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Wednesday, August 24, 2022

An Angels sale could increase chances of Shohei Ohtani trade; these five teams are best positioned to land him

1. Los Angeles Dodgers
The Dodgers have been enamored with Ohtani dating back to when they tried to sign him out of high school. He chose to play professionally in Japan instead, but it’s unlikely the Dodgers harbor any ill will about his decision. Top executive Andrew Friedman is no stranger to making blockbuster trades, and his best-in-show player development apparatus has once again armed him with a warchest of top youngsters to offer to the Angels. The Dodgers could dangle some combination of catcher Diego Cartaya; righties Bobby Miller, Ryan Pepiot, and Gavin Stone; and infielders Miguel Vargas and Michael Busch. The one potential snag in a Dodgers pursuit is if the Angels elect against moving Ohtani to their biggest geographical rival.

2. New York Mets
The Mets have a lot of things working in their favor. Owner Steven Cohen has demonstrated time and again that he’s willing to spend big on top talent; general manager Billy Eppler is the same executive who signed Ohtani in the first place; and the Mets have several notable youngsters they could float the Angels’ way. That group includes rookie third baseman Brett Baty and catcher Francisco Álvarez, who is one of the best prospects in the game. The Mets could even include one of their first-round picks from this past summer, be it catcher Kevin Parada or shortstop Jett Williams. Unlike in the Juan Soto talks, there’s no intradivisional weirdness to get in the way.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 24, 2022 at 10:37 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 24, 2022 at 10:49 AM (#6092988)
It must be a profoundly miserable experience to be an Angels fan where you get to see two absolute superstars (Ohtani and Trout) be completely wasted on #### teams and organizational disarray season after season.
   2. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 24, 2022 at 12:43 PM (#6093000)
I think a sale would decrease chances of trade; as a prospective owner, I'd want Ohtani as an asset in my organization. I know his contract is only another year, but I would plan on selling Ohtani on my vision for the franchise.
   3. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 24, 2022 at 01:27 PM (#6093003)
A sale would speed up the timetable for either a trade or an extension. No new owner is going to want to start their tenure as The Ones Who Traded Ohtani.
   4. Tin Angel Posted: August 24, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6093004)
It would be refreshing to see the Dodgers finally get infused with a bit of talent.
   5. KronicFatigue Posted: August 24, 2022 at 01:47 PM (#6093007)
Ohtani will either get traded before the sale, or resigned slightly after the sale (with the new owner and Ohtani haven't already ironed out vision and details)
   6. Rally Posted: August 24, 2022 at 01:49 PM (#6093008)
Don’t think there’s much chance a sale is agreed to and finalized before Ohtani is a free agent. These things take a long time. Ohtani’s clock is up at the end of next season.
   7. DCA Posted: August 24, 2022 at 02:31 PM (#6093018)
Angels should just package Ohtani, Trout, and Rendon together, take the best offer, and start over with a clean slate.
   8. BDC Posted: August 24, 2022 at 02:37 PM (#6093021)
#5 will astonish you, no I guess it won't.
   9. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 24, 2022 at 03:31 PM (#6093038)
It must be a profoundly miserable experience to be an Angels fan where you get to see two absolute superstars (Ohtani and Trout) be completely wasted on #### teams and organizational disarray season after season.

You said it, and I think I've rooted for the Angels for exactly seven games in my entire life.

I see the Mets and the Yankees on that list, but I thought Ohtani didn't want to play for any East Coast team.

That being the case, I'm rooting for a miracle and hoping he lands on the A's or the Mariners.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 24, 2022 at 04:16 PM (#6093055)
Some of the names being tossed around in that excerpt are a bit absurd. You're trading for one year of Ohtani plus an exclusive negotiating window to pay him $40+ M a year. That's not worth the #1 prospect in the game, just wait for him to be an FA. The Dodgers gave up a pretty nice package and ate extra money for Mookie; 2+ years of a 23-yo Soto just went for mlb.com's #23 prospect plus two former top prospects in Abrams and Gore, both still more than young enough to turn into good players. Something in that range is what we should expect for Ohtani.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 24, 2022 at 04:18 PM (#6093056)
I thought Ohtani didn't want to play for any East Coast team.
That was his position when he first signed, but his experience may changed his outlook. I don’t believe he’s addressed the question recently, and probably won’t unless he’s a free agent.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 24, 2022 at 04:36 PM (#6093058)
That was his position when he first signed, but his experience may changed his outlook. I don’t believe he’s addressed the question recently, and probably won’t unless he’s a free agent.

Even if it's true he'd be dumb to say it.
   13. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 24, 2022 at 05:56 PM (#6093078)
Even if it's true he'd be dumb to say it.
Why? He already did it once. Ohtani's already set for life, and his obsession appears to be wholly with baseball, not money. Besides, even if he told every team east of the Rocky Mountains to go pound sand, a bidding war between the Dodgers and Angels alone would break the bank.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 24, 2022 at 06:04 PM (#6093082)
Why? He already did it once. Ohtani's already set for life, and his obsession appears to be wholly with baseball, not money. Besides, even if he told every team east of the Rocky Mountains to go pound sand, a bidding war between the Dodgers and Angels alone would break the bank.

He's made $9.5M, he's hardly rolling in it.

In any case, why would you shut off any offers? If you get the Yankees to make a stupid offer, you can get you preferred team to offer you 90% of stupid.
   15. Hank Gillette Posted: August 24, 2022 at 06:20 PM (#6093087)
He's made $9.5M, he's hardly rolling in it.
In my world, $9.5 million is rolling in it. And, he’ll be making $5.5 million more next year, at a minimum.

I know we are talking about a different world when it comes to MLB players, at least the ones who are good enough to make it to free agency (or even arbitration, for superstars).
   16. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 24, 2022 at 09:38 PM (#6093116)
He's made $9.5M, he's hardly rolling in it.
He's projected to make between $20 and $25 million in endorsements this year alone. This doesn't count how much he's made in the previous three years here, and ignores the $3 million or so he made in salary playing in Japan as well as his pre-2019 endorsements. Add that to his $9.5 in MLB salary, and .... yeah, he's fine.

In any case, why would you shut off any offers?
I wouldn't, but Ohtani has already done it once when he came to the states. Who knows if he'll do it again? It's just notable that he HAS done it, which means he might well do it again.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 24, 2022 at 10:26 PM (#6093119)
He's projected to make between $20 and $25 million in endorsements this year alone. This doesn't count how much he's made in the previous three years here, and ignores the $3 million or so he made in salary playing in Japan as well as his pre-2019 endorsements. Add that to his $9.5 in MLB salary, and .... yeah, he's fine.

He's fine, but in a world where players are signing $300M deals, he's practically middle class.
   18. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 25, 2022 at 02:39 AM (#6093145)
He's fine, but in a world where players are signing $300M deals, he's practically middle class.
Do you really think his next contract won't hit $350M if the Yankees aren't in the bidding?
   19. John Reynard Posted: August 25, 2022 at 03:37 AM (#6093147)
Why does everyone think the Yankees will be the leading suitor. I'd expect the Mets and Dodgers to both easily clear the offer the Yankees make. Why do you think Hal Steinbrenner got booed on Paul O'Neil day?

I semi-expect Judge to leave too, though I think he will not perform as well away from the Yankees as he has for them. The Yankees would be foolish not to make a good offer to Judge. But, I just don't see them being the top offer.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: August 25, 2022 at 07:58 AM (#6093155)
I wouldn't, but Ohtani has already done it once when he came to the states. Who knows if he'll do it again? It's just notable that he HAS done it, which means he might well do it again.


I don't believe snapper is suggesting he can't do it, just that if he's at all interested in maximizing his next deal (which most guys seem to be), then publicly shutting off an entire area of the country is not the way to go about it.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 25, 2022 at 08:47 AM (#6093163)
I don't believe snapper is suggesting he can't do it, just that if he's at all interested in maximizing his next deal (which most guys seem to be), then publicly shutting off an entire area of the country is not the way to go about it.

Correct. And even if he doesn't care about the extra $100M, surely there's a charity he cares about that could use $100M? Why give a gift to a billionaire?
   22. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: August 25, 2022 at 12:45 PM (#6093212)
Do you really think his next contract won't hit $350M if the Yankees aren't in the bidding?


Don't you mean "if the Yankees ARE in the bidding"?
   23. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 25, 2022 at 02:32 PM (#6093234)
I don't believe snapper is suggesting he can't do it, just that if he's at all interested in maximizing his next deal (which most guys seem to be), then publicly shutting off an entire area of the country is not the way to go about it.


Isn't the reason for that because of the comparative distance to Japan? The west coast is closer to Japan than the east coast, making travel easier. I don't think it's a question of money, just convenience to his friends, family, and Japanese tourists who would make seeing him play part of their vacation plans.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: August 25, 2022 at 03:24 PM (#6093245)
Isn't the reason for that because of the comparative distance to Japan? The west coast is closer to Japan than the east coast, making travel easier. I don't think it's a question of money, just convenience to his friends, family, and Japanese tourists who would make seeing him play part of their vacation plans.


I'm sure. And I think it's perfectly reasonable for Ohtani to have no desire to leave the west coast. I think more players would be wise to not just take the highest offer, but find the place they're most comfortable.

But for the purpose of negotiating the best contract, even if you yourself are going to limit your choices to a particular geographic area, it doesn't benefit you to publicly rule out a whole slew of potential bidders. That's snapper's point, and it's correct.

   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 25, 2022 at 03:36 PM (#6093249)
Isn't the reason for that because of the comparative distance to Japan?
Sure, but after a few years of repeatedly traveling to the east coast and back Ohtani might now look at it a bit differently. Or maybe he’ll just wait to see the offers before he decides how much that still matters. With the new MLB schedule, Ohtani will still be appearing regularly on the west coast even if he signs with an east coast team.
   26. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 25, 2022 at 03:37 PM (#6093250)
I don't believe snapper is suggesting he can't do it, just that if he's at all interested in maximizing his next deal (which most guys seem to be), then publicly shutting off an entire area of the country is not the way to go about it.
Right, and I'm saying that Ohtani's already shown that maximizing his salary isn't necessarily his primary interest. The first time around, he wanted a place that would let him both pitch and DH, he wanted to be geographically closer to Japan, and he wanted a place that had a significant Japanese-American presence. SoCal, NorCal, and Seattle all fit that mark now. A bidding war with just the West Coast teams alone would easily push Ohtani's contract over the $400 million mark. (Do people not think the Dodgers wouldn't pay that for him?)

Yes, he could possibly make more with more bidders. Literally no one is arguing the other side of that. It just wasn't his first consideration when he got drafted in Japan, it wasn't his first consideration when he came to the States, it's possible that it won't be his first consideration this time around. Even if it's not his first consideration this time around, his next contract is still going to be a mammoth one.
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 25, 2022 at 04:59 PM (#6093269)
Isn't the reason for that because of the comparative distance to Japan? The west coast is closer to Japan than the east coast, making travel easier. I don't think it's a question of money, just convenience to his friends, family, and Japanese tourists who would make seeing him play part of their vacation plans.

Non-stop from Tokyo to LA looks to be 10 hours. Non-stop to NY is 13. Is that really a meaningful difference? You're writing off most of a day either way.
   28. Ron J Posted: August 26, 2022 at 11:34 AM (#6093332)
#27 Yeah. An extra 3 hours on a plane is a pretty big deal to a lot of people.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 26, 2022 at 01:46 PM (#6093357)
Don’t think there’s much chance a sale is agreed to and finalized before Ohtani is a free agent. These things take a long time. Ohtani’s clock is up at the end of next season.
Sometimes, but not always. The Nationals went on the market shortly after Opening Day; the goal is reportedly to have the sale wrapped up by November. We’ll see how it works out.
   30. The Duke Posted: August 27, 2022 at 09:19 AM (#6093430)
27. If you are asking whether an already interminably long 10 flight is made worse by adding on another 30%, the answer is most certainly yes. Having made these flights all my life, especially to Australia and New Zealand, every hour counts

I don't miss not doing this any more . I will say if you do it, Singapore Air is the only way to go if you you can afford it
   31. Greg K Posted: August 27, 2022 at 10:59 AM (#6093436)
Those new Overture planes are supposed to do NY to London in 3 hours. Maybe Ohtani can get one of those in his contract.

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