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Wednesday, July 29, 2020

Bad blood erupts between Astros, Dodgers in opener

It took six innings for tensions to boil over between the Astros and Dodgers.

Benches cleared between the sixth and seventh innings after Dodgers reliever Joe Kelly twice threw at the upper body of a player from the 2017 Astros. No punches were thrown, but the two groups yelled back and forth for about 30 seconds before order was restored.

Both bullpens emptied to join, too, a release of five months of frustration after the fallout of the Astros’ 2017 sign-stealing scandal. The Dodgers, whom the Astros defeated in seven games to capture the 2017 World Series, were vocal in their displeasure with the club’s cheating and its apology attempts in February.

With one out and a three-run Dodgers lead, Kelly threw behind Alex Bregman with a 96 mph, 3-0 pitch. Bregman took his base without incident or words toward Kelly. Kelly yawned on the pitcher’s mound after he threw the pitch.

Carlos Correa, already 2-for-2 with a home run, arrived with two outs. Kelly began the plate appearance with two inside fastballs — the first of which put Correa to the dirt.

Kelly eventually struck out Correa on six pitches to end the frame. As the teams departed the field, Kelly and Correa immediately began to argue. Umpires tried to intervene but, by then, both benches were emptying. Dodgers manager Dave Roberts and Astros manager Dusty Baker came to the front, calming their clubs.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 12:23 AM | 44 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: July 29, 2020 at 01:02 AM (#5966578)
No time like a pandemic to spark a moronic, bench-clearing shoutfest.
   2. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 29, 2020 at 08:51 AM (#5966604)
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:01 AM (#5966607)
I think it's heartwarming that Joe Kelly is standing up for his new teammates, who were robbed of a World Series title by brazen cheaters.
   4. Random Transaction Generator Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:15 AM (#5966611)
#3

Joe Kelly was on the Red Sox and lost to the cheating Astros in the 2017 ALDS. He has his own reasons for retaliating, too.
   5. catomi01 Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5966617)
I'm on board with the Astros bashing and assumed something like this would happen about once a series each time the astros played a team from the playoffs that year....but is Joe Kelly 12 years old?
   6. depletion Posted: July 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM (#5966630)
It got out of hand when the fans started throwing virtual objects on the field, slows down memory allocation and could lead, Goddess forbid, to swapping.
   7. Astroenteritis Posted: July 29, 2020 at 11:29 AM (#5966636)
And...the 2017 World Series trophy still belongs to Houston. No amount of fits thrown by the Dodgers will change that.
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 29, 2020 at 11:45 AM (#5966640)
#### stained flags stink forever
   9. phredbird Posted: July 29, 2020 at 11:56 AM (#5966645)

maybe this has been mentioned elsewhere:

as i watched some of this yesterday, as it unfolded, the penny dropped, and i saw why the stros went with dusty this year.

he's going to run interference for these guys all year long better than anybody else in baseball.
   10. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 12:07 PM (#5966649)
Joe Kelly does not strike me as the most discerning or refined gentleman. This was the guy who got so plastered on his draft day that when the Angels called him looking for his desired bonus so that they could make the decision whether to select him, he drunkenly gave them a ridiculously high number and then hung up on them. One suspects he might not have matured as much as one would like since that time.

That said, screw the Astros.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: July 29, 2020 at 12:26 PM (#5966656)
yeah, I never really got into this saga much - but the Astros' behavior after they got caught annoyed me even more than the "crime" itself.

so yes, screw the Astros: the players still have a long way to go before getting close to their full comeuppance. can't do the time, don't do the crime.

it has to be tricky when the team you always rooted for turns out to be filled with ##########.
   12. winnipegwhip Posted: July 29, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5966677)
Joe Kelly does not strike me as the most discerning or refined gentleman. This was the guy who got so plastered on his draft day that when the Angels called him looking for his desired bonus so that they could make the decision whether to select him, he drunkenly gave them a ridiculously high number and then hung up on them. One suspects he might not have matured as much as one would like since that time.


So, you think a lad with the last name Kelly is not refined do ya?



   13. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5966680)
So, you think a lad with the last name Kelly is not refined do ya?


I think this particular lad strikes me as rather indelicate.
   14. depletion Posted: July 29, 2020 at 02:58 PM (#5966686)
If his name was Goldstein or Perez or Leroy Jackson would you write that?
   15. winnipegwhip Posted: July 29, 2020 at 03:46 PM (#5966703)
BTW - I am part Mick and don't have a problem with what Gary wrote. My response was in jest.
   16. Astroenteritis Posted: July 29, 2020 at 03:53 PM (#5966705)
it has to be tricky when the team you always rooted for turns out to be filled with ##########.


Thank goodness I'm not a Dodger fan!
   17. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 03:56 PM (#5966709)
BTW - I am part Mick and don't have a problem with what Gary wrote. My response was in jest.


To be honest, I never even made the association so I was completely clueless as to what you were referring to.
   18. Tin Angel Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:40 PM (#5966718)
Astros or not, Kelly really comes off as a little ##### here...besides the whole "throwing a 96 mph fastball at someone's head to prove a point" thing.
   19. winnipegwhip Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:58 PM (#5966724)
Gary, it would have been easier to parlay my message if I could have stated it with a brogue while sitting on me pot o gold.
   20. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:03 PM (#5966725)
Gary, it would have been easier to parlay my message if I could have stated it with a brogue while sitting on me pot o gold.


I'd appreciate it if next time you could please do that. I'm afraid I'm too dense for subtlety.
   21. TJ Posted: July 29, 2020 at 06:43 PM (#5966754)
Gary, it would have been easier to parlay my message if I could have stated it with a brogue while sitting on me pot o gold.


Next time type it in Gaelic... Éirinn go Brách!
   22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 29, 2020 at 06:50 PM (#5966755)
MLB Suspends Joe Kelly & Dave Roberts:
Los Angeles righty Joe Kelly was suspended for eight games and manager Dave Roberts received a single-game ban. Kelly will appeal his suspension, so it’s not going into effect right away. Roberts will go ahead and sit out this evening’s game. His counterpart, Astros skipper Dusty Baker, will be fined for what went down between the two clubs.
The taunting probably didn’t help Kelly’s case.
   23. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 29, 2020 at 06:54 PM (#5966756)

Joe Kelly, the T-Shirt.
   24. villageidiom Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:24 PM (#5966782)
Prorated to a 162-game season, they suspended Kelly for almost 22 games.
   25. Astroenteritis Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:25 PM (#5966783)
Joe Kelly was suspended for eight games


Jeez, I'm an Astros fan and I think eight games is a little much. I guess MLB wants to nip this crap in the bud.
   26. Howie Menckel Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:31 PM (#5966787)
it would have been funny if today also was the day they finally suspended some Astros batters - as well as also-never-suspended felon Chase Utley, in absentia.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:40 PM (#5966789)
8 games will ultimately end up being 4-5 when it's all said and done, a bit long for a reliever to be honest, but it is what it is.
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:42 PM (#5966790)
Jeez, I'm an Astros fan and I think eight games is a little much. I guess MLB wants to nip this crap in the bud.


I think so. MLB made their decision, whether you agreed with it or not doesn't matter, they have handed out their punishments and want to point out that extra punishment is not something they will tolerate.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:46 PM (#5966792)
Prorated to a 162-game season, they suspended Kelly for almost 22 games.
Suspensions should reflect the shortened season. Unfair to the players financially, and to the team competitively, to apply a 162-game standard for suspensions when the season has been reduced by 63%. The MLBPA should push hard on that, as well as any claims specific to Kelly that they are raising.
   30. tshipman Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:50 PM (#5966793)
This is 100% Manfred's fault.

By not suspending any of the Astros, he created this environment where players are going to seek to even the score.

Joe Kelly is suspended for more games than any of the participants in the biggest cheating scandal since Pete Rose.
   31. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 29, 2020 at 10:03 PM (#5966796)
So Kelly doesn't hit anybody. In fact, he strikes out Correa. The ump didn't toss him -- did he even warn him? is that the ump's judgment on the larger situation? -- and Manfred swoops in with 8 games?

This is about Manfred thinking Kelly showed him up.
   32. Tin Angel Posted: July 29, 2020 at 10:12 PM (#5966800)
So Kelly doesn't hit anybody. In fact, he strikes out Correa. The ump didn't toss him -- did he even warn him? is that the ump's judgment on the larger situation?


I happened to catch an interview with Tim Kurkjian on NPR today and he said over 20 umps had opted out for the season. Wondering if we will see more of these issues due to inexperience...Kelly should have been warned, or tossed, when he obviously threw at Bregman's head.
   33. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 29, 2020 at 10:35 PM (#5966806)
Marquez was behind the plate according to the box score and he broke in in 1999.
   34. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: July 30, 2020 at 12:02 AM (#5966817)
I don’t see how the 8 game suspension will survive the appeal. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kelly ends up serving no suspension at all. Does Manfred get off on humiliation or something?
   35. sunday silence (again) Posted: July 30, 2020 at 06:11 AM (#5966829)

This is about Manfred thinking Kelly showed him up.


No its not.
   36. TJ Posted: July 30, 2020 at 08:23 AM (#5966845)
Yankee Clapper Posted: July 29, 2020 at 06:50 PM (#5966755)
MLB Suspends Joe Kelly & Dave Roberts:
Los Angeles righty Joe Kelly was suspended for eight games and manager Dave Roberts received a single-game ban. Kelly will appeal his suspension, so it’s not going into effect right away. Roberts will go ahead and sit out this evening’s game. His counterpart, Astros skipper Dusty Baker, will be fined for what went down between the two clubs.
The taunting probably didn’t help Kelly’s case.


I think Clapper’s on point here. I doubt Kelly got eight games for throwing behind Bregman- he got eight games for instigating a bench-clearing incident that had a large group of players in each other’s faces. With what is going on with the Marlins, the last thing baseball needs is another large-scale breakout of the virus. If just one player in that scrum is positive but asymptomatic you could be looking at two teams in the same situation two weeks from now. I can see MLB coming down harder on players who ignite such incidents as Kelly did than they have in the past.
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: July 30, 2020 at 08:23 AM (#5966846)
They played 13 innings last night and Kelly didn't pitch. Did he ever warm up? Was there a double-secret agreement to keep him out of the rest of the series?
   38. sunday silence (again) Posted: July 30, 2020 at 08:37 AM (#5966847)
Did I miss a memo? Since when is it OK to throw 95 at someone's head?
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: July 30, 2020 at 10:33 AM (#5966861)
I can see MLB coming down harder on players who ignite such incidents as Kelly did than they have in the past.

why did Dusty Baker only get a fine, then? a manager barking at a pitcher only riles up his team and makes the bench-clearing more likely. you would think a manager would be held to a higher standard.

well, the Astros probably thought that - based on recent history.
   40. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 30, 2020 at 10:48 AM (#5966867)
I think Clapper’s on point here. I doubt Kelly got eight games for throwing behind Bregman- he got eight games for instigating a bench-clearing incident that had a large group of players in each other’s faces. With what is going on with the Marlins, the last thing baseball needs is another large-scale breakout of the virus. If just one player in that scrum is positive but asymptomatic you could be looking at two teams in the same situation two weeks from now. I can see MLB coming down harder on players who ignite such incidents as Kelly did than they have in the past.
If he’s going to suspend every player who blatantly disregards the safety protocols and increases the risk of another outbreak, the season is going to be over tomorrow anyway.
   41. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM (#5966875)
Did I miss a memo? Since when is it OK to throw 95 at someone's head?

Yeah, this has to be a large part of the suspension. I'm not a fan at all of retaliation HBPs, but if you're going to do it you don't throw at his head. That's reckless, and it's never been a part of the unwritten rules AFAIK.
   42. Brian Posted: July 30, 2020 at 11:50 AM (#5966889)
The pitch to Correa was a curveball. How does Correa skate? Kelly walked back to his dugout while jawing with Correa, the problem was Correa also walked to the Dodgers dugout. As the players came in from the field it was suddenly one Astro and 25 Dodgers. That's when the Astros felt they had to head over and even things up. The bench clearing part of this is clearly on Correa.
   43. Karl from NY Posted: July 30, 2020 at 02:31 PM (#5966943)
Suspensions should reflect the shortened season. Unfair to the players financially, and to the team competitively, to apply a 162-game standard for suspensions when the season has been reduced by 63%.

I'll disagree with this one. Suspensions should be the same as always. It's more accurate to treat this as a season where everyone was .500 on July 23 than as if each game is three games.

Starting pitchers in particular. They always get at least 5-game suspensions so it means something to the rotation. Prorating to 2 games would make it effectively zero.

The financial factor has already been accounted for, each game doesn't count as 3 that way, the player salaries are already prorated.

And how do you prorate a 1-game ban? 3-inning ban?
   44. TJ Posted: July 30, 2020 at 07:54 PM (#5967018)
I can see MLB coming down harder on players who ignite such incidents as Kelly did than they have in the past.

why did Dusty Baker only get a fine, then? a manager barking at a pitcher only riles up his team and makes the bench-clearing more likely. you would think a manager would be held to a higher standard.

well, the Astros probably thought that - based on recent history.


Dave Roberts comments...

Referring to worries about social distancing amid the Marlins' crisis, Roberts said of his call with MLB: "They weren't pleased. In baseball right now, we're under a microscope - which we should be.
"Us as coaches - myself included - have to do a better job at making sure guys stay on the bench.
"Last night when tempers flared, I tried to get out there to keep it at bay and minimise it, but I've also got to make sure guys stay on the bench to follow the social distancing protocols."
He added: "I'm going to talk to the guys today briefly about leaving the bench. Major League Baseball is really serious about this, as well as they should be.
"I've got to reiterate to guys how important it is, at any cost, to stay on the bench."

Kelly instigated the altercation. He got eight games because of that, not because of just throwing at Bregman. I would have given Baker a game suspension as well, but that’s not the question. I stand by my original observation.

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