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APNewsBreak: Cubs-Cards set for London on June 13-14 in 2020

NEW YORK (AP) — The Chicago Cubs and St. Louis Cardinals are set to play at London next season in a two-game series at West Ham’s Olympic Stadium on June 13 and 14.

St. Louis will be the home team for both games, according to a draft of the 2020 preliminary schedule obtained by The Associated Press.

Chicago will be at Philadelphia from June 8-10, then has a pair of off days. The Cubs will be off June 15 and then start a homestand at Wrigley Field against the New York Mets and Boston Red Sox.

“I’ve had experience traveling over there and the time difference is pretty dramatic, especially when you go that way,” Cubs manager Joe Maddon said Wednesday. “When you come back, you’re always able to catch up, when you’re going back in time as opposed to forward in time. I don’t even know what to expect in something like that. You know your head’s going to be swimming a little bit, you’ve got that brain fog, you just do.”

My advance apology to all Londoners for subjecting you to the Cardinals, much less as a home team….

 

QLE Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:23 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cardinals, cubs, london, neutral site games

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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5846762)
So we're going to all meet out there for this, right?
   2. SoSH U at work Posted: May 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5846766)
I’ve had experience traveling over there and the time difference is pretty dramatic, especially when you go that way,” Cubs manager Joe Maddon said Wednesday. “When you come back, you’re always able to catch up, when you’re going back in time as opposed to forward in time."


If that's true, it would be nothing to worry about. If the real negative is felt going there, you're fortunately playing a team dealing with the same circumstances.

   3. . Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:07 AM (#5846770)
This is a really stupid idea, but it would be minimized if, say, Chelsea and Arsenal played a game at Red Bull Arena or Giants Stadium. (One major difference of course is that there's a marketplace for soccer in the United States, but not a stitch of one for baseball in England.)
   4. . Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5846773)
If that's true, it would be nothing to worry about.


Of course it's true. I couldn't imagine flying to Europe from the American Middle West and then playing a game the next day. (No, I didn't read TFA to see if it was the next day. If there's a built-in extra jet lag day, it just further points out the inanity of the entire enterprise.)
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5846774)
No, I didn't read TFA to see if it was the next day.
Or even the excerpt, apparently.
   6. Swedish Chef Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5846775)
They shouldn't even try to adapt to the time zone, just eat breakfast at three and think of it as a day game (I assume they will play in the evening so it will be on at a normal time in the states).
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5846776)
Of course it's true. I couldn't imagine flying to Europe from the American Middle West and then playing a game the next day.


The point is, both teams are operating under the same circumstances. It would be a problem to go play the London Callings at West Ham. But playing the St. Louis Cardinals doesn't result in a competitive edge for either team. And if you're not affected coming back, as Maddon says, again, it's nothing to worry about (from the standpoint of how it will affect the team's performance).
   8. . Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5846778)
The point is, both teams are operating under the same circumstances. It would be a problem to go play the London Callings at West Ham. But playing the St. Louis Cardinals doesn't result in a competitive edge for either team.


That's one point, to be sure. My point was that it's stupid to have two jet-lagged teams playing baseball in a jerry-rigged stadium in London. It would be bad enough if it was like Marlins-Padres or something, where no one gives a ####, but to move a real rivalry series out of Chicago or St. Louis is just comically ridiculous.

Your game is not going to export, Manfred -- particularly in its present form. Give it up. American football has a hard time outside its geographic comfort zone. Baseball? No chance.
   9. . Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5846781)
London Irish moved a home match with Saracens to Red Bull Arena a couple/three years back. I took my son, we had a fine time.

But of course rugby is something that you can kind of look at and say -- yeah, that makes sense.(*) For baseball to work, it has to be a part of your youth. If it started from scratch today, it would go bankrupt.

(*) A few decades from now, you could actually see American football becoming rugby-esque if the CTE problems persist.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5846783)
But playing the St. Louis Cardinals doesn't result in a competitive edge for either team.


All involved in baseball are obviously impervious to this logic.

"A pitch clock would ruin my routine. I need to get ready."
"But it would also ruin the pitcher's routine, so you'd be on equal ground."
"But it would ruin my routine."
   11. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5846792)
So we're going to all meet out there for this, right?

I am going to try and make sure I'm out there for work then. So hope everyone can join me.

If that's true, it would be nothing to worry about. If the real negative is felt going there, you're fortunately playing a team dealing with the same circumstances.

For me, it's always worse going there than it is coming back. I'm a real mess for a day or so, but I don't even get to fly business class.
   12. manchestermets Posted: May 30, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5846800)
I assume they will play in the evening so it will be on at a normal time in the states


The games in London next month (or at any rate the one I'm going to on the Sunday) starts at 3 in the afternoon London time.

I think they'll be fine. I suffer when flying eastbound across the Atlantic because I can't sleep sitting up in an economy seat. If I had one of the fancy schmancy first class seats that turns into a bed I'm sure I'd be fine, and with a completely free day (I'm assuming they'll fly out the evening of the 10th to arrive in London on the morning of the 11th) after that to readjust they should be fine. After my recent trip I flew home on Friday night, got essentially no sleep before arriving Saturday morning and I was fine for work on the Monday.

Anyway, NL here next year, that's good. I'll be interested to see how quickly they can sell these tickets, the Cardinals, if not the Cubs won't have anything like the solid base of ex-pat support in London that the Yankees and Red Sox do.
   13. Zonk Has Two Faces, Both Laughing Posted: May 30, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5846805)
I am going to try and make sure I'm out there for work then. So hope everyone can join me.


Actually, I've got a standing quarterly I'm heading to next week that will almost certainly fall around the same time next year (and as a track lead on the project in question, I think I can probably form next year's around this date).... so... I believe there's a good chance I will try to hoist a pint to the 2019 WS champs next year in London.... I'll be across the channel, but detouring/extending/pre-travel ought to make this quite doable, with airfare on the boss!
   14. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 30, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5846838)
there's a marketplace for soccer in the United States

#lolMLS
   15. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5846847)
So we're going to all meet out there for this, right?


BBTF cricket game at Hyde Park?
   16. Brian C Posted: May 30, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5846848)
Sounds fun but for some reason seeing the Blackhawks in Prague this fall (which I won't get to do) sounds like way more fun. Something about baseball in London just sounds off to me, but hockey in Prague sounds freaking awesome.
   17. Spahn Insane Posted: May 30, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5846934)
Perhaps because hockey's the most popular sport in the Czech Republic, so it'll have less of an exhibition-y feel to it than baseball games in London.
   18. Omineca Greg Posted: May 30, 2019 at 07:39 PM (#5846953)
I think it's kind of bullshit that MLB isn't looking out for the pagans on the Cubs and the Cardinals. Not the "Pagáns", the Cubs haven't had any of those in awhile, the "pagans", you know, Stonehenge and all that. Stonehenge's Inner Circle is only open to the public on the Solstices, and I think it would have been easy to have the series in London just one week later so the pagans on the teams would be able to take in a very important event in their worldview. Let's face it, Baseball being played in the Summer is hard on the pagans; how many players have been on the road for Beltane, not been able to make sweet love with their partner on the front lawn thereby blessing it with fertility, and then having to hire all sorts of horticultural specialists to bring their grass up to the neighbourhood standard? (Assuming baseball players live in pagan neighbourhoods, which seems like a fairly safe bet; if I could afford it, I would too, but unfortunately I'm not a big time baseball player, so I guess I'll just have to wait for my neighbourhood to gentrify. I see Wicker Man is always out at the local video store, which on the one hand is a good sign that our vicinity may be going pagan, but it's also a bad sign in that most pagans should have heard of Netflix or video streaming or whatever by now. Maybe they're Luddite pagans? I hope so, those are the best kind! And if I lived in a pagan neighbourhood nobody would have called the cops on us last May 1st, my lady and I aren't pagans (well I'm a kind of pagan, but not that kind) but there's no way I'm buying a broadcast spreader, that ####'s expensive, especially when I can spread her and then broadcast, if you get what I'm saying, which is not only free (except for the fine and how much you want to value your community service time at thanks to our not very interdenominational neighbours. I never call the cops when that fat dude breaks into everybody's else by sliding down the chimney, and that ####### egg bunny is huge and running loose like that, but I'm live and let live), but also a lot of fun.)

Anyway...

Beltane, Lughnasadh, Mabon, all those holidays happen during the season, and sure you could ask skip for the day off, but think about. Mabon is September 21st, imagine you're pagan and your team is in a tight pennant race, it would really force you to choose between the two things you love...I'm not saying we need to bend over backwards, after all these pagans knew the deal when they got into it, and they are rewarded handsomely for playing a game (I do feel bad that the World Series goes past Samhain now, it used to be that even if your team went all the way, you could count on being home for Samhain...

I'll be home for Samhain (home for Samhain)
You can count on this old fool (this old fool)
Oh please have a bonfire (Have fire)
And rooster blood sprinkled on the vestibule


...but let's face it, Manfred talks a good game when he speaks about family values, but he's full of ####.)

But it would have been so easy to give them this one thing; To see at dawn the central Altar stone aligning with the Slaughter stone, Heel stone and the rising sun to the northeast.

But nope, it's all about the Elizabeths with these guys, always has been, always will be.
   19. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 30, 2019 at 07:40 PM (#5846954)
If I had one of the fancy schmancy first class seats that turns into a bed I'm sure I'd be fine,


I got to do that once. Didn't make any difference, still couldn't sleep. You're still stuck in a very noisy tube 35,000+ feet up in the air.

They did let me fly out on a Friday night so I had 2 days to recover before starting work on Monday morning. Unfortunately I did some extreme walking on the Sunday so my legs hurt too much to use the exercise equipment in the hotel all week.
   20. manchestermets Posted: May 31, 2019 at 04:39 AM (#5847040)
there's a marketplace for soccer in the United States

#lolMLS


You say that, but this is the home field of the UK's national baseball champions.

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