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Sunday, January 19, 2020

Astros stars letting others take blame for player-driven sign-stealing scheme

When A.J. Hinch took a baseball bat to at least one of those television monitors, as one source said he did, maybe this was the day he had in mind.

This was the day he stood alone.

He’d been in the end overrun by his players and members of his own coaching staff and who knows who else, along with his own ambitiousness. That is his to bear.

The Houston Astros went dark one day. Hinch was the man on the top step. He stuck to the shadows like the rest of them, celebrated its bounty like the rest of them, surrendered when the lights came up and was punished for it.

So, what do we make of this line of analysis?

 

QLE Posted: January 19, 2020 at 12:27 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: a.j. hinch, astros, dirty rotten cheaters, players

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   1. Astroenteritis Posted: January 19, 2020 at 11:05 AM (#5917340)
I believe Hinch will manage again, when people realize the earth didn't fly out of its orbit because of this scandal. You'd think it was the end days by the way some people are reacting. Baseball has survived worse, and will survive this.
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 19, 2020 at 11:11 AM (#5917346)
I find it totally not credible that the players thought this up and implemented it on their own without the knowledge and help of field management or the front office.
   3. pikepredator Posted: January 19, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5917360)
I find it totally not credible that the players thought this up and implemented it on their own without the knowledge and help of field management or the front office.


It was far too exposed, unless Hinch is totally clueless/out of touch (in which case, firing is merited anyhow) and his "damaged the monitor a couple of times" comments eliminate complete ignorance as an excuse.

Rogue employees doing something in secret doesn't necessarily end in punishment of mgmt. This is clearly not that. At an absolute minimum, tacit approval was given. And in all likelihood, Hinch was celebrating the HRs hit on off-speed pitches cued by the trash can.
   4. The Duke Posted: January 19, 2020 at 01:42 PM (#5917371)
None of the players so far have expressed even a little real regret about other people being fired for their transgressions. This means they are uniquely a class of people who don’t care about their brothers or perhaps they knew these guys were right in the middle of it. I don’t believe any of them or the MLB on the buzzers. All one has to do is look at that Altuve video and listen to him as he rounds 3B To know something is not right with that picture. Somebody will spill the beans soon enough

I mean, really, does anyone believe they stopped using this in 2017 just like that ?
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 19, 2020 at 03:28 PM (#5917383)
I mean, really, does anyone believe they stopped using this in 2017 just like that?
The MLB Investigation found no evidence that that the Astros continued the trash can banging in 2018, but found that they moved their replay room much closer to the dugout, that the replay staff decoded signs using the live center field camera feed, and that they transmitted the signs to the dugout through in-person communication. The Astros only stopped after “the players no longer believed it was effective”. Presumably that’s because opposing teams had caught on and were using multiple signs more often and changing them so frequently that the Astros couldn’t pick them up often enough to be helpful. In short, over at least 2 seasons, the Astros used increasingly sophisticated & stealthy means to improperly use the live in-game video feed to steal signs, and only quit when it became ineffective, not when MLB said “knock it off”.
   6. The Duke Posted: January 19, 2020 at 03:42 PM (#5917387)
Another firing by Crane

https://babylonbee.com/news/astros-fire-trash-can-responsible-for-sign-stealing-scandal
   7. Bhaakon Posted: January 19, 2020 at 08:10 PM (#5917452)
Rogue employees doing something in secret doesn't necessarily end in punishment of mgmt.


I have to wonder how difficult it is for rogue employees to do anything on a baseball roster. With the level of information gathering on, the number of cameras and eyes on the players, frankly the number of people whose entire job it is to analyze every aspect of player performance from WAR to psychology to diet to medicine, it's hard to imagine anything significant staying secret for long unless the ignorance is willful.
   8. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 20, 2020 at 09:56 AM (#5917515)
“Presumably that’s because opposing teams had caught on and were using multiple signs more often and changing them so frequently that the Astros couldn’t pick them up often enough to be helpful. ”

Or because it took too long to get the info to the player. (Also how did the sign get from the dugout to the batter?). The trash can banging was pretty efficient, this seems less so.

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