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Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Baker: Manny Ramirez lectured by traffic cop

Hell…it beats being lectured by Eckersley!

Seems that Boston slugger Manny Ramirez was leaving the ballpark, with headphones on trying to look inconspicuous and quickly get away from the crowds still leaving the stadium. He started to cross South Royal Brougham Way, against the signals of a traffic cop who was directing pedestrians. The police officer demanded that Ramirez open his wallet and show identification. He warned him that he could face a $500 fine and possible arrest for disobeying a police officer.

It became clear to those watching that the policeman had no idea who Ramirez was. He didn’t ask for an autograph or anything, but did ask Ramirez if he’d attended the game. After the brief lecture, and no argument from Ramirez, the police officer let him go with no further trouble.

Ah, maybe baseball needs a higher profile in this town? Or, maybe Ramirez has to sit around and talk to the media like everyone else on his team, so he doesn’t get caught up in post-game foot traffic? I don’t know, I just thought it was a funny story.

Repoz Posted: July 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM | 104 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 22, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2867690)
After the brief lecture

"Cut your hair and get a job."
   2. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:04 PM (#2867714)
Boston Cop harasses minority for no reason, film at eleven!
   3. Xander Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:19 PM (#2867732)
Boston Cop harasses minority for no reason, film at eleven!
...and in Seattle of all places.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:27 PM (#2867739)
next, he'll get arrested for trespassing in the Green Monster
   5. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:34 PM (#2867746)
haha, oops, my mistake.
   6. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:38 PM (#2867750)
random BTF poster jumps to racist assumptions.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:43 PM (#2867754)
random BTF poster jumps to racist assumptions.


Apparently you're not familiar with WJ's body of work. That was anything but random.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:44 PM (#2867755)
"random BTF poster jumps to racist assumptions."

Probably because he's black.
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:46 PM (#2867756)
strangely enough, outside of Safeco in Seattle is the only place I have ever been yelled at by a policeman because I was jaywalking (or at least I stepped off the curb before he signaled everyone to go). ...i kind of resent being told when to cross the street, but thats my EastCoastness i guess.
   10. JoeHova Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:49 PM (#2867759)
Boston Cop harasses minority for no reason, film at eleven!


You don't need the "Boston" qualifier to make it accurate.
   11. ekogan Posted: July 22, 2008 at 01:49 PM (#2867761)
Wouldn't it be great if Manny pushed the cop down and yelled at him "Just do you job"?
   12. John DiFool2 Posted: July 22, 2008 at 02:30 PM (#2867803)
Are there really people that ignorant, despite the fact they work in close proximity to the celebrity(ies) in question?
   13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 22, 2008 at 02:37 PM (#2867811)
random BTF poster jumps to racist assumptions.
racist? Jumps to assumptions of racism, sure, but that's a totally different thing. And I basically agree with #10, this isn't merely a local problem.
   14. aleskel Posted: July 22, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2867818)
i kind of resent being told when to cross the street, but thats my EastCoastness i guess.

yeah, I got yelled at buy a cop in Honolulu for jaywalking. A real pain in the ass, since I live in New York, where jaywalking is not only tolerated, it's an inalienable right.
   15. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: July 22, 2008 at 02:46 PM (#2867823)
Of course it isn't, MC, but it's not likely WJ would make a comment like that if he knew the incident took place in Seattle. He sees himself stuck in the minors here in Boston, and hasn't yet come to grips with it. Poor kid.
   16. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: July 22, 2008 at 02:50 PM (#2867828)
random BTF poster jumps to racist assumptions.


Great, I was waiting for confirmation that Bostonians were their own separate race.


Or, maybe Ramirez has to sit around and talk to the media like everyone else on his team, so he doesn’t get caught up in post-game foot traffic? I don’t know, I just thought it was a funny story.


Clearly not. Clearly the writer also thought it was great for a self-important "talk to the media or else" moment.
   17. Danny Posted: July 22, 2008 at 02:51 PM (#2867831)
yeah, I got yelled at buy a cop in Honolulu for jaywalking.

I saw more people ticketed for jaywalking in my 10 weeks in Honolulu than I have in the rest of my life.

Are there really people that ignorant, despite the fact they work in close proximity to the celebrity(ies) in question?

I don't think traffic cops should be any more likely to recognize Manny Ramirez than other people who happen to work near SafeCo--the vast majority of which I'd guess would not recognize him.
   18. Gamingboy Posted: July 22, 2008 at 03:30 PM (#2867874)
It's just.....

MANNY BEING MANNY!
   19. jwb Posted: July 22, 2008 at 03:55 PM (#2867907)
More likely cop being cop.
   20. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 22, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2867914)
And that cop was...Shaquille O'Neal!
   21. 1k5v3L Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:00 PM (#2867919)
Manny's lucky this didn't happen in Phoenix.
Otherwise he'd be serving 10 days in tent city eating green bologna.
That is, if he managed to avoid deportation back to Mexico
   22. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:13 PM (#2867935)
Harassing Manny is a textbook example of racist anti-Martian behavior.
   23. Rough Carrigan Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:25 PM (#2867952)
The fact that a cop was trying to enforce any kind of restrictions on a pedestrian should have let anyone know the incident didn't take place in Boston.
   24. BFFB Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:28 PM (#2867955)
Police direct people across the road, that's really quite weird. Over here you pretty much just walk across where ever/when ever the hell you want.
   25. McCoy Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:39 PM (#2867967)
I was at Miller Park and some teenager early 20 yr old try to walk across the street while a cop was directing traffic. As soon as the cop tried to stop him he took off, the cop grabbed his jersey, the kid wiggled out of it and ran off shirtless. It was pretty funny, losing the jersey probably cost more then any punishment he would have gotten from the cop.
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:42 PM (#2867970)
There's no one directing traffic right outside the stadium directly before and after major sporting events where you live, BFFB?
   27. Repoz Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:50 PM (#2867977)
I once gave the finger to a dicktective in a unmarkeded car as he cut me off while coming out of a McDonalds. He chased me for a few blocks...pulled me over...I got out...and he started slamming my head onto the hood of my car.

He then said..."You better not step feet into Connecticut again!"

But then again...I'd been cold-cocked by hi-flyin' helicopter lovin' Bill Graham once...so this was no biggy.
   28. 1k5v3L Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:54 PM (#2867980)
Apropos of nothing, I now keep thinking I need to find my perfect Indian partner in Texas...
   29. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:55 PM (#2867982)
Jaywalking is at the core of what has been bringing down the moral fabric of this great nation over the last few decades! You should all be ashamed of yourselves and have your children taken away... if that's even legal! As a lawyer I know this and as Texas vs. Yonkel showed us there will be a crackdown soon my friends! A reckoning... that's what it is! While Manny was walking on water outside Safeco Doc Papelbon was doing the real work in solidying the world series berth we all know the Red Sox deserve every year!!!!
   30. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2867984)
How does this effect his Hall of Fame chances?
   31. phredbird Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2867985)
the first thing i learned in CA was that pedestrians have right of way. man, what an adjustment. in new orleans pedestrians are on their own.
   32. RJ in TO Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:58 PM (#2867987)
the first thing i learned in CA was that pedestrians have right of way. man, what an adjustment. in new orleans pedestrians are on their own.


Try being a pedestrian in Montreal - the pedestrian fatality rate is something like 5 times the Canadian average, and that doesn't even include the number of people who fall into a pothole, never to be seen again.
   33. Khrushin it bro Posted: July 22, 2008 at 04:59 PM (#2867988)
Try being a pedestrian in Australia, you don't have the right of way and they come atcha from the opposite side you expect.
   34. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:01 PM (#2867990)
Try being a pedestrian on the Sun.
   35. Greg Franklin Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2867995)
Are there really people that ignorant, despite the fact they work in close proximity to the celebrity(ies) in question?

Danny is right. You can't assume traffic cops are up on the latest baseball superstars. But even the most casual fans at Safeco identified him, it seems.

S Royal Brougham is a pedestrian-friendly zoo pregame/postgame, especially one with a railroad periodically cutting off car traffic. Manny shouldn't have barged out there; there would've been time!

Eraser-X's point about "talk to the media or else" is a reference to Erik Bedard, whom Baker has made his whipping boy for being taciturn during locker-room interviews, and thus allegedly a clubhouse cancer. Whatever, Geoff.
   36. RJ in TO Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:11 PM (#2868000)
Eraser-X's point about "talk to the media or else" is a reference to Erik Bedard, whom Baker has made his whipping boy for being taciturn during locker-room interviews, and thus allegedly a clubhouse cancer. Whatever, Geoff.


Wait, is that Geoff "White Jays" Baker? It depresses me that this guy still has a job.
   37. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:17 PM (#2868008)
Are there really people that ignorant, despite the fact they work in close proximity to the celebrity(ies) in question?

"Oh my God it's Ichiro!" (Asian guy walks away)
"Oh my God it's Ichiro!" (second Asian guy walks away)
"Oh my God it's Ichiro!"
"I'm not a boy."
"Yes, you are!"
   38. _ Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:20 PM (#2868011)
the first thing i learned in CA was that pedestrians have right of way.

Right- whereas in every other state motorists are free to run over pedestrians indiscriminately.
   39. tedz chillin hed Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:22 PM (#2868013)
Why is it called "jaywalking" anyway? Do they do it in Toronto?
   40. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:34 PM (#2868024)
Why is it called "jaywalking" anyway? Do they do it in Toronto?


Radhames Liz woke up this morning with The Boot.
   41. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:43 PM (#2868039)
Are there really people that ignorant, despite the fact they work in close proximity to the celebrity(ies) in question?

I work in proximity to a lot of "celebrities". And with rare exceptions, I go about my business pretending that I have absolutely no idea who they are. Line at the cafe? Wait your damned turn. Fire drill? Get with the other people.
   42. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2868044)
Right- whereas in every other state motorists are free to run over pedestrians indiscriminately.

The difference would surprise you, then.
   43. Boots Day Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:52 PM (#2868050)
Try being a pedestrian on the Sun.

It's always nice to have Smashmouth weigh in.

In fairness to Weekly Journalist, could any street sound more Bostonian than "South Royal Brougham Way"?
   44. _ Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2868059)
Royal Brougham was a Seattle journalist.
   45. Honkie Kong Posted: July 22, 2008 at 05:59 PM (#2868060)
People really get ticketed for jaywalking. I have been to a bunch of american cities, and cross the road willy nilly when its traffic free.
I hate waiting for those pedestrian "walk" signals.
   46. The Good Face Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:05 PM (#2868064)
Royal Brougham was a Seattle journalist.


Was he named after a particularly well appointed 1974 model year Lincoln?
   47. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2868066)
First day in Japan, I had to go to a "cultural orientation". We were taught the typical Asian studies stereotypes that "No Japanese person would ever jaywalk under any circumstances".

So during lunchtime, we all go out and get to the first busy intersection. There's a break in traffic and I cross against the light...and the entire crowd does as well. I look back over my shoulder and see my fellow exchange students standing by themselves on the corner waiting for the signal.
   48. Rich Rifkin I Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:09 PM (#2868068)
Was he named after a particularly well appointed 1974 model year Licoln?

What is a Licoln?

I look back over my shoulder and see my fellow exchange students standing by themselves on the corner waiting for the signal.

That's because they were white and know how much Japanese cops hate gaijin.
   49. The District Attorney Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:10 PM (#2868069)
How does this effect his Hall of Fame chances?
It doesn't, I don't think Cooperstown has paved streets.
   50. The Good Face Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:11 PM (#2868070)
What is a Licoln?


Why a typo of course!
   51. rr Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#2868077)
and he started slamming my head onto the hood of my car.


This explains a lot.
   52. Cabbage Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:21 PM (#2868081)
What is a Licoln?

Short hand for "Lite Colon". You know, colon made with Splenda.
   53. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:21 PM (#2868082)
I drive through Chinatown on my way to work every morning, so jaywalkers are the bane of my existence.

There, I've tied up the jaywalking and the "Is that racism?" parts of the thread.
   54. phredbird Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2868091)
the first thing i learned in CA was that pedestrians have right of way.

Right- whereas in every other state motorists are free to run over pedestrians indiscriminately.


dude, people in new orleans drive like that. you learn to get out of the way if it even looks like a car is coming.
   55. Rusty Priske Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2868095)
I think there should be no "Jay-walking" laws.

However, they should enforce "obstructing traffic" laws.


In other words, if you aren't obstructing traffic, walk free.
   56. BDC Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:48 PM (#2868111)
In Austin, Texas, there are signs at many intersections telling turning motorists that pedestrians have the right of way. It's one of the few places in Texas where there are many pedestrians at all, so we have to be reminded not to run them over.

Actually the worst thing about walking in Dallas or Fort Worth is that motorists are so amazed to see a large biped crossing the street that they stop in mid-block to let you pass, blocking traffic in very unpredictable ways, as if you were a family pet or something. This is awkward because jaywalking is often much safer than crossing at a light, where the turning traffic never ceases, and there are no Austin-style signs to assert pedestrian rights.

As to someone directing traffic after a game at the Ballpark in Arlington, no, I've never seen anyone doing that. Fortunately postgame traffic can be pretty light ...
   57. Greg Franklin Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:51 PM (#2868113)
Wait, is that Geoff "White Jays" Baker? It depresses me that this guy still has a job.
The same. He's constantly putting down rebellions on his blog (the one from which TFA originates), besides the low-level conflicts with USSM honchos.

Info on THE Royal Brougham: Link. He died covering a Seahawks-Broncos game in the Kingdome.
   58. Mattbert Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:54 PM (#2868118)
In fairness to Weekly Journalist, could any street sound more Bostonian than "South Royal Brougham Way"?

As WJ has mentioned once or twice, he is a resident of that fair city. So he doesn't get any slack on that account.
   59. base ball chick Posted: July 22, 2008 at 06:57 PM (#2868120)
1k5v3L Posted: July 22, 2008 at 12:54 PM (#2867980)

Apropos of nothing, I now keep thinking I need to find my perfect Indian partner in Texas...


????????????

i don't get the joke
   60. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2868124)
I've been hassled down there before. I actually mouthed off to the cop, which was a fantastically stupid thing to do, but I was an idiot in those days and he still let me go. I don't think this is terribly unusual.

Anyway, I've made a bit of a hobby of paying attention to jaywalking habits in the various places I've lived and visited. What I've noticed:

In California, nobody walks. Drivers are stunned to see you on foot, and their reactions are unpredictable. You think I'm joking about this, but I'm not; it was as true in Palo Alto as it was in the Inland Empire.

In Washington State, the drivers are poor but cautious. This is more of an issue if you're driving than walking, but you have to be aware of it. There's something in the air up there.

In New York and DC alike, pedestrians are absolutely insane and will cross anywhere, anytime. I've been trying to decide why it works, but I've drawn no firm conclusions yet. I think, on Manhattan at least, 80% of the drivers are cabbies, who make their livings behind the wheel and thus are good at avoiding delusional foot traffic.

One of the signal differences between Germany and the Netherlands is when their citizens feel at liberty to cross the street. In Germany, no one, never ever ever, crosses against the light. The only people you see doing this are foreign tourists. It doesn't matter if it's two AM on a Tuesday and there isn't a car for miles. They also don't throw cigarette butts on the ground. In the Netherlands, by contrast, some people will cross the street against the light and there's litter everywhere. (Well, comparatively; it's not any worse than the States, but compared to Germany it's a landfill.)

In Dublin, the streets are narrow and driving is hazardous. It's a great place to be a pedestrian and nobody gives a crap what you do.

In London you have to be careful or you'll get clobbered looking the wrong way. It took me almost two weeks to get to a point where this was even remotely intuitive.

Here in Oregon, everyone is sane and normal.
   61. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2868125)
What is a Licoln?

He thought the sky was falling. You know, Chicken Licoln.

i don't get the joke

He did say it was apropos of nothing. It's Zen...
   62. Mattbert Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:05 PM (#2868129)
Police direct people across the road, that's really quite weird. Over here you pretty much just walk across where ever/when ever the hell you want.

I was just about to remark that it's the same here in London, but then I looked at your profile. I like the system over here. People are smart enough not to get themselves mowed down, and the traffic moves reasonably well for a city of this size.

Anyway, in the case of Safeco, they definitely need a few traffic cops there after games. The stadium is located at the junction of several major on/off ramps for the two interstate highways that meet just south of downtown Seattle, I-5 and I-90. And before you get to that intersection there's the freight rail about 30-40 feet from the stadium behind right field. It would be absolute mayhem if the masses were left to their own devices.
   63. Rich Rifkin I Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:16 PM (#2868137)
In California, nobody walks.

California is composed of 155,959.34 square miles. Saying nobody walks is, in a word, dumb. Where I live in Davis, California there are pedestrians everywhere, all day long. In Palo Alto, which you mentioned, is very pedestrian-oriented -- not just near Stanford, but in the neighborhoods around Middlefield Road and of course in Foothill Park and the surrounding area. You must have had blinders on. I've lived in Santa Barbara, Isla Vista, La Jolla, Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland, West L.A.*, Berkeley and Pacific Beach. All of those are filled with pedestrians either in whole or parts.... My suspicion is that you don't walk and pay no attention to what others are doing.

* People do walk in L.A. However, because everthing is so spread out there, walking with a purpose beyond exercise isn't common. However, in downtown L.A. you'll find very crowded sidewalks with office-workers walking to and fro, particularly around lunch time.
   64. Flynn Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:24 PM (#2868144)
I still look the wrong way sometimes. But it works - drivers in London don't look at you as a target, and you quickly become very good at judging what is the right amount of time to cross (since if you waited American style 'til the coast is clear, you'd never go).

As WJ has mentioned once or twice, he is a resident of that fair city. So he doesn't get any slack on that account.

And it's a damn shame he is.
   65. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:41 PM (#2868164)
In Germany, no one, never ever ever, crosses against the light. The only people you see doing this are foreign tourists. It doesn't matter if it's two AM on a Tuesday and there isn't a car for miles.
I saw a woman who was apparently late for her train. She was sprinting, carrying a small suitcase, and heading for the station. She reached a traffic light and stood there, panting for breath, until the light changed and she resumed her panicked run.
   66. Srul Itza Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:53 PM (#2868173)
yeah, I got yelled at buy a cop in Honolulu for jaywalking.

Count yourself lucky. My boss got ticketed in Honolulu for jaywalking during one of their crackdowns. That same day, two of my clients got the same thing.

Where in Honolulu were you?
   67. Srul Itza Posted: July 22, 2008 at 07:55 PM (#2868177)
In Germany, no one, never ever ever, crosses against the light.

Germans are particularly adept at following orders.
   68. Srul Itza Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:00 PM (#2868185)
I saw more people ticketed for jaywalking in my 10 weeks in Honolulu than I have in the rest of my life.

Again, when were you here? They had a very well publicized crack down, following an uproar over the high (per capita) number of pedestrians who get run over and killed here every year.

The problem, of course, is that they are getting run over and killed in places like Farrington Highway and Kamehameha Highway, where people try to cross four lane roads in the sticks; but they had out the tickets in downtown and Waikiki, where the cars alread go slow because of all the traffic and all the people.
   69. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:01 PM (#2868187)
It should also be noted that Seattle cops in general are fanatical about jaywalking. After living here for a while, it just becomes something you never do...
   70. _ Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:26 PM (#2868213)
dude, people in new orleans drive like that.

Of course. But that's not the same thing as "cars have the right-of-way over pedestrians." It doesn't matter what state you're in, drivers have a greater duty to exercise caution when pedestrians are present, for obvious reasons. I realize that is little comfort to the guy who just got flattened. Drivers are surrounded by 3,000 lbs of metal, which trumps any traffic law designed to protect pedestrians.
   71. A Random 8-Year-Old Eskimo Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:33 PM (#2868219)
I was just about to remark that it's the same here in London, but then I looked at your profile. I like the system over here. People are smart enough not to get themselves mowed down, and the traffic moves reasonably well for a city of this size.

I agree regarding London. I nearly got hit a couple of times in the first week or so due to instictively looking one way and forgetting the cars drive on the opposite side of the road. Then I spent a couple of weeks just crossing when other people crossed and that served me well enough until my habit is now to look the correct way. I agree that there's not a big problem for it being a large city.
   72. BDC Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:35 PM (#2868221)
Voxter, yes, in Manhattan there are truly no rules. It's a very Darwinian arrangement. I walk there often and have driven there quite a bit lately too. The pedestrians simply move whenever and wherever possible. A driver has to aim for the small lane created by encroaching pedestrians on both sides of the street, and has to do so at a fairly high rate of speed. The wonder of this system is that it works, but if everyone's alert it seems to function OK. People are killed all the time, however, so "function" is a relative term here.

I spent a week in Dublin lately, and a lot of time there years ago. Major streets there have very efficient pedestrian lights. They can be a little confusing to Americans at first: they tend to stop traffic in both directions at once, leaving pedestrians as the only moving things. But in Dublin, if the "walk" symbol is green you can walk without fear of turning traffic mowing you down. It's a good pedestrian city, I agree. Several major streets in Dublin are pedestrianised, no cars at all (something few American cities do well, though the Riverwalk in San Antonio is one parallel carless city that works nicely).

Oddly enough, Rome, despite the notorious insanity of the traffic, is a nice city to walk in. Large stretches of the center of the city are quiet enough, because they are so difficult for cars to maneuver through; and they are all interesting and pretty (though pretty dirty). There are no rules there, either.

Edit: London, I agree, is awful. I think that English drivers are trained to be aggressive. It's a different quality than Manhattan, where everyone's just looking to slip past obstacles; English drivers seem to play chicken with them.
   73. Repoz Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:46 PM (#2868224)
in Manhattan there are truly no rules.

While lugging around Cleveland during SABR...I was yelled at by a goofy wannabee whatever for crossing at the wrong time.

THERE AIN'T NO ####### WRONG TIME IF A ####### CAR AIN'T ####### COMING!

Go load your Suzie, fatso.
   74. BFFB Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:48 PM (#2868226)
There's no one directing traffic right outside the stadium directly before and after major sporting events where you live, BFFB?


Not really, No. If there are any police around they are usually too busy keeping the home fans from beating the crap out of the away fans. Mostly everybody just disperses and wonders off, depending on where the ground is, to the tube, buses, train station, the pub or where their cars are parked -- usually in some local estate.
   75. Justin T's pasta pass was not revoked Posted: July 22, 2008 at 08:52 PM (#2868233)
California is composed of 155,959.34 square miles. Saying nobody walks is, in a word, dumb.

And writing that sentence and all the rest to disprove the original poster because you apparently think he literally meant nobody walks is, in a word, dumber.
   76. BFFB Posted: July 22, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2868244)
Edit: London, I agree, is awful. I think that English drivers are trained to be aggressive. It's a different quality than Manhattan, where everyone's just looking to slip past obstacles; English drivers seem to play chicken with them.


It works, for the most part, if you're used to it. It's the same between cars. If you don't keep aggressive you end up just spending ages sat at junctions, round-a-bouts, etc. just waiting for somebody to give way. You have to make the move first, then the other guy will give way.
   77. Srul Itza Posted: July 22, 2008 at 09:21 PM (#2868262)
People are killed all the time, however, so "function" is a relative term here

Then Manhattan has changed a hell of a lot since I lived and worked there. Typical pedestrian-run-over traffic deaths in the parts of town where there were large numbers of pedestrians were very few, because traffic moved so damn slow. It was only on the highways that traffic moved at any reasonable clip.
   78. Danny Posted: July 22, 2008 at 09:27 PM (#2868267)
I saw more people ticketed for jaywalking in my 10 weeks in Honolulu than I have in the rest of my life.

Again, when were you here?


Last summer. Lived in Waikiki and worked downtown on the edge of Chinatown, and I saw jaywalkers getting ticketed like crazy in both spots--mostly tourists.
   79. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 22, 2008 at 09:32 PM (#2868272)
If there are any police around they are usually too busy keeping the home fans from beating the crap out of the away fans.

See, in the US that's not as much of a threat, so the cops can be assigned to duties a bit higher on Maslow's hierarchy of human needs.
   80. BFFB Posted: July 22, 2008 at 10:07 PM (#2868309)
Too true, it's why I always get amused by the articles that crop up about "intense" fans at baseball games, intense is sitting at the away end at West Ham and having sections of the home support trying to mount a charge / getting pelted by coins and bottles filled with piss. That's intense.
   81. standuptriple Posted: July 22, 2008 at 10:09 PM (#2868313)
Stop clogging up the crosswalks! Seriously though my 1:30AM jaywalking excursion led to a night in the drunk tank. Not fun. Don't do it!
   82. Srul Itza Posted: July 23, 2008 at 01:18 AM (#2868626)
worked downtown on the edge of Chinatown

On the edge toward town, or toward lovely Aala park?

I work on the corner of Bishop & Nimitz, across from Aloha Tower.
   83. Rich Rifkin I Posted: July 23, 2008 at 01:25 AM (#2868645)
DUMBEST: "And writing that sentence and all the rest to disprove the original poster because you apparently think he literally meant nobody walks is, in a word, dumber."
   84. BeanoCook Posted: July 23, 2008 at 01:34 AM (#2868670)
My personal observations on jaywalking or not using the crosswalk: the closer you are to the 3rd world, the more likely someone is to cross the street where they shouldn't.
   85. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: July 23, 2008 at 02:33 AM (#2868936)
Dumberer: That is all.
   86. Lassus Posted: July 23, 2008 at 02:43 AM (#2868964)
the closer you are to the 3rd world, the more likely someone is to cross the street where they shouldn't.

I've lived in NYC, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and the San Jacintos and Rockies. I've been in New Zealand, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Mongolia, Moscow, Warsaw, Paris, Ulaan Batur and various places in between.

In my considerable experience, that statement really couldn't be more false, Beano.

Hell, I could simply cite New York City alone. As a bicycler, and pedestrian, I have always hated cars until I got to NYC. Now I hate pedestrians. And I don't even have a car. Sadly, a number of people rightfully walking at the right time are hit. But New York City pedestrians on average deserve whatever they get. They are truly awful.
   87. PatrickInTheWoods, Apostate Posted: July 23, 2008 at 02:51 AM (#2868977)
Lassus, drivers in Moscow are a hoot, aren't they? Especially the ones who have their own blue lights and decide that they aren't just going to do whatever they want like everybody else; but aggressively, self-importantly screw everybody else over while doing it. Didn't walk around much there, though.

Paris can be a challenge for the pedestrian in the right places. Of course, I'm an American who grew up in a Northeastern city, so I may have a differing view of my role, status, and acumen as a pedestrian.
   88. BeanoCook Posted: July 23, 2008 at 03:21 AM (#2869036)
#86 Lassus, your NYC experience is not inconsistent with anything I said, really. My 3rd world comment was to be taken tongue in cheek, a little. 3rd world being where ever there is a super-mass of urban density you are by far more likely to see people disregard the street crossing. People living on top of people is 3rd world to me.

I hear Ulaanbaatar (correct spelling) is beautiful this time of year.
   89. Lassus Posted: July 23, 2008 at 03:46 AM (#2869085)
Worst drivers in America, in my opinion? Portland, Oregon. My two favorite common Portland moves are blowing through stop signs, stop lights, and uncontrolled intersections all over southeast, and simply slowing down and stopping. In traffic. Anywhere. Like a highway or interstate.

As far as Ulaan Baaaaaaatar, it's much like Shostakovitch. There is no correct way to spell it in English. The BBC spells it Ulan Bator.

And, it was.


I didn't really notice anything unusually odd about the drivers in Moscow or Paris. Just city drivers. Anywhere's better than NY, though, so far.
   90. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: July 23, 2008 at 03:54 AM (#2869099)
First day in Japan, I had to go to a "cultural orientation". We were taught the typical Asian studies stereotypes that "No Japanese person would ever jaywalk under any circumstances".

So during lunchtime, we all go out and get to the first busy intersection. There's a break in traffic and I cross against the light...and the entire crowd does as well. I look back over my shoulder and see my fellow exchange students standing by themselves on the corner waiting for the signal.


When in Asia, cross when the crowd does. They'll not hesistate to run over one person, but 5, they might stop.
   91. Richard Posted: July 23, 2008 at 04:24 AM (#2869136)
London, I agree, is awful. I think that English drivers are trained to be aggressive

This is more a London thing than an English thing generally. People are less aggressive on the roads outside London, where everyone is wound too tight.

I've been to Vietnam a couple of times. The trick there is to walk across the road without stopping, and the bikes and mopeds will miss you. Sounds crazy, but it works.
   92. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: July 23, 2008 at 05:44 AM (#2869197)
Try being a pedestrian in Montreal - the pedestrian fatality rate is something like 5 times the Canadian average, and that doesn't even include the number of people who fall into a pothole, never to be seen again.


This surprises me -- I would figure the no-right-turn-on-red law would kind of curb the hit pedestrians a little.
   93. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: July 23, 2008 at 06:05 AM (#2869200)
In Palo Alto, which you mentioned, is very pedestrian-oriented -- not just near Stanford, but in the neighborhoods around Middlefield Road and of course in Foothill Park and the surrounding area. You must have had blinders on.

You've been to downtown Palo Alto, I see. Try living there and get back to me.

I realize that California is huge. Apparently it's full of dickheads, too. It's called "friendly ribbing". Jesus.
   94. Rich Rifkin I Posted: July 23, 2008 at 06:08 AM (#2869201)
Top 10 U.S. states for pedestrian fatalities per 100,000 population:
10 New Jersey 178 2.07
9 Louisiana 93 2.07
8 North Carolina 176 2.12
7 Alaska 14 2.17
6 South Carolina 98 2.39
5 Nevada 52 2.39
4 Hawaii 33 2.65
3 Arizona 154 2.82
2 Florida 487 2.91
1 New Mexico 60 3.23
   95. Rich Rifkin I Posted: July 23, 2008 at 06:11 AM (#2869205)
Apparently it's full of dickheads, too.

Wow. Cranky child. Take a nap, son.
   96. BeanoCook Posted: July 23, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2869424)
Bob Novak just entered the room.
   97. aleskel Posted: July 23, 2008 at 04:04 PM (#2869437)
7 Alaska 14 2.17

??!!

they're not counting moose too, right?
   98. BeanoCook Posted: July 23, 2008 at 04:22 PM (#2869459)
7 Alaska 14 2.17

??!!


Sample size!
   99. Danny Posted: July 23, 2008 at 04:45 PM (#2869473)
On the edge toward town, or toward lovely Aala park?

I work on the corner of Bishop & Nimitz, across from Aloha Tower.


On Bethel, between King and Nimitz.
   100. _ Posted: July 23, 2008 at 04:55 PM (#2869483)
Greg Maddox Ford

"Greg Maddux Greg" would be funnier.
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