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2022-23 Preseason NBA thread

I estimate there are 10 or 12 clever intros left for this thread, but I can’t think of any.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 06, 2022 at 05:25 PM | 877 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Dolf Lucky Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:34 PM (#6097347)
I wish that at least some of the pushback on Ant included a message of "social media destroys your brain...get off it"

*Intentional double post to flip the page*
   202. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:52 PM (#6097358)
Unlike old-timey baseball sites - those are awesome!

:)
   203. spivey Posted: September 21, 2022 at 03:58 PM (#6097361)
197: Those guys just aren't worth swaps imo unless the swaps are protected for the top 3-5 picks. I dunno, maybe teams won't value the swaps properly, but it feels a bit optimistic to me.
   204. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:25 PM (#6097373)
Most teams seem to dislike giving out swaps. I think it makes future trades and planning harder.
   205. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6097377)
(5) GH + Bertans + 2023 1st (the O'Neale pick) to LAL for Westbrook

From Utah's POV, that's 5 guys going out, 4 coming back (3 if Westbrook bought out). If the Lakers aren't willing to pay Indy's price for Turner/Hield, this is another possibility. They add needed shooting, and get a 1st, which is face-saving for both the team and for Russ.


Why would the Jazz give up a first for Westbrook?
   206. aberg Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:52 PM (#6097383)
Sarver is doing the right thing by selling the team, but even in doing the right thing, he has to blame the "unforgiving culture." What a ####. Saying you're a christian is not a blanket excuse for 20 years of treating everyone around you like lesser beings.
   207. Dolf Lucky Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:57 PM (#6097386)
Unlike old-timey baseball sites - those are awesome!

:)


Point taken. Somehow, I'm guessing BBTF offers different dopamine hit levels than the instabooktwitter gang.
   208. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:04 PM (#6097390)
Chicago Bulls @chicagobulls ·4m
Injury Update:

Lonzo Ball will undergo an arthroscopic debridement of his left knee on Wednesday, Sept. 28 in LA.

He will be re-evaluated in 4-6 weeks.


Not good news per se, but good news that there's some sort of news.
   209. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:04 PM (#6097392)

Sarver is doing the right thing by selling the team, but even in doing the right thing, he has to blame the "unforgiving culture." What a ####. Saying you're a christian is not a blanket excuse for 20 years of treating everyone around you like lesser beings.


Having grown up around mostly rightwing Mormons, I think this is how pretty much all conservative Christians weaponize "forgiveness."
   210. . . . . . . Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:49 PM (#6097400)
Sarver is Jewish. And IIRC, self identifies as politically progressive.
   211. DCA Posted: September 21, 2022 at 06:27 PM (#6097406)
Why would the Jazz give up a first for Westbrook?

Because the Lakers would be taking on big money for mediocre production for 2023-24 also (GH + Bertans make as much as Westbrook this year *and* next, and are just as not-worth-it as Westbrook).
   212. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: September 21, 2022 at 06:29 PM (#6097407)
Being a bad boss doesn't necessarily align with one's politics.
   213. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: September 21, 2022 at 07:30 PM (#6097411)
197: Those guys just aren't worth swaps imo unless the swaps are protected for the top 3-5 picks. I dunno, maybe teams won't value the swaps properly, but it feels a bit optimistic to me.

Agreed. I referenced "mid- to late lotto picks" in recognition that they would be protected in some form. In the article I specified at least top-2 protected (because no one would risk the possibility of losing Victor Wembanyama or Scoot Henderson for a role player) and quite possibly top-4 or top-5 protected. The idea would be swapping picks in the 20-30 range for picks in the 7-14 range, which I think is worth more to the Jazz than additional late first rounders.
   214. asinwreck Posted: September 21, 2022 at 09:53 PM (#6097433)

Not good news per se, but good news that there's some sort of news.

Great - if the discomfort is due to loose bodies in the knee. Not great if the bone bruise remains the problem.
   215. rr: over-entitled starf@ck3r Posted: September 22, 2022 at 01:31 AM (#6097454)
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
39m
Celtics coach Ime Udoka had an improper intimate and consensual relationship with a female member of the team staff, sources tell
@TheAthletic

@Stadium
. It’s been deemed a violation of franchise’s code of conduct.
   216. rr: over-entitled starf@ck3r Posted: September 22, 2022 at 01:45 AM (#6097455)
"And IIRC, self identifies as politically progressive"
-----


Perhaps, but he is a typical donate-to-both-sides mega-rich person or big$ corp:


Meanwhile, Suns managing partner Robert Sarver donated at least $13,800 to Martha McSally’s two Senate campaigns in 2019, according to FEC filings. Sarver has also supported Republican political action committees like the National Republican Senatorial Committee and DefendArizona, which support the current Senate, which has delivered no action when it comes to criminal justice reform since Floyd’s death on May 25.

In an exclusive comment to Bright Side of the Sun, here’s how Sarver explained his support for McSally:

“Martha McSally has been a supporter of equal rights. Deciding on what candidate to support is not about one issue, it’s about many issues that impact our country and our state. Social justice is ONE issue along with job creation, education, and healthcare that are paramount to me.”

To be fair, Sarver has donated on both sides of the political spectrum, including large sums to U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, an Arizona Democrat, and Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat. And in 2020, Sarver’s political action has waned. The FEC shows no political donations from Sarver this year.


An Arizona billionaire donating to both McSally and Sinema is about as surprising as Russell Westbrook missing a 3.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/10/2/21457520/nba-owners-political-donations-robert-sarver-republican




   217. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 06:12 AM (#6097458)
Huh.
   218. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 07:27 AM (#6097460)
Am I crazy or is that probably it for Udoka? Feel like suspension, leave of absence, then stepping away seems like a likely path.

   219. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:26 AM (#6097466)
Eh he'll probably just get fired now (no details yet but I guess for me it's pretty tough to imagine there is a woman employed by the Celtics with more organizational power than Udoka has, therefore you probably fire him).
   220. spivey Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:44 AM (#6097467)
Given that it is apparently consensual (though obviously power dynamics can make you ask questions about this), I think Udoka can/will be able to come back from this. Billups and Kidd have jobs, among probably others.

Per ESPN sounds like sources don't think he'll be fired.

Probably just suspended for 10 games w/o pay or something?
   221. asinwreck Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:55 AM (#6097468)
I don't think Celtics' sources (this is Brad Stevens speaking without attribution, right?) would tell Woj the following if the ultimate disciplinary measure is a short suspension.
While no final decision has been made, internal discussions have included scenarios that would keep Udoka out for the entirety of the 2022-23 season, sources said.
   222. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 09:45 AM (#6097471)
Well at least League Pass is much cheaper this year!
   223. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:00 AM (#6097473)
Don't #### where you eat, folks. It's not that damn hard.
   224. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:04 AM (#6097475)
Bojan to Detroit for Olynyk and Saben Lee. Doesn't get bigger than that.
   225. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:15 AM (#6097476)
Suspended for the season. So that's the end of his career in Boston, I'd say.

(Can't imagine what's worth a season-long suspension that isn't instead worth a firing.)

EDIT: Sorry I misread Woj, he's still saying "likely" about the season-long thing. Also saying assistant Joe Mazzulla will "likely" be the interim. He was a candidate for the Jazz job I think.
   226. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:32 AM (#6097477)
Doesn't Boston (the city, not the C's) have some recent experience with this? It's not the same thing, but what happened with Cora and the Red Sox could be a blueprint here for him coaching for them again.
   227. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:35 AM (#6097478)
Doesn't Boston (the city, not the C') have some recent experience with this? It's not the same thing, but what happened with Cora and the Red Sox could be a blueprint here for him coaching for them again.

Was just texting about this with a friend and it turns out my memory was accurate: they actually fired Cora and then rehired him a year later, but he was suspended by the league for a year. So not totally dissimilar, your point stands.
   228. jmurph Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:44 AM (#6097479)
In extremely cool news I have now learned from the internet that the likely interim was arrested in college for domestic violence, so they might be in an interim to the interim situation shortly.
   229. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:47 AM (#6097480)
I double checked too, and I think it was framed as a "mutual decision" to part ways but that almost always means fired.
   230. billyshears Posted: September 22, 2022 at 10:53 AM (#6097481)
I'm calling BS on "consensual", or at least that there is more to it than that. It's bad to date a subordinate. Usually there are reporting obligations involved, and it's often outright prohibited. But people tend not to get effectively fired if everybody involved is happy about the whole thing.
   231. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: September 22, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6097491)
saben lee had been on my mind of late, which says more about me than about him.
point guards are the hardest players to judge, i think - more context dependent than many - but lee could be a pretty decent backup if he can just get his three point shot up to league average. odds are that won't happen, but he was a guy i was looking at as a 3rd pg had the pistons cut him (as some had speculated might happen).

welp, guess bojan was never fetching a first (not that i thought he would).

hardly a unique sentiment, but poor nia long (udoka's partner). she didn't deserve to have this stuff aired out in the world (not that that's not part of the deal when you or your partner is well known).

thinking about the pistons swapping out grant and olynyk for a year of bojan + duren + bad contracts. nice work.
   232. spivey Posted: September 22, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6097492)
Really quite surprised that's the best Bojan could fetch. Now, very few of the good teams have picks to trade so I think FRP was never likely, but is this deal really better than 1-2 seconds?
   233. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: September 22, 2022 at 12:11 PM (#6097495)
utah's adds years of obligation here as well.

now, olynyk is (imo) really underrated. and bojan is a bit overrated. but, yeah.
   234. DCA Posted: September 22, 2022 at 12:17 PM (#6097497)
Obviously, a good deal for Detroit - getting a player that fits for two who don't, without any cost in picks or future money.

But I don't hate it for Utah. Olynyk is a great placeholder big for them, and Lee should have the opportunity to play and audition for a long-term role (especially if Conley is dealt, but even if not). I don't think, at this point in the offseason, there was any market for Bojan for a first without sending salary back (a la O'Neale).

Olynyk is a solid rotation piece, is easier to move with a lower salary, and the Jazz can do it either this year or next. I think he'll fetch at least a second unless he's hurt. I think he's more likely to end the season on contender than he is to remain with the Jazz all year.

There isn't really future obligation for Utah, just opportunity. Olynyk is only guaranteed $3m and is very likely to be an asset on a $12m expiring deal. Lee is a team option.
   235. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: September 22, 2022 at 12:40 PM (#6097503)
didn't know olynyk had only a 3m guarantee; cool.

another entry in: der-k offers a mini scouting report on a dude that anyone reading this thread already knows! whatever - helps me think about these dudes.
he's expensive for a bench big but, somewhat unusually for a "weird player", fits in lots of scenarios. he's a plus playmaker for a big, a solid shooter from distance (though he's really fallen off a bit) and historically efficient around the basket (though less so last year - is that detroit or age?), and an underrated defender who can credibly fit in at the four or five (depending on who is next to him). otoh, not a great rebounder, foul prone, not a rim protector nor a guy you want chasing people around the perimeter.
i like him (and have been surprised by his post-college growth); how much should we worry about his decline (i mean, that's not the end of the world for utah, apart from for his trade value)?
   236. spivey Posted: September 22, 2022 at 01:18 PM (#6097513)
There isn't really future obligation for Utah, just opportunity. Olynyk is only guaranteed $3m and is very likely to be an asset on a $12m expiring deal. Lee is a team option.


I think Olynyk is solid, I just don't think almost any team is more likely to give you assets for a big than for a big wing who can shoot 40% from 3. Olynyk is probably a pretty good big to have with young perimeter players, as he creates some space.
   237. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 22, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6097542)
I feel like I need to invite more people to the Bojan player-hater ball. Serve more canapes at the reception? Mix better cocktails at the bar?

I am really confident that he's negative value on that contract. This is a great deal for Utah. Olynyk is actually helpful to a playoff team as a bench big.
   238. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: September 22, 2022 at 06:19 PM (#6097549)
   239. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 22, 2022 at 08:29 PM (#6097567)
So all the leaks now seem to make more sense.

The Celtics would prefer Ime Udoka quit (possibly for $$ reasons? possibly for precedent setting reasons? unclear).
Udoka would very much prefer to be paid.

Thus the leaks, then the leak of threatened suspension, and now Udoka coming out and saying he won't quit. Whole thing is weird.
   240. jmurph Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:56 AM (#6097607)
So now that there's an added harassment element I just completely don't understand why he hasn't been fired already? I'm, blissfully, not an attorney, there are presumably some contractually mandated steps to follow here.

Also maybe the man has been a saint for the past decade plus since the incident, I have no idea, but they very obviously can't go into the season following this stuff with an interim coach who has a domestic violence arrest in his past.
   241. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: September 23, 2022 at 08:11 AM (#6097608)
Whole thing is weird.


If you think of it as the Timberwolves and not the Celtics it makes much more sense.
   242. asinwreck Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:08 AM (#6097611)
Imagine telling Nets and Celtics fans on July 1 what the respective states of those teams would be on September 23.
   243. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:33 AM (#6097615)
If you think of it as the Timberwolves and not the Celtics it makes much more sense.

Yes, this. It actually makes me nervous that something even weirder and even worse is about to drop in Minnesota.
   244. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:42 AM (#6097633)
What tshipman said in 239 is prob true but fwiw, this Cs org has a rep for obsessing over good PR and going out of its way to avoid bad. Might help to explain some of the more huh elements of their approach to this.
   245. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:44 AM (#6097634)
The thing is that we know about this only because the Celtics have leaked it. There must be stuff we don't know?

I saw this list, so not my work, but seems reasonable:

A: Someone is pregnant

B: Sexual Harassment

C: Multiple partners

D: Another member of the organizations partner

E: All of the above

   246. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:53 AM (#6097635)
There must be a lot we don't know! The preemptive leak/timing could just be to get it out of the way pre-season and/or absorb some of the negative news around Robert Williams' surgery. But then the length of the suspension would indicate it's something pretty goddam serious.
   247. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: September 23, 2022 at 11:55 AM (#6097636)
Another one to add to the list -- was specifically told by mgmt to stop the relationship, lied and continued anyway.
   248. Fourth True Outcome Posted: September 23, 2022 at 12:48 PM (#6097640)
Also maybe the man has been a saint for the past decade plus since the incident, I have no idea, but they very obviously can't go into the season following this stuff with an interim coach who has a domestic violence arrest in his past.

You'd think, but that seems to be exactly what they're doing. Jared Weiss mentioned on a podcast obliquely that Mazzulla struggled in his youth with alcohol and that in his telling these incidents were a wakeup call, but Brad Stevens basically vouched for his character when asked about it in a press conference today. I assume that means Mazzulla will address it himself whenever he speaks to the media, but we'll see how he does and how that goes. They seem to think he's been above reproach and I guess he's the internal candidate that makes the most sense, but it sure seems like they're adding an extra layer of difficulty and potential disaster to an already fraught situation.
   249. aberg Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6097642)
Yes, this. It actually makes me nervous that something even weirder and even worse is about to drop in Minnesota.


We already did the inappropriate relationship angle, so we have to ratchet it up to something even more shocking. It's like Mankind watching Shawn Michaels getting thrown from the side of the Hell in a Cell and saying, "what if I went off the top?"
   250. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:32 PM (#6097646)
We already did the inappropriate relationship angle, so we have to ratchet it up to something even more shocking. It's like Mankind watching Shawn Michaels getting thrown from the side of the Hell in a Cell and saying, "what if I went off the top?"


A-Rod having a human/equine/human threesome. That's my final offer.
   251. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:35 PM (#6097647)
A-Rod having a human/equine/human threesome. That's my final offer.
careful; that #### is dangerous.


(fun fact: i haven't thought of that in like 15 years. but as soon as you triggered my memory of it, i knew to google "seattle horse death" and i found it literally 3 seconds.)
   252. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 23, 2022 at 01:49 PM (#6097650)
(fun fact: i haven't thought of that in like 15 years. but as soon as you triggered my memory of it, i knew to google "seattle horse death" and i found it literally 3 seconds.)


The very definition of "weird flex."
   253. aberg Posted: September 23, 2022 at 04:41 PM (#6097668)
Somehow, that's the second time the Enumclaw horse case has come up today. Here is the other: https://twitter.com/TheNeedling/status/1573174140575817729?s=20&t=nockSLRKfvjd74QVOI5PRw.

My FIL is from Enumclaw.
   254. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2022 at 04:56 PM (#6097671)
The very definition of "weird flex."
you're not wrong.

defector:
rather than suspend Udoka and leave him in limbo with a damaged reputation, Smith said, the Celtics should have either quietly fired him or quietly kept him as head coach if they didn’t think whatever he did merits firing him. He’s not wrong to point out the central mystery of the saga: What could be so severe as to warrant a one-year suspension but not severe enough to fire him?

Unfortunately, though, Smith is also totally incapable of making a delicate point. Just as quickly as he stumbled into insight, he veered into offense: “It said, in the numerous news reports, it was a consensual relationship that violated organizational policy. So only he is in violation of company policy? The woman who elected to have a consensual relationship with him is not in violation?” ESPN reporter Malika Andrews joined the show right after he said this and heroically told Smith, “Stop.”

Smith snapped at Andrews for “telling me to stop on my show,” and insisted that he was not blaming women but instead meant that the Celtics shouldn’t have made any part of the story public.
   255. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 23, 2022 at 05:30 PM (#6097674)
I actually kind of agree with Stephen A.

The Celtics should have fired Udoka. Leaking this stuff in order to try to get him to resign is kind of ugly and did bad stuff to the female employees of the organization. Creating an information vacuum like this is pretty irresponsible.

However, it's also possible that *Udoka* leaked all of this stuff. In that case, then Udoka was the one trying to create pressure to keep his job, and all of this is extra ugly on his part.

If the Celtics really are leaking this in order to try to get a discount on firing him, that's pretty gross. Also gross, btw: the behavior of Woj in the first place, but that's par for the course.
   256. Rally Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:24 PM (#6097686)
Maybe there’s more to the story. A full year suspension for a consensual relationship doesn’t make sense.

Glad jerry Buss didn’t react the same way when Phil Jackson coached the Lakers.
   257. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:37 PM (#6097689)
Maybe there’s more to the story. A full year suspension for a consensual relationship doesn’t make sense.
there's absolutely more to the story. from the same link in [254]:
Last night, Charania walked back his earlier characterization in a story for The Athletic. “At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual,” he wrote. “But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.
   258. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:47 PM (#6097690)
Glad jerry Buss didn’t react the same way when Phil Jackson coached the Lakers.
According to the Hulu Lakers documentary series, when Jeanie Buss and Jackson were a couple, Jeanie made sure everyone in Lakers management knew about the relationship. Apparently, watching her dad's endless line of easy conquests left a mark.
   259. rr: over-entitled starf@ck3r Posted: September 23, 2022 at 07:58 PM (#6097693)
A full year suspension for a consensual relationship doesn’t make sense.


Depends on who the woman is and what some of the power dynamics were, in terms of Udoka, the woman, and her position/role with Boston.

The Phil/Jeanie thing turned into a problem with the weirdness around the MDA hire in '13.
   260. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 23, 2022 at 08:48 PM (#6097704)
We should all take a moment to appreciate just how good a week Doc Rivers is having. Early in the week, Doc had an issue where someone pointed out that he had been liking porn on Twitter.

Then Sarver selling and Udoka news broke. What a great feeling this must be for Doc.
   261. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6097707)
Early in the week, Doc had an issue where someone pointed out that he had been liking porn on Twitter

unless you are mrs. glenn rivers, that's none of your business.

i know that he's a public figure, but if there aren't horses and/or children involved, get off the man's dick.
   262. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 08:59 AM (#6097738)
Smith snapped at Andrews for “telling me to stop on my show,” and insisted that he was not blaming women but instead meant that the Celtics shouldn’t have made any part of the story public.

I like the idea that the Celtics could just fire or suspend their 2nd year coach coming off a Finals appearance and everyone would have been like "cool makes sense I have no follow up questions."

That said, I think with hindsight it looks like Udoka's people were more than likely responsible for the initial leak? Given the emphasis on the relationship being consensual and that his job was not in danger.

Not trying to defend the team too much here, I think they should have fired him already (today would be the next best alternative!), and should not be promoting the interim guy.
   263. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 09:33 AM (#6097739)
If the Celtics really are leaking this in order to try to get a discount on firing him, that's pretty gross.

I'm also not really sure this makes sense- surely the man's contract doesn't protect him from being fired for cause due to sexual misconduct at work?
   264. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:13 PM (#6097745)
I'm also not really sure this makes sense- surely the man's contract doesn't protect him from being fired for cause due to sexual misconduct at work?


No, but they could sue and use discovery to air some dirty laundry. Presumably Ime Udoka is not the first person in the Celtics org to dip his pen in the company ink. Has anyone else ever been suspended for a year? Seems like there is probably some kind of case here.

That said, I think with hindsight it looks like Udoka's people were more than likely responsible for the initial leak? Given the emphasis on the relationship being consensual and that his job was not in danger.


Yeah, this does seem more likely somehow. The whole thing is weird. You have Matt Barnes saying it's way worse than we know. Matt Barnes!

I will say, a whole lot of people are going to get uncomfortable with this. If you think there are a lot of rich white dudes who have done similar stuff to Sarver, I think 90%+ of the NBA has some kind of affair or sexual harassment incident.
   265. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:38 PM (#6097746)
Presumably Ime Udoka is not the first person in the Celtics org to dip his pen in the company ink.

It did occur to me if you're an executive or coach right now with any kind of bad history, especially with the Celtics but honestly even league wide, you've got to be pretty nervous right now! I imagine there's a lot sleuthing being done at the moment.

I will say, a whole lot of people are going to get uncomfortable with this. If you think there are a lot of rich white dudes who have done similar stuff to Sarver, I think 90%+ of the NBA has some kind of affair or sexual harassment incident.

Felt like 90% of the NBA world was telling on themselves over the past couple days. From tv personalities to ex-players to twitter randos, the "It's fine! Everyone does this!" brigade heavily outnumbered the rest of the crowd.


   266. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:44 PM (#6097747)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
New Orleans Pelicans guard CJ McCollum has agreed on a two-year, $64 million extension that’ll take him through 2025-2026, his agent Sam Goldfeder of @Excelbasketball tells ESPN. New deal ties McCollum to Pels for four years and $133M.

There's been a lot of these lately and I don't think I understand the urgency on the team side.
   267. smileyy Posted: September 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM (#6097748)
Is this a Zion commitment demonstration thing?

Commitment would be surrounding him with good players, no?

Edit: okay maybe that's a little too much shade at CJ.
   268. jmurph Posted: September 24, 2022 at 01:15 PM (#6097752)
Ha, maybe a little harsh but I get it. They already had him for two more years, pretty expensively, he's 31, so not particularly young. I don't know. I guess being pretty good and actually wanting to play there are valuable traits for them.
   269. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:08 PM (#6097754)
New TV deal comes into play here. Teams are really open to these below the max deals because they assume that the new TV deal is going to inflate salaries massively. I assume CJ is open to it because it's significantly more than he expects to receive on the open market.
   270. spivey Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:16 PM (#6097755)
Felt like 90% of the NBA world was telling on themselves over the past couple days. From tv personalities to ex-players to twitter randos, the "It's fine! Everyone does this!" brigade heavily outnumbered the rest of the crowd.


Scalabrine ####### did that with the Sarver stuff.
   271. Athletic Supporter's restaurant with Ted Danson Posted: September 24, 2022 at 11:06 PM (#6097865)
That CJ deal seems totally fine to me.
   272. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 25, 2022 at 12:37 PM (#6097875)
best shape of his life:

Keith Pompey @PompeyOnSixers
#Sixers coach Doc Rivers: “I couldn’t be happier in the way Tisse has attacked the summer. He’s been one of our hardest workers. He’s worked both on the things we needed him to work on on the floor, and on his body and strength.” inquirer.com/sixers/matisse… via @phillyinquirer

   273. asinwreck Posted: September 25, 2022 at 05:13 PM (#6097890)
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
The Phoenix Suns and Jae Crowder have mutually agreed that the veteran forward will not participate in training camp as the sides work on a trade, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

First team that comes to mind as a landing sport is the Heat. What do you think Pat Riley would give up for Crowder?
   274. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 25, 2022 at 05:16 PM (#6097892)
Feels like there's an obvious deal with Shamet/Crowder heading out for Duncan Robinson.
   275. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: September 25, 2022 at 07:01 PM (#6097902)
Why is Phoenix hot to trade Crowder? Or is it that Crowder wants to get traded?

It seems like a decent fit to me. What am I missing?
   276. DCA Posted: September 25, 2022 at 07:41 PM (#6097907)
I don't get it either. Shamet/Crowder for Robinson makes sense, but only if you accept the premise that Crowder has to go. I think it makes the Suns worse this year, and more expensive the next several.

Crowder + Saric + Shamet + Craig is enough salary to get Harris + Thybulle from the 76ers, should 57i66135 somehow acquire the reins.
   277. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 25, 2022 at 07:46 PM (#6097908)
Crowder + Saric + Shamet + Craig is enough salary to get Harris + Thybulle from the 76ers, should 57i66135 somehow acquire the reins.
eh....in. probably.
   278. jmurph Posted: September 26, 2022 at 07:56 AM (#6097929)
Man I think Robinson is on the short list for worst deals in the league, I would not do that if I were Phoenix.
   279. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:17 AM (#6097938)
I read that Crowder thing as more Crowder saying "nope". Other than some very hush hush violation of team norms, nothing else really makes sense.
   280. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: September 26, 2022 at 11:31 AM (#6097945)
That CJ deal seems totally fine to me.


The risk is relatively low. CJ isn't hyper athletic to begin with, so it's easy to imagine him remaining effective into his early-mid 30s.
   281. asinwreck Posted: September 26, 2022 at 12:10 PM (#6097947)
Their comments at media day indicate that Ben Simmons and Joe Harris are ready to play. That should make the Nets' defense and spacing, respectively, look considerably better than what they threw out there last season.
   282. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 26, 2022 at 12:18 PM (#6097950)
best.
shape.
of.
life.
Noah Levick @NoahLevick
Paul Reed says he's increased his vertical leap eight inches (28 to 36) and "it's going to keep going up."
Austin Krell @NBAKrell
When asked how much weight he lost: Harden: 100 pounds. Tweet that.
Austin Krell @NBAKrell
Embiid jokes that he spent the whole offseason on the couch and didn't work on his game. "We just gonna have to wait and see how the season goes."

   283. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2022 at 12:27 PM (#6097952)
Duncan Robinson sure went from wunderkind to DNP in a hurry.
   284. Fourth True Outcome Posted: September 26, 2022 at 12:38 PM (#6097953)
Why is Phoenix hot to trade Crowder? Or is it that Crowder wants to get traded?

The rumors I've seen on twitter are that Crowder thinks he should start over Cam Johnson, but I'm not sure there is an obvious trade destination that would get him a starting spot, so going nuclear like this is a bit confusing.
   285. jmurph Posted: September 26, 2022 at 12:50 PM (#6097956)
Their comments at media day indicate that Ben Simmons and Joe Harris are ready to play. That should make the Nets' defense and spacing, respectively, look considerably better than what they threw out there last season.

All things considered, they should be really interesting to watch this year!

But we probably need to factor in the chances that Kyrie only plays like 25 games.
   286. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 26, 2022 at 03:02 PM (#6097973)
Literally all of the Nets guys are risks to play less than 40 games
   287. smileyy Posted: September 26, 2022 at 03:44 PM (#6097977)
Any indication as to what position Simmons will play, to the extent positions still exist?
   288. jmurph Posted: September 26, 2022 at 03:56 PM (#6097979)
Any indication as to what position Simmons will play, to the extent positions still exist?

Point guard in transition, innocent bystander in the half court, bench warmer in important crunch time minutes, starting PG in the dozens of games Kyrie misses.
   289. jmurph Posted: September 26, 2022 at 03:57 PM (#6097980)
Literally all of the Nets guys are risks to play less than 40 games

For so many different reasons!
   290. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 26, 2022 at 04:46 PM (#6097985)
Will Gottlieb @wontgottlieb ·1h
Caruso said he couldn't change his jersey number from 6 because he is in the top 75 in jersey sales

"Shoutout to me"


Heh

Will Gottlieb @wontgottlieb ·1h
Dragic on the time D-Rose dunked on him

"This is my nightmare"

He says it was the only time he's been dunked on in his career


That's one way to point out your limited impact on defense.
   291. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 26, 2022 at 05:32 PM (#6097989)
That's one way to point out your limited impact on defense.
should have just blamed his little brother. 'that wasn't me; that was zoran.'
   292. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 26, 2022 at 07:03 PM (#6098002)
LSU women’s basketball coach Kim Mulkey can be awfully loud when she wants to be. We’ve heard it—when she’s berating officials, or complaining about masks, or negging reporters at press conferences. But she can also be conspicuously quiet. Today, at the team’s media day, Cory Diaz, who covers LSU women’s basketball for the Lafayette Daily Advertiser, asked Mulkey for her thoughts on Brittney Griner, who has been detained in Russia for more than seven months.

Griner, Mulkey’s most famous former player, headlined the Baylor team that went 40-0 and won Mulkey her second NCAA championship as head coach in 2012. “I just wanted to get your thoughts on Brittney Griner’s situation,” Diaz began. “I don’t think I’ve seen anything from you on that, and—”

Mulkey interrupted, “And you won’t.”
She answered his first question about roster-building instead.
Really? pic.twitter.com/ISJGuhUImE

— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) September 26, 2022




at least ken starr is dead.
   293. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:48 PM (#6098028)
   294. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance) Posted: September 27, 2022 at 12:42 AM (#6098034)
Genuinely surprising news:


Beginning this season, there will be a heightened penalty (1 free throw + possession) for intentional fouls committed by defenders which deprive the offensive team of a fast-break opportunity. See below for an educational video regarding "Transition Take Fouls":


All the reporting was that this was unlikely to happen due to veteran players liking the take foul.
   295. Moeball Posted: September 27, 2022 at 12:58 AM (#6098037)
Totally unrelated to anything: Am I the only one who has been enjoying watching Klay Thompson attend Dodger games and cheer on little brother Trayce?
   296. jmurph Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:41 AM (#6098041)
Beginning this season, there will be a heightened penalty (1 free throw + possession) for intentional fouls committed by defenders which deprive the offensive team of a fast-break opportunity. See below for an educational video regarding "Transition Take Fouls":

Great news, this should really improve the game.

And it's funny watching that video, so many of those fouls were just totally unnecessary, there was barely a transition opportunity in most of them.
   297. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 27, 2022 at 02:40 PM (#6098082)
“I really can’t run or jump,” Ball said when asked about whether he can participate in any basketball activities. “There is like a range between 30 to 60 degrees when my knee is bent that I have no force, and I can’t catch myself. Until I can do those things, I can’t play. I did rehab, and it was getting better, but it was not to a point where I could get out there and actually go out there and run at full speed or jump. So surgery is the next step.”

“It’s every day. Even going upstairs and stuff is painful,” Ball said on Tuesday. “Like I said, it’s definitely something I’ve never dealt with. Even the doctors are surprised about it a little bit. But we’re all working together to figure this out.”


Sounds like something you hear someone say when they're retiring. I am very pessimistic about him playing effectively or at all this year.
   298. spivey Posted: September 27, 2022 at 03:16 PM (#6098091)
Really a bummer about Ball, and I probably shouldn't have been as critical about the Pels not bringing him back given his injury history.
   299. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: September 27, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6098111)
OKC traded Vit Krejci to ATL for Harkless and a second (gets ATL out of the tax).

This move is about finances not talent - but - Vit is like a cross between a young Boris Dias and his countryman Tomas Satoransky, only the lesser characteristics of each. He can play 2-4, find the open man, hit an open shot, and is still young - but he’s always been a real low usage guy (even overseas and in limited G league play) and the d is rough.
   300. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:20 PM (#6098117)
Color Star Technology Co., Ltd., the Cayman Islands-registered, possibly Dubai-based ready-mix concrete company that scrapped its legacy business and recently launched its own extremely janky digital metaverse, continues to struggle with executive turnover. On Aug. 5, Color Star quietly filed paperwork with the Securities and Exchange Commission noting that Biao Lu and Jehan Zeb Khan had resigned simultaneously from their roles as co-CEOs of this strange company, and were replaced by a man named Farhan Qadir. Even by the standards of Color Star, which has now had seven CEOs in just over two years, this is abrupt [...]this is now the second time that [Biao Lu has resigned from the position of Color Star CEO].
[...]
Followers of this extremely normal business story will recall that Color Star’s fascinating young CEO, Sir Lucas Capetian, the man who spearheaded the launch of the company’s signature Color World app, resigned suddenly and left the company due to “personal reasons” back in June. [...]It was during Capetian’s eventful stewardship that Color Star entered into the now-infamous sponsorship partnership with the Philadelphia 76ers
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