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Friday, April 15, 2022

2022 NBA Playoffs thread

I estimate the NBA thread only had 10-12 years of content so we’re in reruns already.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 15, 2022 at 11:59 AM | 1875 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1301. Moeball Posted: May 11, 2022 at 07:46 PM (#6076349)
The devil made me laugh at the comment in 1299.
   1302. SteveF Posted: May 11, 2022 at 07:57 PM (#6076353)
Credit to Tship. Looks like going smaller with Horford at the 5 and Tatum at the 4 is an issue for Milwaukee, or at least it has been in the 4th quarter of game 4 and the 2nd quarter of game 5.

9-0 on TOs is also an issue, of course.
   1303. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: May 11, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6076356)
Context obviously matters, but there are few things that make me happy more consistently than when a player, having tried and failed to grift free throws, pulls it back out and gets a bucket the hard way.
   1304. nick swisher hygiene Posted: May 11, 2022 at 08:20 PM (#6076362)
So I'm not watching the series consistently, but why does Grayson Allen get all these minutes?
   1305. Cagerfan Posted: May 11, 2022 at 08:43 PM (#6076366)
So I'm not watching the series consistently, but why does Grayson Allen get all these minutes?
They gotta play somebody. They only have a 7 man rotation with him. Besides, he's not really that bad.
   1306. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:04 PM (#6076368)
hypothetically Grayson should help add a little playmaking and shooting that they need with Khris out. in practice though he's not doing anything offensively and getting picked on defensively. Not sure why Bud has stuck with him, other than a lack of better options.

maybe Jevon Carter would be better? it's at least worth a shot I guess. Didn't really think the Bucks would miss Donte but here we are.
   1307. asinwreck Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:10 PM (#6076371)
It would be hilarious if Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving forced Kenny Atkinson out if Atkinson winds up coaching LeBron James.
   1308. asinwreck Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6076376)
This has been a most unusual series. Quite a defensive play by Jrue Holiday.

EDIT: and Jrue's final defensive play to end the game wasn't bad either.
   1309. Eric L Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:39 PM (#6076379)
Wow
   1310. Eric L Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:39 PM (#6076380)
Even more so
   1311. mike f Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:40 PM (#6076381)
Wow indeed
   1312. Adam M Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:42 PM (#6076383)
That was not the fourth quarter I was expecting. Kudos to the Bucks. They must be exhausted.
   1313. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6076384)
Bucks may still lose series. But they are leaving it all out there

Just really impressive
   1314. Mike A Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:47 PM (#6076385)
And on the other side...Smart had two turnovers and a lay-up blocked in the last minute. Ouch.

Oh, and he was part of the botched FT rebound that let Portis get the go-ahead bucket (though that looked more like Brown's fault).
   1315. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:51 PM (#6076386)
I cannot believe the Bucks won that game.

I grabbed a seat to game 6 during the second quarter, figuring it would be the last home game of the year. Still could be, but I'm looking forward to Friday night.
   1316. Cagerfan Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:52 PM (#6076387)
Yeah, that was Brown’s fault for not being more aware. He also made a terrible turnover by throwing the ball to nobody.
   1317. spivey Posted: May 11, 2022 at 09:55 PM (#6076389)
Never underestimate the heart of a champion
   1318. asinwreck Posted: May 11, 2022 at 10:42 PM (#6076395)
The Grizzlies have 75 points with a minute left in the first half.
   1319. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 11, 2022 at 11:12 PM (#6076398)
This game resembles that earlier one where they beat OKC by a billion with Morant out. Ewing Theory, take me home.
   1320. asinwreck Posted: May 11, 2022 at 11:26 PM (#6076399)
Yup. But Bane has the gaudy Aldama +/- tonight.

Klay is -45 atm.
   1321. spivey Posted: May 11, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6076401)
@peteredmiston

That was an unbelievable effort half from the Grizzlies. Taken 18 more shots than the Warriors. Forced 14 turnovers and only turned it over 3 times. 22 assists on 29 made shots. 13 offensive rebounds to just 2 for Golden State. Incredible stuff. What a response in a must-win game

   1322. tshipman Posted: May 11, 2022 at 11:59 PM (#6076402)
Bucks showed up when they got down in the 4th and played hard.

Warriors have not bothered to show up tonight.
   1323. sardonic Posted: May 12, 2022 at 12:52 AM (#6076410)
I guess after the last game they decided to try even less against a proud team with their back against the wall.
   1324. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: May 12, 2022 at 01:21 AM (#6076413)
"We need people here that want to be here," Marks said Wednesday. "They're selfless, that want to be part of something bigger than themselves -- and there's an objective and there's a goal at stake here. And in order to do that, we're going to need availability from everybody."

Marks' comments came after a tumultuous season in which Irving played just 29 games after missing most of the year because of New York City's vaccination mandate for employees within the city.


One joke/meme in Lakerland right now is trading Westbrook for Irving, so James/Irving and Westbrook/Durant can be "reunited."
   1325. tshipman Posted: May 12, 2022 at 11:18 AM (#6076431)
Can't say enough about the game Giannis had last night. Effort level, mindset, embracing the moment, everything. I feel like somehow I've underrated him despite calling him the best player in the NBA.
   1326. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 12, 2022 at 12:07 PM (#6076434)
Yep, totally agree, ship. Yet, he was still incredibly lucky those late 3's went in; it's painful watching him take/settle for those shots. And of course, it's impossible to say too much about Jrue's defense late, just unreal stuff.
   1327. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 12, 2022 at 03:19 PM (#6076464)
Nonetheless, the way Charania projects himself interpersonally makes you understand why he is talented at cultivating relationships among the powerful.
...
“There are moments when I’m lonely and I think about ‘What if I was that everyday young adult, or had the partying college lifestyle? Because there are sacrifices that you make when your friends are going out on the weekend and you’re driving to Milwaukee or Indianapolis for a game. That might be a thought on a late Saturday night, but then you have a conversation with someone [important], and you get reminded real fast that there’s a reason why you’re doing it. I’m passionate about the job I do and the people I work with, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything.”

   1328. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: May 12, 2022 at 03:44 PM (#6076471)
those were 2 wild games to track on my phone last night.

duncan - so, i erred in my recollection as to how much money robinson has remaining on his deal - i thought it was 4/80, it's 4/74.4 - with 10m of that unguaranteed. that's a meaningful difference.
i also don't mean to suggest that i think that the league doesn't differentiate between him and, say, bryn forbes. robinson takes a lot of threes per minutes, hits them at a solid rate, and his off/on numbers suggest that miami hasn't collapsed defensively when he's on the court.

but.

he's 28, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass, is a minus defensively. adds spacing! but isn't a scorer. if you're a rebuilding team, he's a bad use of your resources. you can try to develop your own robinson from the g league and get assets for absorbing junk into your cap space. if you're a good team, you either don't have the budget to take him in or you're getting him for some other mild minus contract.

i can see robinson getting traded, along with a heat 1st, and miami getting back a solid but pricey player. i'm guessing that some will see that as miami getting an asset for robinson - i'm thinking he's the ballast to make it work and that it'll be about the pick.
   1329. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: May 12, 2022 at 04:30 PM (#6076481)
It was obviously very dramatic, but I was surprised Giannis was out there with that gash above his eye. Don't they usually (always?) stop the game when there's blood?
   1330. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 12, 2022 at 04:55 PM (#6076484)
They stopped play at least twice for the blood, but were also oddly lax on doing so when it opened back up and bled some more. It was weird.
   1331. Cagerfan Posted: May 12, 2022 at 05:00 PM (#6076486)
Umm, I think Charania takes himself a tad too seriously. He covers the NBA for criminy sake, not the CIA/NSA.
   1332. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 12, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6076494)
Man, this whole series is a bad idea for Embiid.
   1333. spivey Posted: May 12, 2022 at 08:07 PM (#6076495)
I think the people saying the Bucks/Celtics are the East Finals or even the NBA finals are off. I think Milwaukee is vulnerable in every series with Middleton. There’s also a couple teams, like Golden State, they don’t match up with well, even healthy. I think every team this year in the second round is pretty darn good, and that’s not usually the case. Boston maybe that’s more true, but if they’re getting all they can handle from the Bucks w/o Middleton I think the idea they are this historic team seems wrong.
   1334. spivey Posted: May 12, 2022 at 08:15 PM (#6076496)
Embiid scares Bam and Butler. If nothing else, that’s valuable.
   1335. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 12, 2022 at 08:19 PM (#6076497)
If Embiid gets through this off-season with his face intact, he should get a purple heart or something.
   1336. Mike A Posted: May 12, 2022 at 09:34 PM (#6076502)
Harden looked like he'd rather be anywhere else than a basketball court. I don't know what the Sixers do with him, but a big extension seems like a bad, bad idea.
   1337. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 12, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6076503)
1195. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 08, 2022 at 10:33 PM (#6075838)
these playoffs are over.


When you're right, you're right.
   1338. bob gee Posted: May 12, 2022 at 09:49 PM (#6076505)
I'm concerned about the number of falls Embiid had tonight. I'd do a scan to see if the effects from the concussion are still there.

I don't give any blame to Embiid, he was trying to fight through as best he could. Milton and Maxey hustled out there. Doc should have pulled Embiid when he was clearly having difficulty and put Reed in, even if for a few minutes, so Joel could maybe get back on track.

Harden, I'd have pulled way early in the second half. His lack of movement on offense, and lack of any sort of hustle was disappointing.

Doc also should have pulled some of the players (Harden, but also Tobias) when they were standing around ballwatching. At least Harris appeared for a brief period later in the game.

   1339. nick swisher hygiene Posted: May 12, 2022 at 09:59 PM (#6076506)
What is Harden’s reputation gonna look like a decade from now?
   1340. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 12, 2022 at 10:34 PM (#6076508)
Statmuse went in on the Sixers, sheesh:

StatMuse @statmuse ·1h
Fun fact: The Kings have made the Conference Finals more recently than the Sixers.

StatMuse @statmuse ·1h
The Sixers have been booed off the floor at home in their last 2 playoff eliminations.

StatMuse @statmuse ·50m
James Harden has 0 points in his last two 4th quarters.

Ben Simmons had 3 points in his last two 4th quarters with the Sixers.
   1341. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 12, 2022 at 10:37 PM (#6076509)
StatMuse @statmuse ·50m
James Harden is 1-8 in his last 9 elimination games.


Oops, hit submit too soon. And can't edit with the stupid expired security certificate again.
   1342. tshipman Posted: May 12, 2022 at 11:09 PM (#6076513)
Man, the Suns are really down 20 in this game? I kind of don't trust any team left in the playoffs unless the Bucks close it out at home.
   1343. spivey Posted: May 12, 2022 at 11:39 PM (#6076516)
Legacy chat is too much these days, and legacies can be pretty significantly rewritten with late career rings (Dirk, KG, Admiral). But it’ll be very hard for me to put Harden where his regular season numbers would dictate in all time rankings.
   1344. spivey Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:01 AM (#6076518)
Dallas held Phoenix to 16 3PA before garbage time. Winner take all, your mid range vs their 3s. Phoenix is the favorite but I wouldn’t feel great about it.
   1345. spivey Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:19 AM (#6076519)
Also, nobody really said this at the time but I thought Siakam’s injury on Embiid was reckless/dangerous. Bit surprised he got a pass for it especially since he had a bit of an unnecessarily physical foul right before the wild drive.
   1346. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:14 AM (#6076521)
I don't know about "trust", but I felt at the beginning of the season that this year was wide open, I felt that way at the start of the playoffs, and I feel that way now. A lot of good teams, none head and shoulders above.
   1347. Mike A Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:46 AM (#6076523)
Stolen from twitter: "In 30 years people will look at James Harden's stats and wonder why he's not ranked higher all-time, but the people who watched him will know why."

Harden is a pretty strange player right now - he can't really shoot anymore (23rd percentile eFG, a woeful 53% at the rim) - so the vast majority of his value comes from his FT shooting and playmaking. Neither of those were on display in the playoffs. Granted, Miami is really good at shutting players down (see Trae Young), but it still seems Harden is kinda limited.

I suspect there are coaches out there that might make Harden/Embiid work, but Doc Rivers is not that coach. Not to totally blame Doc, he's not a great coach but he's got a difficult puzzle to put together.

I'm surprised at how pedestrian Phoenix has looked.
   1348. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:42 AM (#6076527)
1346 - i think that's right. trying to just enjoy the ride. :)

1343 - i'm not good at legacy stuff during a player's career - i kind of need to wait until they've retired for awhile. both because i wanna avoid recency bias but also i'm not always sure that my understanding of how the league worked at the time won't change slightly between now and the future (like how important are offensive rebounds, how should i treat midrange shooting, what is the role of a perimeter stopper, whatever).

one more thing on duncan robinson (not about trade value) - his player skill projections on DARKO are a little weird. not just that they project him to take more 3 point attempts than total field goal attempts but also that they have his true 3p% talent at only 33.9%. (the former is a weird error but i kind of get it - the latter is striking and odd.)
to be clear, darko isn't junk - they grade pretty well as projection tools go.
   1349. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:50 AM (#6076530)
Also, nobody really said this at the time but I thought Siakam’s injury on Embiid was reckless/dangerous. Bit surprised he got a pass for it especially since he had a bit of an unnecessarily physical foul right before the wild drive.
well, it was called a foul on embiid on the floor. then it was reviewed for a flagrant, but not changed. then it was reviewed again, and they changed it to a foul on siakam.


but also, siakam has a history of trying to break joel embiid's face.



so yes, he's a giant piece of ####, and it should get a lot more attention.
   1350. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:14 AM (#6076533)
I'm concerned about the number of falls Embiid had tonight. I'd do a scan to see if the effects from the concussion are still there.
yeah, he didn't look right. i mean, we know he had a broken face and a rotten thumb, but he also looked like he had a severe back.


...but i will point out (as i try to do whenever embiid's proclivity for falling becomes a topic of intrigue) that embiid was told to fall like that by his doctors:
At the team's practice facility in Camden, New Jersey, just seconds before he vanishes from sight to take a post-workout shower, Embiid smiles when asked about his frequent falls. "It was something I learned during my rehab when I was going through the foot injury, when I was trying to find ways to limit the impact on my body in 2014," he says. "I was told that every time I feel like I'm in a situation where it's going to be some type of extreme [weight] on my leg, I've got to dive or just roll onto the floor. So that's why I do it."
...
"I know there are fans that are always thinking, 'No!' each time I fall, but that's why I do it," Embiid says with a brief grin before heading for the showers. "The specialists for my foot told me to do it."

   1351. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:15 AM (#6076534)
What is Harden’s reputation gonna look like a decade from now?
starden.
When you're right, you're right.
a good troll doesn't just troll after something happens. you have to be willing to troll as things are happening, because sometimes, the person that winds up eating a dumpster full of #### is you.
   1352. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:23 AM (#6076535)
this is fun:
After it was all over, Harden was asked what the Heat did to stymie him and bother him.

“Nothing,” he said. “Nothing.”

If it was just “nothing”, then why did he only take two shots in the second half in the biggest game of the year.

“We ran our offense,” Harden added. “I felt like the ball moved and it just didn’t get back to me.”

How does the ball not get to him? He is the point guard. He has also been an incredible scorer in his entire career. How does that happen?

“I don’t know,” said Embiid. “That’s his answer. You just gotta believe what he told you. I believe him. I don’t know.”

...and i'll just put this here:
Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA
Joel Embiid, asked whether he still has faith in the front office and the coaching staff: "At some point you gotta stop looking at the coaches or the front office...the players also gotta do their jobs."
   1353. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:26 AM (#6076536)
Yaron Weitzman @YaronWeitzman
1. Since “why’d the Sixers let Jimmy Butler go?!” is a big topic today, figured I’d do a thread on what I’ve put together from the past few years. Some of this I’ve written before, some not. Figured would be helpful to put it all in one place. So

2. First off, as Embiid basically said earlier this year: Simmons was not happy being put off the ball during the 2019 playoffs against the Raptors.

3. Because of this, Sixers management was worried how Simmons would handle/react to having Butler around and monopolizing crunch-time playmaking duties for multiple years. Simmons never said "me or Butler." But Sixers were worried that it could one day reach that point
...
9. One fun anecdote: upon being told by the Sixers that they didn’t want to pay Butler, apparently Butler’s agent, Bernie Lee, went on a rant to Josh Harris and told him he was making a huge mistake.

10. Lee told Harris he was breaking up a championship team, that he was putting Simmons in a position to fail and that he’d end up having to trade him and that he was wasting years of Embiid’s prime.
...
11. Buy my book :)
   1354. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:35 AM (#6076537)
i haven't read the book yet, how is it?

to be clear - they didn't choose tobias over butler - right? - they choose horford? (and simmons and also were maybe worried that butler wouldn't help their culture? i dunno, i'm not a philly fan and it has been awhile.

i will say - i get a lot of stuff wrong but having always been a jimmy butler defender (on the court) has worked out. dude knows how to win games.
   1355. asinwreck Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:14 PM (#6076542)
I have no idea if James Harden is the kind of person who keeps a journal, but the book I'd buy is an unabridged James Harden diary with entries between the Rockets' loss to the Lakers in the 2020 playoffs and this week.

I would also watch a reality show where Harden and Kyrie Irving were roommates.
   1356. tshipman Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:14 PM (#6076543)
Embiid has thrown his teammates under the bus several times now after having bad games in elimination situations.
   1357. asinwreck Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:14 PM (#6076544)
Regarding Butler, this week is a reminder of how bad John Paxson and Gar Forman were at their jobs.
   1358. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:54 PM (#6076548)
Noah Levick @NoahLevick
" ... I work hard. It's going to be hard for anyone to outwork me. So yeah, I've got goals. You want to know 'em?"
-Paul Reed


Reed then shares one of his goals is to add 10-15 inches to his vertical leap.
Keith Pompey @PompeyOnSixers
#Sixers reserve forward Furkan Korkmaz: "Starting today, I think we all should forget about what happened this year. We shouldn't even be talking about it, just to be ready for the next year."

   1359. Adam M Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:05 PM (#6076550)
Embiid has thrown his teammates under the bus several times now after having bad games in elimination situations.


I get Embiid's frustration though. It seems like every time the Sixers bring in a difference maker to help him out, they turn out to be an indifference maker. Embiid didn't have a great game last night, but Harden's performance was embarrassing.
   1360. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:22 PM (#6076554)
Embiid has thrown his teammates under the bus several times now after having bad games in elimination situations.

yes, joel embiid is clearly the kind of person who schemes to avoid blame by scapegoating the people around him.


on a completely unrelated note, i don't think most people understand what makes joel embiid tick. everyone reading this, random fans, teammates, coaches...anyone, really.
   1361. tshipman Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:30 PM (#6076558)
I get Embiid's frustration though. It seems like every time the Sixers bring in a difference maker to help him out, they turn out to be an indifference maker. Embiid didn't have a great game last night, but Harden's performance was embarrassing.


yes, joel embiid is clearly the kind of person who schemes to avoid blame by scapegoating the people around him.


Well, I mean it's fine to say that Embiid just keeps it real, but it's already gone wrong with Simmons, and it could easily go wrong with Harden. Embiid scored 20 points on 24 shots in an elimination game. He needs to talk about how he can play better, not talk about Harden's passivity.
   1362. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:34 PM (#6076562)
Well, I mean it's fine to say that Embiid just keeps it real, but it's already gone wrong with Simmons, and it could easily go wrong with Harden. Embiid scored 20 points on 24 shots in an elimination game. He needs to talk about how he can play better, not talk about Harden's passivity.

1 - not have a broken face
2 - not have a broken finger
3 - not have a concussion
4 - not have a back.
5 - maybe have a teammate pick up some slack once in a while so they can feel like they earned their 180 ####### million ####### dollar contracts.
   1363. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:56 PM (#6076566)
East: I would probably still pick the winner of Boston/Milwaukee to be in the Finals, but I have sold Miami a little short all year and they do have HCA.
Miami/Philadelphia: This series will, perhaps permanently, alter the perceptions/narratives around Butler and Harden. They are 18 days apart in age; Butler will turn 33 in September, and Harden will turn 33 in August. I think the general idea has been that Butler is very good but not on Harden's level. In terms of regular-season stats this is ofc true, but that will not be something people will want to hear about for a long time after this series, even if Miami loses the ECF.
Playoffs: No outcomes would surprise me much at this point. People who prefer parity at the top of the league rather than juggernauts should enjoy this.
   1364. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: May 13, 2022 at 01:56 PM (#6076567)
I mean, the principle of parsimony would have me looking at the front office as the source of Philadelphia's problems, not Joel Embiid.
   1365. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: May 13, 2022 at 02:07 PM (#6076568)
Regarding Butler, this week is a reminder of how bad John Paxson and Gar Forman were at their jobs.
SEE ALSO TOM THIBODEAU.
   1366. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 02:29 PM (#6076571)
I mean, the principle of parsimony would have me looking at the front office as the source of Philadelphia's problems, not Joel Embiid.
which one? there have been 5 of them** since joel embiid was drafted.
Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA
Daryl Morey was asked whether he can guarantee that Doc Rivers will be back next season: "Yes."


but wait...yes, as in "yes, i have the authority to guarantee it", or..."yes, doc rivers will be back". that's a very ambiguous "yes", imo...



**not an exaggeration, btw. POBOs during the embiid era: hinkie, large adult son, brown, brand, morey.
   1367. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 13, 2022 at 02:38 PM (#6076572)
today's peoltl:


that team has a lot of #length. if only their PG wasn't...
   1368. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 13, 2022 at 02:43 PM (#6076573)
I bet front office turnover is terrible for a franchise, fortunately, the Timberwolves have never had to deal with that.
   1369. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: May 13, 2022 at 03:23 PM (#6076576)
Torn ACL for Danny Green, per Shams. That's an awfully big injury to come back from at 35.
   1370. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: May 13, 2022 at 04:01 PM (#6076585)
Danny Green has had a ####### great career. If this is the end for him, it's been an NBA life very well lived.
   1371. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: May 13, 2022 at 04:28 PM (#6076587)
that stinks for green; dang

embiid is NOT what went wrong for philly.
   1372. asinwreck Posted: May 13, 2022 at 05:11 PM (#6076592)
Awful news for Danny Green. If his playing career is over, I could see him transitioning to media very well.
   1373. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: May 13, 2022 at 06:59 PM (#6076606)
Three rings plus an NCAA title, pretty good career for Green. He was definitely one of the streakiest 3 and D guys there were. He was very nearly the 2013 Finals MVP, but couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn during the Raptors run.
   1374. SteveF Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:29 PM (#6076617)
Giannis should not take take fouls.
   1375. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:16 PM (#6076625)
embiid is NOT what went wrong for philly.

Healthy Embiid is obviously a monster. But at this point, you would have to give me fairly long odds on him being healthy for the entirety of any given postseason.
   1376. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:31 PM (#6076627)
The Celtics defense is great, but the Bucks are playing lineups with multiple zeros. Allen should be completely benched.
   1377. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6076628)
C's +33 on 3s. Holiday is taking some forced ones, but plenty of open misses elsewhere. Giannis needs help.
   1378. asinwreck Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:50 PM (#6076632)
It is a pleasure to watch Giannis play.
   1379. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:11 PM (#6076637)
What a game by Tatum.
   1380. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:20 PM (#6076639)
Every game in this series has been a bar fight, as KG had it. I'm glad it's going seven.
   1381. SteveF Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:23 PM (#6076640)
Bane does look healthier.
   1382. Mike A Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:27 PM (#6076641)
I'm glad it's going seven.
Wonder if Milwaukee is regretting punting the #2 seed. Game 7 in the Garden is a tough road.

Was listening on the radio, and the Milwaukee announcers were referring to Giannis as the 'World's Greatest Player.' I'm not sure they're wrong, but it seemed a bit much.
   1383. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:37 PM (#6076646)
What a game by Tatum.


Yep. He delivered.

'World's Greatest Player.


Sort of like "reigning conference champions." True, but a little much in terms of word choice. I do think that he is the best player in the league right now, as I have said several times.

Wonder if Milwaukee is regretting punting the #2 seed


Van Gundy mentioned this. They may be, but their big problems are that Boston is good and they don't have Middleton, so they would have a tough go even if they were at home on Sunday. Also, I don't know if the vibe in the new Garden is the same as the old days, or how much that matters anyway, but Game 7 on the road in general is ofc tough, historically speaking.

   1384. tshipman Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:57 PM (#6076649)
Game 6 Klay is in the building.
   1385. SteveF Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:26 PM (#6076657)
Pretty evenly played game. One team throwing the ball all over the place and the other can't secure defensive boards.
   1386. SteveF Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:28 PM (#6076658)
I think I might pick Phoenix or Dallas over either of these teams.
   1387. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:34 PM (#6076659)
On another note, the thread is a Tween now. It turned 13 on May 3:

Sunday, May 03, 2009
NBA Playoffs Thread
I estimate that only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA Playoffs, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: the Duke Lacrosse case and Pavement’s discography.

rr Posted:


The first iteration had 21,164 comments.
   1388. sardonic Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:08 AM (#6076662)
These turnovers are gross. Memphis in general is a bad matchup with how solid they are on defense with no one to pick on. It's almost like the Ws aren't as sure what they want to do and end up barfing up turnovers going for home runs.

That said they're still winning. Doesn't really feel like Memphis can do much more than hang on for dear life in this game though. Not enough firepower on o.

   1389. SteveF Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:26 AM (#6076664)
62% dreb is horrific.
   1390. tshipman Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:36 AM (#6076665)
This hyphy throw the ball all around the gym #### is cute when your shot is falling, but Steph and Draymond should be very, very grateful to Kevon Looney after this game.
   1391. tshipman Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:40 AM (#6076666)
I think I might pick Phoenix or Dallas over either of these teams.


I just keep going back to all these teams left being some degree of disappointing.

Milwaukee has no way to generate offense if Giannis isn't superhuman
Boston looks average if the 3 isn't falling
Dallas only plays hard at home and is super dependent on shooting 40%
Phoenix *needs* to hit 65% of their midrangers
Golden State plays stupid with careless turnovers

There are no sure things left.
   1392. sardonic Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:44 AM (#6076667)
Felt like Memphis just ran out of gas in the end. Way too much an ask to climb the mountain without Ja.

I think the Ws would have a hard time with Phoenix, a series against Dallas would be fun.
   1393. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: May 14, 2022 at 01:39 AM (#6076672)
Milwaukee has no way to generate offense if Giannis isn't superhuman
Boston looks average if the 3 isn't falling
Dallas only plays hard at home and is super dependent on shooting 40%
Phoenix *needs* to hit 65% of their midrangers
Golden State plays stupid with careless turnovers



No offense, but I will note you that did not even mention Miami. The only champ that would surprise me of the six teams left would be Dallas--I think that they are still short a player to complement Doncic. But I think any of the other five can win. If I had to bet, I would bet on Golden State.
   1394. tshipman Posted: May 14, 2022 at 02:57 AM (#6076676)
Good call, I did forget Miami.

I feel like Miami's flaws are hard to summarize pithily. They are in many ways a throwback team. They play as many as three bad shooters at a time. Lowry has looked awful with his injury. They have probably played the easiest opponents so far (with Embiid being injured).
   1395. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 14, 2022 at 04:02 AM (#6076678)
1 - not have a broken face
2 - not have a broken finger
3 - not have a concussion
4 - not have a back.
5 - maybe have a teammate pick up some slack once in a while so they can feel like they earned their 180 ####### million ####### dollar contracts.
Embiid deserves a Purple Heart. He risked a lot to be out there for those clowns, and it's criminal that he showed up and the rest of those guys didn't.

On another note, the thread is a Tween now. It turned 13 on May 3:
Mazel tov. God bless and guide this thread, today and always. This thread is a man now.
   1396. asinwreck Posted: May 14, 2022 at 07:39 AM (#6076680)

I feel like Miami's flaws are hard to summarize pithily.

Sometimes, this team cannot buy a basket.
   1397. PJ Martinez Posted: May 14, 2022 at 08:51 AM (#6076685)
I haven't checked this math, but apparently the Celtics outscored the Nets by 4.5 points per game in the sweep, and they have outscored the Bucks by 4.5 points per game in this series that is going to seven games.
   1398. bob gee Posted: May 14, 2022 at 09:38 AM (#6076690)
1395 - I agree, Embiid is giving maximum effort when he probably shouldn't even be out there, but him at 50% (or less) draws enough attention and is that good for the Sixers that you've got to play him. Maybe not 40 minutes, but 30 would have been good. Harden deserved props for last year playing the final game on one leg and couldn't even run, and deserved credit for at least trying - and in that case, Nash should not have had him out there that much.

Speaking of Harden , the quote from above:

“We ran our offense,” Harden added. “I felt like the ball moved and it just didn’t get back to me.”

is ridiculous. That's on Harden. If he is moving without the ball, at all, the ball will find its way back to him. He moved without it a little the first couple games with the Sixers and got some nice open looks. But giving the ball up, and then standing 35 feet away from the basket on the weakside...or setting a pick and dropping in the weakside corner, but never moving - is it a wonder the ball didn't get back to him? The spot up corner 3 is the guy Harden should be passing to on a drive and kick - it shouldn't be Harden.
   1399. they sit at the same 57i66135 and eat sometimes Posted: May 14, 2022 at 06:32 PM (#6076730)
today's poeltl:

georges niang (as always)....0 clues.

2nd guess: nailed it.
   1400. Cagerfan Posted: May 14, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6076738)
I’m struck by how much more physical the Eastern Conference series have been. It’s like we’ve been teleported back to the eighties.
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