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2021 World Series OMNICHATTER!

Houston vs. Atlanta

Well, I hope you’re happy.

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Hombre Brotani Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:21 AM | 456 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:48 AM (#6049081)

Atlanta was one of the few teams at the outset I was OK seeing win it all. It's been a while and their story is pretty cool seeing them make it here without one of their best hitters, along with their pickups in response to that injury having such a big impact. Who would've thought of all the Cub trades, Joc Peterson would be the last one standing in the postseason?

Don't really care for Houston, but it's been 18 years, so I'm ready to see Dusty finally get a ring.

Basically, I'm cool with either team winning it all, so let's get seven games. But I'll say Houston in six.

2. reech Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:15 AM (#6049083)

My prediction is that there is going to be a whole lot of hullabaloo over the Braves "War Chant".

3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:46 AM (#6049089)

That hullabaloo was first raised by Pat O'Brien during the 1991 World Series.

4. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:48 AM (#6049094)

The cheating is one thing, and how you feel about that depends on you and your perspective, but I think the thing that's annoyed me the most about this whole run is how the Astros dealing with the cheating fallout and taunting is consistently framed as them overcoming some sort of adversity, almost like it's a feel-good against all odds story about perseverance. That's a dumb reason to be annoyed with the Astros winning - at least compared to the cheating and other issues they had - but it's just drives me crazy. Sure, I wish the Astros had been punished more and there was a way the players could have had to deal with more than just some extra boos. Ignoring all that, this Astros team is really freaking good and actually pretty entertaining to watch and like other Cubs fans, time has changed my perspective on Dusty to the point that I would enjoy seeing him finally win (and him winning now doesn't retroactively absolve him for his role in the Cubs bedshitting).

Similarly, there's a lot to like about this specific Braves team and I appreciate the message of them winning would send about trying to win vs tanking. But yeah, the chant is just ####### annoying even if you ignore the insensitivity and tone deafness of it.

So, in conclusion, I would like a long and close series.

5. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM (#6049125)

I hate the chant and did as soon as it became a thing for the team I'd rooted for for 15 years (when it started). Whatever. The Braves winning would make my Dad, where ever he is, smile. The Astros winning would make my uncle smile.

Pretty simple. I'll hope for seven and let them duke it out in the great beyond.

6. salvomania Posted: October 26, 2021 at 12:47 PM (#6049135)

I would like to see seven crisp, drama-filled games with a lot of great defensive plays and no botched calls.

7. salvomania Posted: October 26, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6049136)

And I want to see starting pitchers go at least 5 innings every game.

8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 12:51 PM (#6049137)

I want a pony.

9. Astroenteritis Posted: October 26, 2021 at 01:08 PM (#6049142)

My ideal WS would have been Houston vs. San Francisco, but this is great, too. I still think the absence of McCullers is eventually going to cost Houston, but I hope it's a good series with memorable performances, and I certainly won't be upset to see Atlanta win it all if that's the way it shakes out.

10. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: October 26, 2021 at 02:06 PM (#6049156)

At least the Angels aren't going to lose today.

11. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: October 26, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6049159)

At least the Angels aren't going to lose today.

Not so fast my friend. They'll find a way. They always do.

12. Walt Davis Posted: October 26, 2021 at 04:18 PM (#6049180)

I still think the absence of McCullers is eventually going to cost Houston

Yep, the 7 2/3 innings he would have been allowed to pitch will be sorely missed. :)

13. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 26, 2021 at 05:00 PM (#6049191)

I want a pony.

Sorry, immigrants don't have ponies.

No dog in this fight, just want a long, exciting series and hopefully each team will use at least 6 pitchers per game.

14. Astroenteritis Posted: October 26, 2021 at 06:32 PM (#6049205)

Yep, the 7 2/3 innings he would have been allowed to pitch will be sorely missed. :)

Oh, so you also think he would have made two starts!

15. The_Ex Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:03 PM (#6049222)

Watching the international feed. It seems that a Craig Bagswell played with Craig Biggio. I don't remember him.

It sounds like Dan Plesac with the Bagswell comment.

16. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:11 PM (#6049224)

My official predictions for this series:

Game one: Braves 75, Astros 0
Game two: Braves 83, Astros 0
Game three: Braves 51, Astros 0
Game four: Astros 3, Braves 2
Game five: Braves 93, Astros 0

17. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:13 PM (#6049225)

50%+ of runs scored via HR:
..[ x] this game
..[x ] this series
..[x ] this years playoffs

18. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6049226)

Jorge Soler can murder some baseballs.

19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:17 PM (#6049227)

Uh-oh. Better get Valdez outta there.

20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:18 PM (#6049229)

First time through the order penalty.

21. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:52 PM (#6049234)

I want a pony.

Is A-Rod part of the broadcast team?

22. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:55 PM (#6049235)

TOOTBLAN?

23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 08:57 PM (#6049236)

Just a thought: If MLB realizes it has a problem with being perceived as slow, maybe they should tell Smoltz to stop going on about the virtues of pitchers “slowing the game down.” He does it in every damn game.

24. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:04 PM (#6049237)

1) MLB doesn’t realize it.

2) he’s telling what makes for a more effective pitcher and why there isn’t anything other than an explicit rule against slowing down to make them change.

25. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:07 PM (#6049238)

Jorge Soler was awful for the Royals April-June. He has had an OPS > .860 since then, including an entire July over .870 for the Royals.

Is BBRef correct that the Royals just got a middling high-A relief pitcher for Soler? Seems like with him having a hot month they could have gotten a little more.

26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:16 PM (#6049239)

This is some pretty poor frambing.

27. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6049240)

I think that I wouldn't want to go to a World Series game. Astros fans must be miserable, and they spent six zillion dollars on these tickets.

28. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:24 PM (#6049241)

So do the Astros have this terrible behind the pitcher view so their guy in center has a better view to see signals?

29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:27 PM (#6049242)

Shelby Miller! Haven't heard that name in a long time. Haven't added up the WARs, but I'm guessing the Braves won that trade.

30. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6049243)

I am booing this development. Boo.

31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6049244)

I wasn’t watching - did Morton get hurt or are they just pulling him with a 5-0 lead in the third freaking inning?

32. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:36 PM (#6049245)

Hurt. Because we can’t have starters.

33. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:37 PM (#6049246)

Hurt

34. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6049247)

Quite the turn of events here. Braves with a big lead, but losing their starter after 2.1 innings.

35. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6049248)

Bregman does the mini-me version of the Sheffield shuffle.

36. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6049249)

29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:27 PM (#6049242)
Shelby Miller! Haven't heard that name in a long time. Haven't added up the WARs, but I'm guessing the Braves won that trade.

19 WAR difference to date per bref.
It would have been a wash if they only traded him for Aaron Blair.

37. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:54 PM (#6049252)

My stream quality is such that it looks like I’m watching the 1991 series. Or maybe 1971.

38. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:55 PM (#6049253)

Braves were 44-28 after the All Star break.

Their 6 post-all star acquisitions were worth 4.3 WAR per bref. Basically 1 Acuna.

39. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:02 PM (#6049254)

I'm amazed that Shelby Miller was in the majors this year (only 12 IP). His Braves season was notable in its bad luck: a 6-17 record with a 127 ERA+. Not as unfortunate as Nolan Ryan's 1987, when he was 8-16 with a 142 ERA+.

40. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:03 PM (#6049255)

It’s shocking how well they played after losing Acuna. I gave up on them at that point.

41. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:04 PM (#6049256)

Miller also came within one out of a no-hitter in 2015. The Kent Mercker Curse lives on.

42. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:04 PM (#6049257)

How much do you think that guy is getting paid to be at a World Series game wearing a big stupid moon head? Enough to make it worthwhile to be at a World Series game wearing a big stupid moon head?

43. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6049260)

This guy's given name is actually Chas. Joc's given name is Joc.

44. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:16 PM (#6049262)

The Braves' Twitter feed is saying that Morton fractured his fibula and is, as you might expect, out for the World Series.

That's a gut punch.

45. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6049265)

How did Morton keep going after breaking his freaking leg?

46. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:22 PM (#6049266)

Rosenthal had that info on the broadcast. My picture is crap but the audio is perfect.

47. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:22 PM (#6049267)

I'm going to want to see the HP ump's report card after this game, because it sure looks like he's given Astros' pitchers a pretty damn big strike zone.

48. cardsfanboy

Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6049268)

It’s shocking how well they played after losing Acuna. I gave up on them at that point.

They were kinda the consensus team to win the division this year in almost all pre-season polls, they just started slow, and nobody else in their division was worth a crap, so even without Acuna they were more than likely going to find their way into the title.

49. cardsfanboy

Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:27 PM (#6049269)

The Braves' Twitter feed is saying that Morton fractured his fibula and is, as you might expect, out for the World Series.

That's a gut punch.

The Braves might be up 3-0 before his next scheduled start anyway.

50. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:45 PM (#6049274)

Nothing says “pace of play” like a catcher mound visit, then a manager mound visit, *then* a pitching change.

Proposed rule: Any mound visit while a reliever is warming up must result in the pitcher being removed. In doing so, the manager must first signal to the bullpen upon emerging from the dugout. Only when the reliever has entered the field of play may the manager approach the mound.

51. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6049279)

'Chas' isn't a real name. That's not how this works. I think this guy is actually a Civil War vet.

52. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: October 26, 2021 at 10:59 PM (#6049280)

He probably signs his autograph with a fountain pen.

53. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:11 PM (#6049285)

Jesus. Dusty pulls the same #### again - has a nice long chat with the pitcher, presumably explaining in detail why he’s about to take him out. That’s an ump failure.

54. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:26 PM (#6049291)

I'm amazed that Shelby Miller was in the majors this year (only 12 IP).

He legit looked serviceable in the spring for the Cubs. Unfortunately for him, it was just spring training.

55. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:42 PM (#6049294)

Huh. I had no idea about Snitker’s son coaching for the Astros.

56. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:43 PM (#6049295)

Stanek not exactly supporting the “pitchers are athletes” argument.

57. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:43 PM (#6049296)

Geez. I'm glad super slo-mo wasn't around when I booted balls like that.

58. Howie Menckel Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:47 PM (#6049298)

back in town after another junket, and it's 11:42 pm ET and 5-1 in the top of the 8th of Game 1 WS.

have watched very little, and cannot imagine any sentient being just sitting on the couch and "wearing" all these commercials and ludicrous delays between any action.

will wait at least through 2 games, I promise, before reiterating remedial/satisfying solutions (which won't solve the preposterous real-time end of games ET, alas).

59. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:47 PM (#6049299)

That Tucker throw was pretty weak. He was in shallow right and really should've nailed the guy at home.

60. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:49 PM (#6049300)

cannot imagine any sentient being just sitting on the couch and "wearing" all these commercials and ludicrous delays between any action.

Eh, it’s ok if you drink some wine and read while you’re watching. And what else would I be doing as a middle-aged guy on a Tuesday night in October?

61. bunyon Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:54 PM (#6049302)

Yeah, I don't think I could only watch the game. Been doing some work. And the wine ElRoy Face mentioned.

62. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:57 PM (#6049304)

And Gurriel starts his slide like 15 feet from the bag and runs into an out in the 8th...

Asian people are not displeased with this outcome.

63. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2021 at 11:59 PM (#6049305)

Oof. Was Gurriel running hard out of the box?

64. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:01 AM (#6049307)

And the wine ElRoy Face mentioned.

My wife cooked some fantastic duck breasts for dinner, so I opened a nice merlot. What’s your pick?

65. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:07 AM (#6049308)

There was a bottle of Cab Sav from something my wife did a few nights ago. Had left over spaghetti heated in the microwave. Our nights may have differed in quality.

66. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:08 AM (#6049309)

To be fair, I should have heated it on the stove. My wife's sauce is excellent. But I am lazy.

67. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:11 AM (#6049310)

I genuinely love leftover spaghetti. Assuming that the pasta wasn’t overcooked to begin with such that it turns to mush on reheating. But as I’m sure you’re well aware, a good sauce is often even better the second time around.

68. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:13 AM (#6049311)

So every time they show Joe Buck in the booth I can't help but think of the Seinfeld episode where George has the ladies glasses.

69. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:15 AM (#6049313)

Yeah, it was really good. The pasta didn't do well in the microwave. The wine is good, too. Not great.

70. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:16 AM (#6049314)

Altuve is good enough with the bat to go the other way against the shift. It's the world series and you're down 4. Get on base.

71. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:17 AM (#6049315)

What ingredients does she use in the sauce?

72. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:18 AM (#6049316)

Welp, just another routine 6-2 game in 4+ hours.

73. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:19 AM (#6049317)

Let’s see what pearls of wisdom ARod has to impart about this game.

74. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:20 AM (#6049318)

Oh, man. We've only been married 23 years so I wouldn't really know. She's not Italian, so it's not a secret recipe. There are tomatoes and a lot of spices. Peppers and onions. Mushrooms. I should know this, shouldn't I?

75. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:23 AM (#6049319)

Eh, IIRC the 20th anniversary is silver, the 30th is diamond, and the 25th is pasta sauce recipe.

76. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:25 AM (#6049320)

Interesting that the George Michael hoop-and-cross earring from the late ‘80s is apparently back in style.

77. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:25 AM (#6049321)

Lol. She’s going to get the short end of the stick on that one.

78. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:30 AM (#6049322)

I think ARod just said that in the past 23 years, teams that win Game 1 are 20-3 in the Series. I assume that must be cherry-picked to some extent because why 23? But nonetheless I’m a little surprised by the lopsidedness.

79. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: October 27, 2021 at 07:07 AM (#6049329)

Because that's how long bunyon has been married.

80. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 07:39 AM (#6049331)

My secret is out. I’m ARod.

81. BDC

Posted: October 27, 2021 at 09:04 AM (#6049343)

Yes, I can't not watch the World Series, but I have to concentrate more tonight on reading my book. I would also try drinking (whiskey for preference) but I have to teach tomorrow.

82. TomH Posted: October 27, 2021 at 11:03 AM (#6049358)

if old-timey Cardinals fans were present here, we'd be hearing much about Bob Gibson pitching on a broken leg. Famous tough old Gibby.

Was this mentioned during the broadcast last night? I only caught about half of the game.

83. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 11:10 AM (#6049360)

It was. Rosenthal broke the news very quickly. X-Ray as soon as Morton came out. News out very quickly after that.

84. salvomania Posted: October 27, 2021 at 11:59 AM (#6049367)

if old-timey Cardinals fans were present here, we'd be hearing much about Bob Gibson pitching on a broken leg. Famous tough old Gibby.

For the record, Gibson only pitched to three more batters after the Roberto Clemente line drive broke his leg.

85. salvomania Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:05 PM (#6049368)

After breaking his leg, on June 29, Gibson's ERA stood at an un-Gibson-like 3.52 through his 16 starts.

He returned to action on September 7, and over his remaining five starts he allowed only four earned runs to finish the season with a 2.98 ERA.

86. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:29 PM (#6049370)

I'm going to want to see the HP ump's report card after this game, because it sure looks like he's given Astros' pitchers a pretty damn big strike zone.

He only missed 8 calls, but it seems like they all went in Houston's favor. At least the most "impactful" ones all benefited the Astros.

87. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 27, 2021 at 12:44 PM (#6049372)

I was coming to post that. The data backs up my kneejerk fanboy rage!

88. bunyon Posted: October 27, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6049386)

I wonder if the strike zone varies with margin like it does with count? Bigger for the team way behind than the team that is far ahead? I could see that being a subconscious bias.

89. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 27, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6049394)

Im guessing that's true and an interesting pt, bunyon.

90. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 27, 2021 at 03:10 PM (#6049397)

Anecdotally, it would seem to be true of me when forced to umpire any of my 10 year old son's games this year (the kids are pitching in this level).

91. tonywagner Posted: October 27, 2021 at 04:17 PM (#6049408)

I wonder if the strike zone varies with margin like it does with count?

They don't show by score but this study says "Umpire error rate inconsistency by innings was only marginal"

92. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:20 PM (#6049449)

Soler swings right through a 94mph fastball right down main street with 2 on to end the inning.

93. Tony S Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:22 PM (#6049451)

Am I hearing "struck him out" a half second before I actually see the batter swing and miss?

94. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:26 PM (#6049452)

Altuve ropes one down the LF line for a double. Overweight sound guy and overweight ball man nearly stumble over each other getting out of the way...

95. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:27 PM (#6049453)

Fried getting hit hard.

96. salvomania Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:36 PM (#6049455)

Overweight sound guy and overweight ball man nearly stumble over each other getting out of the way...

That seems like an incident waiting to happen... they are obstacles for each other on any fair line drive that enters foul territory down the left-field line.

97. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:41 PM (#6049456)

That's the hardest d'Arnaud has hit a ball in months.

98. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:50 PM (#6049457)

Siri, steal second!

99. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:51 PM (#6049458)

Braves fail to cover 3rd, where the throw correctly goes, and Siri runs around from 1st on a single to LF.

100. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: October 27, 2021 at 08:53 PM (#6049459)

How does that ever happen? It’s not like they had shifted their fielders extremely.

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