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Friday, October 21, 2011
Imagine telling a lawyer she’s been traded for two promising law students. Or a salesman that he’s moving from a software company in Seattle to a tire company in Cleveland. In sports, it happens all the time. To find out how it’s done, we asked Ed Wade, general manager of the Houston Astros, and Frank Wren, his counterpart with the Atlanta Braves—as well as some of their scouts and players—to reconstruct a swap they made just before baseball’s July 31 trading deadline. The process begins with Wade realizing that his slumping Astros need to unload players such as star outfielder Hunter Pence and speedy center fielder Michael Bourn to build for the future.
This is an inside look at the negotiations between the Braves and Astros over Bourn. Very interesting stuff.
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1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 21, 2011 at 08:04 PM (#3970942)Anybody have any guesses as to who the mystery GM might be?
Steve Phillips.
This is Ed Wade we're talking about.
Instead, he should have said, "Even if I'm willing to give you middle relievers?"
You've got to know your audience and tailor your pitch.
Why not just use email on a smartphone?
It's a little faster and probably more importantly it's more direct. If you do email only, maybe the assistant GMs, who you don't have as much of a relationship with, are cc'ed on it.
I enjoy this in light of the other thread in which we are arguing about how much work being a GM is. Wade is probably right not to explore this deal after having agreed to another one, but it sure sounds like he didn't do it because he was ready to go home for the night. I mean, come on, it's 7 o'clock!
I'll laugh at Ed Wade as much as the next guy, but the teams had already agreed to the trade, they were waiting on the commissioner's office approval.
Text is great for this sort of thing. It has the immediacy and directness of a phone call while not being quite as intrusive. You don't catch someone on another line.
The other thing is it's a bit easier to read. I know with my iPhone I get text messages displayed without having to open the program, with e-mail I get a notification that I've received an e-mail but have to open the e-mail program to read it. Texting is essentially a non-verbal phone call.
Yeah, I gained a lot of respect for Wade on this one. He had an agreement in place and he honored that agreement.
Wade: DO U LIKE MIKE BOURNE
Wren: YES DO U LIKE JORDAN SCHAFFER
Wade: OMG YES
Voice calls are better for quick back-and-forth discussions and picking up hints and clues of what the other guy is thinking.
I expected a LOT more snark here about any article discussing Ed Wade. Hmph, live and learn.
Texts also give you plausible deniability. If a report about the trade discussion leaks to the media, you can claim with a totally straight face and clean conscience that you "haven't spoken" to anyone on the other team about a deal.
Eh, e-mail accomplishes the same goal.
Sure, but voice conversations don't. Which is why I brought it up.
I really hope some journalist sees this thread and when they get the "haven't spoken with" line they drop in a quick "and what about text messages?"
Braves: Wren – We sat down and talked through it with our scouts and I said, [Bourn] is the perfect fit for us.
Look at you, thinking that journalists do things like research and reading discussions on subjects.
I enjoy this in light of the other thread in which we are arguing about how much work being a GM is. Wade is probably right not to explore this deal after having agreed to another one, but it sure sounds like he didn't do it because he was ready to go home for the night. I mean, come on, it's 7 o'clock!
I'll take the fact that Wade was leaving at 7 PM one day before the trade deadline as strong support for my hypothesis that they don't need to work extreme hours.
Even I would have thought the week before the trade deadline would be all hands on deck til midnight.
Can a three year stretch be considered a "slump"?
On another note - Juan Abreu throws 101 mph now? I remember him in the Royals organization and I liked him but never really thought he was anything special and figured he woulda washed out by now. Did the Braves alter his delivery or something?
Very interesting article. I'm always interested in the human element - how do you tell the player you've traded him. What are the logistics of getting him to his new team, etc. Also agree its cool Wade kept his word, although I imagine its not that uncommon - if you screw someone over, you'll develop a bad rep and people won't want to deal with you. Reminds me of the Randy Johnson to the Jays deal that Pat Gillick couldn't do because he had to honor his Rickey Henderson deal with the A's that he pulled while Woody Woodward was golfing.
I'm not sure why Wade's getting such a free pass. It's great that he didn't try to renege on the deal, but how the hell did he not know there was another team interested in Bourn in the first place?
There are only 29 other teams and only a few buyers in late July, how hard can it be to lob in a call to each of them when you're moving a major piece?
We don't know all the circumstances here - maybe the other GM was blowing smoke or had a last minute change of heart - but there's a pretty good chance that Wade screwed up here.
He's leaving the office, not leaving work. How could you RTFA and not get that a GM is working wherever he is nowadays, as are many jobs. You are reachable 24/7.
Oh snapper, this is Ed Wade. This might not help your case at all.
Someone hasn't updated to iOS 5.
Let's be honest here. The Astros had two good players all season and he already traded one and the paperwork was going through on the other. He didn't have any players left that anyone wanted, so he had no reason to stick around.
The article clearly says that that was the first time the team showed any interest.
of course he just might could be lying to the reporter
So F***ing what? I have a work blackberry. I check my email periodically throughout the evening.
Most reasonably senior white collar workers do that in this day in age. That doesn't mean you have some unbearable workload.
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