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Angels promote Ben Joyce, 2022 draft pick with triple-digit fastball velocity, to majors for MLB debut

The Los Angeles Angels have promoted right-handed reliever Ben Joyce from Double-A to the majors, the team announced Sunday. Joyce will replace veteran lefty Matt Moore on the active roster after Moore suffered a strained oblique.

Joyce, 22, was selected by the Angels in the third round of the 2022 draft. He had gained national acclaim, or at least as much as a collegiate reliever can, during his time at Tennessee by pumping triple-digit-velocity heaters. Here’s what CBS Sports wrote about him last summer, all the while noting that he “would seem to be one of the safest bets to become the first player from this class to reach the majors.”

Joyce has a monster fastball and slider, with 43 of the former checking in at 100 mph or above during the NCAA tournament. (He topped out at, um, 105 mph during the regular season.) His heater also features good rise and is delivered from a lower arm slot, a sought-after combination these days. Teams who attempt to quantify stuff—i.e., all of them—are going to have trouble containing their excitement at what Joyce brings to the table. He’s on here anyway because there’s never been a consensus on how early is too early to take a reliever, and because teams will have drastically different timetables on when they’d expect him to reach the majors. Keep in mind, he’s thrown just 32 innings over the last two seasons due to his role and his past Tommy John surgery. A team who thinks he could reach the majors soon, perhaps even this year, might be tempted to draft him earlier than anyone else would entertain.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 29, 2023 at 05:13 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: May 29, 2023 at 05:41 PM (#6130615)
Pretty crazy that he was drafted only a year ago and he isn't even the first one from that draft class to make his MLB debut a year later (Zach Neto).
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 29, 2023 at 06:43 PM (#6130629)
The Angels are doing some crazy aggressive promotion with their minor leaguers and I am here for it.
   3. DCA Posted: May 29, 2023 at 08:27 PM (#6130638)
13 walks in 15.2 innings in AA. And 12 runs. Hasn't been to AAA yet. This doesn't seem wise.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: May 29, 2023 at 08:28 PM (#6130639)
Unless he's quite hittable, seems like a guy like this should probably go higher than 3rd round. I certainly get not being excited about relievers and that teams over-value them (IMO) but a guy who's virtually guaranteed to make the majors and fill a role you value for at least a few years? In the 3rd round? That sounds like the sort of thing I'd sign up for.

Just looking at R3 of the 2012 draft, the leading WAR is -- well I'll be -- Edwin Diaz with 10. He's well in front of C Tom Murphy at 4 and OF Andrew Toles at 2 is the only other guy who's made any sort of impact. And it looks like the other guys with a smidgen of positive WAR are all relievers (or at least Ps I've never heard of). Only 13 of 33 picks made the majors, just 8 with positive WAR. As it went, the 35 picks in the 2nd round weren't really much better with Alex Wood way in front on 13 WAR then a few guys in the 2-4 range including a couple of relievers (although of course maybe minor-league SPs).

Note, the number of picks per "round" has changed a lot between 2012 and 2022 such that, in terms of overall draft slot, the 2022 3rd round is more like from the middleof the 2012 2nd to middle of the 2012 3rd but, as I just showed, at least in 2012 that's not an impressive haul of talent. So give me a guy I'm nearly certain will contribute in the majors unless my scouts and data nerds can convince me there's some big upside (but far riskier) kid there to be picked.
   5. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 29, 2023 at 11:06 PM (#6130694)
Joyce's first night: 1 IP, 1 hit (groundball single), 2 strikeouts. 12 pitches, 10 strikes. 11 of the pitches were over 100 MPH.
   6. Shredder Posted: May 30, 2023 at 12:13 AM (#6130699)
13 walks in 15.2 innings in AA.
They're using a new ball in AA and the results are totally screwy. Really bad idea by MLB, actually, but there are some mediocre arms who are lights out with the new ball, and some really good arms who just can't figure it out. Really means AA numbers are entirely meaningless this year for pitchers.

Supposed to be more tacky, as MLB wants to get away from pitchers tacking up the ball themselves, which is dumb. I you're conceding that the pitchers need some extra grip, let the pitchers themselves decide how tacky they want the ball to be. Don't start with an overly tacky ball that pitchers who want a less tacky ball can't adjust to.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 30, 2023 at 01:16 AM (#6130704)

Unless he's quite hittable, seems like a guy like this should probably go higher than 3rd round


He had Tommy John surgery in college, only pitched one year at Tennessee, and was exclusively a reliever - he pitched a total of 32 innings in his NCAA career. BA ranked him #105 going into the draft.
   8. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: May 30, 2023 at 07:14 AM (#6130711)
triple-digit fastball

Well, a triple-digit fastball is hardly unusual these days. Call me when somebody has a quadruple-digit fastball!
   9. . . . . . . Posted: May 30, 2023 at 07:20 AM (#6130712)
Joyce hasn’t had any idea where the ball is going since college - high effort mechanics, sort of a slinger, and if you hear him talk he’s a 10-cent head. His velocity will let him pitch in MLB until his arm pops but I suspect hell just be a guy.
   10. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: May 30, 2023 at 11:25 AM (#6130740)
Joyce's first night: 1 IP, 1 hit (groundball single), 2 strikeouts. 12 pitches, 10 strikes. 11 of the pitches were over 100 MPH.


I don't know if you watched his debut, but my son and I were going crazy - he threw two 100+ fastballs right on the outside corner; the hitter never had a chance. Then he threw a rather pedestrian-looking slider that got whacked into left center for a single and we just screamed at the TV to throw the dumb fastball (although I couldn't tell you if the slider was called by the catcher or the coach). Joyce promptly threw nine 100+ fastballs in a row, most of them right by the hitters. I know that eventually guys will catch up to any fastball, but seriously, throw the 100 mph fastball until they prove they can hit it.
   11. Shredder Posted: May 30, 2023 at 11:40 AM (#6130741)
Joyce promptly threw nine 100+ fastballs in a row, most of them right by the hitters. I know that eventually guys will catch up to any fastball, but seriously, throw the 100 mph fastball until they prove they can hit it.
I don't know if it's a guy that was just hitting the wrong button, or if the Sox use some kind of technology to tell you what type of pitch was thrown, but their system kept calling his 100 mph pitches sinkers.
   12. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: May 30, 2023 at 11:50 AM (#6130743)
I don't know if it's a guy that was just hitting the wrong button, or if the Sox use some kind of technology to tell you what type of pitch was thrown, but their system kept calling his 100 mph pitches sinkers.


I shouldn't be wading into this since I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm pretty sure that whatever system tracks the location and speed of the pitch is also tracking its movement. I assume that the system is preprogrammed to label the pitch types based on their speed and horizontal/vertical movement. So a pitch thrown at 100 MPH is clearly a fastball of some type - either a 4-seamer or a 2-seamer, which are usually labelled as sinkers. If it's got arm-side horizontal movement and a certain amount of downward movement, it would be automatically labeled a sinker. His pitches did have a bit of movement to them, so it's not a true straight 4-seam fastball. Maybe that's why they were called sinkers.
   13. Shredder Posted: May 30, 2023 at 12:35 PM (#6130753)
His pitches did have a bit of movement to them, so it's not a true straight 4-seam fastball. Maybe that's why they were called sinkers.
Yeah, I wasn't really clear, but if it's a tracking system, and it's moving enough to be labeled a sinker, and it's hitting the strike zone, and it's going over 100 MPH, that's gonna be tough to hit.
   14. sotapop Posted: May 30, 2023 at 04:49 PM (#6130808)
Wasn't Ben Joyce the guy... Oh, yeah. He was.

The central pitcher in possibly the worst blown no-hitter of all time. So bad that they kept the no-hitter and still lost 7-5.

Yes, walks were involved.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: May 30, 2023 at 04:54 PM (#6130810)
He had Tommy John surgery in college, only pitched one year at Tennessee, and was exclusively a reliever - he pitched a total of 32 innings in his NCAA career. BA ranked him #105 going into the draft.

Fair enough.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: June 01, 2023 at 01:17 AM (#6131006)
Well, a triple-digit fastball is hardly unusual these days. Call me when somebody has a quadruple-digit fastball!


To be fair, he threw 105.5 mph in college.
   17. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: June 01, 2023 at 08:39 AM (#6131028)
their system kept calling his 100 mph pitches sinkers.


The Red Sox broadcast does this, too.
   18. DCA Posted: June 01, 2023 at 11:21 AM (#6131046)
The central pitcher in possibly the worst blown no-hitter of all time.

I don't know. He walked 4 and blew the save, but I think the next guy who hit 4 of the 6 batters he faced and let in the ultimate deciding runs has a pretty good case as well.

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