149. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6046955)
MOAR RUNZ
   150. Walt Davis Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6046956)
A grand slam per inning is one way to win a ballgame.
   151. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6046957)
Would be great if after all this he gets hammered.
Yeah, about that…
   152. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:25 PM (#6046958)
Good thing Odorizzi got fully warmed up.
   153. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:25 PM (#6046959)
146 - Garcia left with an injury and Odorizzi took roughly 3 days to get loose. So far he has faced four batters and gotten one out.
   154. Lassus Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:25 PM (#6046960)
Thank god Odorizzi took 30 minutes to get ready to pitch.

EDIT: Tsk. Too slow.
   155. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:25 PM (#6046961)
First team with two grand slams in a post-season game?
   156. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6046962)
EDIT: Tsk. Too slow.
Much like Odorizzi.
   157. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6046963)
Has a position player ever pitched in the postseason?
   158. Jay Seaver Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:28 PM (#6046964)
I was running some errands and was afraid I missed a lot. Anyway, what's the injury? I'm seeing a lot of sarcastic "bruised ego" on Twitter.
   159. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:29 PM (#6046965)
A couple times I can remember. Austin Romine did it in 2018 and I’m pretty sure the Blue Jays had someone do it in the ALCS a couple years before that.
   160. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:30 PM (#6046966)

#159 yes, Cliff Pennington. I believe he was the first.
   161. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:30 PM (#6046967)
Unknown injury for Garcia.
   162. Jay Seaver Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:40 PM (#6046968)
Delay doesn't seem to have bothered Eovaldi.

Is the Fox Sports Betting App(TM) taking prop bets for who gets the grand slam this inning? I'm going with Kiké.
   163. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 16, 2021 at 05:44 PM (#6046969)
wow I didnt know a position player had ever pitched in the post season. WOuld it have been great to see CLemente pitch game 2 of the 1960 series?
   164. Jay Seaver Posted: October 16, 2021 at 06:00 PM (#6046970)
I am enjoying this.
   165. Jay Seaver Posted: October 16, 2021 at 06:03 PM (#6046971)
Joe Buck saying Garcia left for "right knee discomfort".
   166. The_Ex Posted: October 16, 2021 at 06:35 PM (#6046973)
Red Sox have been somewhat fortunate this off-season. Namely the Tampa kid pitchers seem to hit a wall and didn't give the Rays the innings they needed. And now McCullers and Garcia get injured to hamstring the Astros.

Or, from a different perspective, its almost as if the hitters know whats coming.
   167. Textbook Editor Posted: October 16, 2021 at 06:49 PM (#6046974)
I think unless he runs into major trouble you let Eovaldi get to around 100 pitches.
   168. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 16, 2021 at 07:42 PM (#6046978)
Beautiful Sunday morning here in Sydney. After a 3 hour mountain bike ride, finally got a chance to check and see how Sox are going?
Things are good. Will now go back to enjoying beautiful Sunday morning in Sydney.

Btw, #166. If you are going to troll, please try harder
   169. Jay Seaver Posted: October 16, 2021 at 07:45 PM (#6046979)
I laughed at the beachball.
   170. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 16, 2021 at 07:46 PM (#6046980)
Random use of one of Springsteen’s lesser songs. That was odd.
   171. Jay Seaver Posted: October 16, 2021 at 07:48 PM (#6046981)
I understand hitting Hernandez here. Limit the damage.
   172. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2021 at 08:24 PM (#6046983)
I just noticed that both lead-off hitters in this game hit more than 30 homers this year. I bet that doesn't happen very often.
   173. Lassus Posted: October 16, 2021 at 09:04 PM (#6046986)
How is game one of a Championship Series a bullpen game?
   174. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#6046990)
I know Kerahaw's out, and Dusrin May missed nearly the whole season. What happened to David Price?
   175. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:13 PM (#6046991)
This guy Vesia has a pretty great mustache.
   176. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:27 PM (#6046992)
Matzek inducing a weak pop-up from Mookie Betts and striking out Trea Turner with a runner on third is some real bad-ass stuff.
   177. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:34 PM (#6046993)
It's kind of remarkable that it took major league teams this long to figure out they should just put their fielders where the batter was likely to hit the ball.
   178. Walt Davis Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:47 PM (#6046994)
How is game one of a Championship Series a bullpen game?

They used Urias for 4 on Thurs and Scherzer for 1 after having thrown 7 on Mon. Buehler had already pitched on short rest on Tues. They could have started Gonsolin or at least tried to get more than 1.2 out of him today. Price is not on the roster for this series. He did start regularly across July-Aug with a mediocre 4.00 ERA but only made it even 5 innings twice and then was used only sparingly in Sept and didn't pitch well.

Unless it's a sweep, the Dodgers will likely have at least one more game with a reliever starting although maybe just as an opener for Urias or Gonsolin. And given I think they have just one LH reliever on the roster (a kid named Bruihl), Urias might be needed on one of his "off" days. If the series goes deep, I suspect we'll see at least one of Buehler and Scherzer on short rest.
   179. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:48 PM (#6046995)
I'm not sure what happened to David Price.

He pitched (poorly) in relief on October 2nd, so maybe they just decided not to use him in the post-season?
   180. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 16, 2021 at 10:53 PM (#6046996)
Great game tonight. Not an inordinate amount of K's. How many Will Smith v Will Smith at-bats will we see this series?
   181. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6046997)
What were you doing, Taylor?
   182. Walt Davis Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:06 PM (#6046998)
It's kind of remarkable that it took major league teams this long to figure out they should just put their fielders where the batter was likely to hit the ball.

I don't think it was that long ago they finally got the data to know this. Prior to this they had, at best, their own spray charts of a batter's PAs against them, assuming they even bothered to compile these into a database across multiple games. Now you have a batter's spray chart across all their PAs already compiled for you.

And despite all this positioning, BA on GBs has been highly consistent for the last 19 seasons at least. For 2003-21, AL BAgb has average 242; it was 240 this year; 240 in 2019; has ranged from 233 (2010) to 247 (2008; 2016). At the very most, we are talking about a reduction of about 130 singles per year across the entire AL ... not per team, for the entire league. One less single every 20 games. It is more likely we are looking at a reduction of nearly zero. Or, at best, better positioning allows teams to play slower, bulkier IFs who hit more HRs, giving back what they might save in singles with better defenders and good positioning.

(For 2000-2002, they did something to screw up GB splits; for 1988-1999, BAgb was lower than 240 (sometimes by a lot) except for 1994.)
   183. Zach Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:06 PM (#6046999)
9th inning TOOTBLAN!
   184. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:06 PM (#6047000)
TOOTBLAN
   185. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:08 PM (#6047001)
In a coin flip game, that feels like a fatal mistake.
   186. Zach Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:11 PM (#6047002)
Followed by a classic Texas leaguer.
   187. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 16, 2021 at 11:15 PM (#6047003)
That's a hell of a game, and with a just and noble ending.
   188. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 17, 2021 at 02:20 AM (#6047006)
I'm not sure what happened to David Price.

He pitched (poorly) in relief on October 2nd, so maybe they just decided not to use him in the post-season?


According to mlb,com, Price was on the active roster for the Giants series, although he was not used, but was replaced for the NLCS:

... after being included on the NL Division Series roster, left-hander David Price and outfielder Billy McKinney were left off the NLCS roster in favor of right-hander Evan Phillips and lefty Justin Bruihl.
   189. Astroenteritis Posted: October 17, 2021 at 09:57 AM (#6047008)
Or, from a different perspective, its almost as if the hitters know whats coming.


Yeah, they know to just hang in there until the pitcher injures himself. This is going to be just like 2018, when the Astros won the opener then lost four in a row to Boston.
Oh well, sh*t happens!
   190. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 17, 2021 at 01:14 PM (#6047010)
It's kind of remarkable that it took major league teams this long to figure out they should just put their fielders where the batter was likely to hit the ball.

I don't think it was that long ago they finally got the data to know this.

The first edition of The Fielding Bible came out in 2006, and it's hard to imagine that clubs didn't have this sort of data before that. But it seems like it's only been in the past 4 or 5 years that shifts have been almost automatically applied for every possible player and situation.
   191. bunyon Posted: October 17, 2021 at 01:15 PM (#6047011)
I know you should never punt a playoff game but I think the Astros should have gone to a position player at 8-0 needing to get 24 more outs. They’re pitching situation has gone supercritical.
   192. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 17, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6047015)
You can't ask position players to get 24 outs.
   193. bunyon Posted: October 17, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6047017)
Rotate them. Point is, they’d lost game 2 and their pitching is a wreck.
   194. Walt Davis Posted: October 17, 2021 at 05:26 PM (#6047023)
Didn't the Fielding Bible give us the oft-derided DRS? (Or vice versa) Didn't the Fielding Bible still rely on human observers marking down the supposed location and speed of the ball hit? Fangraphs has spray charts back to 2012.

And Maddon unveiled his "Ortiz shift" (the 2B out in short RF) in 2006. (Supposedly based on personal observation, not data.) The big change began around 2013, the year after fangraphs data begins. MLB first publicly considered banning the shift in 2015. Once they had good data on where balls were hit, they started shifting.

And, once again ... Ortiz BAgb

2002 202
2003 177
2004 218
2005 223
2006 198
2007 278
2008 198
2009 152
2010 219
2011 207
2012 200
2013 230
2014 188
2015 157
2016 149

career 195 ... any obvious shift effect there? In 2009 and the last two years of his career, he did terribly on GB, the other years are consistently bad, before and after the shift introduced.

Maybe positioning the 2B in short RF stole some line-drive hits. Maybe it did but he hit 750 on line drives in his career, ranging from 712 to 791 over those same years except for a 622 in 2015. (Note the distinction between FBs and LDs pretty clearly changed at one point in that sequence.)

Give or take, Ortiz hit about 150 GB per year. As a big, slow guy, we wouldn't expect him to do very well on GB and he didn't. There's no evidence the shift made any difference to his BAgb and at most it shaved maybe 20 points off ... 3 singles a year. That's against a guy so pull-heavy, people have been shifting against him almost from the day he walked into the league. The poster boy for being killed by the shift.

People greatly overstate the impact of the shift and the consistency of where batters hit the ball and the efficacy of IFs in covering ground. Take a look at Schwarber's career spray chart at fangraphs for example -- on the one hand, it's a classic shift pattern; on the other hand, he goes the other way about 20% of the time. Note also the chart (appears to) give you where the ball was fielded, not where the ball first hit the ground ... lots of GBs fielded in short RF would have been fielded by a 2B stationed traditionally on the edge of the grass. Schwarber's BAgb is about 10 points below league average so he is losing maybe 1-1.5 singles a year.

In this paticular context, the issue isn't whether the shift works or not, it's whether its effects are so large that, in the absence of precise data, it should have been an obvious strategy. Since it's clear that the shift is, at best, a slight defensive improvement and/or quickly countered by batters, why would it surprise us that teams didn't shift in the absence of accurate data "proving" it leads to a minuscule improvement?

Compare that with the ####### obvious fact that baseball offense is and has been (since at least 1920) 90% line drives and HRs yet it took them until 5-10 years ago to incorporate a "launch angle" approach into training batters ... a launch angle approach that makes shifting even less useful.
   195. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 17, 2021 at 08:43 PM (#6047028)
We've all been watching it for years, but I love that old school Scherzer wind up where he takes the hands over the head to the shoulders, turns on the rubber and fires.. It how I was taught to pitch nearly 50 years ago.
   196. The Duke Posted: October 17, 2021 at 08:49 PM (#6047029)
Wasn’t clear to me that Rosario touched the base there. It looked like he might have but it wasn’t clear which brings up a question. Let’s say they call Rosario safe because he “beat” throw. Can Roberts challenge the foot touching the base (ie a second challenge) and then would the call on the field still be the call that Roberts has to beat or is he now safe and the replay has to show without a doubt that he didn’t touch first base?
   197. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 17, 2021 at 08:55 PM (#6047031)
I was surprised to learn there wasn't some rule that you can't review two-out groundballs into the shift on the right side in the third inning.
   198. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 17, 2021 at 09:00 PM (#6047032)
Max makes a mistake, Peterson hits a monster into the RF pavilion.
   199. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 17, 2021 at 09:01 PM (#6047033)
50%+ of runs scored via HR:
..[ x] this game
..[x ] this series
..[x ] this years playoffs
   200. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 17, 2021 at 09:02 PM (#6047034)
BTW that was a real nice post 178 explaining the pitching situation. Havent been able to follow all the games so that was an excellent way to bring me up to speed on the pitching situation. Thanks Walt.
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