Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, May 30, 2019

Almora overcome with emotion after foul ball hits child in stands

Chicago Cubs outfielder Albert Almora reacted as any parent might when a foul ball he hit in Wednesday night’s game against the Houston Astros struck a young girl in the stands.

Almora, a father of two, immediately put his hands on top of his head, then sunk to a knee on the ground as play came to a halt. Teammate Jason Heyward put his arm on Almora’s shoulders and Cubs manager Joe Maddon came out of the dugout to offer words of support.

All major league teams have extended the protective netting around home plate in recent years, but it does not cover the entirety of the lower bowl.

Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:23 AM | 48 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: foul balls, nets, netting

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5846757)
This story has morphed into being about Almora's human reaction and less about the actual child injured.
   2. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5846761)
Whatever helps get the dialogue about increasing netting around the home plate area going is fine by me.

Thought it was a nice gesture by Schwarber to walk over and obstruct the view of a still visibly distraught Almora in the dugout when he noticed the ESPN cameras were focused on him.
   3. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5846771)
I approve of increased netting.
   4. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5846793)
This story has morphed into being about Almora's human reaction and less about the actual child injured.

There's no official information on the kid - which is the family's right. So it's kinda hard to talk about anything else. There's plenty of unverified reports that the girl is doing ok, that they took her to the hospital for precautionary reasons, etc. Which is really amazing considering everyone's reaction - not just Almora. Chirinos looked away, they showed Kemp and Bregman both clearly shook, etc.
   5. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5846799)
There's plenty of unverified reports that the girl is doing ok, that they took her to the hospital for precautionary reasons, etc.


Apparently a security guard did relay to Almora the girl seemed to be doing well. There's a reddit thread on it, includes a picture of Almora talking to security. And apparently Bregman is a redditor.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5846801)
And apparently Bregman is a redditor.
I woulda pegged him more for 4Chan.
   7. flournoy Posted: May 30, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5846814)
I take it that this is not what was meant by that headline, "Give foul balls to kids, you monsters."
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 30, 2019 at 01:25 PM (#5846826)
I woulda pegged him more for 4Chan.


I think Bauer has that one covered.
   9. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 30, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5846835)

I don't think you need to be a parent to be upset about a child being hit with a baseball.
   10. Obo Posted: May 30, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5846840)
I don't think you need to be a parent to be upset about a child being hit with a baseball.

That was kind of bothering me too.
   11. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5846853)
Yeah, the "he is a parent, so it really hits home" angle is grating. Anyone with human decency can empathize.
   12. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: May 31, 2019 at 07:27 AM (#5847044)
I take it that this is not what was meant by that headline, "Give foul balls to kids, you monsters."

I am going to hell for laughing at this... Well that and all the sinning.
   13. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 31, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5847078)
As has been covered here before, my son got hit in the head by a foul ball at a game in 2009 (and I don't know that everything is okay now)... and I have been consistently chuckling over "give foul balls to kids, you monsters" since it hit the sidebar.
Life is too short (and sometimes hard!) not to laugh at things.
--
Oh, I'd never thought about players in these moments prior to that day - but I still think about looking over at and making eye contact with Joe Borchard - shaking my head like "it's not good" - and seeing his face/posture morph into ... something.
--
Yeah, the "he is a parent, so it really hits home" angle is grating. Anyone with human decency can empathize.

Yup.

Also, I approve of more netting.
   14. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 31, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5847082)
Damn, I didn't know that, Der K. That sucks.

The last year before the netting was extended, we got free tickets to a White Sox game that were right behind the 1b dugout. I went with my son (he was 5 at the time), and my brother and his wife (who was about 7 months pregnant). I was miserable the whole game (and not just cause it was the White Sox - heyo*), just dreading something flying at us the split second I looked away to took a drink or something. Thankfully, nothing came near us. But I also am 100% on more netting - all the way to the foul pole sounds good to me.

*It was actually Elvis night, so that was entertaining. It was also Sale vs. Hernandez, so it was a super quick and well pitched game.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 31, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5847085)
I was at a AAA game in Colorado Springs a few years ago, and there were a couple of kids about 5 or 6 in seats right behind the dugout. Of course, they weren't paying any attention at all to the game. Then a line drive hit the side of one of their seats, one of the kids started crying, and their mom went ghost-white and moved them about ten rows back out of the line of fire.
   16. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 31, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5847097)
My worry now is when I take my father to games...his eyesight was always bad but now it's terrible (he watches the game with binoculars), and his reflexes aren't what they used to be.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 31, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5847131)
It was actually Elvis night, so that was entertaining. It was also Sale vs. Hernandez


Runelvys Hernandez, I assume, to ensure that the marketing theme was on point?
   18. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: May 31, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5847132)
Did you see the late era King? He didn’t run anywhere.
   19. Brian Posted: May 31, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5847133)
Sorry to hear that Der-K, that is terrible.
   20. Howie Menckel Posted: May 31, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5847138)
just about 5 minutes ago, Rory McIlroy hit a tee shot at a PGA event in Ohio of about 300 yards that hit a guy square on the head. at least initially, he just started walking normally - but damn.

from what I've seen over the years, even as hard as a golf ball is, it seems to be just small enough that it can hit you that way and you likely will be okay. which is amazing.
   21. Meatwad Posted: May 31, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5847139)
It can also cut you open. We ran cross country races in high school at a golf course. My senior year a kid about 10 feet behind me got hit with a golf ball that cut him open. He did finish the race.
   22. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 31, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5847145)
It can also cut you open. We ran cross country races in high school at a golf course. My senior year a kid about 10 feet behind me got hit with a golf ball that cut him open. He did finish the race.
Yeah, let's have a bunch of high school kids running their cross country races at a golf course while the golfers are still trying to play golf. What could possibly go wrong?
   23. Tubbs is Bobby Grich when he flys off the handle Posted: May 31, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5847172)
As a young child, my father’s work had seats at Memorial Stadium about 15-20 rows up behind the first base dugout. I will never forget the time O’s slugger Larry Sheets hit a guided missle/foul ball into the stands directly into a seat in the row in front of me.  I vividly remember my mother and I only had enough time to duck and cover before we heard the ball smash into one of the metal seats in front of us, leaving a dent.  Fortunately, no one was sitting in the seat when Sheets’ drive careened into it as the man who occupied the chair that day was getting refreshments at the time.  When the man returned to his seat, his wife told him about Sheets’ line drive and showed him the dent in the chair.  The man tried his best to play it off but you could tell from his reaction—a relieved ‘huh huh’—that he knew he was lucky to be out of his seat or Sheets’ drive may have dented his face. (Not surprisingly, I am favor of more netting)
   24. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5847188)
Yeah, the "he is a parent, so it really hits home" angle is grating. Anyone with human decency can empathize.
True, but having a child can make you hyper-aware of even infinitesimal threats. I used to try and sit field level whenever possible. After the kid, never. I just refuse to allow for even the possibility of a foul ball her way.

====

Sorry that happened to your son, DerK. That's very literally my nightmare.
   25. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 31, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5847191)
I will never forget the time O’s slugger Larry Sheets hit a guided missle/foul ball into the stands directly into a seat in the row in front of me. I vividly remember my mother and I only had enough time to duck and cover before we heard the ball smash into one of the metal seats in front of us, leaving a dent. Fortunately, no one was sitting in the seat when Sheets’ drive careened into it as the man who occupied the chair that day was getting refreshments at the time. When the man returned to his seat, his wife told him about Sheets’ line drive and showed him the dent in the chair. The man tried his best to play it off but you could tell from his reaction—a relieved ‘huh huh’—that he knew he was lucky to be out of his seat or Sheets’ drive may have dented his face. (Not surprisingly, I am favor of more netting)

Maybe 4 years ago, I was sitting in a seat maybe 12 rows behind the 3rd base dugout. We were just settling in for the top of the first when Anthony Rizzo hit a check swing screamer right at me. I saw it coming and didn't even react, it didn't register to me that the ball was headed directly toward me. It passed about 2 feet above my head, and the guy in the row behind us caught it (with his glove) to much applause. The whole thing, from swing to catch, lasted about 1-1.5 seconds.

I completely froze, and I count myself lucky that the ball wasn't 2 feet lower, because it would have crushed me right in the forehead.

(Next time we went back to a game, we made a point of being behind the net.)
   26. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: May 31, 2019 at 06:53 PM (#5847200)
It's okay - things happen. I'd link to the thread where I gave details (like a year later) but I think it disappeared at some point.

Short version: we were sitting in the left field corner in a picnic area for a daycare group outing; he was a nine-month old in a baby bjorn worn by his mom; she was packing up for us to go and turned to answer a question that a child asked her when the ball came in - mom had no idea that it was coming until after it had already hit him; I was hyper vigilant during the game (but also had said 'just one more inning please' an inning earlier - no guilt there!) but our other kid bolted out of the area so I had to fetch her and we were, like, 30 feet away as I watched it happen; it broke his face and it's a wonder that he didn't lose an eye or worse; he spent a few days in the hospital while we refused interview requests; much of his face was a big black bruise for months afterward.

Anyway - he might be unscathed (upon visual inspection, he is!) - but some of the ways in which he's neuroatypical and has hard to categorize behavorial / mental health issues have made experts (and family members) wonder. (It's also easy to come up with excuses for things - this could very well be unrelated! I don't think any of us worry about causes in any context other than how they lead to better treatment plans.) He has a like/hate relationship with baseball (on the one hand, it connects him with his dad - on the other, he used to say things like "that's the game that tries to hurt babies" when he was younger, as well as traumatized his mom in ways I won't detail here.
   27. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 31, 2019 at 08:09 PM (#5847211)
"It's not about me," Almora says to reporters in response to questions about fans supporting him after the foul ball incident.

If only Russell could learn those words. Wonder if he was within earshot.
   28. Jundt Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5847324)
Instead of more netting, how about don't buy tickets that close when you have kids?
   29. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: June 01, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5847329)
Instead of being an #######, how about shut the #### up.
   30. neck Posted: June 01, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5847365)
What is MLB's argument against more netting? Is it just the visuals?
   31. phredbird Posted: June 01, 2019 at 11:14 PM (#5847511)

back when i lived in L.A. and was going to lots of games, about 10 yrs ago, the netting was not very wide. i was at the infamous game when a player's bat broke on a hard foul and the bat flew into the stands and broke a woman's jaw. this was in the dugout club section which is pretty darn close to the field ...

i hope it's gotten better since then.
   32. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 02, 2019 at 08:16 PM (#5847655)
What is MLB's argument against more netting? Is it just the visuals?

The biggest complaint I've heard is the lack of intimacy, with the netting being a physical barrier between the fans and the action on the field.

I go to minor league games and sit directly behind the plate because I have kids. I don't mind the screen, in fact, I like it.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 02, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5847660)
The biggest complaint I've heard is the lack of intimacy, with the netting being a physical barrier between the fans and the action on the field.
This sounds like...something else.
   34. jmurph Posted: June 03, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5847769)
Instead of more netting, how about don't buy tickets that close when you have kids?

In addition to #29, which I endorse in its entirety, you are also not quick enough to react to a 104 MPH line drive my guy.
   35. Jundt Posted: June 03, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5847823)
Thanks for all the mature responses.

As an adult when I sit there I pay attention and accept the risks. I would never bring a child down there. It seems like common sense, but I guess it is more worthy of insults.
   36. jmurph Posted: June 03, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5847847)
Right right, in a thread in which a valued and admired member of the BBTF community is sharing a heart wrenching story about his own child being severely injured by a foul ball, the mature thing to do is to dish out judgmental parenting advice. You nailed it, man.
   37. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 03, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5847863)
I thought Der-K was in the corner, not in a prime foul-ball spot. I'm generally not in favor of nets on that type of spot around the field, even if maybe they could be extended a little further down the lines.

Of course, Der-K said they were in a "picnic area", and if that means people would be expected to be sitting facing away from the game or there would be expected to be a high ratio of young children, netting might be appropriate in that particular spot anyway.

On the larger point, you can never be 100% safe anywhere. My understanding of this issue is that it has nothing to do with cost for the teams, but that fans prefer an experience where they don't sit behind nets, and are willing to take the risk of it. At least some teams have polled their fans on this point. If that's truly the case and the risks are well-known and understood, I'm generally not in favor of adding more nets, with perhaps exceptions for already designated family areas.
   38. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 03, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5847897)
I appreciate the backup (sincerely, thanks for the kind words), but I can take it. :)
The discourse should, imo, be the same whether or not someone who directly impacted by something like this is visibly in the conversation. (Conversely, not everyone is a confessionalist, as I am, people lurk, and so on. Civility is generally the move and thoughtfulness almost always is.)

This particular stadium has a picnic area in the left field corner, field adjacent, with many of the seats not facing the action. In retrospect, this may not be good design.
(For what it's worth, I'd've never bought a seat that wasn't behind the screen under normal circumstances, if I had children or non-fans in tow. But, again, this was an outing for a daycare - they picked the location and I didn't mind being hyper-vigilant during play ... until I was away from my seat at the wrong time.)

I've since sat there or there near there (sans kids) and a lot of foul balls (small sample size alert) seem to slice near or into there.

IMO - we would have more nets for it not for existing legal precedents + the ease of seeing through nets has improved markedly in recent years. They're coming...
   39. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 03, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5847898)
I hadn't heard about this till today: A woman was killed by a foul ball at Dodger Stadium last year.
   40. . Posted: June 03, 2019 at 03:59 PM (#5847900)
That's because the Dodgers bought quietude and the family went along. I think I read that the Dodgers wanted to acknowledge her some way on opening day (maybe?), but the family said no thanks. Pretty sure that was it. Not sure we've heard a peep about it from Reyes or the Padres.

The current mallpark-ish age with all the stadium-imposed distractions and phone distractions isn't the greatest for fan safety, either. Bad combination all around.
   41. . Posted: June 03, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5847901)
I've willingly sat in seats low behind home plate and therefore behind the nets a bunch of times starting in like 1979. Never thought about the nets for even half a second.
   42. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: June 03, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5847922)
I will freely admit I don't particularly like extending the netting. I understand WHY it's a good idea but I enjoy taking photos and I hate having to shoot through the net. 20 years ago a family friend had seats on the home plate side of the Red Sox dugout, four rows back at Fenway. We used to sit there once or twice a year and yeah, a few foul balls whizzed past my head (Wally Joyner is one I remember distinctly because it clipped the top of the wall and changed direction, that was the scariest one) but for me I'd prefer less netting.

But like I said, that's my preference.
   43. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: June 03, 2019 at 04:57 PM (#5847924)
One thing I'll add. For all the talk of fans (particularly young ones) the people I've always worried about are the food and drink vendors. They literally have their back turned to the field and are not expected to be paying attention to the games. They are the ones I've always thought would be most likely to get injured. I did see one guy take a foul ball off the hot dog warmer he was carrying but never saw one of those guys get hit which amazed me.
   44. DL from MN Posted: June 03, 2019 at 05:05 PM (#5847926)
I go to minor league games and sit directly behind the plate because I have kids. I don't mind the screen, in fact, I like it.


Minor league stadiums are far worse than MLB for the amount of netting down the lines.
   45. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 03, 2019 at 05:20 PM (#5847930)
I've willingly sat in seats low behind home plate and therefore behind the nets a bunch of times starting in like 1979.
Yeah, and the world has been going to sh*t since exactly then, right? Coincidence? I think not! Nets ruin everything. QED.
   46. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2019 at 09:45 AM (#5848066)
Minor league stadiums are far worse than MLB for the amount of netting down the lines.

It's been more than a decade since I've been but I felt the same about college games. I was at an LSU game down the third base line and they were just sending rocket after rocket into the stands.
   47. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 26, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5856124)
Update:

The 2-year-old girl who was hit by a foul ball at a Houston Astros game last month suffered a skull fracture from the incident, according to her family's attorney.

Houston attorney Richard Mithoff's office released a news release Wednesday on the incident, marking the first time the family involved in the May 29 ordeal has publicly disclosed the young fan's condition.

"The family's foremost concern is about the health of their child, but they also wanted me to extend their thanks to the fans and the Astros for their concern," said Mithoff, who notified the team of his and family attorney Steve Polotko's retention in the matter.

According to attorney's office, the girl also had subdural bleeding, brain contusions and brain edema.

She also had a seizure and is on medication to prevent recurrences, Mithoff's office said. She is recovering at home.
   48. Lassus Posted: June 26, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5856156)
They've recently added netting to the sub-A Murnane Field housing the Utica Blue Sox.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

News

All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand


BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
danielj
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogRyan Thibs’ Hall of Fame Tracker
(467 - 10:01am, Dec 15)
Last: Sunday silence

NewsblogThe Marlins are talking to Yasiel Puig
(4 - 9:59am, Dec 15)
Last: Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K

NewsblogMinors: MLB's proposal a 'shell game' to yank 42 teams out of their communities - The San Diego Union-Tribune
(8 - 9:47am, Dec 15)
Last: Sunday silence

NewsblogSources: Astros witnesses admit sign stealing to MLB, but deny special camera | SNY
(3 - 9:42am, Dec 15)
Last: Sunday silence

NewsblogVideo: Josh Donaldson Bought His Mom a Maserati After She Quit Smoking on a Bet
(10 - 9:05am, Dec 15)
Last: Swoboda is freedom

NewsblogFlorida Fire Frogs Mess Comes At Bad Time For MiLB
(10 - 8:52am, Dec 15)
Last: Der-K: at 10% emotional investment

NewsblogGiants change bullpen location, move fences in at Oracle Park
(18 - 4:26am, Dec 15)
Last: vortex of dissipation

NewsblogOT - NBA Thread, Start of the 2019-2020 Season
(1487 - 11:57pm, Dec 14)
Last: Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean

NewsblogOT - College Football Bowl Spectacular (December 2019 - January 2020)
(30 - 9:25pm, Dec 14)
Last: Howie Menckel

Hall of Merit2020 Hall of Merit Ballot Discussion
(360 - 9:15pm, Dec 14)
Last: Dr. Chaleeko

NewsblogRangers honor retired jerseys with dimensions at new stadium
(10 - 7:52pm, Dec 14)
Last: Itchy Row

NewsblogReport: Investigation into Astros' alleged cheating likely not completed until 2020
(4 - 6:58pm, Dec 14)
Last: The Yankee Clapper

NewsblogRays sign Japanese outfielder Yoshitomo Tsutsugo to two-year deal
(10 - 5:46pm, Dec 14)
Last: Qufini

NewsblogRed Sox, Pitcher Martin Perez Agree To One-Year Deal
(5 - 4:59pm, Dec 14)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogMajor League Baseball threatens to create new minor league system - The Boston Globe
(3 - 4:29pm, Dec 14)
Last: Hank Gillette

Page rendered in 0.4389 seconds
46 querie(s) executed