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2023 NBA Regular Season Thread

I estimate that this new thread should have been posted 10-12 days ago, at least.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: January 09, 2023 at 11:55 AM | 1744 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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601. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 01:56 PM (#6116290)

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
The Warriors are trading James Wiseman to the Pistons for Saddiq Bey, source tells ESPN.

602. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 01:59 PM (#6116291)

Why is Denver trading Hyland? I don't get that at all.

Cheap owner of a team with a good chance of a championship this year. It's the deal that annoys me the most so far.

603. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 01:59 PM (#6116293)

Oh Bey is going to the Hawks? And the Warriors get five 2nd rounders, as is the going rate for things today.

604. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:00 PM (#6116294)

hyland cost 2 seconds (24, 26)

bey is going to atlanta in the wiseman deal, gs gets 5 seconds. wiseman is staying in det

605. aberg Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:01 PM (#6116295)

It sounded like there was tension between Bones and Murray. I'm sure that led to or accelerated the breakup.

606. aberg Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:01 PM (#6116296)

Dubs are just salary dumping Wiseman? I thought there would be SOME market for him.

607. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:02 PM (#6116297)

bones also doesn't guard anybody, fwiw

608. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:02 PM (#6116298)

Dubs are just salary dumping Wiseman? I thought there would be SOME market for him.

In fairness they're saving like 100 million in tax.

609. PJ Martinez Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:03 PM (#6116299)

My understanding was that Hyland was unhappy in Denver, wanted a bigger role? He definitely plays like a guy who wants twenty shots a night — or at least he's played that way in the games I've seen.

610. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:03 PM (#6116300)

Too much, too fast; I must be getting too old.

I'll make up my opinions later when this is all over and I wake up from a nap.

That KD trade is really fascinating though.

611. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:04 PM (#6116301)

In fairness they're saving like 100 million in tax.

Obviously I'm kidding 100 million isn't the real number.

They're actually saving $131 million (seriously).

612. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:08 PM (#6116302)

James Wiseman and Marvin Bagley frontcourt. Life is gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.

613. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:13 PM (#6116303)

Wiseman's problems have been on defense, right? He's looked okay as a roll man on the rare occasions he gets on the court. Maybe he can develop some chemistry with Cade and reboot his career.

Hyland is a hot-and-cold player, the kind of guy Bill Simmons would say could win you a playoff game (but could just as quickly shoot you out of one).

614. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:14 PM (#6116304)

Eric Gordon to the Clips.

615. PJ Martinez Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:15 PM (#6116305)

Sounds like there's a three-team Grizzlies-Clippers-Rockets deal with Wall, Gordon, and Kennard all moving.

616. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:16 PM (#6116306)

Magnificent. With Russell returning to LA and Dinwiddie returning to Brooklyn, it's like a time machine reset the league to the pre-COVID era.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania The Houston Rockets are acquiring John Wall in three-team deal with the Grizzlies and Clippers, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

617. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:17 PM (#6116307)

An interesting thing about famously good shooter Eric Gordon is he's not really a very good shooter?

618. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:18 PM (#6116308)

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42
Gordon has a $20.9M non-guaranteed contract for next season.

The contract becomes fully guaranteed if the Clippers win the NBA championship this season.

I'm now cheering for the Clippers to win the title because this would be hilarious.

619. PJ Martinez Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:20 PM (#6116309)

Shams says Warriors are trying to get Anunoby?

620. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:20 PM (#6116310)

The Lakers are very busy. Mo Bamba coming in for Pat Bev. (For a second I conflated the two LA teams.)

621. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:21 PM (#6116311)

So the Clippers are sending out Kennard (to Memphis) in the Gordon deal. I would 100% rather have Kennard on the court this year- he's got another guaranteed year, though, so I guess I understand this.

622. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:22 PM (#6116312)

Shams just called Mo Bamba "a major get." Ha.

623. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:24 PM (#6116313)

He is a large man.

624. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:26 PM (#6116314)

Jesus it's all going nuts.

625. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:26 PM (#6116315)

Steph Noh @StephNoh
This is the most insane trade deadline in NBA history and somehow John Collins still hasn't been moved.

626. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:29 PM (#6116317)

Surely Toronto and Brooklyn are going to do more in the next 30 minutes.

627. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:46 PM (#6116318)

On a podcast they were talking about how they expected a quiet deadline. Heh.

628. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:50 PM (#6116320)

Was the podcast by Bulls fans? If so, accurate.

629. sardonic Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:50 PM (#6116321)

Dumping Wiseman was the only move -- if they weren't willing to spend $131M (over this year and next) on the owner's favorite bet, they definitely weren't going to for a marginal upgrade. Their potential playoff rotation is actually not looking bad if they can get healthy now that Klay seems back. Curry-Klay-Wiggins-Dray-Looney, Poole, Divincenzo, Kuminga and JaMychael Green is not a bad 9 man rotation talent wise.

Now granted this set of players just hasn't really gelled at all this year -- as good as Otto Porter Jr., Gary Payton III and Bjelica worked out last year, this year is like the opposite of that where things have worked out as badly as possible.

But on paper is adding Bey to that rotation worth $131M?

Now OG is another story. I'd love if the Lakers <> Utah <> Minny trade has reset the market for vets to the point where the Warriors could add him somehow.

630. Fourth True Outcome Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:52 PM (#6116322)

Ten more minutes, what fresh chaos is yet to come?

631. sardonic Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:53 PM (#6116323)

Woj-bomb:

The Blazers are trading Gary Payton II to the Warriors for five second round picks, sources tell ESPN.

632. sardonic Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:54 PM (#6116324)

Warriors essentially reversed part of their offseason by swapping Wiseman for GPII. Lacob's pockets ain't scurrred!

633. sardonic Posted: February 09, 2023 at 02:58 PM (#6116325)

GPII will cost $8.7M this year, Wiseman was $9.6M, so pretty marginal savings even with the progressive repeater tax. Ty Jerome was the weakest part of the Warriors rotation while Curry is out, so could swing an extra win or two the rest of the season. Probably means Kuminga is relegated to the deep bench when Curry comes back.

634. DCA Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:02 PM (#6116326)

GSW could have had Payton for the same contract in the offseason, and still had the 5 extra picks to trade for someone else to slot into the Wiseman salary slot. So not quite a reversal.

635. PJ Martinez Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:04 PM (#6116327)

Surely Toronto and Brooklyn are going to do more in the next 30 minutes.

Seems like maybe the Poeltl trade was a sign that the Raptors are going to try to make things work with this roster, at least for the rest of this season? Barring some late-breaking news, of course.

636. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:05 PM (#6116328)

I'm gonna need a flowchart and a spreadsheet to understand this deadline.

Best deadline ever? I think so.

637. Mike A Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:07 PM (#6116330)

At this point, I expect John Collins to be a Hawk lifer like Bob Pettit and Cliff Hagan.

638. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:08 PM (#6116331)

Only 2 teams didn't make a trade (I think that counts more than just the last couple of days), Cavs and Bulls.

The Bulls are ####### pathetic. Bulls also sat out last year's deadline and last year's off-season (save for the minimum contracts for Drummond and Dragic, and last year's Tristan Thompson failure).

639. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:12 PM (#6116333)

Second round picks having a moment today.

The Pat Bev for Mo Bamba trade is the most inexplicable transaction.

640. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:15 PM (#6116334)

(looks at the last hour)
huh

641. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:15 PM (#6116335)

Feels like Memphis should be poking around at OG and Mikael Bridges and see who will take less.

642. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:18 PM (#6116336)

i thought that's what they'd be doing!

643. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:29 PM (#6116337)

Clippers Summary:

Out: John Wall, Luke Kennard, Reggie Jackson
In: Eric Gordon, Mason Plumlee, Bones Hyland

Gordon apparently still exists. Kennard is useful, but Plumlee is a nice backup big, and Bones is probably an upgrade on Wall and Jackson. Overall this doesn't make a significant difference in the team's outlook.

644. jmurph Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:35 PM (#6116338)

Totally confused by Miami doing nothing, Toronto doing nothing much, and Brooklyn doing very little (today, post-Durant).

And the Bulls, but Moses already covered that.

645. Athletic Supporter's restaurant with Ted Danson Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:39 PM (#6116339)

I am fascinated by the process that has converged on "five second round picks" as a universal price.

646. DCA Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:53 PM (#6116341)

I'm seeing everyone confused why the Nets didn't do anything else. But I'm not - they still have a lot of good players, are a near-lock for a top 6 record in a year without a dominant team, and they have almost everyone for next season (so they can see how the pieces fit in the last 1/3 of the season and go from there).

I suppose they could use a better backup C, and Curry is the exception for "guys who will be around next season" but maybe the offers weren't worth as much as Curry's value to the Nets over the rest of the season.

647. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 03:57 PM (#6116343)

The Bulls are a mirror image of the White Sox, each showing less life than their 87-year-old owner.

648. sardonic Posted: February 09, 2023 at 04:13 PM (#6116345)

GSW could have had Payton for the same contract in the offseason, and still had the 5 extra picks to trade for someone else to slot into the Wiseman salary slot. So not quite a reversal.

True, but if we're playing out this hypothetical more they definitely don't sign Donte DiVincenzo in the offseason with GPII still around, so maybe then today they'd be trading 5 second round picks for him.

649. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: February 09, 2023 at 06:47 PM (#6116358)

I really don’t get the lack of action by Toronto. The team is treading water, they have too many wings, and only added an average C who isn’t signed beyond this season. Siakam is good, but he’ll be fighting an uphill battle against any other East contender’s best player.

650. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: February 09, 2023 at 07:00 PM (#6116359)

I really don’t get the lack of action by Toronto. The team is treading water, they have too many wings, and only added an average C who isn’t signed beyond this season. Siakam is good, but he’ll be fighting an uphill battle against any other East contender’s best player.

they got better, because BRK got worse.

no team from the east got significantly better (and one of the main contenders got significantly worse), so none of the other teams felt any pressure to make the kind of panic moves they might have otherwise felt obligated to.

651. Moeball Posted: February 09, 2023 at 07:33 PM (#6116363)

Did I read this correctly that GS got 5 SRP from Atlanta as part of the Wiseman trade and then turned around and sent 5 SRP to get GPII? This whole thing is very weird.

I can see why the W's wanted to make a deal with the Pistons though. I mean they can't beat Detroit this year if their lives depended on it so maybe they thought they could get some of that Pistons magic to rub off?

Looks like Celtics and Bucks may get slight rotation upgrades so I guess they played it reasonably safe but smart. I don't remember - did Philly make any moves? I still think Boston and Milwaukee are at the top of the food chain and expect the title will end up in one of those two places, even with all the westerly winds blowing.

652. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 07:45 PM (#6116364)

Some truly terrible offensive sets in the first TNT game. The Nets have the excuse of never playing together. The Bulls have the continuity the organization prizes and still can't produce decent looks.

653. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 09, 2023 at 07:55 PM (#6116365)

no team from the east got significantly better (and one of the main contenders got significantly worse), so none of the other teams felt any pressure to make the kind of panic moves they might have otherwise felt obligated to.

I agree that probably was their logic, but it's flawed to me. The East is pretty open, and any number of teams could have significantly improved their odds but all chose not to do that.

Otoh, if Crowder gets back into shape quickly, that will end up be the biggest or most significant addition in the East. Middleton being healthy is more important, but if they go into the playoffs healthy I think they're the best in the East.

The buyout market will have some decent role players, like Beverly and Reggie Jackson, but no difference makers (like usual).

654. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 08:49 PM (#6116366)

The Bulls are playing like they are angry the front office didn't break the team up.

655. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 09, 2023 at 09:26 PM (#6116367)

I feel like Crowder and PJ Tucker just sort of follow each other around.

656. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: February 09, 2023 at 09:45 PM (#6116369)

Philly did move Thybulle and got back Jalen McDaniels. I can’t confirm or deny whether or not Jaden McDaniels was involved (actually, I just looked it up and they are brothers, with the following career lines:

Jalen: 7.9, 3.9, 1.4
Jaden: 9.0, 3.9, 1.4

657. asinwreck Posted: February 09, 2023 at 09:48 PM (#6116370)

The dismantled, shorthanded Nets thoroughly embarrassed the Bulls tonight. Well, the Bulls' sluggish start, stupid turnovers, and poor perimeter shooting embarrassed the Bulls. (Yet again.)

658. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 09, 2023 at 10:14 PM (#6116371)

Bulls were -36 on 3s, so some is variance. But giving up 37 in the 4th isn't, but like you said, there were known problems going into the season and the FO thinks the roster is fine and just needs 'continuity'. Pathetic.

659. Athletic Supporter's restaurant with Ted Danson Posted: February 09, 2023 at 10:31 PM (#6116373)

I'm very curious how the Nets end up. Has a team as good as 33-22 ever traded away its two best players? I imagine not. And I mean they got a lot of depth back, they're not giving away minutes to replacement level players, this isn't some corpse team. Could be very frisky.

660. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: February 09, 2023 at 10:47 PM (#6116374)

The Bulls held Cam Thomas to 20 points, that’s grade-A defense right there

661. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: February 09, 2023 at 11:00 PM (#6116375)

The Bulls held Cam Thomas to 20 points, that’s grade-A defense right there

i can only imagine what they'll get for caruso at the deadline.

I feel like Crowder and PJ Tucker just sort of follow each other around.

any teams that value one of them would almost certainly value the other.

662. Russlan is not Russian Posted: February 10, 2023 at 12:42 AM (#6116377)

The Lakers play decently well but lose to the Bucks with LBJ. They lost despite the fact the Bucks shot 25.5% from 3.

Between Davis being injured and getting back into game shape, there are that many games in which he is at his best. The box shot 33 of 52 from two-point range. He did not play especially well on offense and wasn't that impactful on defense.

I like the moves the Lakers made but even the play-in game is looking rather unlikely at this point. It was stupid not to trade Westbrook in the off-season.

663. Moeball Posted: February 10, 2023 at 01:29 AM (#6116378)

#654 I had heard all sorts of rumors that Caruso would get moved but it doesn't look like that's happening. I know there are several contending teams drooling at the chance to get him but I have no idea who the front runner would be.

664. Hombre Brotani

Posted: February 10, 2023 at 03:44 AM (#6116379)

I like the moves the Lakers made but even the play-in game is looking rather unlikely at this point. It was stupid not to trade Westbrook in the off-season.

The season is short, and getting shorter. This is the best I've felt about the Lakers in two years, but it could still all come to naught this season.

665. jmurph Posted: February 10, 2023 at 07:43 AM (#6116383)

any teams that value one of them would almost certainly value the other.

I imagine the Bucks are expecting slightly more out of Crowder than the 3.4 points per game Tucker is currently putting up.

666. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 10, 2023 at 08:16 AM (#6116388)

The buyout market will have some decent role players, like Beverly and Reggie Jackson, but no difference makers (like usual).

Espn radio was assuming Westbrook would be bought out. Take that (and him) for what it's worth. They were speculating on whether Chicago would try to sign him if he was.

667. spivey Posted: February 10, 2023 at 08:52 AM (#6116390)

Pat Bev would be much better than your normal non-big buyout guy, I feel.

Also, why did the Lakers deal him for Bamba? Was that one in a series of moves that was actually needed, or do they think Bamba is a more valuable asset? I think almost any team could use Beverley. I think Minnesota, Denver, Phoenix (if Paul is cool with it), Dallas, Pels. Basically every team in the West.

668. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:37 AM (#6116392)

Twolves Reddit (the saddest two words in the English language?) seems to think that a Pat Bev return to Minnesota is in the cards.

669. DCA Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:38 AM (#6116393)

Bamba fits the mold of the guy who is good enough to play the 5 alongside AD for regular-season bulk (as AD prefers) or solo (for his frequent absences) but not so good that he can't be benched in crunch time for a more optimal AD + 4 small/wings lineup. He can shoot so he doesn't kill the spacing, and he's signed for next year at a reasonable price.

I think PatBev is the only guy who could be traded for him, Walker + a minimum guy would also work, but the Lakers have quietly pivoted to LeBron + AD + a bunch of 24 year olds so I can see preferring youth to going all-in for this year's likely lost cause.

670. DCA Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:47 AM (#6116394)

Also it's wild to me that LeBron has been in LA longer than with the Heatles or the Cavs reunion tour. With the Lakers being mediocre most of that time instead of making the finals every year, it's just sort of off the radar.

671. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:53 AM (#6116395)

Twolves Reddit (the saddest two words in the English language?) seems to think that a Pat Bev return to Minnesota is in the cards.

I guess, but right now they have a ton of guards and with his drop in play I am not sure how much he has to offer. I am not against it, just not excited either. Maybe I am underestimating what he has left and the intangibles and it is not like cutting Nate Knight to make room for him is the end of the world or anything.

672. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:55 AM (#6116396)

I guess, but right now they have a ton of guards and with his drop in play I am not sure how much he has to offer. I am not against it, just not excited either. Maybe I am underestimating what he has left and the intangibles and it is not like cutting Nate Knight to make room for him is the end of the world or anything.

I don't think he'd add that much; I'd say Conley insurance but it's not like Bev is an ironman himself. Meh. Let's see what this construction of the team can do.

673. asinwreck Posted: February 10, 2023 at 10:03 AM (#6116397)

How sad is it that one day after the deadline I am hoping the Bulls pick up John Wall?

674. jmurph Posted: February 10, 2023 at 10:19 AM (#6116399)

I'm listening to Zach Lowe's latest and he says the Nets were offered 4 firsts for Bridges, then dialed it back to say the 4th might have had some protections on it. So let's say at least 3 firsts.

675. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: February 10, 2023 at 10:28 AM (#6116401)

How sad is it that one day after the deadline I am hoping the Bulls pick up John Wall?

it brought a smile to my face, if that makes you feel better.

676. DCA Posted: February 10, 2023 at 01:20 PM (#6116417)

I'm listening to Zach Lowe's latest and he says the Nets were offered 4 firsts for Bridges, then dialed it back to say the 4th might have had some protections on it. So let's say at least 3 firsts.

I like Bridges, and the Nets have more incentive than most teams to be competitive, but I think you have to take 4 firsts for him, no?

OTOH, that deal or something close should still be available in the offseason, so I guess there's not a huge risk to waiting.

677. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 10, 2023 at 03:14 PM (#6116436)

OTOH, that deal or something close should still be available in the offseason, so I guess there's not a huge risk to waiting.

So this is definitely the common view.

I will say that the results of the trade deadline vs. the offseason does make me question that. I feel like every player got more in trade than they would have received in the offseason. Maybe this deadline is an exception, but I am at least curious about whether this could be a new normal.

678. jmurph Posted: February 10, 2023 at 03:39 PM (#6116437)

I will say that the results of the trade deadline vs. the offseason does make me question that. I feel like every player got more in trade than they would have received in the offseason. Maybe this deadline is an exception, but I am at least curious about whether this could be a new normal.

I think I'm with you here. Assuming it's expirings/the picks for Bridges, I'm not sure that's the kind of deal that happens in the summer.

For Brooklyn, I can imagine them thinking Bridges + picks/other pieces might be a pretty good way to pry a star loose this summer, so I kind of get turning this deal down now.

679. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: February 10, 2023 at 03:46 PM (#6116438)

Pinnacle Title Odds - Today, and on 2/2 when I decided to look/write it down pre-trade deadline

+351 Celtics (was +365)
+491 Suns (was +1856)
+542 Bucks (was +773)
+752 Nuggets (was +683)
+1003 Clippers (was +1253)
+1003 Sixers (was +1379)
+1605 Warriors (was +946)
+1605 Grizzlies (was +1003)
+1856 Mavericks (was +3110)
+2107 Cavaliers (was +2008)
+3510 Pelicans (was +2207)
+3811 Heat (was +4004)
+4909 Lakers (was +4014)
+6017 Suns (was +5156)

Suns the obvious big mover.

680. jmurph Posted: February 10, 2023 at 03:49 PM (#6116439)

Fascinating article about the Durant deal in which I imagine all the main characters think they come out looking great but I, uhhh, disagree.

681. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 10, 2023 at 04:26 PM (#6116442)

+491 Suns (was +1856)
...
+6017 Suns (was +5156)

I would simply place the bet with better odds.

682. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: February 10, 2023 at 04:28 PM (#6116443)

Christ so many typos. Glad you all notice them for me.

683. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: February 10, 2023 at 04:58 PM (#6116446)

it brought a smile to my face, if that makes you feel better.

NBACentral @TheNBACentral ·22m

"I think one team you got to watch and I think will be a frontrunner are the Chicago Bulls."

- @wojespn on Russell Westbrook (h/t @RealGM )

And now I'm imagining you're laughing even harder than I'm crying. Just what a shooting deprived team like the Bulls needs, the worst shooter in the NBA (I'm intentionally ignoring Dillon Brooks, just like everyone should).

684. asinwreck Posted: February 10, 2023 at 05:04 PM (#6116448)

I don't understand the Russ rumor from Russ's point of view. (A bad shooter who needs touches will be a thrillingly hilarious combination with the current roster, so there's that.) Is he really that enamored with Billy Donovan to choose the Bulls over the Clippers? LA could actually win a playoff series and he wouldn't have to move house.

685. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 10, 2023 at 05:54 PM (#6116449)

Russ would maybe start on the Bulls and not on the Clippers. Russ loves to start.

686. Der-K's enjoying the new boygenius album. Posted: February 10, 2023 at 07:16 PM (#6116453)

per shams - gary payton ii failed his physical, could be out for up to 3 months. gsw/por/det/atl trade at risk

687. PJ Martinez Posted: February 10, 2023 at 07:31 PM (#6116457)

Seems like it's in GSW's interest to let the trade go through anyway? They want Wiseman off their books, and Payton could be back for the playoffs (given that he was on the team last year, integrating him should be easier than it would be with a new player), plus they got a couple of draft picks.

688. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 10, 2023 at 07:32 PM (#6116458)

A tidbit from the Ramona/Windhorst piece:

The Nets initially asked for less than they ultimately got – essentially the final package minus Jae Crowder. The teams haggled over that asking price. Then, Brooklyn asked for Crowder too, and Phoenix said no. With the deal seemingly off, new Suns owner Mat Ishbia went out to dinner to celebrate his purchase of the team but kept repeating at the table, "It's so rare to get a chance at trading for a top-five player." Ishbia then agreed to include Crowder, completing the trade.

***

Seems like it's in GSW's interest to let the trade go through anyway? They want Wiseman off their books, and Payton could be back for the playoffs (given that he was on the team last year, integrating him should be easier than it would be with a new player), plus they got a couple of draft picks.

Could they just keep the Wiseman for Bey part and unwind the GPII part? Realistically, Wiseman for Bey accomplishes almost the same amount.

689. SteveF Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:18 PM (#6116467)

Could they just keep the Wiseman for Bey part and unwind the GPII part? Realistically, Wiseman for Bey accomplishes almost the same amount.

No, at least according to Kendra Andrews. "The Warriors have until Saturday to go through with the deal or rescind the entire trade. No amendments to the deal can be made due to the passing of the trade deadline."

690. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:29 PM (#6116468)

There may be some kind of special case or exception pursued by the league.

It is being widely reported that Portland knew about the injury, pressured GPII to play through pain and did not disclose this to the other trade partners.

691. TFTIO was writing C programs in the '90s Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:30 PM (#6116469)

Ja Morant has the nutsy ups, so to speak.

692. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: February 10, 2023 at 09:57 PM (#6116473)

It is being widely reported that Portland knew about the injury, pressured GPII to play through pain and did not disclose this to the other trade partners.

the blazers doing something slimy as ####? that's unpossible.

693. Mike A Posted: February 10, 2023 at 10:11 PM (#6116475)

Atlanta just flew Bey in and introduced him today. Gonna be (H)awkward if Saddiq has to head back to Detroit.

Not too happy with the Blazers and Suns at the moment (Phoenix for allegedly reneging on a John Collins deal).

694. DCA Posted: February 10, 2023 at 11:37 PM (#6116476)

There may be some kind of special case or exception pursued by the league.

It seems pretty easy to separate the Portland/GSW part of the deal (it was all folded together since that was the only way the Warriors could take on Payton's salary) but the whole thing works without it.

Wiseman to DET
Bey to ATL
Knox + picks to GSW

I think it would be unfair to the Hawks to also rewind the Bey for picks piece of the deal, leaving only a 2-way DET/GSW deal, since that part doesn't depend on Payton at all.

The other possibility would be to penalize the Blazers, if it is found that they failed to disclose (e.g. returning some or all of the picks to GSW).

695. smileyy Posted: February 11, 2023 at 01:52 PM (#6116510)

So Paul George is advocating for the Clippers to pick up Westbrick in the buyout market. As a not-fan of the Clippers, I support this move.

696. sardonic Posted: February 11, 2023 at 03:54 PM (#6116531)

The problem is that the Warriors are on the hook for 10s of millions of extra luxury tax, which they were willing to part with for GPII but possibly not for Bey and certainly not for Knox or Wiseman. My guess is that if they couldn't have a healthy GPII they'd rather just bank the savings in luxury tax.

697. SamHaggertyFan Posted: February 11, 2023 at 07:41 PM (#6116564)

Just unwinding the Portland part of the deal is not an option. It's either the trade happens as called in to the league or nothing.

698. PJ Martinez Posted: February 12, 2023 at 12:05 PM (#6116598)

The NBA has received a complaint from the Golden State Warriors against the Portland Trail Blazers and the league has launched a review of potential misleading by the Blazers regarding Gary Payton II's status, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

Does this mean the Warriors will allow the trade to go through but demand draft compensation? That would make sense to me as the move here.

699. tshipman (The Viscount of Variance)

Posted: February 12, 2023 at 01:26 PM (#6116612)

Does this mean the Warriors will allow the trade to go through but demand draft compensation? That would make sense to me as the move here.

This is what it looks like. I'm not an expert, but it wouldn't really make sense for GSW to receive compensation. I would expect that Portland has picks revoked, but I wouldn't expect them to go tot he Warriors.

700. asinwreck Posted: February 12, 2023 at 03:51 PM (#6116644)

The Nuggets are signing Reggie Jackson, so their roster makes more sense after they traded Hyland.

Zion is out for several more weeks after aggravating his hamstring strain.

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