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2023 NBA Playoffs Thread
I estimate the NBA thread only had 10-12 teams in the play-in round.
Hombre Brotani
Posted: April 13, 2023 at 04:37 PM | 2710 comment(s)
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that's the name of the biography about Petrovic, another man with artistic flair from that part of the world. They are not literally on the same plane, and only an imbecile would think so.
Croatia still grieves the athlete who gave them inspiration in some of the nation's darkest hours. give them the damn nickname, at least. they don't have a lot.
also, switching to decaf can greatly improve one's mood.
:)
- mozart
The name of the biography... Artistic Flair? Really? Listen, we all know Drazen Petrovic was a remarkable basketball player with an incredible finesse in his game. But equating his basketball prowess to the artistic genius of Mozart is hyperbole. It's sensationalist. It's preposterous. It's an injustice to both men and their respective crafts.
And trust me, I understand the pain of Croatia. I have very dear Croatian friends. Very dear. I recognize the profound impact Drazen Petrovic had on his homeland, especially during their most trying times. There's no question that he inspired his nation and helped put Croatian basketball on the map. No question. But let's give the man his due without appropriating the legacy of another icon.
And as for your suggestion to switch to decaf — please. This isn't about caffeine. This is about passion. This is about respect for the greats in their own arenas. It's about honoring the legacies of extraordinary individuals without diluting their achievements by making outlandish comparisons.
I'll tell you what, though. I'll consider decaf when the world stops with these absurd analogies. Until then, I'll keep doing what I do best: speaking my mind, speaking my truth, no matter what. I'm not going anywhere.
"The quality of mercy is not strain’d,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
‘Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy seasons justice."
But let me tell you something: It’s not about mercy here, it’s about the truth. I have the utmost respect for Drazen Petrovic and his legacy. I’ve spent the entirety of my career fighting for respect for athletes and their accomplishments. But comparing Petrovic to Mozart? That's just a bridge too far.
And listen, you want to quote Shakespeare at me? Fine. But remember, Shakespeare also wrote, "This above all: to thine own self be true." So, let’s be true to the legacies of these two great men and stop the comparisons.
And here's another one for you, since you like quoting the Bard so much: "Brevity is the soul of wit." So I'll be brief: Stop with the nonsense. This is Stephen A. Smith. And I've had it with the foolishness!
Tom Lehrer, still alive, said that almost 60 years ago.
Oh lord have mercy, Donald Trump has weighed in. Now I've seen it all. I gotta tell you, I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be discussing Mozart with Donald Trump.
First of all, Mr. Trump, calling Mozart a "bonafide scrub"? Really? Do you even know what scrub means? Mozart was a master of his craft, a prodigy who composed over 800 works of music in his lifetime. And you say he "can't play music"? Sir, the man didn't just play music, he CREATED it.
And as for his "small hands" — let me tell you something: it's not about the size of your hands, it's about the artistry in your heart and the creativity in your mind. Mozart was crafting symphonies while you and I were still learning to tie our shoes.
And before I forget: Tom Lehrer, the brilliant satirist and songwriter, a dear friend indeed. If you know anything about Tom, you know that he appreciates wit, he appreciates intelligence, and he certainly appreciates the profound artistry of Mozart. I'm sure Tom would agree with me that this comparison — this attack on Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart — is beneath us.
This isn't a game, Mr. Trump. This isn't politics. This is about respecting the genius of Mozart, the skill of Drazen Petrovic, and the sanctity of their respective legacies. They both deserve better than being reduced to punchlines in a debate they didn't ask to be a part of.
In the immortal words of Lehrer himself, "Life is like a sewer... what you get out of it depends on what you put into it." So let's put some respect into it, shall we? This is Stephen A. Smith, and I'm done playing games.
Low-impact exercise is an important part of the rehab process!
to gain applause, one must say things so inane that they might be backed by barrel-organs;
or so unintelligible that no rational being can comprehend them;
though on that very account, they are likely to please.
Passions, whether violent or not,
should never be so expressed as to reach the point of causing disgust;
and rhetoric, even in situations of the greatest horror,
should never be painful to the ear but should flatter and charm it,
and thereby always remain rhetoric.
To talk well and eloquently is a very great art,
but an equally great one is to know the right moment to stop.
They can't offer more than the $5m TPMLE. He's going to be able to get a lot more than that on the open market (and likely from teams with better title shots).
I'm not surprised the Suns are moving on from Paul. But I am surprised they aren't guaranteeing his deal and then offering him around in trade.
Is he?
Who would give Chris Paul more than $5m?
From Kawakami, noted ownership mouthpiece -- this is how I thought they'd approach things as well, and generally how I'll approach the BBTF Warriors in the upcoming draft.
Sixers, if Harden leaves.
Nets, if they can offload Simmons or a wing.
Grizzlies, if Morant is out for a while.
Bulls
Raptors
Any bad team that he's willing to play for - IMO the best thing you can do to develop young players is put them with a good and experienced PG. Great fit on the Spurs and they might be good again, quick.
Under the new CBA, the regular MLE is almost 2x the TPMLE. It's a big difference.
Of this list, the only one that even remotely makes sense is the Grizzlies.
I think so, but that also seems like a sneaky way to get around cap limits and those are generally anticipated and prevented.
CHI: Paul
IND: Ayton, P.Williams
PHX: Turner, Hield, Ball
Miami has to come up with answers in 48 hours, or the series will end in five as I originally predicted.
My goodness some people will never learn. 40 point Caleb Martin game incoming.
Interesting, thanks for posting. That is a big difference.
Old guys seem to do one of three things: maximize earnings, pick based on location, or chase rings. So I don't see OKC, Brooklyn, Memphis, Chicago, etc., making any sense.
Miami is probably another option that I don't think was mentioned yet.
Then there’s Chris Paul. 18 years into the league, I don’t think he has ever not been worth the money he was paid. Sure, he’s not perfect. He’s old and can’t be relied on to play every game. But even last year, he had the same WS per 48 minutes as Booker, and actually played more minutes than Booker did for the regular season.
I’d love to see him finally play for the Lakers. He’s still a good investment for any team. His contract is reasonable by NBA standards, his 30 million is only half of what a max player can get now. I don’t understand how the Suns think waiving him and paying half could possibly be a good move.
And I still don’t understand how teams have undervalued him in the past, like thinking his contract was so bad that you need to send 4 first rounders out to swap him for a guy who was worse and making the same kind of money. Dumb Rockets. Then Phoenix gets him for a single first rounder, which ended up as the last pick of the round since Paul helped make the Suns so good.
Interesting, thanks for posting. That is a big difference.
Actually it's bigger than that (original text was a typo on my part). Almost 2.5x the TPMLE ($12m vs $5m). The chance seems to me to be trying to funnel that tier of player to the non-taxpaying teams. In the last CBA, the difference was small enough (about 1.5x) that it was common for guys to turn down the full MLE for a slightly smaller deal from a taxpaying team. Now it's a much bigger sacrifice to do that.
It depends on what your goals are as a player, and which player we're talking about.
If you are a veteran, and your goal is additional flexibility, and being able to play for contenders, it seems like you're going to make less money comparatively than you would have before.
However, rookies will make more. Midlevel guys will make more, and players as a group will make a lot more. In addition, although it's distasteful, stars will make a #### ton more money by being able to take endorsements from gambling and drug companies.
So if your goal is winning as a vet, you lose. If your goal is making money, you win.
I'm also not sure how many guys are turning down 3 year full MLEs for TPMLEs. That's a lot of money left on the table for a player type where that money is likely super valuable - unless it's someone who was a max player earlier in their career.
Guys regularly decide to sign vet minimums to contend. David West, Cousins, etc.
Finals: If Murray plays like that, Denver is very hard to beat, and he has been able to do it a lot.
Pelicans:
+ Anfernee Simons
+ Shadeon Sharpe
+ 2023 #3 overall pick
TrailBlazers:
+ Zion Williamson
Moriah Mills.
Inverted 4/1 PnR, where Dame pops.
Spain PnR where the center pops and Zion rolls.
The fit on offense is phenomenal.
Also, while next year's draft is supposed to be very weak, I believe (?) that sort of distinction usually mostly applies to top 5/lottery type talents.
Seems like a sensible play for Denver; the jockeying teams do around the looming CBA this offseason is going to be fascinating.
For OKC in particular, I get that they want to declutter their first round, but this seems like the kind of deal they could have had at any point. They give up a ton of value to move back.
IMO, the goal should be to move up from 12 to 3 (or something like that to be clear), not back in time.
I get how that would be ideal for OKC from a value perspective, but I'm skeptical an NBA team with the #3 pick would trade back to 12 without OKC overpaying. Teams pretty much only trade off a pick that high to get talent for now, so who would OKC even attach? I don't think Dort is valuable enough, SGA is much too good, and basically everyone else is 22. I think moving back in time is kind of the only way to move up to 3 paying only draft equity. It'll be interesting to see what kind of protections they agreed to.
Well, this is an overpay, too. I would look to overpay dramatically to go up, rather than overpay a little to go back.
I think OKC could orchestrate more of a 3 team deal.
So team A contributes the high draft pick, OKC contributes the bulk of the value, and team C contributes the guy that Portland (or whoever) is targeting.
Fair - I just think these deals are really, really rare, and that's not because there aren't teams that want to move up. Like, I don't know how much of their draft capital they'd have to use in a draft like this year to do it, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say it'd be most of it.
"win one for ish smith" isn't the greatest rallying cry i've ever heard.
maybe throw them into the "delay of game" basket, along with that ryan hollins bullshit.
Had exactly the same thought, I bet we had it at the same time, on one particular Jokic kick where he not only swung his foot, soccer style, but had a look on his face that said "I could do this all night".
Intentional kick balls should not be allowed. I'm shocked it's been allowed for so long
(I'm kidding, of course, they're obviously going to win the next 3.)
The reason I've come to prefer basketball is that in basketball the better team wins the game. That doesn't mean that upsets don't happen, but when they do like when Iowa beat South Carolina in the women's tourney, it is because they played better. Unlike in hockey, where playing better does not mean you win the game. Over time the game itself becomes pointless.
Thank you to the Nuggets for persevering against the officials, justice is restored.
A couple of things. I think luck in hockey goes beyond hot goaltending, and has to do with having so few scoring events. You can outplay a team for an entire period and the score not change, that doesn't happen in basketball.
Second, I think there is a difference between variance and luck. Shooting has a natural variance around it, but you actually make the shot or don't, and making the shot or don't is a real thing that happens. Whether a goal goes in or not is more than just variance, a lot of the time it is just luck. Now luck also has variance around it, so it seems like the same phenomenon, but I don't think it is. Compare a puck going off someone's skate and into the net to someone making a three point shot. Both have variance, but one of them is luck.
(I imagine you'd say soccer, especially under current interpretations of the hand ball rule, suffers from the same flaw.)
Spo making a terrible decision to not tell his team to shoot 50% from 3 in these losses. I really question the coaching.
If I were coaching the Heat, I would simply tell Max Strus to start hitting 3pers.
you'd probably have to go to some hipster bar in brooklyn to find someone who'd ever think to bring it up.
The adjustment is right there, obvious to anyone, and yet... too stubborn to change it up? smh
Erik Spoelstra is excited for Lionel Messi's move to Inter Miami: "Hopefully I can get a ticket"
(I didn't check the numbers, but am assuming it's correct.)
To drive it home - if Miami and Milwaukee shot the same % from 3 in round 1, Milwaukee would have outscored Miami by 2pts/game. This with Butler probably having his best series of his career, Giannis being hurt the whole series, and Milwaukee not playing well.
If Miami and Boston shot the same % from 3, Boston would have outscored Miami by ~7-8pts/game (exact number depends a bit on what percentage you use).
So it should by no means be surprisingly they're getting pretty comfortably beaten by a very good team that is beating them from 3.
As parity grows, I do expect many more playoff series - even on-paper lopsided ones - to mostly come down to 3pt variance. If you don't have a LeBron or Curry, weathering a 6 pt/game swing in expectation - which is really not uncommon in a 5-7 game sample - is actually pretty tricky.
I am pretty happy that Denver looks like they're going to win this though.
I think we can hopefully air sour grapes while also making legit points while also criticizing our own teams. I'm certainly right there with you. I can be disgusted at the Celtics for turning Caleb Martin into Kobe for 7 games while also throwing up my hands that Gabe ####### Vincent went 16-31 from 3.
EDIT: One does not air sour grapes but I couldn't figure out how to say that!
It's kinda reminiscent of DIPS and the crazy pushback it got. Even smart, analytical focused commentators avoid discussing it at almost all costs, and it gets sort of nodded at towards the end of a segment.
This thread was also highly resistant. Just saying. I've been beating this drum since 2011. The Mavs just kept it up through the finals.
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