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Thursday, February 07, 2019

Around The Office: How Much Difference Do Pitch Clocks Make?

Baseball America talks about the pitch clock. One thing is clear, MLB will have to stay vigilant enforcing the rules to make a real change. That means staying on the umpires to keep games moving.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 07, 2019 at 09:02 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: February 07, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5813147)
I appreciate that they are at least thinking about improving the pace of the game, but they need to first identify the causes of slowdowns.

Obviously replay slows things down. My proposal for that: only a player involved in the play can ask for a replay and if the call is upheld, that player is ejected. A real penalty. At the very least the request for replay should come immediately, none of this holding things up while someone on the phone reviews the video. If a 20-second pitch clock is used in concert as a replay request clock then maybe the clock has some benefit.

The other pace problem is strikeouts and its partner: mid-inning pitcher changes. League-wide K/9 went from 4.8 in 1978, to 5.6 in 1988, to 6.7 in 1998, to 8.5 in 2018. (BB/9 over the same period hasn't budged.) This is most likely increasing the number of pitches per inning, and may contribute to pitcher injuries. Over time we've learned that batters simply don't mind striking out now like they did before. Altering the strike zone won't help, and lowering the mound might have unintended consequences. My proposal is to make two simple changes: require each relief pitcher to pitch to a minimum of 2 batters unless the inning has ended AND as a 2-season experiment... make the strikeout shameful again: any batter striking out 4 times in a game (regardless of length) is disqualified from playing in the first inning of his team's next game. If that means putting a starting pitcher in left field for the first inning, so be it. Put the ball in play or you can't start tomorrow. At the very least it makes a general manager think twice about having a bigger bullpen at the expense of position players on the bench which may further cut down on extra-short relief appearances.
   2. Jack Sommers Posted: February 07, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5813262)
These Pace of Play Rules used in the AZFL league this year worked great.

Games were crisp. There were a few called balls and strikes due to pitchers and hitters dawdling. But after a week or two, actually very few and the players had no problems to comply and there were no obvious negative effects. Players were not hurried or rushed. the flow of the game was smooth.



   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 07, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5813288)
they need to first identify the causes of slowdowns.
...and you proceed to not even mention pitchers and batters dicking around before every single pitch?
   4. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: February 07, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5813310)
I didn't mention it because enforcement is going to be an issue. I'd rather the player's union be asked to address the issue of futzing around between pitches over more rules that require policing. I don't want Joe West and his ilk making more calls if it can be avoided.
   5. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 07, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5813316)
I'd rather the player's union be asked to address the issue of futzing around between pitches
So you're saying you want double the amount of futzing? Maybe triple?
   6. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 07, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5813317)

Obviously replay slows things down. My proposal for that: only a player involved in the play can ask for a replay and if the call is upheld, that player is ejected. A real penalty. At the very least the request for replay should come immediately, none of this holding things up while someone on the phone reviews the video.


So the penalty for a missed challenge is draconian, but you will deny them the opportunity to find out if the call was wrong before challenging?
   7. caspian88 Posted: February 08, 2019 at 12:40 AM (#5813569)
The pitch clock alone would be huge.

I'd also love to see the outfield fences pushed back a bit, or made a little taller. Bigger outfields mean fewer home runs and more doubles and triples, plus faster outfielders to compensate for the increased territory, which will also further decrease power a bit, which may also incentivize putting the ball in play a little more often. Plus we get more exciting extra-base hits and outfield defensive plays and maybe a few more stolen bases due to the faster outfielders. I don't know if the pitch clock would have an impact on increasing offensive, but this could be a compensatory move. Won't happen, though.
   8. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: February 08, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5813750)
So the penalty for a missed challenge is draconian, but you will deny them the opportunity to find out if the call was wrong before challenging?
It's not draconian enough! In addition to the ejection, the team has to play a man short. *And* no shifting allowed to compensate, you go without that specific position. If the ejected player is the pitcher, the opposing team gets to hit off a tee for the rest of the game. If it's the catcher, the team shall be required to use a pitchback net.
   9. DFA Posted: February 09, 2019 at 01:27 AM (#5813890)
I laughed out loud #8. And the player gets docked one day of pay! That'll show 'em!
   10. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 09, 2019 at 07:56 AM (#5813898)
These Pace of Play Rules used in the AZFL league this year worked great.

Games were crisp. There were a few called balls and strikes due to pitchers and hitters dawdling. But after a week or two, actually very few and the players had no problems to comply and there were no obvious negative effects. Players were not hurried or rushed. the flow of the game was smooth.


All of those rules are great, with the obvious exception of that extra inning rule that only an alien troll could have dreamed up. Boswell wrote with some justification that a rule like that might turn him into a soccer fan. The only thing dumber would be the overtime rules of college football, and even that'd be a close call.

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