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Friday, April 15, 2022

2022 NBA Playoffs thread

I estimate the NBA thread only had 10-12 years of content so we’re in reruns already.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 15, 2022 at 11:59 AM | 4354 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2701. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 17, 2022 at 07:36 AM (#6082386)
Pistons take Shadeon Sharpe. I really don't know what to do here. All the boards say Ivey, but I can't get myself to take a guy his size with his assist/turnover numbers in the top five. Until I typed this out, I was going to take Murray, but his age and my hunch about Iowa reliably juicing offensive numbers made me stop. I'm just going to take the big swing and take Sharpe.
   2702. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 07:46 AM (#6082387)
Knicks/2582: would Randle/11 for McDermott/Langford be of interest?
   2703. . . . . . . Posted: June 17, 2022 at 07:56 AM (#6082388)
If you throw in #38, you have a deal.
   2704. PJ Martinez Posted: June 17, 2022 at 08:01 AM (#6082389)
Congrats to the Warriors and their fans. Obviously I was rooting hard for the other side, but it's cool to see Curry, Klay, and Green stick it out and get another one. Curry is incredible, and Wiggins has turned himself into a really good player, and is hard not to root for. Happy to see Kerr and Iguodala get another one, too.
   2705. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 08:05 AM (#6082390)
Already traded away - would a 2024 2nd work instead?
   2706. asinwreck Posted: June 17, 2022 at 08:35 AM (#6082393)
A terrific capper to an amazing comeback season for the Warriors. Winning three games in a row to close out the Celtics is an accomplishment, no matter how fatigued Boston's stars were.

How they attempt to defend this title will be interesting given the unusual composition of the roster. Do they commit to giving Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman meaningful playing time? What's Klay's usage going to be like? What would you do if you were Myers or Kerr?
   2707. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2022 at 08:42 AM (#6082394)
JJ1986/Charlotte, the Bulls will give you Portland's 2023 1st rounder (lottery protected, and remains a lottery-protected 1st thereafter) for PJ Washington.
   2708. BaseballObscura Posted: June 17, 2022 at 09:25 AM (#6082397)
I'll take the Raptors
   2709. mike f Posted: June 17, 2022 at 09:40 AM (#6082400)
Fun season. I don’t post much, but this thread is probably my favorite place on the internet.
   2710. Harlond Posted: June 17, 2022 at 09:42 AM (#6082401)
Mellow Mouse is on the clock. Need owners for: Grizzlies (3), Heat (1), Clippers (1).

1. Oklahoma City (Harlond) (trade) -- Jabari Smith Jr
2. Portland (mike f) (trade) -- Paolo Banchero
3. San Antonio (GregF)(trade) - Chet Holmgren
4. Sacramento (Votto) - Benedict Mathurin
5. Detroit (Cross-Eyed) - Shaedon Sharpe
6. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)
7. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade)
8. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade)
9. Houston (Oriole Tragic)(trade)
10. Washington (HW American)
11. New York (. . . . . .)
12. Oklahoma City (Harlond)
13. Charlotte (JJ1986)
14. Cleveland (DCA)
15. Charlotte (JJ1986)
16. Atlanta (Der-K)
17. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
18. Chicago (Dandy)
19. Minnesota (TFTIO)
20. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
21. Denver (asinwreck)
22. Memphis
23. Philadelphia (57i66135.)
24. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)
25. San Antonio (GregF)
26. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
27. Miami
28. Golden State (DCA)
29. Memphis
30. Denver (asinwreck)

31. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)
32. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)
33. Toronto (Baseball Obscura)
34. Oklahoma City (Harlond)
35. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)
36. Portland (mike f)
37. Sacramento (Votto)
38. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
39. Cleveland (DCA)
40. Minnesota (TFTIO)
41. New Orleans (tshipman)
42. New York (. . . . .)
43. LA Clippers
44. Atlanta (Der-K)
45. Charlotte (JJ1986)
46. Detroit (Cross-Eyed)
47. Memphis
48. Minnesota (TFTIO)
49. Sacramento (Votto)
50. Minnesota (TFTIO)
51. Golden State (DCA)
52. New Orleans (tshipman)
53. Boston (winter's night)
54. Milwaukee (forfeited over Bogdan Bogdanovich)
55. Miami (forfeited over Kyle Lowry)
56. Washington (HW American)
57. Golden State (DCA)
58. Cleveland (DCA)
59. Portland (mike f)
60. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)

TRADES
1. Hawks/Der-K trade Jalen Johnson & Skylar Mays to the Thunder/harlond for Muscala, Williams, the Hornets' 2024 2nd round pick, and the Hawks' 2025 2nd round pick.
2. Pacers/Mellow Mouse trade Myles Turner to Pelicans/tshipman for 2022 #8, Jaxson Hayes, and Jonas Valancuinas.
3. Magic/Athletic Supporter trade the 2022 #1 pick to Thunder/harlond for the 2022 #2 pick and the Wizards' 2023 1st round pick (various protections)
4. Magic/Athletic Supporter trade the 2022 #2 pick to Portland/mike f for the 2022 #7 pick, the Bucks' 2025 1st round pick (protected 1-4), and Nassir Little
5. HOU trades #3 to SA for #9, #20, #38
   2711. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 09:50 AM (#6082402)
With the sixth pick in the 2022 NBA draft, the Indiana Pacers select Jaden Ivey of Perdue.

I was expecting to have to draft the big question mark (Shaedon Sharpe), and honestly, I am OK with just grabbing the best player available and sorting out my guard line later.
   2712. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 17, 2022 at 09:56 AM (#6082404)
At 7, Orlando selects Dyson Daniels, G-League Ignite.
   2713. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 09:59 AM (#6082406)
With the eighth pick in the 2022 NBA draft, the Indiana Pacers select Keegan Murray of Iowa.


I thought about taking him at 6, but figured it was more likely he would be available at 8. I feel weird selecting essentially chalk and taking two Big 10 athletes, but I like them both and think they will fit into the Pacer future.
   2714. DCA Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:11 AM (#6082409)
Mouse - interested in Sexton + draft capital for Brodgon?

I am willing to give the 14 and/or adjust protections on the Rubio pick, among other things.
   2715. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:36 AM (#6082411)
I wrote a long bit on Holmgren on my phone while missing game 6 last night - here's a shorter version:

I see Holmgren as needing to add three physical skills. First is obviously adding strength and mass. The other two are lower body focused - he needs to improve his footwork (which will primarily help him as a five) and his hip flexibility (which will particularly help him on the perimeter). He's fast downcourt and agile laterally, but needs to improve how he takes angles - this will help him get blown by less. If he can meaningfully do two of those three (where strength is the most important and I'm assuming some gains there no matter what), he should be very good.

In terms of comps, I started with upscale Christian Wood. Taller, longer, better shooter (at the same age). Much better intangibles. Much better shot blocking. Considerably better passer (and outlet passer). Even less strength (and Wood is an underrated defender, which is not to say good, but he's fine switching and decent on the perimeter, but weak inside -- Holmgren should be more Chris Boucher-like (but considerably bigger) with his length and toughness).
You don't draft Wood at 1 but he's a solid player and Holmgren has a LOT of advantages on him.

As to low usage, I dunno, he was a freshman for the number one team in the country that already played an All-American big man down low? That helped conceal some of Holmgren's issues and boost his efficiency, but it also kept them from spotlighting him and pumping up his production. When I watched him play (which I got to a few times), I saw a guy who would hang back a bit early, working a team game, and then erupt in sequences when they were otherwise short on studs on the floor. That bodes well for the next level, to me. By all accounts, it's not a low motor issue. Will note: Holmgren is a little old for a freshman.

He's definitely got risk. Weaker than Christian Wood on day 1 ain't great. But I can't ignore that he has skills, and production, and tools.
   2716. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:47 AM (#6082412)
HOU selects Ben Simmons 2.0 Jeremy Sochan, Baylor, at #9.
   2717. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:51 AM (#6082413)
Sochan has a little Garuba to him, no?
   2718. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:53 AM (#6082414)
Mouse - interested in Sexton + draft capital for Brodgon?

I am willing to give the 14 and/or adjust protections on the Rubio pick, among other things.


#14 and some heavily protected future pick, rolling into seconds if it doesn't convert, for the draft capital? I could go for that. I don't care for Sexton, but this next year looks lost anyway.
   2719. . . . . . . Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:56 AM (#6082415)
Already traded away - would a 2024 2nd work instead?

Hm. No, I need a pick this year, I want to go full youth movement and get a high lottery next year.
   2720. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 10:58 AM (#6082416)
@2717/Der-K: Nice pull. Physically for sure. Sochan is listed as 1" taller and 10lbs heavier. Hoping that Garuba isn't already the better shooter. ;)
   2721. DCA Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM (#6082418)
Mouse: Yeah, I can do that. I think the earliest future R1 that I can move is 2026, since the Rubio pick could be either 2023 or 2024. Conveniently, I have two seconds in 2026. Lottery protect the 2026 R1, you get both R2 if it doesn’t convey?

   2722. Hot Wheeling American Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:05 AM (#6082419)
Could it be that the Washington Basketball Team has only ever had a Washington on the court for four minutes? Folks, we change that today (well, in October). Mr. Washington, welcome to your new home:

With the 10th selection in the 2022 draft, the Washington Wizards select Tyrone 'TyTy' Washington, Jr., University of Kentucky.
   2723. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:11 AM (#6082421)
Mouse, what about Brogdon, 31 = Gallo, 16, 44, Huerter?
   2724. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:17 AM (#6082423)
JJ1986/Charlotte, the Bulls will give you Portland's 2023 1st rounder (lottery protected, and remains a lottery-protected 1st thereafter) for PJ Washington.
Sounds good. Looks like you can take him into a Theis trade exception.
   2725. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:20 AM (#6082424)
jj1986/charlotte, are you looking to acquire a center via trade (from me or anybody else)?
   2726. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:26 AM (#6082428)
Yup, using the Theis trade exception.

TRADE 6:
Hornets/JJ1986 trade PJ Washington to Bulls/Dandy for Blazers' 2023 1st round pick (lottery protected in 2023 & thereafter)

The Bulls still have Nikola Vucevic, Coby White, and to a lesser extent Patrick Williams available. Primarily looking for rim protection, outside shooting, and/or draft capital in return.
   2727. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:28 AM (#6082429)
2672: I think that may have happened. Smart goes down theatrically enough to where it may have cost him on that. It’s hard to know definitively.

Yeah, I couldn't tell either, they didn't show a good replay. But Smart doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Did anyone else see the play with a little over 6 minutes left where Grant Williams got the layup and 1 on a fast break; well trailing on the play Smart was next to Curry and Smart tried to draw a foul on Steph by locking Steph's arm and then falling down (even though they were behind the play)? Well, after the foul was called for Williams, Smart got up and was complaining about not getting the call. ############, your team just got a basket and a foul call, had they bought your bullshit you would have cost your team a point; he just doesn't know when to not flop and try his garbage so I think the refs mostly ignore his off ball shenanigans (this also applies to Draymond, but he's less trying to get foul calls as much as get in cheap shots).

Not a huge fan of taking the starters out with a minute to play. The game is over 99.99% of the time, but not 100% of the time with an 11 pt lead.

Absolutely. I thought it was weird when the Warriors did it in game 3 with about the same amount of time/difference. Weird to concede like that there.

Yaron Weitzman @YaronWeitzman
Klay one moment: "I have an elephant memory, I don't forget anything."
Klay's answer to next question: "Man, I forgot."


Relevant

Still can't believe they were so mediocre last season and so great when healthy this year. I was waaaaaay off on them. Very impressive finals win and such a great dynasty.

I'm more of a dynasty stickler, not sure you can be as bad as they were for as long as they were in between titles (injuries obviously were a major factor) and still be a dynasty. Still, this was damn impressive (and one of the things I was kinda right on even though I thought they'd improve more by dealing some of their young guys), maybe the most impressive title even if they're not as good as they were before (Klay being a level or two worse being the main difference).
   2728. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:39 AM (#6082430)
jj1986/charlotte, are you looking to acquire a center via trade (from me or anybody else)?
Maybe after I make my first-round picks, but not right now. I still have Plumlee and I think I can keep him, give Bridges whatever he wants and make the Westbrook trade and stay under the tax (which is a must in Charlotte).
   2729. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:42 AM (#6082432)
2723 - never mind on that, that's too rich for me. i decided that i initially underrated brogdon but then i got to thinking about his health.
   2730. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:45 AM (#6082433)
Man woke up still just happy that Curry got that 4th ring. From the 2015-16 team to the titles with KD to the FMVP, what a journey. 4 titles in 8 years, with the other 4 years being a peak Lebron year, winning in Game 6 at the point when Klay went down with KD already out and two years when various combinations of Steph, Klay and Dray were out with season ending injuries. Hard not to see the Duncan/Pop Spurs as the model here, would be amazing to see them pull one more out over the next few seasons with Steph playing the Tim Duncan role, Dray as Ginobili and one of Wiggins/Kuminga playing the young Kawhi role. Still literally can't ask for any more, if this is the last title they win they are still the defining Bay Area sports franchise of my lifetime (not a Giants fan but still won 4x titles vs. 3x; I was only alive for the last 3 of the 49ers dynasty and they won their last one in 1995, which is 27 years ago at this point).
   2731. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:58 AM (#6082435)
this is more real denver than fake denver but - i've had monte morris on my mind for awhile.
with denver wanting to keep payroll down, it's been alleged that they could dump morris (to the point where i saw that they might give someone a second rounder to take him) as they have murray and hyland already.

1) they might want to keep morris around with murray coming off a major injury and all
2) i don't see hyland as much of a point guard (yes, jokic helps here)
3) wouldn't morris, even with only a year remaining, have positive trade value?

--

if i'm greg/SA, i find a way to make that get 11 for taking on randle deal happen post haste.
   2732. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 11:59 AM (#6082436)
Sexton + draft capital for Brodgon


Mouse: Yeah, I can do that. I think the earliest future R1 that I can move is 2026, since the Rubio pick could be either 2023 or 2024. Conveniently, I have two seconds in 2026. Lottery protect the 2026 R1, you get both R2 if it doesn’t convey?


So Sexton(S&T) + 14 + Lottery protect the 2026 R1, you get both R2 if it doesn’t convey for Malcolm Brogdon.

Love it.
   2733. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:11 PM (#6082437)
one more thing on cleveland/indy -- this all presumes that sexton is on board. what is sexton getting paid in this proposal, would other teams beat that?
   2734. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:13 PM (#6082438)
I have caught up on picks (I think), but trades I did not. And I have to work, so someone else can sort through those.

. . . . . . is on the clock. Need owners for: Grizzlies (3), Heat (1), Clippers (1).

1. Oklahoma City (Harlond) (trade) -- Jabari Smith Jr
2. Portland (mike f) (trade) -- Paolo Banchero
3. San Antonio (GregF)(trade) - Chet Holmgren
4. Sacramento (Votto) - Benedict Mathurin
5. Detroit (Cross-Eyed) - Shaedon Sharpe
6. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) -- Jaden Ivey
7. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade) -- Dyson Daniels
8. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Keegan Murray
9. Houston (Oriole Tragic)(trade) -- Jeremy Sochan
10. Washington (HW American) -- Tyrone 'TyTy' Washington, Jr.
11. New York (. . . . . .)
12. Oklahoma City (Harlond)
13. Charlotte (JJ1986)
14. Cleveland (DCA)
15. Charlotte (JJ1986)
16. Atlanta (Der-K)
17. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
18. Chicago (Dandy)
19. Minnesota (TFTIO)
20. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
21. Denver (asinwreck)
22. Memphis
23. Philadelphia (57i66135.)
24. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)
25. San Antonio (GregF)
26. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
27. Miami
28. Golden State (DCA)
29. Memphis
30. Denver (asinwreck)

31. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)
32. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)
33. Toronto (Baseball Obscura)
34. Oklahoma City (Harlond)
35. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)
36. Portland (mike f)
37. Sacramento (Votto)
38. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
39. Cleveland (DCA)
40. Minnesota (TFTIO)
41. New Orleans (tshipman)
42. New York (. . . . .)
43. LA Clippers
44. Atlanta (Der-K)
45. Charlotte (JJ1986)
46. Detroit (Cross-Eyed)
47. Memphis
48. Minnesota (TFTIO)
49. Sacramento (Votto)
50. Minnesota (TFTIO)
51. Golden State (DCA)
52. New Orleans (tshipman)
53. Boston (winter's night)
54. Milwaukee (forfeited over Bogdan Bogdanovich)
55. Miami (forfeited over Kyle Lowry)
56. Washington (HW American)
57. Golden State (DCA)
58. Cleveland (DCA)
59. Portland (mike f)
60. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)

TRADES
1. Hawks/Der-K trade Jalen Johnson & Skylar Mays to the Thunder/harlond for Muscala, Williams, the Hornets' 2024 2nd round pick, and the Hawks' 2025 2nd round pick.
2. Pacers/Mellow Mouse trade Myles Turner to Pelicans/tshipman for 2022 #8, Jaxson Hayes, and Jonas Valancuinas.
3. Magic/Athletic Supporter trade the 2022 #1 pick to Thunder/harlond for the 2022 #2 pick and the Wizards' 2023 1st round pick (various protections)
4. Magic/Athletic Supporter trade the 2022 #2 pick to Portland/mike f for the 2022 #7 pick, the Bucks' 2025 1st round pick (protected 1-4), and Nassir Little
5. HOU trades #3 to SA for #9, #20, #38
   2735. . . . . . . Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:13 PM (#6082439)
with the #11 pick, the knicks select Jalen Duren

I don't get the hate on Duren. He has no shot, but that's not the limiting factor for a 5, its athletic ability to switch. And Duren is a fantastic athlete for his size - I think its much more plausible he turns into a plus playoff center than Holmgren, whose shot reminds me of Mo Wagner's - more of a curiosity than a useful NBA skill. Duren is also like a year and a half younger than Holmgren; while Duren's freshman year was pitched as a disappointment, Memphis is a dysfunctional situation and a lot of the young hyper-athletes from dysfunctional college programs dramatically improve when they hit the better training of the NBA.

I still need to figure out what to do with Randle - I really like running Toppin and Duren out together, because I think they are complimentary. But I think Duren based on athleticism and age has the best chance at this point in the draft of being the second best player on a 50 win team.
   2736. Harlond Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:17 PM (#6082440)
Dandy, I'll do your deal:

OKC gets: Coby White, #18, Marko Simonovic
CHI gets: #12, Philadelphia's 2025 first rounder, rights to Vasilije Micic

OK?
   2737. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:18 PM (#6082441)
one more thing on cleveland/indy -- this all presumes that sexton is on board. what is sexton getting paid in this proposal, would other teams beat that?


I think the deal was roughly scoped out as 4/$70m. There is some fudge room, but not too much. I don't think he is getting much more than that on the open market, but as they say, it only takes one team.
   2738. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:19 PM (#6082442)
2731: Was waiting for an answer to 2705, and apparently waited too long. (But Knicks, that offer would still stand after the Duren pick.)
   2739. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:21 PM (#6082443)
@Harlond, we have a deal.

The Bulls select Tari Eason. Charlotte is on the clock.
   2740. . . . . . . Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:22 PM (#6082444)
2738 - my response got buried:

"Hm. No, I need a pick this year, I want to go full youth movement and get a high lottery next year."

I tried to think of ways to slice and dice it with some mix of current and future picks but I couldn't figure anything out that I thought would be attractive to you. But open to deal, of course. I think the Knicks need to give Toppin a season of starters minutes to see what they have.
   2741. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:26 PM (#6082445)
2740 - Sorry I missed that. Would a swap of 25 for 42 this year work in place of the 2nd?
   2742. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:30 PM (#6082447)
I think the deal was roughly scoped out as 4/$70m. There is some fudge room, but not too much. I don't think he is getting much more than that on the open market, but as they say, it only takes one team.

exactly my thinking on all counts. maybe since no one has spoken up yet on this you're in the clear? (slash sexton really wants to go to indy, for some reason)

love this deal for indy and don't hate it for cleveland, though that's a lot of pick loss.
   2743. Gaelan Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:31 PM (#6082448)
I don't understand this idea that bigs get played off the floor in the playoffs. We just watched the Celtics not only play both Williams and Horford, but have them be effective.

If they aren't played off the floor, and the Celtics almost won, why is it that Gobert or Holmgren won't be as effective in the playoffs.

Gobert has no shot, but neither does Williams, and Williams sure seemed to make a difference to me.

Sure a guy like Holmgren is going to have a hard time on space if he switches onto Curry, but that is true of everyone. A guy that shoots like Horford and defends like Williams seems like a pretty good player to me.

   2744. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:32 PM (#6082449)
knicks/spurs - depending on what kind of other first you wanted, shouldn't be hard to get a third team involved to resolve this for you. (probably not me, unless i got a sweetheart deal)
   2745. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:36 PM (#6082450)
2743: Exactly my thinking with Holmgren. If anything I don't classify him as a "big" since you wouldn't want him as the primary post defender, but he can handle the Williams rim protector role while spacing the floor and keeping the ball moving on offence. (And his length and motor should allow him to avoid being completely exploited on switches.)
   2746. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:40 PM (#6082452)
Charlotte takes AJ Griffin at 13. Cleveland or Indiana is on the clock.
   2747. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:43 PM (#6082453)
I will give it a half hour for people to object about Sexton's completely understandable love of Indianapolis and then I will pick. :)
   2748. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:51 PM (#6082456)
Re: 2744: Is anybody interested in sending a 2nd this year for SA's in 2023 or 2024? (The 2023 pick is locked into a swap with IND, so would likely be the lower of the two.)
   2749. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:54 PM (#6082457)
@DCA/GSW: I'll do #17 + Nwaba for Wiseman if you aren't getting traction with Thybulle.
   2750. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:55 PM (#6082458)
2748: I would be willing to send my worse 2nd, but it is truly terrible at #60, so I doubt it helps. But if it helps?
   2751. tshipman Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:58 PM (#6082459)
I don't understand this idea that bigs get played off the floor in the playoffs. We just watched the Celtics not only play both Williams and Horford, but have them be effective.

If they aren't played off the floor, and the Celtics almost won, why is it that Gobert or Holmgren won't be as effective in the playoffs.

Gobert has no shot, but neither does Williams, and Williams sure seemed to make a difference to me.

Sure a guy like Holmgren is going to have a hard time on space if he switches onto Curry, but that is true of everyone. A guy that shoots like Horford and defends like Williams seems like a pretty good player to me.


Williams was bad against the Bucks and the big lineups couldn't play. Against the Warriors, those lineups only worked because Al Horford shot 63% from 3 in the series.

Gobert got played off the court by *Jalen Brunson*. That's a huge problem for that player type.
   2752. . . . . . . Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:58 PM (#6082460)
I would swap 25 for 42 and give you Duren, yes.
   2753. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 12:59 PM (#6082461)
Also if someone wants my really good second-rounder (#31) they can have it, as I have plenty of young players. Some sort of future asset (but better than above, unless #2748 you have something else to throw in for the good second?).
   2754. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:05 PM (#6082462)
the problem with gobert versus dallas wasn't gobert, it was his teammates. he still plays if he has more capable defenders alongside him.
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mouse, what if i offer two future seconds for 31?
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2749/oriole - i bet you would!
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if anyone has designs on #16, i'm listening... (fwiw, the guy pre-draft that i was looking for was eason)
   2755. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:05 PM (#6082463)
2752: We have a deal then:

SA trades McDermott, Langford, 25 to NY for Randle, 11 (Duren), 42

Nice dealing with you ...... - and let me know if Reddish is one of the young players you want to hang onto, or if he might be available as well.
   2756. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6082464)
....../NYK: you are trading #11/Duren for #25 and #42?

Edit: If I'm reading that correctly...which I clearly didn't.

Edit2: great move GregF, I almost reached for Duren at #9.
   2757. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:10 PM (#6082465)
the problem with gobert versus dallas wasn't gobert, it was his teammates. he still plays if he has more capable defenders alongside him.


This. Utah has a really bad defense excluding Gobert, and then count on his to shore everything up and make it respectable. Which works in the Regular Season, but can be exploited in the playoffs. I don't think that is a Gobert problem so much as a rest of the team problem.

mouse, what if i offer two future seconds for 31?


How about a future second and future 1st pick swap? Really any time in the future, I mostly like the idea of 1st round pick swap rights. They amuse me.

EDIT: I may not be taking this as seriously as I should. Sorry.
   2758. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:11 PM (#6082466)
Meanwhile, now that we finally have a Raps GM...BaseballObscura, would you be willing to look at an Anunoby deal? I'd offer Richardson/Johnson/Duren/42 for Anunoby/33 if that's of interest.
   2759. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:14 PM (#6082467)
@Der-K/2754: what did you have in mind for #16? Picks or players?
   2760. tshipman Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:15 PM (#6082468)
the problem with gobert versus dallas wasn't gobert, it was his teammates. he still plays if he has more capable defenders alongside him.


Gobert was also a problem! He made 40 million dollars and averaged 5.5 shots per game while not being a plus on defense!
   2761. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:18 PM (#6082469)
Mouse, how about first round pick swap rights next year plus that year’s second?
   2762. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:18 PM (#6082470)
With the eighth pick in the 2022 NBA draft, the Indiana Pacers select Nikola Jovic.

We love his youth, size, versatility, BBall IQ ... well the whole package. We think his current weaknesses can be fixed through coaching and time as his body fills out.

   2763. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:21 PM (#6082471)
Pick #15 is also available in trade. I'd probably want a later first this year and another asset.
   2764. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:21 PM (#6082472)
Mouse, how about first round pick swap rights next year plus that year’s second?


I want to, but I can't. Unless your team bus crashes* I am trading this year's best 2nd for a worse 2nd in the future.

* The only way your team has a worse record than mine next year.
   2765. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:23 PM (#6082473)
Oriole, it all depends on what people have… Houston is a tough matchup. Would have explored Wood plus stuff = pick, but a match might be tricky b/w you and I.

Wait - maybe a pick swap?
   2766. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:24 PM (#6082474)
@MM/2762: you picked Keegan at #8, no? Maybe I missed a trade.

I'm looking at post #2713.

Oh, maybe you mean #14?
   2767. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:28 PM (#6082475)
2764/mouse - reasonable!
   2768. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:28 PM (#6082476)
Not eighth. Sheesh. Copy-paste error. I am dumb.

With the 14th pick. Sheesh.
   2769. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:31 PM (#6082477)
@JJ1986/2763, how far down do you want to trade in the first round? You want #26 and #38?
   2770. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:34 PM (#6082479)
How about 20/26 = 16/44/future 2nd?
   2771. JJ1986 Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6082481)
@JJ1986/2763, how far down do you want to trade in the first round? You want #26 and #38?
I'll do 20 and 38 or 26 and next year's Milwaukee first.
   2772. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:43 PM (#6082482)
I think this is right. I only did the first round and didn't do trades and owners.

Oriole Tragic is on the clock.

1. Oklahoma City (Harlond) (trade) -- Jabari Smith Jr
2. Portland (mike f) (trade) -- Paolo Banchero
3. San Antonio (GregF)(trade) - Chet Holmgren
4. Sacramento (Votto) - Benedict Mathurin
5. Detroit (Cross-Eyed) - Shaedon Sharpe
6. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) -- Jaden Ivey
7. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade) -- Dyson Daniels
8. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Keegan Murray
9. Houston (Oriole Tragic)(trade) -- Jeremy Sochan
10. Washington (HW American) -- Tyrone 'TyTy' Washington, Jr.
11. New York (. . . . . .) -- Jalen Duren
12. Chicago (Dandy)(trade) -- Tari Eason
13. Charlotte (JJ1986) -- AJ Griffin
14. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Nikola Jovic
15. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
16. Atlanta (Der-K)
17. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
18. Oklahoma City (Harlond)(trade)
19. Minnesota (TFTIO)
20. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
21. Denver (asinwreck)
22. Memphis
23. Philadelphia (57i66135.)
24. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)
25. San Antonio (GregF)
26. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)
27. Miami
28. Golden State (DCA)
29. Memphis
30. Denver (asinwreck)
   2773. BaseballObscura Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:45 PM (#6082484)
Meanwhile, now that we finally have a Raps GM...BaseballObscura, would you be willing to look at an Anunoby deal? I'd offer Richardson/Johnson/Duren/42 for Anunoby/33 if that's of interest.


Who's Duren?

   2774. BaseballObscura Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:52 PM (#6082485)

Meanwhile, now that we finally have a Raps GM...BaseballObscura, would you be willing to look at an Anunoby deal? I'd offer Richardson/Johnson/Duren/42 for Anunoby/33 if that's of interest.


holding off
   2775. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:52 PM (#6082486)
@JJ1986/2771:

I'll do #15 for #26 and next year's Milwaukee first.
   2776. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:53 PM (#6082488)
Is anyone representing the Jazz? The Bulls would consider a Gobert deal.

I'm also open to a Poeltl deal since he looks like the odd man out in San Antonio. I'm a bit lukewarm on Poeltl since he's a UFA in a year and somewhat lacking in mobility, but he's a pretty good rim protector and likely a better fit for the Bulls than Vucevic as a result.

@GregF, how about Patrick Williams for Poeltl and the return of the Bulls' picks from the DeRozan S+T (2025 1st + 2nd)?

   2777. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 01:56 PM (#6082489)
baseballobscura/toronto - are you, by any chance, interested in either john collins or clint capela?
   2778. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:05 PM (#6082491)
HOU selects Malaki Branham at #15.

Der-K is on the clock.

1. Oklahoma City (Harlond) (trade) -- Jabari Smith Jr
2. Portland (mike f) (trade) -- Paolo Banchero
3. San Antonio (GregF)(trade) - Chet Holmgren
4. Sacramento (Votto) - Benedict Mathurin
5. Detroit (Cross-Eyed) - Shaedon Sharpe
6. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) -- Jaden Ivey
7. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade) -- Dyson Daniels
8. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Keegan Murray
9. Houston (Oriole Tragic)(trade) -- Jeremy Sochan
10. Washington (HW American) -- Tyrone 'TyTy' Washington, Jr.
11. New York (. . . . . .) -- Jalen Duren
12. Chicago (Dandy)(trade) -- Tari Eason
13. Charlotte (JJ1986) -- AJ Griffin
14. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Nikola Jovic
15. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade) -- Malaki Branham
16. Atlanta (Der-K)
17. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
18. Oklahoma City (Harlond)(trade)
19. Minnesota (TFTIO)
20. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
21. Denver (asinwreck)
22. Memphis
23. Philadelphia (57i66135.)
24. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)
25. San Antonio (GregF)
26. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)
27. Miami
28. Golden State (DCA)
29. Memphis
30. Denver (asinwreck)
   2779. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:06 PM (#6082492)
(as i desperately try to trade down or up from 16 ... there are people i like lower and people i liked who went above)

oriole, guessing you don't want this as you're moving 15 - but are you interested in 16 for garuba and a future first (can have heavy protections, must convey as a first)?
charlotte, did you want to move griffin for 16 + something? same for chicago with eason and indy with murray?
   2780. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:07 PM (#6082493)
oh dang
   2781. DCA Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:09 PM (#6082494)
OT - I think I'm going to hold Wiseman if the only option is the 17 + Nwaba. So you can go ahead and pick.
   2782. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:15 PM (#6082497)
@DCA/2781: no problem, I was just going with your suggestion from #2595. LMK if there's a sweetener I can add?
   2783. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:17 PM (#6082498)
@Der-K Garuba and a future first is a tad rich.

Maybe we can figure out a three-way with DCA where I can get Wiseman, you can trade out of #16 and get Garuba and the future first?
   2784. GregF Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:20 PM (#6082499)
2773-2774: Jalen Duren, C out of Memphis drafted with the #11 pick.

2776: Interesting. I'd think Poeltl would still have a substantial role even with the moves so far, but I'll bite on Williams' potential.

SA trades Poeltl, 1st (CHI - 2025 Conditional), 2nd (CHI - 2025) to Chi for P. Williams
   2785. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:33 PM (#6082502)
i'm up for that (3 way deal) - though i don't want people to wait too long.

otherwise - chicago = what about eason + muscala = 16?
(back online in an hour)
   2786. DCA Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:41 PM (#6082504)
Maybe we can figure out a three-way with DCA where I can get Wiseman, you can trade out of #16 and get Garuba and the future first?

I poked around but I don't see it. I'm going offline shortly until evening, don't want to hold up the draft for a likely futile negotiation.
   2787. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 17, 2022 at 02:52 PM (#6082505)
The nice thing about this Celtics team is that the age and contract status of basically everyone but Al Horford is great. They have Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams III, and White for multiple years, everyone but Brown for at least three.
Boston still has a problem. Who's the guy? The one who goes and gets a bucket to break a scoring drought? Who's the focal point of the offense in crunch time? We know who it is for Golden State. I thought it would be Jayson Tatum, but he didn't fulfill that role in these Finals.

Regarding Curry among the all-time greats, I have nine players ahead of him, ranked:

Jordan
Wilt
LeBron
Russell
Magic
Kareem
Duncan
Bird
Jerry West (directly comparable to Steph and better - imagine him with a 3-point line)

Steph, Shaq, or Kobe for 10th? I'm siding with the Inside the NBA crew and choosing the reigning Finals MVP.
   2788. tshipman Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:03 PM (#6082506)
I think Steph is better than Bird or West, pretty clearly at this point.

The list in 2787 is missing Hakeem and Garnett. Steph seems likely to be in the 5-12 swamp, where you can kind of make a case for a bunch of different guys in a different order.

Edit: I think the most interesting comparison for Steph is actually Magic, where they have similar strengths as players, despite playing and looking as different as possible.
   2789. aberg Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:04 PM (#6082507)
Uh oh, I've been busy and missed the start of the draft. I'll take Miami if nobody wants them.

I was thinking last night about Curry vs. Durant in all-time rankings. Curry has a longer list of accomplishments, but Durant was the best player when they were on the same team together in their respective primes. Would be hard for me to put Steph above KD for that reason.

It was pretty cool seeing Iggy come on for the last couple minutes last night. Wish the series would have been a little tighter. My prediction was GS in 6 on the basis that their offensive skill level could survive Boston's hellacious defense better than Boston's kind of basic offensive structure could survive GS's extremely smart and disciplined defense. When GS neutralized Tatum, Boston's plans B, C, D, etc did not execute consistently enough. You can blame Tatum for not being as good as Giannis, Lebron, Steph, or KD and being able to put up 30+ when the defensive scheme is totally geared toward you, but I'm more inclined to put that on the others. At every stage in team building, Boston erred on the side of defense over playmaking or shooting, and we saw those compromises this week.

Lastly, I have tried really hard not to be petty about Andrew Wiggins and to embrace the fit for him in SF. On the other hand, I just can't get over the change in effort level. I looked it up today. He had 37 games in Minnesota with 0 or 1 rebound (8.5% of his games) and has had 7 in GS (4.5%). His 0 rebound games went from 2% to 1%. This thought occurred to me during the 16 rebound game when he was working his ass off on the glass every time down the floor. That DID NOT HAPPEN in Minnesota. When you're 6'8 with a 1 million inch vertical, 0 and 1 rebound games come from a lack of focus and effort. I don't blame him for the bad teams, for the messy rosters, or for the fact that Glen Taylor looked him in the eye and wrote him a 9-figure check, but I do blame him for sleepwalking through hundreds of games for my favorite team and snapping out of it when he got traded. Maybe that's shallow, but that's my emotional reaction.

Also, Steph Curry ain't done #### in the Australian league compared to Jonny Flynn.
   2790. tshipman Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:08 PM (#6082508)
I was thinking last night about Curry vs. Durant in all-time rankings. Curry has a longer list of accomplishments, but Durant was the best player when they were on the same team together in their respective primes. Would be hard for me to put Steph above KD for that reason.


I think it's not at all clear to me that Durant was the best player on that team.
   2791. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:10 PM (#6082509)
@Der-K: No thanks. I'm unusually high on Eason.

My next and quite possibly last order of business for the Bulls is to trade Vucevic.

@Knicks (......): I know you're rebuilding but probably also looking to clear cap space for next summer. The easiest way to do that is to deal Fournier for an expiring contract, which Vucevic happens to be. I have to think you'd need to attach a draft pick or two in order to clear Fournier's 2023-24 salary, so how about this:

NYK: Vucevic (+$20M in cap space next summer)
CHI: Fournier, 2023 DAL 1st, 2024 DET 2nd

If anyone else is interested in a deal for Vucevic, let me know.
   2792. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:21 PM (#6082512)
Man, I love what Dandy is doing for the Bulls. And in an attempt to get the Knicks or anyone else to take Vuc, if you're tanking he's a great asset on an expiring deal; he'll put up good numbers and will probably fetch you something decent at the trade deadline, but won't actually help you win that much. Win, win.
   2793. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:23 PM (#6082514)
I think it's not at all clear to me that Durant was the best player on that team.
Exactly. Two of the three years they were together, Curry had the higher PER. Their Win Shares/48 in that span are nearly identical: .228 for Curry, .229 for Durant.
   2794. Oriole Tragic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:26 PM (#6082516)
2792: I was just thinking about how much I'm looking forward to Dandy's Bulls breakdown from this mock.
   2795. sardonic Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:28 PM (#6082518)
I think between the lines it's close between Steph and KD. To believe that he's better than KD, you'd have to give Steph a lot of gravity credit, but I don't think that's totally crazy.

There's probably something to how valuable being an all time great shooter is from a team building aspect vs. an all time great bucket getter. Between the lines KD lost the 2012 Finals with peak Westbrook, an ascending James Harden and decent role players in their primes in Ibaka, Sefolosha. Would Curry's shooting have elevated that surrounding talent? Guys like Wiggins, Payton II, OPJ and Looney looked pretty good on their diet of open looks created by Steph's gravity even in the Finals. Has KD's game elevated the Joe Harris, Bruce Brown and Patty Millses?

Then if you expand the analysis outside the lines, Steph has a stronger case. In addition to being a top 12-ish player of all time, he's doesn't also bring shitty GM-ing to the table and I think his locker room presence/leadership style can't be discounted either. He was able to set the tone with KD and Draymond in the same locker room, which in light of subsequent events doesn't seem trivial to me at all. He came off the bench for the first 3 games of the playoffs. Yeah, he's probably gotta share that credit with Kerr and Klay/Dray, but I don't think that KD comes to the Warriors or integrates well enough to win 2 titles without that. It seems totally inevitable in hindsight, but I don't think it is at all -- super groups have a surprisingly high failure rate imo (KD/Kyrie/Harden, Kobe/Nash/Dwight, Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton). I think KD has got to wear at least some of the current Nets' implosion.


It's hard to separate what's Steph for some of these vs. what might be Kerr or Klay/Draymond since they've been constants in the 4 title runs. But if you trade KD and, say, Seth Curry for Steph and Klay this year, does that team win this title? Mind you Steph is about 6 months older than KD.
   2796. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:50 PM (#6082522)
I like what Dandy is doing with Chicago as well - and do not like my inaction and I don't like my pick. Ah well.

With #16, Atlanta selects Ousmane Dieng, SF, NZ Breakers.

Oriole Tragic/Houston is back on the clock.

Dieng was not at the top of my board, but I see a gap between the previous picks and what's available here and his 80th percentile outcome is a good fit for what I want to do.

--

Atlanta would, as noted before, also talk to Utah about Gobert. Also, someone please take Memphis? They have 3 picks and need to make consolidation deals, imo.
   2797. Moeball Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:50 PM (#6082523)
All I know is Steph has won titles before KD, with KD and after KD.

Also, BTW, maybe Steph is never gonna be a great defender, but am I the only one who thinks he has improved a lot in that aspect of his game compared to, say, 2015 Steph?

Given how all his teammates last night said how happy they were that Steph finally got this recognition as Finals MVP, given that KD wanted to join GS, given that there are rumors now that LBJ wants to join them, Wiggins WANTS to do the work here that he wasn't inspired to do in Minnesota and has talked about how much Steph has encouraged him - everybody wants to play with Steph. It's not just that the team is successful, it's that they look like they're having so much fun!

I can only conclude that Steph Curry is the GOAT (Greatest Of All Teammates).
   2798. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: June 17, 2022 at 03:59 PM (#6082525)
2797--

I think some of that vibe is also Kerr. I have said this a few times, but when the long-time Sports Illustrated NBA writer Jack McCallum retired, he was asked what he would miss most about the gig. He said three things: watching Michael Jordan play live and up close, and talking to Steve Kerr and Joe Dumars. He added that the Kerr/Dumars part had nothing to do with basketball; they were just two of the best people he had ever met, period. I have always liked Kerr even though he always been on/running teams that my team was trying to beat, going back to when he played at Arizona. Kerr has nine rings now, BTW.
   2799. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: June 17, 2022 at 04:01 PM (#6082527)
The list in 2787 is missing Hakeem and Garnett. Steph seems likely to be in the 5-12 swamp, where you can kind of make a case for a bunch of different guys in a different order.


Yes, this is where I am as well. Comparing Curry to guys like Garnett and Olajuwon would be an interesting thought exercise.
   2800. Harlond Posted: June 17, 2022 at 04:04 PM (#6082528)
Der-K is on the clock. It would be helpful for me trying to keep this up to date and organized if trades were clearly marked as completed trades. Like, "This is a completed trade: . . . .


1. Oklahoma City (Harlond) (trade) -- Jabari Smith Jr
2. Portland (mike f) (trade) -- Paolo Banchero
3. San Antonio (GregF)(trade) - Chet Holmgren
4. Sacramento (Votto) - Benedict Mathurin
5. Detroit (Cross-Eyed) - Shaedon Sharpe
6. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) -- Jaden Ivey
7. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade) -- Dyson Daniels
8. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Keegan Murray
9. Houston (Oriole Tragic)(trade) -- Jeremy Sochan
10. Washington (HW American) -- Tyrone 'TyTy' Washington, Jr.
11. New York (. . . . . .) -- Jalen Duren (then traded to San Antonio)
12. Chicago (Dandy)(trade) -- Tari Eason
13. Charlotte (JJ1986) -- AJ Griffin
14. Indiana (Mellow Mouse) (trade) -- Nikola Jovic
15. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade) -- Malaki Branham
16. Atlanta (Der-K)
17. Houston (Oriole Tragic)
18. Oklahoma City (Harlond)(trade)
19. Minnesota (TFTIO)
20. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
21. Denver (asinwreck)
22. Memphis
23. Philadelphia (57i66135.)
24. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)
25. New York (. . . . .) (trade)
26. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)
27. Miami (aberg)
28. Golden State (DCA)
29. Memphis
30. Denver (asinwreck)

31. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)
32. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)
33. Toronto (Baseball Obscura)
34. Oklahoma City (Harlond)
35. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)
36. Portland (mike f)
37. Sacramento (Votto)
38. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)
39. Cleveland (DCA)
40. Minnesota (TFTIO)
41. New Orleans (tshipman)
42. San Antonio (GregF)
43. LA Clippers
44. Atlanta (Der-K)
45. Charlotte (JJ1986)
46. Detroit (Cross-Eyed)
47. Memphis
48. Minnesota (TFTIO)
49. Sacramento (Votto)
50. Minnesota (TFTIO)
51. Golden State (DCA)
52. New Orleans (tshipman)
53. Boston (winter's night)
54. Milwaukee (forfeited over Bogdan Bogdanovich)
55. Miami (forfeited over Kyle Lowry)
56. Washington (HW American)
57. Golden State (DCA)
58. Cleveland (DCA)
59. Portland (mike f)
60. Indiana (Mellow Mouse)

TRADES
1. Hawks/Der-K trade Jalen Johnson & Skylar Mays to the Thunder/harlond for Muscala, Williams, the Hornets' 2024 2nd round pick, and the Hawks' 2025 2nd round pick.
2. Pacers/Mellow Mouse trade Myles Turner to Pelicans/tshipman for 2022 #8, Jaxson Hayes, and Jonas Valancuinas.
3. Magic/Athletic Supporter trade the 2022 #1 pick to Thunder/harlond for the 2022 #2 pick and the Wizards' 2023 1st round pick (various protections)
4. Magic/Athletic Supporter trade the 2022 #2 pick to Portland/mike f for the 2022 #7 pick, the Bucks' 2025 1st round pick (protected 1-4), and Nassir Little
5. HOU trades #3 to SA for #9, #20, #38
6. Hornets/JJ1986 trade PJ Washington to Bulls/Dandy for Blazers' 2023 1st round pick (lottery protected in 2023 & thereafter)
7. SA/GregF trades McDermott, Langford, 25 to NY/. . . . . for Randle, 11 (Duren), 42
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