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Saturday, April 08, 2006

AP: Wells gives up seven runs in rehab start

David Wells was hit hard in a rehab start for Triple-A Pawtucket, giving up seven runs and six hits in five innings Friday night.
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Wells gave up home runs to Gookie Dawkins and Yurendell de Caster and two-run doubles by de Caster and Paulino. After catcher Ronny Paulino ripped a two-run double up the gap in right-center field in the fifth, Wells heard the boos.

“Obviously, they were expecting a shutout, but, sorry, my bad,” he said.

The always-quotable David Wells strikes again :)

NTNgod Posted: April 08, 2006 at 02:59 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dr. Vaux Posted: April 08, 2006 at 04:05 AM (#1947735)
Well, it's not exactly wrong to expect one of the best major-league pitchers of the past twenty years to pitch effectively against a AAA lineup. That said, it's still spring training for him. That said, it's still going to be spring training for him when he faces Toronto next week. Say hello to another immediately bloated ERA. What pitcher in 2006 doesn't have one? (Yes, I know a few don't, but a lot more do.)
   2. Law Boy Posted: April 08, 2006 at 04:47 AM (#1947873)
It might help if he had a salad now and then.
   3. Justin T's pasta pass was not revoked Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:20 AM (#1948141)
Yurendell de Caster?
   4. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:34 AM (#1948182)
This is because David Wells is one of the more overrated pitchers in recent memory, largely because he has spent most of his career with either the Yankees or the Red Sox. When he's been elsewhere, he's been mediocre and unheard from.
   5. ekogan Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:37 AM (#1948188)
<homer>Jelly donut salad. Mmm.... with sprinkles!</boomer>
   6. ekogan Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:39 AM (#1948197)
On a serious note, Terry Francona said that Wells plays up (or down) to the level of his competition, so Boomer probably wasn't trying his best in a minor league game.
   7. NTNgod Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:43 AM (#1948205)
There is no excuse for giving up a home run to Gookie Dawkins.
   8. CraigK Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:47 AM (#1948214)
Wells gave up home runs to Gookie Dawkins and Yurendell de Caster

THIS Gookie Dawkins?

THIS GOOKIE DAWKINS?
   9. ekogan Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:47 AM (#1948215)
This is because David Wells is one of the more overrated pitchers in recent memory, largely because he has spent most of his career with either the Yankees or the Red Sox. When he's been elsewhere, he's been mediocre and unheard from.


David Wells is old-school. David Wells is someone that anyone can relate to since he looks and sounds exactly like that loudmouth jerk in your local bar.

Of course on this here newfangled Interweb people can't appreciate that. Here they probably prefer Schilling, who looks and sounds like that loudmouth jerk at your local D&D game.
   10. RichRifkin Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:49 AM (#1948222)
"largely because he has spent most of his career with either the Yankees or the Red Sox. When he's been elsewhere, he's been mediocre and unheard from."

Wells pitched most of his career for Toronto, not New York or Boston. And he was good (though not always great) for all of his teams. Here are his ERA+ numbers when he was not on the Red Sox or Yankees:

1987 -- TOR 113
1989 -- TOR 157
1990 -- TOR 126
1991 -- TOR 114
1993 -- DET 103
1994 -- DET 123
1995 -- DET 158
1995 -- CIN 114
1999 -- TOR 102
2000 -- TOR 121
2001 -- CWS 103
2004 -- SDP 108
   11. RichRifkin Posted: April 08, 2006 at 06:50 AM (#1948226)
Wells won't go to the Hall of Fame. But he's certainly had a very nice career.
   12. Law Boy Posted: April 08, 2006 at 07:08 AM (#1948253)
I agree that Wells had a good career, so good in fact, that it's reasonable to think he might have been capable of a Hall of Fame career if he had kept himself in shape.
   13. MM1f Posted: April 08, 2006 at 07:09 AM (#1948255)
How do you even go about getting taken yard by Gookie?

Someone asked about Yurendell, hes a AAAA type with some pop and versatility, but he recently went totally apeshat all over the Domincan (or was it Venezulan) winter league. Put up crazy huge numbers against good players
   14. MM1f Posted: April 08, 2006 at 07:11 AM (#1948257)
Also, people freaking out about this one start. Even a healthy, ready big league pitcher would be due for some weak games if he pitched in AAA
   15. Urban Faber Posted: April 08, 2006 at 07:38 AM (#1948272)
David Wells and rehab just don't go together.
   16. NTNgod Posted: April 08, 2006 at 07:43 AM (#1948281)
but he recently went totally apeshat all over the Domincan (or was it Venezulan) winter league. Put up crazy huge numbers against good players

It was VZ; that was also the same league that Jose Macias won the batting title this past winter.
   17. Dr. Vaux Posted: April 08, 2006 at 08:54 AM (#1948306)
it's reasonable to think he might have been capable of a Hall of Fame career if he had kept himself in shape.

Actually, there's some evidence that fat pitchers are less susceptible to serious injury than thinner pitchers, and last longer.
   18. Law Boy Posted: April 08, 2006 at 01:33 PM (#1948342)
I'm not only referering to the issue of Wells's weight. I was thinking more in terms of how his career might have been different if he had followed, for example, a conditioning regimen similar to that of Roger Clemens, a point that was made by some when they were teammates on the Yankees.
   19. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: April 09, 2006 at 01:32 PM (#1950382)
Well, it's not exactly wrong to expect one of the best major-league pitchers of the past twenty years to pitch effectively against a AAA lineup.

The 40 best pitchers, ranked by RSAA, 1986-2005:

1 Roger Clemens 685
2 Greg Maddux 553
3 Randy Johnson 528
4 Pedro Martinez 509
5 Curt Schilling 314
6 Tom Glavine 308
7 Kevin Brown 304
8 Mike Mussina 292
9 John Smoltz 274
10 David Cone 228
11 Kevin Appier 225
12 Chuck Finley 203
13 Mariano Rivera 202
14 Bret Saberhagen 199
T15 Jimmy Key 188
T15 Tim Hudson 188
17 Andy Pettitte 177
18 Frank Viola 161
19 Dennis Martinez 158
20 Brad Radke 149
21 Jose Rijo 144
22 Mark Buehrle 138
23 Roy Oswalt 137
24 Billy Wagner 135
T25 Barry Zito 132
T25 David Wells 132
27 Tom Gordon 128
T28 Mark Eichhorn 127
T28 Roy Halladay 127
T30 Roberto Hernandez 125
T30 Johan Santana 125
T30 Bartolo Colon 125
T33 Kenny Rogers 121
T33 John Franco 121
35 Tom Henke 120
T36 John Wetteland 119
T36 Doug Jones 119
T36 Steve Reed 119
39 Mike Timlin 116
40 Mike Jackson 115
   20. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: April 09, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#1950391)
And, just in case you were wondering...

T1 Bobby Witt -130
T1 Kevin Jarvis -130
3 Jose Lima -126
4 Jimmy Haynes -120
5 Todd Van Poppel -118
6 Mark Gardner -109
7 Jaime Navarro -107
8 Jason Bere -90
9 Andy Hawkins -89
10 Terry Mulholland -88
11 Willie Blair -84
12 Shawn Estes -82
T13 Brian Williams -81
T13 Shawn Boskie -81
15 Tim Leary -77
16 Scott Aldred -74
T17 Jimmy Jones -73
T17 Pat Mahomes -73
T19 Rob Bell -72
T19 Ruben Quevedo -72
T19 Walt Terrell -72
T19 Glendon Rusch -72
T23 Sean Bergman -70
T23 Brian Meadows -70
T25 Jeff Ballard -69
T25 Pete Smith -69
T27 Sterling Hitchcock -68
T27 Jeff Robinson -68
T27 Jim Bullinger -68
30 Ryan Dempster -67
31 James Baldwin -65
T32 Allen Watson -64
T32 Jimmy Anderson -64
T34 Ron Darling -63
T34 Ryan Rupe -63
T34 Jesus Sanchez -63
T34 Jason Johnson -63
T34 Dan Petry -63
T34 Omar Olivares -63
T40 Paul Wilson -62
T40 Don Wengert -62

Witt and Jarvis are tied for fourth-worst all time:

1 Kid Carsey -176
2 Herm Wehmeier -161
3 John Coleman -142
T4 Bobby Witt -130
T4 Kevin Jarvis -130

6 Mike Kekich -127
7 Jose Lima -126
8 Bert Cunningham -125
9 Stump Wiedman -122
10 Jimmy Haynes -120

Yes, that Mike Kekich, the guy who traded his wife and kids.

Meanwhile, Jarvis -- who has caused a breathtaking amount of damage in just 752.2 big league innings -- isn't on Arizona's Opening Day roster. Hopefully, though, the D-Backs will give him the opportunity to add to his legend...
   21. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: April 09, 2006 at 03:11 PM (#1950416)
Yes, that Mike Kekich, the guy who traded his wife and kids.

Wasn't Kekich the loser of that trade? Brian Sabean to Fritz Peterson's Terry Ryan, as it were. I wish Transaction Oracle would run a piece on it.

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