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2022-23 Preseason NBA thread

I estimate there are 10 or 12 clever intros left for this thread, but I can’t think of any.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 06, 2022 at 05:25 PM | 271 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Dolf Lucky Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:34 PM (#6097347)
I wish that at least some of the pushback on Ant included a message of "social media destroys your brain...get off it"

*Intentional double post to flip the page*
   202. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:52 PM (#6097358)
Unlike old-timey baseball sites - those are awesome!

:)
   203. spivey Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:58 PM (#6097361)
197: Those guys just aren't worth swaps imo unless the swaps are protected for the top 3-5 picks. I dunno, maybe teams won't value the swaps properly, but it feels a bit optimistic to me.
   204. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:25 PM (#6097373)
Most teams seem to dislike giving out swaps. I think it makes future trades and planning harder.
   205. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6097377)
(5) GH + Bertans + 2023 1st (the O'Neale pick) to LAL for Westbrook

From Utah's POV, that's 5 guys going out, 4 coming back (3 if Westbrook bought out). If the Lakers aren't willing to pay Indy's price for Turner/Hield, this is another possibility. They add needed shooting, and get a 1st, which is face-saving for both the team and for Russ.


Why would the Jazz give up a first for Westbrook?
   206. aberg Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:52 PM (#6097383)
Sarver is doing the right thing by selling the team, but even in doing the right thing, he has to blame the "unforgiving culture." What a ####. Saying you're a christian is not a blanket excuse for 20 years of treating everyone around you like lesser beings.
   207. Dolf Lucky Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:57 PM (#6097386)
Unlike old-timey baseball sites - those are awesome!

:)


Point taken. Somehow, I'm guessing BBTF offers different dopamine hit levels than the instabooktwitter gang.
   208. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:04 PM (#6097390)
Chicago Bulls @chicagobulls ·4m
Injury Update:

Lonzo Ball will undergo an arthroscopic debridement of his left knee on Wednesday, Sept. 28 in LA.

He will be re-evaluated in 4-6 weeks.


Not good news per se, but good news that there's some sort of news.
   209. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:04 PM (#6097392)

Sarver is doing the right thing by selling the team, but even in doing the right thing, he has to blame the "unforgiving culture." What a ####. Saying you're a christian is not a blanket excuse for 20 years of treating everyone around you like lesser beings.


Having grown up around mostly rightwing Mormons, I think this is how pretty much all conservative Christians weaponize "forgiveness."
   210. . . . . . . Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:49 PM (#6097400)
Sarver is Jewish. And IIRC, self identifies as politically progressive.
   211. DCA Posted: September 21, 2022 at 06:27 PM (#6097406)
Why would the Jazz give up a first for Westbrook?

Because the Lakers would be taking on big money for mediocre production for 2023-24 also (GH + Bertans make as much as Westbrook this year *and* next, and are just as not-worth-it as Westbrook).
   212. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: September 21, 2022 at 06:29 PM (#6097407)
Being a bad boss doesn't necessarily align with one's politics.
   213. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: September 21, 2022 at 07:30 PM (#6097411)
197: Those guys just aren't worth swaps imo unless the swaps are protected for the top 3-5 picks. I dunno, maybe teams won't value the swaps properly, but it feels a bit optimistic to me.

Agreed. I referenced "mid- to late lotto picks" in recognition that they would be protected in some form. In the article I specified at least top-2 protected (because no one would risk the possibility of losing Victor Wembanyama or Scoot Henderson for a role player) and quite possibly top-4 or top-5 protected. The idea would be swapping picks in the 20-30 range for picks in the 7-14 range, which I think is worth more to the Jazz than additional late first rounders.
   214. asinwreck Posted: September 21, 2022 at 09:53 PM (#6097433)

Not good news per se, but good news that there's some sort of news.

Great - if the discomfort is due to loose bodies in the knee. Not great if the bone bruise remains the problem.
   215. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: September 22, 2022 at 01:31 AM (#6097454)
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
39m
Celtics coach Ime Udoka had an improper intimate and consensual relationship with a female member of the team staff, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
. It’s been deemed a violation of franchise’s code of conduct.
   216. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: September 22, 2022 at 01:45 AM (#6097455)
"And IIRC, self identifies as politically progressive"
-----


Perhaps, but he is a typical donate-to-both-sides mega-rich person or big$ corp:


Meanwhile, Suns managing partner Robert Sarver donated at least $13,800 to Martha McSally’s two Senate campaigns in 2019, according to FEC filings. Sarver has also supported Republican political action committees like the National Republican Senatorial Committee and DefendArizona, which support the current Senate, which has delivered no action when it comes to criminal justice reform since Floyd’s death on May 25.

In an exclusive comment to Bright Side of the Sun, here’s how Sarver explained his support for McSally:

“Martha McSally has been a supporter of equal rights. Deciding on what candidate to support is not about one issue, it’s about many issues that impact our country and our state. Social justice is ONE issue along with job creation, education, and healthcare that are paramount to me.”

To be fair, Sarver has donated on both sides of the political spectrum, including large sums to U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, an Arizona Democrat, and Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat. And in 2020, Sarver’s political action has waned. The FEC shows no political donations from Sarver this year.


An Arizona billionaire donating to both McSally and Sinema is about as surprising as Russell Westbrook missing a 3.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/10/2/21457520/nba-owners-political-donations-robert-sarver-republican




   217. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 06:12 AM (#6097458)
Huh.
   218. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 07:27 AM (#6097460)
Am I crazy or is that probably it for Udoka? Feel like suspension, leave of absence, then stepping away seems like a likely path.

   219. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:26 AM (#6097466)
Eh he'll probably just get fired now (no details yet but I guess for me it's pretty tough to imagine there is a woman employed by the Celtics with more organizational power than Udoka has, therefore you probably fire him).
   220. spivey Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:44 AM (#6097467)
Given that it is apparently consensual (though obviously power dynamics can make you ask questions about this), I think Udoka can/will be able to come back from this. Billups and Kidd have jobs, among probably others.

Per ESPN sounds like sources don't think he'll be fired.

Probably just suspended for 10 games w/o pay or something?
   221. asinwreck Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:55 AM (#6097468)
I don't think Celtics' sources (this is Brad Stevens speaking without attribution, right?) would tell Woj the following if the ultimate disciplinary measure is a short suspension.
While no final decision has been made, internal discussions have included scenarios that would keep Udoka out for the entirety of the 2022-23 season, sources said.
   222. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 09:45 AM (#6097471)
Well at least League Pass is much cheaper this year!
   223. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:00 AM (#6097473)
Don't #### where you eat, folks. It's not that damn hard.
   224. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:04 AM (#6097475)
Bojan to Detroit for Olynyk and Saben Lee. Doesn't get bigger than that.
   225. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM (#6097476)
Suspended for the season. So that's the end of his career in Boston, I'd say.

(Can't imagine what's worth a season-long suspension that isn't instead worth a firing.)

EDIT: Sorry I misread Woj, he's still saying "likely" about the season-long thing. Also saying assistant Joe Mazzulla will "likely" be the interim. He was a candidate for the Jazz job I think.
   226. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:32 AM (#6097477)
Doesn't Boston (the city, not the C's) have some recent experience with this? It's not the same thing, but what happened with Cora and the Red Sox could be a blueprint here for him coaching for them again.
   227. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:35 AM (#6097478)
Doesn't Boston (the city, not the C') have some recent experience with this? It's not the same thing, but what happened with Cora and the Red Sox could be a blueprint here for him coaching for them again.

Was just texting about this with a friend and it turns out my memory was accurate: they actually fired Cora and then rehired him a year later, but he was suspended by the league for a year. So not totally dissimilar, your point stands.
   228. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:44 AM (#6097479)
In extremely cool news I have now learned from the internet that the likely interim was arrested in college for domestic violence, so they might be in an interim to the interim situation shortly.
   229. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:47 AM (#6097480)
I double checked too, and I think it was framed as a "mutual decision" to part ways but that almost always means fired.
   230. billyshears Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:53 AM (#6097481)
I'm calling BS on "consensual", or at least that there is more to it than that. It's bad to date a subordinate. Usually there are reporting obligations involved, and it's often outright prohibited. But people tend not to get effectively fired if everybody involved is happy about the whole thing.
   231. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: September 22, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6097491)
saben lee had been on my mind of late, which says more about me than about him.
point guards are the hardest players to judge, i think - more context dependent than many - but lee could be a pretty decent backup if he can just get his three point shot up to league average. odds are that won't happen, but he was a guy i was looking at as a 3rd pg had the pistons cut him (as some had speculated might happen).

welp, guess bojan was never fetching a first (not that i thought he would).

hardly a unique sentiment, but poor nia long (udoka's partner). she didn't deserve to have this stuff aired out in the world (not that that's not part of the deal when you or your partner is well known).

thinking about the pistons swapping out grant and olynyk for a year of bojan + duren + bad contracts. nice work.
   232. spivey Posted: September 22, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6097492)
Really quite surprised that's the best Bojan could fetch. Now, very few of the good teams have picks to trade so I think FRP was never likely, but is this deal really better than 1-2 seconds?
   233. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: September 22, 2022 at 12:11 PM (#6097495)
utah's adds years of obligation here as well.

now, olynyk is (imo) really underrated. and bojan is a bit overrated. but, yeah.
   234. DCA Posted: September 22, 2022 at 12:17 PM (#6097497)
Obviously, a good deal for Detroit - getting a player that fits for two who don't, without any cost in picks or future money.

But I don't hate it for Utah. Olynyk is a great placeholder big for them, and Lee should have the opportunity to play and audition for a long-term role (especially if Conley is dealt, but even if not). I don't think, at this point in the offseason, there was any market for Bojan for a first without sending salary back (a la O'Neale).

Olynyk is a solid rotation piece, is easier to move with a lower salary, and the Jazz can do it either this year or next. I think he'll fetch at least a second unless he's hurt. I think he's more likely to end the season on contender than he is to remain with the Jazz all year.

There isn't really future obligation for Utah, just opportunity. Olynyk is only guaranteed $3m and is very likely to be an asset on a $12m expiring deal. Lee is a team option.
   235. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: September 22, 2022 at 12:40 PM (#6097503)
didn't know olynyk had only a 3m guarantee; cool.

another entry in: der-k offers a mini scouting report on a dude that anyone reading this thread already knows! whatever - helps me think about these dudes.
he's expensive for a bench big but, somewhat unusually for a "weird player", fits in lots of scenarios. he's a plus playmaker for a big, a solid shooter from distance (though he's really fallen off a bit) and historically efficient around the basket (though less so last year - is that detroit or age?), and an underrated defender who can credibly fit in at the four or five (depending on who is next to him). otoh, not a great rebounder, foul prone, not a rim protector nor a guy you want chasing people around the perimeter.
i like him (and have been surprised by his post-college growth); how much should we worry about his decline (i mean, that's not the end of the world for utah, apart from for his trade value)?
   236. spivey Posted: September 22, 2022 at 01:18 PM (#6097513)
There isn't really future obligation for Utah, just opportunity. Olynyk is only guaranteed $3m and is very likely to be an asset on a $12m expiring deal. Lee is a team option.


I think Olynyk is solid, I just don't think almost any team is more likely to give you assets for a big than for a big wing who can shoot 40% from 3. Olynyk is probably a pretty good big to have with young perimeter players, as he creates some space.
   237. tshipman Posted: September 22, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6097542)
I feel like I need to invite more people to the Bojan player-hater ball. Serve more canapes at the reception? Mix better cocktails at the bar?

I am really confident that he's negative value on that contract. This is a great deal for Utah. Olynyk is actually helpful to a playoff team as a bench big.
   238. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: September 22, 2022 at 06:19 PM (#6097549)
   239. tshipman Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:29 PM (#6097567)
So all the leaks now seem to make more sense.

The Celtics would prefer Ime Udoka quit (possibly for $$ reasons? possibly for precedent setting reasons? unclear).
Udoka would very much prefer to be paid.

Thus the leaks, then the leak of threatened suspension, and now Udoka coming out and saying he won't quit. Whole thing is weird.
   240. jmurph Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:56 AM (#6097607)
So now that there's an added harassment element I just completely don't understand why he hasn't been fired already? I'm, blissfully, not an attorney, there are presumably some contractually mandated steps to follow here.

Also maybe the man has been a saint for the past decade plus since the incident, I have no idea, but they very obviously can't go into the season following this stuff with an interim coach who has a domestic violence arrest in his past.
   241. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 23, 2022 at 08:11 AM (#6097608)
Whole thing is weird.


If you think of it as the Timberwolves and not the Celtics it makes much more sense.
   242. asinwreck Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:08 AM (#6097611)
Imagine telling Nets and Celtics fans on July 1 what the respective states of those teams would be on September 23.
   243. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:33 AM (#6097615)
If you think of it as the Timberwolves and not the Celtics it makes much more sense.

Yes, this. It actually makes me nervous that something even weirder and even worse is about to drop in Minnesota.
   244. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:42 AM (#6097633)
What tshipman said in 239 is prob true but fwiw, this Cs org has a rep for obsessing over good PR and going out of its way to avoid bad. Might help to explain some of the more huh elements of their approach to this.
   245. tshipman Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:44 AM (#6097634)
The thing is that we know about this only because the Celtics have leaked it. There must be stuff we don't know?

I saw this list, so not my work, but seems reasonable:

A: Someone is pregnant

B: Sexual Harassment

C: Multiple partners

D: Another member of the organizations partner

E: All of the above

   246. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:53 AM (#6097635)
There must be a lot we don't know! The preemptive leak/timing could just be to get it out of the way pre-season and/or absorb some of the negative news around Robert Williams' surgery. But then the length of the suspension would indicate it's something pretty goddam serious.
   247. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:55 AM (#6097636)
Another one to add to the list -- was specifically told by mgmt to stop the relationship, lied and continued anyway.
   248. Fourth True Outcome Posted: September 23, 2022 at 12:48 PM (#6097640)
Also maybe the man has been a saint for the past decade plus since the incident, I have no idea, but they very obviously can't go into the season following this stuff with an interim coach who has a domestic violence arrest in his past.

You'd think, but that seems to be exactly what they're doing. Jared Weiss mentioned on a podcast obliquely that Mazzulla struggled in his youth with alcohol and that in his telling these incidents were a wakeup call, but Brad Stevens basically vouched for his character when asked about it in a press conference today. I assume that means Mazzulla will address it himself whenever he speaks to the media, but we'll see how he does and how that goes. They seem to think he's been above reproach and I guess he's the internal candidate that makes the most sense, but it sure seems like they're adding an extra layer of difficulty and potential disaster to an already fraught situation.
   249. aberg Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6097642)
Yes, this. It actually makes me nervous that something even weirder and even worse is about to drop in Minnesota.


We already did the inappropriate relationship angle, so we have to ratchet it up to something even more shocking. It's like Mankind watching Shawn Michaels getting thrown from the side of the Hell in a Cell and saying, "what if I went off the top?"
   250. tshipman Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:32 PM (#6097646)
We already did the inappropriate relationship angle, so we have to ratchet it up to something even more shocking. It's like Mankind watching Shawn Michaels getting thrown from the side of the Hell in a Cell and saying, "what if I went off the top?"


A-Rod having a human/equine/human threesome. That's my final offer.
   251. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:35 PM (#6097647)
A-Rod having a human/equine/human threesome. That's my final offer.
careful; that #### is dangerous.


(fun fact: i haven't thought of that in like 15 years. but as soon as you triggered my memory of it, i knew to google "seattle horse death" and i found it literally 3 seconds.)
   252. tshipman Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:49 PM (#6097650)
(fun fact: i haven't thought of that in like 15 years. but as soon as you triggered my memory of it, i knew to google "seattle horse death" and i found it literally 3 seconds.)


The very definition of "weird flex."
   253. aberg Posted: September 23, 2022 at 04:41 PM (#6097668)
Somehow, that's the second time the Enumclaw horse case has come up today. Here is the other: https://twitter.com/TheNeedling/status/1573174140575817729?s=20&t=nockSLRKfvjd74QVOI5PRw.

My FIL is from Enumclaw.
   254. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: September 23, 2022 at 04:56 PM (#6097671)
The very definition of "weird flex."
you're not wrong.

defector:
rather than suspend Udoka and leave him in limbo with a damaged reputation, Smith said, the Celtics should have either quietly fired him or quietly kept him as head coach if they didn’t think whatever he did merits firing him. He’s not wrong to point out the central mystery of the saga: What could be so severe as to warrant a one-year suspension but not severe enough to fire him?

Unfortunately, though, Smith is also totally incapable of making a delicate point. Just as quickly as he stumbled into insight, he veered into offense: “It said, in the numerous news reports, it was a consensual relationship that violated organizational policy. So only he is in violation of company policy? The woman who elected to have a consensual relationship with him is not in violation?” ESPN reporter Malika Andrews joined the show right after he said this and heroically told Smith, “Stop.”

Smith snapped at Andrews for “telling me to stop on my show,” and insisted that he was not blaming women but instead meant that the Celtics shouldn’t have made any part of the story public.
   255. tshipman Posted: September 23, 2022 at 05:30 PM (#6097674)
I actually kind of agree with Stephen A.

The Celtics should have fired Udoka. Leaking this stuff in order to try to get him to resign is kind of ugly and did bad stuff to the female employees of the organization. Creating an information vacuum like this is pretty irresponsible.

However, it's also possible that *Udoka* leaked all of this stuff. In that case, then Udoka was the one trying to create pressure to keep his job, and all of this is extra ugly on his part.

If the Celtics really are leaking this in order to try to get a discount on firing him, that's pretty gross. Also gross, btw: the behavior of Woj in the first place, but that's par for the course.
   256. Rally Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:24 PM (#6097686)
Maybe there’s more to the story. A full year suspension for a consensual relationship doesn’t make sense.

Glad jerry Buss didn’t react the same way when Phil Jackson coached the Lakers.
   257. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:37 PM (#6097689)
Maybe there’s more to the story. A full year suspension for a consensual relationship doesn’t make sense.
there's absolutely more to the story. from the same link in [254]:
Last night, Charania walked back his earlier characterization in a story for The Athletic. “At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual,” he wrote. “But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.
   258. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:47 PM (#6097690)
Glad jerry Buss didn’t react the same way when Phil Jackson coached the Lakers.
According to the Hulu Lakers documentary series, when Jeanie Buss and Jackson were a couple, Jeanie made sure everyone in Lakers management knew about the relationship. Apparently, watching her dad's endless line of easy conquests left a mark.
   259. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:58 PM (#6097693)
A full year suspension for a consensual relationship doesn’t make sense.


Depends on who the woman is and what some of the power dynamics were, in terms of Udoka, the woman, and her position/role with Boston.

The Phil/Jeanie thing turned into a problem with the weirdness around the MDA hire in '13.
   260. tshipman Posted: September 23, 2022 at 08:48 PM (#6097704)
We should all take a moment to appreciate just how good a week Doc Rivers is having. Early in the week, Doc had an issue where someone pointed out that he had been liking porn on Twitter.

Then Sarver selling and Udoka news broke. What a great feeling this must be for Doc.
   261. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6097707)
Early in the week, Doc had an issue where someone pointed out that he had been liking porn on Twitter

unless you are mrs. glenn rivers, that's none of your business.

i know that he's a public figure, but if there aren't horses and/or children involved, get off the man's dick.
   262. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 08:59 AM (#6097738)
Smith snapped at Andrews for “telling me to stop on my show,” and insisted that he was not blaming women but instead meant that the Celtics shouldn’t have made any part of the story public.

I like the idea that the Celtics could just fire or suspend their 2nd year coach coming off a Finals appearance and everyone would have been like "cool makes sense I have no follow up questions."

That said, I think with hindsight it looks like Udoka's people were more than likely responsible for the initial leak? Given the emphasis on the relationship being consensual and that his job was not in danger.

Not trying to defend the team too much here, I think they should have fired him already (today would be the next best alternative!), and should not be promoting the interim guy.
   263. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 09:33 AM (#6097739)
If the Celtics really are leaking this in order to try to get a discount on firing him, that's pretty gross.

I'm also not really sure this makes sense- surely the man's contract doesn't protect him from being fired for cause due to sexual misconduct at work?
   264. tshipman Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:13 PM (#6097745)
I'm also not really sure this makes sense- surely the man's contract doesn't protect him from being fired for cause due to sexual misconduct at work?


No, but they could sue and use discovery to air some dirty laundry. Presumably Ime Udoka is not the first person in the Celtics org to dip his pen in the company ink. Has anyone else ever been suspended for a year? Seems like there is probably some kind of case here.

That said, I think with hindsight it looks like Udoka's people were more than likely responsible for the initial leak? Given the emphasis on the relationship being consensual and that his job was not in danger.


Yeah, this does seem more likely somehow. The whole thing is weird. You have Matt Barnes saying it's way worse than we know. Matt Barnes!

I will say, a whole lot of people are going to get uncomfortable with this. If you think there are a lot of rich white dudes who have done similar stuff to Sarver, I think 90%+ of the NBA has some kind of affair or sexual harassment incident.
   265. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:38 PM (#6097746)
Presumably Ime Udoka is not the first person in the Celtics org to dip his pen in the company ink.

It did occur to me if you're an executive or coach right now with any kind of bad history, especially with the Celtics but honestly even league wide, you've got to be pretty nervous right now! I imagine there's a lot sleuthing being done at the moment.

I will say, a whole lot of people are going to get uncomfortable with this. If you think there are a lot of rich white dudes who have done similar stuff to Sarver, I think 90%+ of the NBA has some kind of affair or sexual harassment incident.

Felt like 90% of the NBA world was telling on themselves over the past couple days. From tv personalities to ex-players to twitter randos, the "It's fine! Everyone does this!" brigade heavily outnumbered the rest of the crowd.


   266. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:44 PM (#6097747)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
New Orleans Pelicans guard CJ McCollum has agreed on a two-year, $64 million extension that’ll take him through 2025-2026, his agent Sam Goldfeder of @Excelbasketball tells ESPN. New deal ties McCollum to Pels for four years and $133M.

There's been a lot of these lately and I don't think I understand the urgency on the team side.
   267. smileyy Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM (#6097748)
Is this a Zion commitment demonstration thing?

Commitment would be surrounding him with good players, no?

Edit: okay maybe that's a little too much shade at CJ.
   268. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 01:15 PM (#6097752)
Ha, maybe a little harsh but I get it. They already had him for two more years, pretty expensively, he's 31, so not particularly young. I don't know. I guess being pretty good and actually wanting to play there are valuable traits for them.
   269. tshipman Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:08 PM (#6097754)
New TV deal comes into play here. Teams are really open to these below the max deals because they assume that the new TV deal is going to inflate salaries massively. I assume CJ is open to it because it's significantly more than he expects to receive on the open market.
   270. spivey Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:16 PM (#6097755)
Felt like 90% of the NBA world was telling on themselves over the past couple days. From tv personalities to ex-players to twitter randos, the "It's fine! Everyone does this!" brigade heavily outnumbered the rest of the crowd.


Scalabrine ####### did that with the Sarver stuff.
   271. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: September 24, 2022 at 11:06 PM (#6097865)
That CJ deal seems totally fine to me.
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