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Albert Pujols predicts he’ll be everyday player at age 39

TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) — Albert Pujols has a bold if unrealistic prediction for his 2019 season.

“I’m expecting to play 162 games,” the Los Angeles Angels first baseman said Sunday. “One hundred ninety games I’m going to play this year, including spring training.”

A month past his 39th birthday, Pujols is an 18-year big league veteran, 10-time All-Star and three-time MVP.

I haven’t the heart to tell him- do you?

 

QLE Posted: February 18, 2019 at 07:25 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. eric Posted: February 18, 2019 at 08:42 AM (#5816049)
What, that he already played 152 games in 2016?
   2. bbmck Posted: February 18, 2019 at 08:46 AM (#5816051)
Pujols is either predicting the Angels miss the playoffs or that he's going to be left off the playoff roster.
   3. McCoy Posted: February 18, 2019 at 08:55 AM (#5816053)
I got beat for "he was"
   4. jingoist Posted: February 18, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5816055)
Would it be fair to say that Albert is the poster boy for GMs not to give high money long term contracts to guys over age 30.
   5. jingoist Posted: February 18, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5816056)
OK, if not Albert, then Chris “crush” Davis
   6. asinwreck Posted: February 18, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5816071)
Albert Pujols could absolutely play 162 games in 2019. Whether he could perform at an acceptable level to merit that playing time is another question entirely.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: February 18, 2019 at 10:25 AM (#5816073)

Pujols is either predicting the Angels miss the playoffs or that he's going to be left off the playoff roster.


How do you figure?

   8. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 18, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5816074)
[7] He said that among all games, he will play 190 this year, including spring training. Playoff games would also count among all games, so he must be projecting 0 there.
   9. puck Posted: February 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM (#5816081)
Wow, still 3 more years on the deal incl. 2019.

Any chance of a better fate for Miguel Cabrera?
   10. bobm Posted: February 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM (#5816083)
For Single Seasons, From 1961 to 2018, For age 39, Played at most 3 games at P, sorted by greatest Games Played

                                                        
Rk              Player   G OPS+ Year  Tm Lg  PA      Pos
1         Steve Finley 162  109 2004 TOT NL 706    *8/HD
2            Pete Rose 162   94 1980 PHI NL 739     *3/H
3         Paul Molitor 161  116 1996 MIN AL 729    *D3/H
4          Dave Parker 157  118 1990 MIL AL 669    *D/3H
5         Frank Thomas 155  125 2007 TOR AL 624     *D/H
6         Craig Biggio 155  104 2005 HOU NL 651    *4/HD
7      Rafael Palmeiro 154  108 2004 BAL AL 651    *3D/H
8         Omar Vizquel 153   93 2006 SFG NL 659     *6/H
9     Rickey Henderson 152   94 1998 OAK AL 670    *78/H
10        George Brett 152  102 1992 KCR AL 638   *D3/H5
11      Carlos Beltran 151  122 2016 TOT AL 593      D9H
12      Alex Rodriguez 151  129 2015 NYY AL 620   *DH/53
13       Darrell Evans 151  116 1986 DET AL 601   *3DH/5
14       Ichiro Suzuki 150   77 2013 NYY AL 555  *9H8/7D
15       Dave Winfield 150  120 1991 CAL AL 633    *9D/H
16         Barry Bonds 147  263 2004 SFG NL 617    *7/HD
17    Carl Yastrzemski 147  108 1979 BOS AL 590   D37/H8
18           Al Kaline 147  107 1974 DET AL 630     *D/H
19         David Ortiz 146  140 2015 BOS AL 614    *D/3H
20         Chili Davis 146  108 1999 NYY AL 554      *DH
21         Raul Ibanez 144   91 2011 PHI NL 575    *7H/D
22      Reggie Jackson 143  130 1985 CAL AL 541     *9DH
23    Andres Galarraga 141  123 2000 ATL NL 548    *3H/D
24      Willie McCovey 141  132 1977 SFG NL 548     *3/H
25        Torii Hunter 139   91 2015 MIN AL 567    *9D/H
26       Luis Gonzalez 139  104 2007 LAD NL 526    *7H/D
27         Willie Mays 139  140 1970 SFG NL 566    *8H/3
28           Jeff Kent 136  123 2007 LAD NL 562     *4/H
29        Carlton Fisk 135  103 1987 CHW AL 508  *2H/3D7
30     Victor Martinez 133   77 2018 DET AL 508    *D/H3
31          Rico Carty 132   92 1979 TOR AL 512      *DH
32       Luis Aparicio 132   75 1973 BOS AL 561       *6
33         Jeff Conine 131  110 2005 FLA NL 384   3H79/D
34        Kenny Lofton 129   95 2006 LAD NL 522    *8/HD
35         Gary Gaetti 128  121 1998 TOT NL 492 *5H/3419
36           Bob Boone 128   66 1987 CAL AL 442    *2/HD
37           Rod Carew 127   99 1985 CAL AL 518      *3H
38       Chipper Jones 126  121 2011 ATL NL 512    *5H/D
39           Jose Cruz 126   89 1987 HOU NL 405      *7H
40     Willie Stargell 126  139 1979 PIT NL 480      *3H
41         Matt Stairs 125  138 2007 TOR AL 405   37H9/D
42       Gene Woodling 125  116 1962 TOT ML 353      H97
43         Todd Helton 124   89 2013 COL NL 442    *3H/D
44       Graig Nettles 124  108 1984 SDP NL 465      *5H
45          Joe Morgan 123  116 1983 PHI NL 504      *4H
46        Willie McGee 120   62 1998 STL NL 286  7H9/8D3
47          Hank Aaron 120  177 1973 ATL NL 465     *79H
48       Adrian Beltre 119   98 2018 TEX AL 481    *5D/H
49     Ken Griffey Jr. 117   97 2009 SEA AL 454   *DH/79
50        Jorge Posada 115   90 2011 NYY AL 387  *DH3/42
51      Gary Sheffield 114   90 2008 DET AL 482    *D/7H
52        Eddie Murray 113  129 1995 CLE AL 480    *D3/H
53           Hal McRae 112  118 1985 KCR AL 369      *DH
54          Tony Gwynn 111  124 1999 SDP NL 446    *9/HD
55          Otis Nixon 110   85 1998 MIN AL 500     *8/H
56           Jim Thome 108  182 2010 MIN AL 340      *DH
57         Ken Griffey 106  116 1989 CIN NL 266   *7H/39
58    Harmon Killebrew 106   93 1975 KCR AL 369    *DH/3
59      Jim Eisenreich 105   47 1998 TOT NL 208  *H73/9D
60       Harold Baines 104  114 1998 BAL AL 328      *DH
61     Dave Concepcion 104  100 1987 CIN NL 311  *4H35/6
62         Rusty Staub 104  122 1983 NYM NL 132   *H/379
63          Wade Boggs 103  102 1997 NYY AL 407   *5DH/1
64      Craig Counsell 102   74 2010 MIL NL 230    H65/4
65         Jim Gantner 101   67 1992 MIL AL 273  *45/HD3
66        Dwight Evans 101  119 1991 BAL AL 329     *9HD
67           Jim Dwyer 101  119 1989 TOT ML 265    *DH/9
68        B.J. Surhoff 100  106 2004 BAL AL 378    97DH3
69         Moises Alou  98  132 2006 SFG NL 378   *97/HD
70         Ozzie Smith  98   78 1994 STL NL 433     *6/H
71    Red Schoendienst  98   85 1962 STL NL 153    *H4/5
72      Edgar Martinez  97  139 2002 SEA AL 407     *D/H
73       Brian Downing  96  138 1990 CAL AL 390     *D/H
74       John McDonald  95   34 2014 LAA AL  91  *5H6/4D
75       Jeff Reboulet  93   69 2003 PIT NL 299    *4H/5
76          Don Baylor  92   88 1988 OAK AL 313      *DH
77           Lou Brock  92   46 1978 STL NL 317      *7H
78          Ron Fairly  91   87 1978 CAL AL 268    *3H/D
79        Tom Paciorek  88   83 1986 TEX AL 220 375H/D96
80         Davey Lopes  88  120 1984 TOT ML 290 94H/8D75
81         Chase Utley  87   68 2018 LAD NL 187   *4*H/3
82        Jason Giambi  87   98 2010 COL NL 222    *H3/D
83        Dave Bergman  87   62 1992 DET AL 204   *3HD/7
84            Lee Lacy  87   94 1987 BAL AL 293  *9H/D87
85        Fred McGriff  86   99 2003 LAD NL 329     *3/H
86          Larry Bowa  86   57 1985 TOT NL 234    *6H/4
87          Tony Perez  84   98 1981 BOS AL 336    *3D/H
88      Cal Ripken Jr.  83   95 2000 BAL AL 339      *5D
89         Frank White  82   58 1990 KCR AL 257    *4/H9
90     A.J. Pierzynski  81   46 2016 ATL NL 259      *2H
91         Brad Ausmus  81   61 2008 HOU NL 250  *2/H345
92         Jose Molina  80   22 2014 TBR AL 247     *2/H
93        Lenny Harris  79   38 2004 FLA NL  99  *H/795D
94        Bill Buckner  79   43 1989 KCR AL 184     *H3D
95        Rick Dempsey  79   80 1989 LAD NL 183      *2H
96         Tony Taylor  79   89 1975 PHI NL 124   *H5/34
97       Smoky Burgess  79  140 1966 CHW AL  80     *H/2
98       Mark McLemore  77   81 2004 OAK AL 295   *45/H7
99      Tony Fernandez  76   87 2001 TOT ML 134     *HD5
100       Andre Dawson  75   83 1994 BOS AL 306     *D/H
101         Eric Davis  74   67 2001 SFG NL 171    *9H/D
102      Jamey Carroll  72   44 2013 TOT AL 249 *54H/61D
103     Shawon Dunston  72   44 2002 SFG NL 153 H97/8D63
104        Ernie Banks  72   96 1970 CHC NL 247      *3H
105    Brooks Robinson  71   64 1976 BAL AL 232     *5/H
106        Maury Wills  71    3 1972 LAD NL 152      65H
107      Elston Howard  71   93 1968 BOS AL 229     *2/H
108       Barry Larkin  70   94 2003 CIN NL 265      *6H
109      Lance Parrish  70   53 1995 TOR AL 202    *2/HD
110      Jason Varitek  68   92 2011 BOS AL 250       *2
111         David Ross  67  106 2016 CHC NL 205      *2H
112          Tony Pena  67   26 1996 CLE AL 195       *2
113         Mark Grace  66   48 2003 ARI NL 155    *3H/D
114      Bill Robinson  66  109 1982 TOT NL 155    H97/3
115      Tony Phillips  65   98 1998 TOT ML 289    *79/H
116         Jim Rivera  65   87 1961 TOT AL 165    *9H/8
117         Todd Pratt  62   56 2006 ATL NL 152     *2/H
118       Ruben Sierra  61   69 2005 NYY AL 181    DH9/7
119         Eric Young  60   61 2006 TOT ML 159 *7H/84D9
120         Tim Raines  58   79 1999 OAK AL 164   *7H/D8
121      Randy Velarde  56   77 2002 OAK AL 155  *4H/D35
122    Bert Campaneris  55   85 1981 CAL AL  91   *5H/64
123      Miguel Tejada  53   90 2013 KCR AL 167   45H/D3
124       Wally Joyner  53   72 2001 ANA AL 161    *3H/D
125       Lou Piniella  53  110 1983 NYY AL 160   *97H/D
126          Norm Cash  53  112 1974 DET AL 172      *3H
127    Benito Santiago  49   91 2004 KCR AL 189       *2
128         Manny Mota  49  178 1977 LAD NL  50     *H/7
129     Frank Robinson  49  153 1975 CLE AL 149      *DH
130       Brian Jordan  48   63 2006 ATL NL 101  *3H/789
131       Sandy Alomar  46   66 2005 TEX AL 137     *2/H
132            Ron Cey  45  107 1987 OAK AL 128   *DH/35
133     Ivan Rodriguez  44   66 2011 WSN NL 137    *2/H3
134       Willie Davis  43   71 1979 CAL AL  61   *H/D97
135        Melvin Mora  42   41 2011 ARI NL 135    *5H/3
136       Mike Schmidt  42   91 1989 PHI NL 172       *5
137            Lee May  42  145 1982 KCR AL 107    *3H/D
138       Henry Blanco  37  132 2011 ARI NL 112     *2/H
139        Ernie Whitt  35   72 1991 BAL AL  70   *H*2/D
140       Brett Butler  34   66 1996 LAD NL 145       *8
141         Gregg Zaun  28  101 2010 MIL NL 117       *2
142       Chris Speier  28   99 1989 SFG NL  44   H/6543
143     Charlie OBrien  27  -27 1999 ANA AL  67     *2/H
144     Reggie Sanders  24  138 2007 KCR AL  85    /79DH
145       Mike Redmond  22   44 2010 CLE AL  68       *2
146       Jose Morales  22    3 1984 LAD NL  20       *H
147        Derek Jeter  17   52 2013 NYY AL  73     *6/D
148         Geoff Blum  17   -7 2012 ARI NL  31     *H/5
149      Jay Johnstone  17   11 1985 LAD NL  16       *H
150        Phil Garner  15   10 1988 SFG NL  14     *H/5
151        Ellis Burks  11   39 2004 BOS AL  37     /*DH
152         Gil Hodges  11   61 1963 NYM NL  25     *3/H
153      Trent Hubbard  10   98 2003 CHC NL  21    /*H89
154        Juan Castro   7   76 2011 LAD NL  15    /*4H5
155      Mike Difelice   7   91 2008 TBR AL  22      /*2
156         So Taguchi   6   79 2009 CHC NL  12   /*H*79
157         Greg Myers   6  -34 2005 TOR AL  13    /*2*H
158      Manny Ramirez   5  -66 2011 TBR AL  17     /*DH
159        Pat Borders   4  231 2002 SEA AL   4  /*H*D*2
160        Felipe Alou   3 -100 1974 MIL AL   3     /*H9
161    Chris Chambliss   1 -100 1988 NYY AL   1      /*H


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   11. SoSH U at work Posted: February 18, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5816134)

[7] He said that among all games, he will play 190 this year, including spring training. Playoff games would also count among all games, so he must be projecting 0 there.


I doubt Albert Pujols (or anyone, for that matter, expects to play anywhere close to 28 spring training games. Hell, that's usually not even possible.
   12. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: February 18, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5816135)
Even if I thought Pujols was back to his glory days completely. The 39 year old with chronic foot problems is sort of the last person I want to not give the occasional day off.
   13. KJOK Posted: February 18, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5816149)
There a decent chance he's going to be released or 'retire' before June. He's certainly not playing 190 games.
   14. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: February 18, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5816153)

Chess, Scrabble, Boggle, Yahtzee, Monopoly, Poker, Blackjack, Bridge, Cards Against Humanity, Settlers of Catan...190 or even 162 in a year might be tough but I think if he puts his mind to it he can pull it off.
   15. What if I planted tomatoes Posted: February 18, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5816178)
The Cards are well managed but twice they got some luck in other clubs making more appealing offers to players who have been pretty bad since leaving in Pujols and Heyward.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: February 18, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5816190)
Alas, if anything, Miggy is looking worse than Pujols due to similar performance and more missed time (and worse defense). By WAR from age 30, AP then MC

30 7.5 7.3
31 5.3 5.1
32 4.8 5.2
33 1.5 4.7 (443 PA for Pujols)
34 4.0 -1
35 3.0 0.6 (157 PA for Miggy)

So at 33 Miggy was better but Pujols bounced back at 34-35 while Miggy has cratered. That 2018 is in a small handful of PA so in theory is at least a league-average pace when he was "healthy." But it was also a mostly ugly 157 PA -- a 675 OPS through his first 59 PA, then a walloping 1224 for the next 49 then onto the DL for a month, then 49 PA at 660. Hopefully his injury is fully healed and that second slump was just the result of coming back too soon. But we hoped much the same about 2017.

Cano on the other hand has been very good, gave Seattle what they paid for and now is in the "we'll take what we can get" phase of that contract. I think the only other current long-term contracts that go past age 36 are Votto (runs through 39, 5 years to go) and Stanton (37). Long-term contracts past age 36 were never common.

For 30-34 so far, Votto has put up 24.5 WAR which is excellent but similar to Pujols/Miggy. His "oh-oh" season was actually the first one under this deal at age 30 (1.9 injured WAR). Last year's 3.5 WAR looks like Pujols age 34. Ages 35-36 might be make or break. However, signed so long ago, the Reds got a bit of a bargain at 10/$225 and the remainder is "just" 5/$132. Pujols has 3/$87 plus $10 deferred and Miggy has 5/$154 so if I had to pick one, I'd take Votto's.

   17. cardsfanboy Posted: February 18, 2019 at 04:41 PM (#5816216)
Even if I thought Pujols was back to his glory days completely. The 39 year old with chronic foot problems is sort of the last person I want to not give the occasional day off.


Exactly... even if he is putting up a 150 ops+, and playing gold glove caliber first based defense, you will still want to rest him every 10 or so days if not more.
   18. baudib Posted: February 18, 2019 at 04:47 PM (#5816218)
The post-30 declines of people like Pujols and Griffey really make you appreciate what Aaron and Mays did.
   19. McCoy Posted: February 18, 2019 at 05:06 PM (#5816223)
And Bonds.
   20. What if I planted tomatoes Posted: February 18, 2019 at 05:28 PM (#5816232)
Aaron in 1973 and yes I know Atlanta helped him but on the road he slugged .603 and half of his hits were for extra bases. And his best month was Sept with splits of .426/.494/.809. At 39! And all of his splits are impressive. And poor Pads. Aaron tuned them up for 8 homers in 39 at bats.
   21. bfan Posted: February 18, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5816243)
Would it be fair to say that Albert is the poster boy for GMs not to give high money long term contracts to guys over age 30.


or, if the conspiracy theories are correct, to guys over 40.
   22. baudib Posted: February 18, 2019 at 06:17 PM (#5816248)
Hank Aaron could play some baseball.
   23. Mefisto Posted: February 18, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5816250)
Bill James once commented that big, slow sluggers didn't age very well. Pujols, great as he was, seems to be no exception, though we can always wonder what would have happened without the injuries.
   24. baudib Posted: February 18, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5816251)
Ortiz aged ok.
   25. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: February 18, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5816266)
The post-30 declines of people like Pujols and Griffey really make you appreciate what Aaron and Mays did.


But that's the difference between the merely great players and all time top 10 players in the history of MLB.
   26. Mefisto Posted: February 18, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5816267)
@24: I don't think Bill meant that it was a rule, just that it was a tendency. But yeah, Ortiz aged very well.
   27. baudib Posted: February 18, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5816269)
What Bill James said was regarding "young players with old players' skills" and the specific examples I remember him using were Tom Brunansky and Alvin Davis. Davis in particular really exemplifies what he meant, I think. He was slow, no defensive value, hit for power and controlled the strike zone. That type of guy isn't going to add speed or defensive value so he has nowhere to go really. He hits his batting peak and falls off a cliff.

Pujols isn't a guy like Alvin Davis, he obviously had quite a bit of defensive value, he wasn't really all that slow as a young player. He wasn't only a power hitter, he was a great all-around hitter. By time he's 30 you can make the case that he's a slow slugger, but he's not a young player with old players' skills. A 25-year-old David Ortiz is a lot closer to Alvin Davis than Pujols is.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: February 18, 2019 at 11:28 PM (#5816289)
Oddly, one could argue part of Albert's problem is that he never developed old man skills. The "classic" is that, as he ages and the bat slows, the athletic, high-BA hitter will start to trade Ks for BBs and cheat more with the swing to add power -- i.e. Frank Thomas who also aged reasonably well. Through 32, Thomas hit 321/440/579, about 1 K per 8 PA and way more BB than K. From 33 on he was 262/376/507 with a bit more than 1 K per 6 PA and slightly more Ks than BBs.

Albert has never stopped making contact and, while I never quite trust them, the LD rate has stayed a healthy 24%. But the walk rate dropped (not being pitched around), the HR/FB rate dropped taking the ISO with it. I'm not sure he ever adjusted his approach to compensate for his loss of bat speed.
   29. bbmck Posted: February 18, 2019 at 11:41 PM (#5816292)
From 1994-2009, seasons of 120+ OPS+ and qualified for the batting title:

Age 35+: 92
Age 33-34: 84
Age 31-32: 135
Age 29-30: 168

Age 27-28: 164
Age 25-26: 134
Age 23-24: 59
Age 22 and under: 16

This is with selective end points in favor of Age 35+ players:
1994: Wade Boggs, Brett Butler, Julio Franco, Kirk Gibson, Paul Molitor, Tony Phillips, Tim Wallach, Lou Whitaker
2009: Casey Blake, Todd Helton, Raul Ibanez, Derek Jeter, Hideki Matsui, Ichiro Suzuki

Outside of that, seasons with 5+ such players:
1924: Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Harry Hooper, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Cy Williams
1925: Max Carey, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Jack Fournier, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Cy Williams, Ken Williams
1926: Dave Bancroft, Eddie Collins, Wally Schang, Tris Speaker, Cy Williams, Ken Williams
1927: Ty Cobb, George Harper, Joe Harris, Cy Williams, Ken Williams

1944: Pete Fox, Pinky Higgins, Bob Johnson, Mel Ott, Phil Weintraub
1945: Tony Cuccinello, Johnny Dickshot, Stan Hack, Bob Johnson, Joe Kuhel, Mel Ott
1947: Luke Appling, Hank Greenberg, George McQuinn, Dixie Walker, Taffy Wright

1971: Hank Aaron, Norm Cash, Roberto Clemente, Harmon Killebrew, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson

1982: Rod Carew, Reggie Jackson, Hal McRae, Joe Morgan, Al Oliver
1983: Rod Carew, Jose Cruz, Darrell Evans, Carlton Fisk, Hal McRae, Ken Singleton
1985: Darrell Evans, George Foster, Toby Harrah, Reggie Jackson, Graig Nettles, Mike Schmidt

2016: Adrian Beltre, Carlos Beltran, Nelson Cruz, Victor Martinez, David Ortiz, Ben Zobrist

If the nanny shows up in 1945 it's Johnny Richardshot.
   30. bbmck Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:12 AM (#5816295)
Age 35+ OPS+ in chronological order with no PA minimum for the players with at least one season qualified for the batting title, 120 OPS+ and Age 35+ during 2010-18:

AJ Pierzynski: 120, 95, 75, 112, 46
Adrian Beltre: 144, 110, 128, 132, 98
Alex Rodriguez: 119, 111, 113, 129, 58
Ben Zobrist: 121, 79, 115
Carlos Beltran: 128, 127, 98, 119, 122, 81
Chipper Jones: 165, 176, 117, 120, 121, 124

David Ortiz: 154, 173, 159, 140, 140, 164
Hideki Matsui: 123, 126, 93, 23
Jayson Werth: 134, 85, 97, 83
Lance Berkman: 164, 126, 92
Marlon Byrd: 138, 109, 100, 100

Nelson Cruz: 147, 149, 135
Paul Konerko: 141, 130, 82, 64
Scott Rolen: 126, 81, 90
Torii Hunter: 116, 129, 115, 114, 91
Victor Martinez: 172, 84, 121, 86, 77
   31. Meatwad Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:32 AM (#5816296)
I fully expect albert to show up at the yard for every game this year. That counts as an everyday player right?
   32. Rally Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5816368)
But that's the difference between the merely great players and all time top 10 players in the history of MLB.


We're talking about 2 largely separate skills here: Once is elite talent at the start of a career, the other is longevity. The top 10 are the guys who have both.

There are plenty of examples of players who were never great, but aged extremely well. Not so much recently, but Ben Zobrist and Nelson Cruz fit the description.
   33. Greg Pope Posted: February 19, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5816384)
The post-30 declines of people like Pujols and Griffey really make you appreciate what Aaron and Mays did.

But that's the difference between the merely great players and all time top 10 players in the history of MLB.

This is why I don't really understand the 99.3% HOF vote for Griffey, as well as the fact that he, along with Greg Maddux, is often cited as "should have been unanimous". Griffey was otherworldly in Seattle, and had a good first season in Cincy, but after that (at age 31) he really didn't do a whole lot to add to his case. He only played more than 120 games twice more, and those were the only 2 years he hit over 30 homeruns.

Clearly a hall of famer, don't get me wrong. But I'm not seeing the 99.3 there.
   34. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 19, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5816434)
RE: #33, as others have noted, Hall voting can't really be viewed as a player ranking. The huge numbers accorded some recent inductees vis a vis those received by other players back in the day is largely caused by the disappearance of the "I don't vote for nobody in their 1st year"* voter, of whom there used to be a large and vocal contingent. I doubt that even Jr's old man thought he was better than Mays or Aaron.


*There were also doubtless a few who just wouldn't vote for anybody whose skin wasn't pale enough.

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