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2023 NBA Regular Season Thread
I estimate that this new thread should have been posted 10-12 days ago, at least.
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Lugubrious Dort, right?
And then Siakam goes and misses 2/3.
DeMar DeRozan's daughter was doing a Mr. Whammy job on the Raptors at the line. Give her a playoff share if the Bulls beat the Heat.
Van Vleet 89.8% (3-6 at the line)
Anunoby 83.8% (3-8)
Siakam 77.4% (5-11)
Barnes 77.2% (4-7)
That seems almost mathematically impossible. Four 80ish% FT shooters go 15-32. Ouch.
One factor that caught attention.
EDIT: Dammit. Coked to smileyy.
B2B Play-in Champion. When PatBev said the next 5 years were his, he meant the next 5 years of the play-in.
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Remember when at the trade deadline, Masai wanted 3 firsts for OG Anunoby? 13 points on 13 shots, 3-8 from the FT line. Ain't going to be no 3 first round picks.
Smart players who play hard, it's very easy to see how they fit on a championship team, they're soooo young, have a high variance potential difference maker who hasn't played yet, a bunch of draft capital, a clean cap sheet.
The lack of experience is very obvious, but as that goes away and some of these guys hit even more (thanks to the law of large numbers), man, exciting time to be a Thunder fan.
Well this is delightful. And agreed, it has been a very fun slate of play in games so far.
Sonics
I probably used this format already, but if several other teams had the seasons that the Raptors and Heat just had there would be a loooooot of questions.
Heat season isn't over yet. And under the old format they would be a better-than-average 7th seed and not looked askance at all. As is, they won as many games as the Warriors, who are favored in their 1st round series, and just one fewer than the Suns, who are the trendy pick to beat anybody if Durant is healthy.
Raptors haven't been actually good for 3 years, they had a season that should have been exactly what was expected.
What I have read is that Poetl was re-acquired with the intent to keep him (maybe they can offer him more $$$ this way, maybe they wanted to take a test drive before committing 8 figures). I think they were pretty much stuck in play-in limbo by the time that went down, no matter how good or bad it turned out, so it only makes sense as a multi-year move.
Assuming that Nurse leaves/is fired this off season, who are the top coaches who will be available? (My guess for best coach available this off season is Nick Nurse)
They were the 1 seed last year, one shot from the Finals, and had a mostly healthy season from their key guys (most games from Butler in 4 years). Gonna strongly disagree with this.
(They are, unfortunately, still alive, so now watch them make a run after I prematurely celebrate their demise.)
Udoka is presumably on the list? Atkinson. I could easily see Lue or Doc becoming available if things don't go well.
East W E(W) Diff | West W E(W) DiffBOS 57 53.5 3.5 | PHO 45 52.5 -7.5
MIL 58 53.0 5.0 | LAC 44 52.5 -8.5
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Is Jason Kidd making it through this off-season?
I agree that Toronto blew the trade deadline this year, the Raptors were stuck in no man's land and needed to shake something up. Siakam is good, but not as good as the #1 player on on any of the East contenders. Van Vleet had a bad year, and he's the only guy besides Gary Trent that had any record of being able to shoot the 3. OG and Barnes are good rotation players, but neither noticeably improved.
Did OG sign an extension, I thought he was a pending FA, but BBREF shows him as under contract for another year. Trent and FVV have player options, but both have shown enough that they can probably seek multi-year deals.
Soon they'll fire Jason Kidd, so that'll be one in a row.
Probably time for a new thread? The hamsters don't like it when the threads get too long as I recall and the site seems to be struggling.
the miami dolphins have signed gave vincent to a multi-year contract to play strong safety.
No strings of Latin root adjective synonyms.
No mixing of long run on sentences with punchy jabs.
I rate this Stephen A parody a 3/10.
and yet it's not. WOOOO JAMES J BUCKETS
I've never been a fan of conspiracy theories.
I also numerous times sat within 10-12 feet from ref Tim Donaghy making either an absurd call, calling a needless technical foul (yeah, I literally could hear the damn conversation between player and ref) - or both. I was convinced he was just a bad ref and a red-ass when it came to any questioning by a player. that's all.
once I was only 8 hours from flying the next morning either to Sacramento or Los Angeles for the NBA Final - had both plane tix.
did I hope for LA? hell, yes. but not because "Lakers over Kings."
5 days in one of those cities? c'mon.
and I saw those relentlessly inept calls in the second half of that Game 7.
I remember the controversial (at best) calls against the Heat (of all teams) by Dick Bavetta more than 20 years ago. post-game, a furious Tim Hardaway in the locker room. and every time a reporter said the name, Hardaway would say, "His name is 'Knick' Bavetta - get it right."
and I saw that astounding call tonight that shifted the momentum toward the Heat and toward an extension of the series.
I'm still not a fan of conspiracy theories. but I also am a fan of not ignoring what's staring me in the face.
the onus is on the defending player to avoid contact with the offensive player.
by running through butler's airspace, gordon infringed on butler's ability to land safely, and that means he committed a foul...
unless you consider butler's kick to be a non-basketball motion, in which case the correct call would probably be that butler committed a flagrant foul by kicking gordon in the crotch.
i think either outcome (3 FTs for butler or a flagrant foul on him) is unduly harsh, but personally, i'd rather see that play called as a shooting foul on gordon than as a flagrant foul on butler.
this statement was not written by chatgpt. i guess that's a thing that needs to be said in this thread now. thanks for that.
I think historically in the NBA, the best team is very likely to win a series. Winning 4 in a row is hard. Even for the best teams. Even if you were 84% to win every single series, you would still be less than 50% to win it all. Even for bona fide superteams, who are a clear cut above, the Heatles lost 2 of their 4 years. The Warriors lost to the Cavs.
I am not applying this to the Nuggets, but I think what happens a lot of the time, is that there are a few genuine contenders, and if one of them wins, we default to saying they were the best team because they won. And it becomes an exercise in begging the question.
They got a bit lucky to not face Golden State or other bad matchups, but they beat who was on front of them convincingly.
I'm pretty comfortable with calling them the clear best team this year.
I specifically said I was making a general statement, and not applying what I said to the Nuggets. I have no issue calling them the best team, and I said their title was fully deserved. But I would strongly push back on the notion that the West is the superior conference right now, much less the "far" superior conference. The West is a mess right now. The Grizzlies are fun, but meh. The Kings are a neat story, but not actually very good. The Suns are less than the sum of their parts. The Clippers are too injury prone to be considered good. The Warriors are old, and well past their prime. The Lakers went on a nice run, but are a 2 man team, where 1 guy is ancient, and the other can't stay healthy. And they were awful for a large stretch of the year. The less said about the Wolves, the better... I mean other than the Nuggets, who else is there?
Denver: I don't know that they were the best team in some Platonic sense if you put them up against Milwaukee/Boston/Philadelphia over 82, but everything shipman said was right, and I said several years ago that I think the best team usually wins the title and if not the best team, then one of the top 3 or 4. That was the case again this year. Miami is the first time that there has really been a "Cinderella" in the NBA playoffs since maybe the 1999 Knicks. The other NBA Cinderella that I can think of is a team that is mostly forgotten--the 1976 Phoenix Suns.
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