Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, December 13, 2019

Angels make splash with Anthony Rendon, but they still have a big problem

Cutting to the chase:

The last time an Angels rotation collectively posted an ERA below 4.00 was in 2015. In 2019, that number was closer to 6.00 than 5.00.

Here are the Angels rotation ERAs and rankings over the last four seasons.

2016: 4.60 (20th)
2017: 4.38 (12th)
2018: 4.34 (18th)
2019: 5.64 (29th)

The Angels win totals during those seasons: 74, 80, 80 and 72. That means they have effectively wasted several of Trout’s prime seasons in large part because the rotation has been average to really bad. Despite what Rendon brings to the table, they are poised to continue wasting seasons if the rotation isn’t upgraded.

So, how would all of you fix this problem?

QLE Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:41 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, anthony rendon, pitching

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. cookiedabookie Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5908431)
Sign two of Bumgarner, Ryu, and Keuchel.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:51 AM (#5908435)
That means they have effectively wasted several of Trout’s prime seasons in large part because the rotation has been average to really bad.
Trade Trout for pitching. The rotation gets better, and they don't waste his prime years. Both problems solved!
   3. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5908444)
As I noted in another thread, Fangraphs projects the Angels for the 20th best rotation, very close to several other contending teams, such as the A's, Brewers, Twins, and Phillies, and near teams like the Rockies and Diamondbacks that actually have some recognizably good starters. I don't know if that projection is wrong (it does seem very optimistic about how healthy guys like Ohtani and Heaney will be) but if so, the rotation may not be quite the gangrenous limb that everyone's making it out to be. Of course that also suggests that the team won't be so easily improved merely by signing guys like Gio Gonzalez and Julio Teheran.

Unfortunately, every one of the teams listed above has a better bullpen than the Astros, and some of them are much better. Ultimately the Angels rank 22nd in projected overall pitching WAR, which is last among teams that may have a realistic shot at the playoffs, or second-last depending on how you feel about the White Sox.

But their position players are dynamite, tied for 2nd with the Dodgers, behind the Astros.
   4. JAHV Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5908459)
Heaney's innings totals since his first full season: 105, 6, 21, 180, 95. If they're projecting him for anything more than 100 innings, that seems optimistic.

The Angels' problem is that they have no prospects ready to step up whom we can project to be more than replacement level. Last year, the kids they were forced to call up couldn't even reach that level. I have hope that a combination of youth and the adjustments Doug White brought were the root causes, and that at least one of of the Barria, Sandoval, Suarez group can become a useful starter under Callaway. But if you don't assume that, an injury to any of their legitimate starters (Ohtani, Heaney, Canning, Bundy), much less two of them, means the Angels are in trouble, unless they bring in help.

I'd love to get Kluber and sign either Ryu or Keuchel (I think Bumgarner is the biggest bet to go south quickly outside of San Francisco). But I think getting one of those guys and then signing a couple of cheap, one-year, show-me deals is the way they'll have to go. I don't think they'll be able to get everything done that they'd ideally want to do. They still desperately need a catcher who knows which way to hold the bat.
   5. cookiedabookie Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5908464)
They still desperately need a catcher who knows which way to hold the bat.

Chirinos is still available
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5908468)
(I think Bumgarner is the biggest bet to go south quickly outside of San Francisco)
If he does that, he'll get to Anaheim later that day.
   7. Rally Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5908472)
Sign two of Bumgarner, Ryu, and Keuchel.


Doesn't seem likely, as there are other teams desperate for pitching out there (or the Dodgers, who are not desperate but have a ton of money and collect good pitchers just to have depth).

I hope they sign one of those guys, doesn't seem realistic to get two. Hope the Ohtani return is successful, and try to upgrade one more spot mid-season.
   8. base ball chick Posted: December 13, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5908482)
i'm surprised they didn't put out for cole seeing as how they need pitching more than hitting, but
shrug
so be it

and don't be silly about trading mike trout "so he can go to a Winner"

he likes it in ell lay, win or not
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5908496)
and don't be silly about trading mike trout "so he can go to a Winner"
Come on, I was totally joking. Poorly.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5908501)
Come on, I was totally joking. Poorly.
You went too far, exactly like Hitler.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5908514)
You went too far, exactly like Hitler.
Yes, I admit it. I am like Hitler.
   12. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 13, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5908523)
Trade Trout for pitching. The rotation gets better, and they don't waste his prime years. Both problems solved!


Price and Eovaldi maybe? Trout does have a pretty hefty contract to consider.
   13. SandyRiver Posted: December 13, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5908545)
Trade Trout for pitching. The rotation gets better, and they don't waste his prime years. Both problems solved!

Somebody just read "Gift of the Magi."
   14. Shredder Posted: December 13, 2019 at 06:13 PM (#5908600)
This is like the 20th stupid article I've seen on this subject since the Rendon signing. Nobody who pays any attention to the Angels doesn't already realize that they need pitching. But it's also true that their problems at third base would probably be the biggest problem on 25+ other major league teams, so the Rendon signing wasn't simply "we have a bunch of money and need to make a big splash". The fact that they have glaring weaknesses elsewhere does not mean the Rendon signing didn't also plug a glaring hole.
Come on, I was totally joking. Poorly.
I thought it was funny.

   15. Shredder Posted: December 13, 2019 at 06:27 PM (#5908602)
From the comments in this article:
Not anyone's fault they chose to waste 20 million combined on Matt Harvey and Trevor Cahill last offseason. Is anyone actually surprised they both flopped?
Who cares? They were one year deals. Gambles that could have paid off nicely, but didn't, and had absolutely no long term impact on the franchise. If they don't pay Harvey and Cahill, that money ends up in Arte's bank account, so why should any fan care? The only way they were going to compete last year was to put some money on some longshots and hope they paid off. I was in favor of signing Keuchel last year, but he apparently wanted a lot more than anyone wanted to pay, and probably wasn't worth the draft compensation.

With regard to MadBum, is there any chance he goes to an AL team? I wouldn't think so, but maybe he said he'd be OK with it.
   16. caspian88 Posted: December 13, 2019 at 08:31 PM (#5908614)
He can DH on days Ohtani isn't.
   17. bobm Posted: December 14, 2019 at 08:06 AM (#5908662)
Somebody just read "Gift of the Magi."

Always overlooked in that story: her hair grows back; his watch does not.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

News

All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand


BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
A triple short of the cycle
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogRob Manfred offers little insight, shows contempt for reporters in press conference
(64 - 2:14am, Feb 18)
Last: Jay Z

NewsblogHow will the Red Sox market a Mookie-less team? - The Boston Globe
(45 - 1:28am, Feb 18)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogAstros’ Dusty Baker begs MLB to protect players from cheating retaliation
(22 - 1:16am, Feb 18)
Last: ReggieThomasLives

NewsblogOT - Soccer Thread - January, 2020
(567 - 11:44pm, Feb 17)
Last: AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther

NewsblogHow a rookie middle infielder could be the most interesting player in Giants camp
(3 - 10:15pm, Feb 17)
Last: Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

NewsblogRosenthal: Carlos Correa rips Bellinger, passionately defends Altuve and says the Astros deserve their 2017 title – The Athletic
(69 - 9:55pm, Feb 17)
Last: Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-17-2020
(13 - 9:26pm, Feb 17)
Last: JJ1986

NewsblogPederson, Stripling back to work with Dodgers after no trade
(5 - 9:08pm, Feb 17)
Last: Dock Ellis

NewsblogSABR announces 2020 Henry Chadwick Award recipients
(7 - 9:07pm, Feb 17)
Last: Cblau

NewsblogAgainst the Astros and their reputation, suspicious Nationals felt they had to assume the worst
(7 - 9:06pm, Feb 17)
Last: ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

NewsblogBlue Jays legend Fernandez dies at 57
(19 - 7:44pm, Feb 17)
Last: blueshaker

NewsblogOT - NBA Thread 2020
(1364 - 6:51pm, Feb 17)
Last: aberg

NewsblogBen Zobrist Reportedly Not Planning To Play In 2020
(34 - 6:22pm, Feb 17)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogOT - Catch-All Pop Culture Extravaganza (February 2020)
(96 - 3:44pm, Feb 17)
Last: gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant

NewsblogPosnanski: Baseball 100 Rules
(605 - 1:24pm, Feb 17)
Last: Steve Parris, Je t'aime

Page rendered in 0.2903 seconds
46 querie(s) executed