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Saturday, November 30, 2019

All 42 Teams Reportedly Up For Elimination In MLB’s Minor League Reduction Proposal

ere are the 42 teams ticketed to be removed from the affiliated minor leagues in Major League Baseball’s proposal. This list is highly preliminary, and Baseball America had heard rumors of other teams being on the list earlier in the process.

Jim Furtado Posted: November 30, 2019 at 08:50 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 30, 2019 at 10:30 AM (#5904532)
This is almost exactly the same as the NY Times list from a couple of weeks ago. The only difference is that this list axes Beloit and keeps Quad Cities. That swap certainly passes the sniff test.

The BA article says that the two indie teams that would be brought into organized ball are the St Paul Saints and the Sugar Land Skeeters. The Saints were the original poster franchise for revived indie ball, and it would be something of a shame if they went from being a the scrappy team that outdrew the Twins on a couple of occasions to just another AA franchise.
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: November 30, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5904535)
the Skeeters are ducks - er, bugs - out of water in the indy Atlantic League.
   3. ckash Posted: November 30, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5904538)
Between the Orioles shenanigans with Villar and MLB putting my successful local minor league team on the chopping block I’m as close to quitting baseball as I’ve ever been.
   4. catomi01 Posted: November 30, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5904556)
the Skeeters are ducks - er, bugs - out of water in the indy Atlantic League.


The original plan was for them and a couple of other teams in Texas, and a complete division down there...the closest they've come is a team in North Carolina.
   5. bads85 Posted: November 30, 2019 at 01:15 PM (#5904558)
This list has the wrong Tri-City team on it also -- it is the Valley Cats that are slated for contraction.

There has also been talk of adding seats to Sugar Land's stadium to make it large enough for AAA so the Astros can move their AAA affiliate there.
   6. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 30, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5904562)
St Paul finished 8th in average attendance in all of the minors last year, behind Round Rock and just ahead of Albequerque. The most impressive part is that they averaged 8,091 in a ballpark that seats 7,210. Only 50 home games, but still.
   7. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 30, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5904564)
This list has the wrong Tri-City team on it also -- it is the Valley Cats that are slated for contraction.
The Dust Devils are also on the NY Times list, and there's other reporting saying that they're getting axed. I've seen the ValleyCats listed as a team moving to single A.
   8. Rennie's Tenet Posted: November 30, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5904565)
Can anyone link to a list or map of what's remaining, and what the new leagues might look like?
   9. Sunday silence Posted: November 30, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5904575)
There's something Im not undestanding or misunderstanding when I read all these minor league contraction stories. Sometimes teams swap affiliations. But what does that mean exactly? I thought that means that an MLB team is paying for those guys and those players belong to them. But when a city swaps affiliations what happens? Does one roster of players from one city move in and the previous roster moves to another city? Is that what happens??
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 30, 2019 at 03:51 PM (#5904576)
But when a city swaps affiliations what happens? Does one roster of players from one city move in and the previous roster moves to another city? Is that what happens??

yes, essentially, though not all players will be with the same minor league team the following season. (They could be moved up or down), So, for instance, when the Charleston River Dogs switched affiliation from the Rays to the Yankees between 2004 and 2005, the 2005 River Dogs roster was completely new. (and I couldn't tell you what happened to the TB minor leaguers who had played here in 2004)
   11. bads85 Posted: November 30, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5904577)
The Dust Devils are also on the NY Times list, and there's other reporting saying that they're getting axed. I've seen the ValleyCats listed as a team moving to single A.


The 120 Plan calls for three NY Penn teams to be saved -- Brooklyn and Hudson Valley have already been named. The Yankees pushed back about Staten Island and were assured that they had nothing to worry about at this time, which fueled speculation that the wrong Tri-City was on the NYT's list since the Dust Devils are in the midst of a stadium renovation. However, today, it looks like confusion is over both teams.
   12. bads85 Posted: November 30, 2019 at 04:58 PM (#5904582)
There's something Im not undestanding or misunderstanding when I read all these minor league contraction stories. Sometimes teams swap affiliations. But what does that mean exactly? I thought that means that an MLB team is paying for those guys and those players belong to them. But when a city swaps affiliations what happens? Does one roster of players from one city move in and the previous roster moves to another city? Is that what happens??


It means the entire roster moves. Say the Rancho Cucamonga Quakes were the Angels' High A Affiliate, but moved to the Inland Empire 66ers. The entire roster now plays for the 66ers. The quakes would be left without an affiliate unless a MLB moved an affiliate there, which is what the Dodgers did. Minor league organizations and MLB sign either a two or four year Player Development Contract (PDC), and when the contract expires, both parties have the option to opt out or stay put.
   13. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: November 30, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5904587)
So, the Reds lose their AA and hi-A teams. that's BS. Didn't Daytona just move in to a new park a couple of years ago?
   14. bbmck Posted: November 30, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5904605)
   15. Rennie's Tenet Posted: November 30, 2019 at 07:25 PM (#5904610)
#14: Thanks!
   16. bads85 Posted: November 30, 2019 at 07:31 PM (#5904616)
So, the Reds lose their AA and hi-A teams. that's BS. Didn't Daytona just move in to a new park a couple of years ago?


Daytona plays in a park that was built in 1914. Obviously, it has had some upgrades since then. It is the only current FSL stadium that isn't a Grapefruit League stadium (The Fire Frogs are without a home for right now).
   17. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 30, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5904632)
If you don't think that there are all that many minor league teams, the headline looks like it says that they're eliminating the minor leagues entirely.
   18. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 30, 2019 at 09:29 PM (#5904639)
The Atlantic League needs to take advantage of this. The Bridgeport Bluefish disappeared after 20 years because the mayor for Bridgeport wanted to use the stadium for a summer concert series and the New Britain Bees decided to be in the New England collegiate league instead. So they're down to 7 teams- 5 in the Mid-Atlantic states, 1 in Texas that is apparently going to become affiliated, and 1 in North Carolina. Plus the "Road Warriors" that play no home games and come into existence whenever the league has an odd number of teams. They could move into some of these markets and double their size without expanding the footprint.

If Frederick gets eliminated the Atlantic League needs to step into that stadium immediately. They lead the Carolina League in attendance and it's a growing area near DC and Baltimore.

Binghamton and State College get attendance of over 3,000 which is in the Atlantic League range (although it puts Binghamton last in the Eastern League). Williamsport and Connecticut (Norwich) get attendance of 2,000 in the NY-Penn League. Hagerstown's attendance is terrible but maybe it would pick up if they were playing teams from nearby instead of being in the South Atlantic League. Auburn, NY is doomed.

Staten Island is an obvious location too.

I know nothing about Burlington, NC but it's right near High Point so that's convenient.
   19. greenback slays lewks Posted: November 30, 2019 at 09:33 PM (#5904641)
(The Fire Frogs are without a home for right now).

They have a brand new park in North Port, don't they?

I've never heard of Burlington, NC or its stadium but it's right near High Point so that's convenient.

Like most Appy League parks, it looks like it was built during the Roosevelt administration.
   20. stevegamer Posted: November 30, 2019 at 10:23 PM (#5904647)
My plan for contraction would be simple.

Contract Manfred.
   21. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: November 30, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5904658)
eh, he'd consider it
   22. winnipegwhip Posted: December 01, 2019 at 12:18 AM (#5904664)
I keep asking that MLB must be figuring why pay for minor league salaries when they won't have a revenue generating product available with the coming labour war. There still will be minor league baseball with the lockout/strike and MLB will have to pay salaries to those players who they won't be able to call up. The best option is to reduce those players by 25%.
   23. McCoy Posted: December 01, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5904680)
If that's their thinking why aren't they laying everyone off?
   24. catomi01 Posted: December 01, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5904684)
The Atlantic League needs to take advantage of this. The Bridgeport Bluefish disappeared after 20 years because the mayor for Bridgeport wanted to use the stadium for a summer concert series and the New Britain Bees decided to be in the New England collegiate league instead. So they're down to 7 teams- 5 in the Mid-Atlantic states, 1 in Texas that is apparently going to become affiliated, and 1 in North Carolina. Plus the "Road Warriors" that play no home games and come into existence whenever the league has an odd number of teams. They could move into some of these markets and double their size without expanding the footprint.


The Atlantic League and MLB have been cooperating very closely on things like rule change experiments, more streamlined transfer of players, scouting and data sharing, etc. over the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that there have been discussions about the Atlantic League taking on some of the orphaned teams, or getting first crack at abandoned markets.
   25. bads85 Posted: December 01, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5904695)
They have a brand new park in North Port, don't they?


The Braves do, but they haven't worked out territorial issues to put a minor league team in there (the stadium is about ten miles from the Stone Crabs' stadium). The Fire Frogs were abruptly evicted from the previous home.
   26. winnipegwhip Posted: December 01, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5904718)
If that's their thinking why aren't they laying everyone off?


Who is going to layoff their first round pick from 2020 and let him become a free agent....except the Orioles.
   27. Sunday silence Posted: December 01, 2019 at 10:13 PM (#5904743)
Whats the status of the proposed Dream League? Is it to go into operations next year? Is there a plan for where its teams will be located?

Not sure I get all the wailing that fans will be losing teams. If there is real interest there, then shouldnt the Dream League take up some of this slack? And also shouldnt more indy teams show up if there is enuf interest to make such teams economically viable.
   28. bads85 Posted: December 01, 2019 at 10:32 PM (#5904745)
Whats the status of the proposed Dream League? Is it to go into operations next year? Is there a plan for where its teams will be located?


There is no plan -- just a vague suggestion.
   29. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 02, 2019 at 07:39 AM (#5904765)
I've never heard of Burlington, NC or its stadium but it's right near High Point so that's convenient.
I've seen about 30 games in Burlington over the last 30 years. It's a bit of a pain -- there's just one big ass parking lot next to the park and no other way to get in or out. So after the game you always spend a long time in your car waiting for a bunch of idiots to make the turn out of the lot. Otherwise it's your typical super basic minor league park. I saw an 18-year-old Josh Hamilton hit a triple there. Burlington's biggest problem has always been that they're 35 minutes from both the Durham Bulls and the Greensboro Grasshoppers, and Burlington the team and the town have never really had a strong native identity. The team has always been named after whoever the parent club happens to be. The town used to be all about its outlet mall (not a great basis for civic pride), and now it's mainly just a home for Elon University and a distant suburb of Greensboro. And apparently Gold Toe socks are made there.
Auburn, NY is doomed.
When I went to see a game in Auburn 18ish years ago, in the 8th inning a couple of the ushers put on tuxedos and then walked around with garbage cans, asking for your trash. That was cute. The home team scored a certain number of runs (8? I don't remember) and so everyone in the audience got a coupon for free ice cream at Friendly's. A couple of locals told me that the Finger Lake one over from Auburn (Skaneateles Lake) is the second-cleanest lake in the world, simultaneously a very dubious claim and a charmingly weird thing to be proud of.
   30. DL from MN Posted: December 02, 2019 at 10:01 AM (#5904790)
Beloit Snappers
Burlington Bees
Clinton LumberKings


These cities will almost certainly join the Northwoods League and they probably won't have to change the mascot. Those will fit in well with the Mallards, Honkers, Woodchucks and Bucks.
   31. DL from MN Posted: December 02, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5904791)
averaged 8,091 in a ballpark that seats 7,210


The Saints have a ton of drink rail and berm tickets. It's essentially a really nice bar with a cover charge of the ticket cost.
   32. Rennie's Tenet Posted: December 02, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5904795)
If they were too dumb to call the team the Gold Toe Sox they deserve to be contracted.
   33. Itchy Row Posted: December 02, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5904811)
This is the worst tribute to Jackie Robinson yet.
   34. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: December 02, 2019 at 05:55 PM (#5905021)
The Bridgeport Bluefish disappeared after 20 years because the mayor for Bridgeport wanted to use the stadium for a summer concert series


This despite the fact there's a perfectly cromulent arena right next door to the stadium. It's like turning your bathroom into a second kitchen.
   35. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 02, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5905025)
It's like turning your bathroom into a second kitchen.
I did that the other way around one time when I was really drunk. My wife was not pleased.

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