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63 Years Later, a Confession in a Legendary Yankees Scandal

Joey Silvestri didn’t see all those Yankees file into the Copacabana that night. There were six of them, including Mickey Mantle, Yogi Berra, Whitey Ford, and Hank Bauer, plus their wives, all out celebrating Billy Martin’s 29th birthday. It was their third stop of the evening, and they were already well on their way to sloshed. ...

ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 21, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5958556)
For those who don't RTFA, the bottom line is that Silvestri was the one who cold-cocked the racist Deli owner, but since he was off duty that night and keeping out of sight, he didn't speak up when Bauer and Martin got blamed for the incident, an incident that ended Martin's career as a Yankee player.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 21, 2020 at 02:33 PM (#5958561)
For those who don't RTFA, the bottom line is that Silvestri was the one who cold-cocked the racist Deli owner, but since he was off duty that night and keeping out of sight, he didn't speak up when Bauer and Martin got blamed for the incident, an incident that ended Martin's career as a Yankee player.

And Bauer and Martin were sticking up for Sammy Davis Jr. when some yahoos started yelling racist slurs.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: June 21, 2020 at 04:23 PM (#5958586)
a long since retired colleague of mine once told me that he and the other NY Giants beat writers (they used to ride on the team plane) went out to a Dallas nightclub the night before a Giants-Cowboys game in the early 1960s.

they see a bunch of Giants there, and one comes up and says, "You didn't see any of us."

my ex-colleague: "I have no idea what you mean. We don't see anybody."

different era.

nightclub was owned by a fella named Jack Ruby. I wonder whatever happened to him......

meanwhile, TFA is a good read!

lamest kicker ever, though
   4. asinwreck Posted: June 21, 2020 at 04:38 PM (#5958590)

lamest kicker ever, though

Sure, but the Grimaldi's story in the introduction is better context for what happened in the guy's life afterwards.
   5. weiss-man Posted: June 21, 2020 at 05:03 PM (#5958594)
Most sources I've read said that it was one of the Copa bouncers who threw the only punches. Just didn't have his name before now.
   6. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 21, 2020 at 05:10 PM (#5958595)
Most sources I've read said that it was one of the Copa bouncers who threw the only punches. Just didn't have his name before now.


Rico Petrocelli went a bit too far?
   7. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 21, 2020 at 05:27 PM (#5958597)

lamest kicker ever, though


I disagree.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: June 21, 2020 at 06:42 PM (#5958604)
Some kind of story where this is an irrelevant detail: "So Joey slipped in through the service entrance and took a seat alongside Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier..."
   9. Rough Carrigan Posted: June 21, 2020 at 09:32 PM (#5958613)
Am I the only one who started reading thinking that the confession was by one time yankee backup catcher Charlie Silvestri?
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 21, 2020 at 09:53 PM (#5958615)
Am I the only one who started reading thinking that the confession was by one time yankee backup catcher Charlie Silvestri?
Probably. Charlie Silvera - count the rings!
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 21, 2020 at 09:58 PM (#5958617)
Well, anyone who thought Charlie Silvera's name was Charlie Silvestri might've made the same mistake. (EDIT: coke to Clapper)

Fun fact: Charlie Silvera had more rings than Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Carl Yastrzemski, Robin Yount, Cal Ripken, Don Mattingly and Greg Maddux put together.
   12. catomi01 Posted: June 21, 2020 at 10:01 PM (#5958618)
Am I the only one who started reading thinking that the confession was by one time yankee backup catcher Charlie Silvestri?


My mind went to Dave Silvestre and the 40ish games he played for the Yankees in the early nineties. I remember him mainly because I remember have a disproportionate number of Baseball Cards featuring him for some reason.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: June 22, 2020 at 09:54 AM (#5958653)
they see a bunch of Giants there, and one comes up and says, "You didn't see any of us."

my ex-colleague: "I have no idea what you mean. We don't see anybody."

different era.


Howie, I'd be curious to hear your professional opinion on the change. Better or worse now? How much should the media care about the personal lives of the players?
   14. Stevey Posted: June 22, 2020 at 10:07 AM (#5958655)

different era.


Maybe, but do you think that fairly-to-incredibly wealthy, fit, 20-something men aren't still going and getting into a bit more fun than they should? And it's not just reporters who might see them, but everyone has a smartphone and an instagram/snapchat/twitter account. We aren't suddenly getting a never-ending stream of stories about some athlete getting a bit too drunk. I won't claim knowledge of what Mickey Mantle was up to at the Copacabana, but I've seen, on more than one occasion, a couple former members of the local nine and their charming dates for the evening look like they wouldn't be able to find the front door of the establishment the night before a game (a nightgame to be fair). No one gave a crap.
   15. The Good Face Posted: June 22, 2020 at 10:23 AM (#5958660)
Maybe, but do you think that fairly-to-incredibly wealthy, fit, 20-something men aren't still going and getting into a bit more fun than they should? And it's not just reporters who might see them, but everyone has a smartphone and an instagram/snapchat/twitter account. We aren't suddenly getting a never-ending stream of stories about some athlete getting a bit too drunk.


It still happens, but it's less common now than it used to be. Athletes take their health and conditioning way more seriously nowadays than they did in the days of yore, and they're aware that unless they're ensconced in a private VIP area somebody is going to wind up filming them. Plus with dating apps, athletes who are looking to fool around on the road can essentially just have women (or dudes, or whatever they're into) deliver themselves to their hotel suite.

   16. Rally Posted: June 22, 2020 at 11:07 AM (#5958675)
Fun fact: Charlie Silvera had more rings than Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Carl Yastrzemski, Robin Yount, Cal Ripken, Don Mattingly and Greg Maddux put together.


I would have guessed Mathewson had more than one, thinking that in addition to his legendary 1905 performance (3 CG shutouts in a 5 game series) he picked up another 2 or 3. McGraw's Giants were always contending. But that was his only ring.
   17. Zach Posted: June 22, 2020 at 05:19 PM (#5958805)
It's an interesting story.

Given what we know about Mantle and Martin, though, I have to think that Martin was going to get ridden out of town soon anyway.
   18. Zach Posted: June 22, 2020 at 05:30 PM (#5958812)
I mean, there are bad influences. Then there are bad influences on a star like Mickey Mantle. Then there are bad influences like Billy Martin on a star like Mickey Mantle. Then there are bad influences like Billy Martin on a star like Mickey Mantle who is showing the early stages of being a raging alcoholic.
   19. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2020 at 07:50 PM (#5958843)
Howie, I'd be curious to hear your professional opinion on the change. Better or worse now? How much should the media care about the personal lives of the players?


well, at this point we do seem to have veered from one end of the spectrum to the other, haven't we?

to 15's point, athletes' lives changed dramatically in the 1990s.

in the early part of the decade, many athletes were still on commercial flights, they stayed in Hiltons and Marriotts (writers stayed in the same hotels, generally), and if you stopped by postgame at the nearest Houlihan's, Chili's, or Applebee's to an NBA arena, you might see several players from each team tipping back a few. same for all sports, really.

by the end of the decade, it was all about private jets, Four Seasons hotels, entourages and bodyguards, and indeed private parties with choosy bouncers. and indeed the bulk of athletes now treat their bodies like a fancy car that needs proper management.

and this all started changing even before the internet - which only later reinforced the separation from athletes to the average Joe.

for me, I'd take into account who the "players" were among athletes on the road and who had clean reputations - it was not hard to find out, and sometimes witness in before "the change."

if a guy was married with four kids and I see him dry-humping a flight attendant in the elevator, I'm not gonna pick him for a Father's Day feature.

as for the "angels," the fact was "has a reputation of being devoted to his family." that's a fact.

"devoted to his family" - seems like it, but look at Puckett from another thread. who knows for sure?

about 7 or 8 years ago, I came across a lawsuit about a prominent figure in the sports world.

married with kids, had a mistress. she gets knocked up. he swears on a stack of Bibles that if she just has abortion - which she very much opposed - they could stay together and they'd even go on a nice vacation.

yeah, we all where this story is going. so she sues him for breaking his promise by dumping her soon after the abortion.

I knew the accused well enough to find her story very credible. if I had to bet, it would be that it is true.

this would have been tasty clickbait - "sharable," as it were, on social media.

but iirc she didn't have any evidence to try to prove the story.

the accused was slimy enough that I wouldn't have felt that had if it had gotten out elsewhere - he probably had it coming.

but we decided it was too much "he said, she said" so we never ran anything.

I was going to say it would have been another one to ponder if she had won the case.

quick detour.... I had not recalled that several outlets wrote about it when she lost the case.

so the headlines were about the guy getting the case dismissed.

   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 22, 2020 at 07:54 PM (#5958845)
if you stopped by postgame at the nearest Houlihan's, Chili's, or Applebee's to an NBA arena, you might see several players from each team
Pro athletes didn't have taste buds before the 1990s? Huh. I never knew that. Strange how evolution works.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: June 22, 2020 at 08:56 PM (#5958863)
all about convenience for them BITD and some of them didn't even make a million bucks a year

plus the local ladyfolk met the target

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