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Tuesday, August 27, 2019

50 years from miracle season, resurgent Mets eye magic run

NEW YORK (AP) — Two months ago, as the New York Mets commemorated the 50th anniversary of a most improbable World Series title, 74-year-old alum Ed Kranepool stood at a Citi Field lectern and tried to encourage a languishing team.

“They can do it like we did. You gotta believe in yourself!” Kranepool said that afternoon, addressing both the cheering crowd and current Mets players clapping in the dugout. “So good luck. You have a half a season. We want to wish you the best so that we can celebrate in October.”

It was a noble sentiment, even if that optimism felt farfetched with New York nine games under .500.

And then the next night the maligned club publicly apologized on the scoreboard to two living members of the 1969 Miracle Mets who were mistakenly included in a video montage of players from that team who had died.

“Of course, having a fluke season from Cleon Jones couldn’t hurt”.....

 

QLE Posted: August 27, 2019 at 06:04 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: August 27, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5874724)
I take full responsibility for the three losses last weekend. Friday night, during the game, I told my daughter that we could go to the WC game if it was Queens.
   2. Bote Man Posted: August 27, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5874740)
Would this be a good time for the self-immolation thread???
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: August 27, 2019 at 11:29 AM (#5874745)
I remember watching that Kranepool speech and thinking, "Dude, you are so delusional."

not my proudest moment, although they still need to make hay this week.
   4. SandyRiver Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5874757)
IIRC, the Miracle Mets finished the regular season with a run of something like 38-9 (one of the losses a no-hitter by Bob Moose) and at one point the Mets staff had a streak of 200+ innings without allowing a home run. Doubt we'll see that again.
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5874765)
“Of course, having a fluke season from Cleon Jones couldn’t hurt”.....

 


It was a little freaky, but his OPS+ that year was 151. In 1968 it was 137, and in 1971, 144. So yes, it stood out, but not by that much.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5874766)
IIRC, the Miracle Mets finished the regular season with a run of something like 38-9 (one of the losses a no-hitter by Bob Moose)

very close--37-11 from August 16th on
   7. SandyRiver Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5874773)
It was a little freaky, but his OPS+ that year was 151. In 1968 it was 137, and in 1971, 144. So yes, it stood out, but not by that much.

Cleon was that rarity - throws left, bats right. His explanation was that the sandlot field where he played growing up had a short fence in RF backed by a grouchy neighbor who would keep anything reaching his yard, thus ending the game - maybe for a while, as baseballs were hard to come by in that less-than-prosperous neighborhood. Thus Jones turned around so they could keep playing. (I've no idea of the veracity of the story, but it sounds good.)
   8. Itchy Row Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5874781)
Cleon is probably the second-best BR/TL player born in the last 100 years.
   9. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5874782)
Cleon is probably the second-best BR/TL player born in the last 100 years.

BRef show that there have only been 22 players (non-pitchers) with >500 PAs who TL/BR.

top by OPS+

1 Rickey Henderson 127
2 Hal Chase 112
3 Jimmy Ryan 111
4 Cleon Jones 110
5 Rube Bressler 110
6 Ryan Ludwick 109
7 Mark Carreon 108

I'm embarrassed to admit that I had NO idea that Chase was TL/BR
   10. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: August 27, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5874784)
I'm embarrassed to admit that I had NO idea that Chase was TL/BR


I picked up a Chase biography a couple of months ago but haven't read it. It'll be interesting to see if any background is provided for that.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: August 27, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5874786)
I know this is cheating, but Randy Johnson was a pretty good BR/TL player!
   12. Itchy Row Posted: August 27, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5874788)
Now that I've reviewed their records, I agree that Randy Johnson was better than Cleon Jones. I know that's controversial. Carl Hubbell and Sandy Koufax may have been better than Cleon too.
   13. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: August 27, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5874794)
Hell, Cleon might not have been the best TL/BR guy on the '69 Mets -- Tug McGraw beats him in both career WAR and WAA.

The small BR/TL list inevitably includes two guys (Dave McCarty and Jason Lane) who tried their hand at becoming LOOGYs as their hitting careers fizzled.
   14. SandyRiver Posted: August 27, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5874804)
Another oddity (to me, anyway) about the '69 Mets is that they had more pitchers with qualifying IP (Seaver, Koosman, Gentry) than batters with qualifying PA (Agee and Jones.)
   15. Itchy Row Posted: August 27, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5874819)
The '69 Mets and the 2012 Giants are the only World Series winners with only two qualifying hitters. Those Giants had five qualifying pitchers.
   16. Howie Menckel Posted: August 27, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5874825)
LF Cleon Jones grew up in Mobile, AL and "met" CF Tommie Agee in junior high. they were born 5 days apart.

Amos Otis - who also played on the 1969 Mets, albeit more sparingly - is from there, too, among many others.

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