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Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Barry Bonds jury: lukewarm on baseball and Balco

Guess Juror No. 7 doesn’t have tickets to a ballgame.

For all the worry about hype on the Internet, lawyers in the perjury trial of home run king Barry Bonds selected a jury Monday that is ambivalent about the former Giants superstar and relatively oblivious to the Balco steroids scandal.

It is a panel with a few baseball fans, just a couple who favor the San Francisco Giants, but no one who would paint their faces black and orange. Most chosen said they had no opinion at all about Bonds, and scant exposure to Balco, the defunct Peninsula lab linked to peddling performance enhancing drugs to a wide range of professional athletes, from Olympians to baseball players.

Despite all the hoopla surrounding the trial, one juror, a Martinez woman, wrote of the Bonds and Balco topic: “Today is the first I’ve heard anything at all.” She was picked to consider Bonds’ fate.

...The answers on the questionnaires ruled out a large number of the potential jurors from the start, and others were dismissed after being grilled in open court.

That included one former flight attendant who remarked that she is “still recovering” from working on charter flights for baseball teams early in her career, and a San Francisco man who confessed he’d have a hard time sitting on the jury and “render a judgment against a great athlete like Mr. Bonds.”

The judge and lawyers stressed in jury selection that the case, despite its dramatic connection to steroids and baseball, centers on allegations about lying under oath to a grand jury. “You must decide the case on the evidence presented at trial,” Illston told the potential jurors. “You will not be asked to decide whether you like or don’t like steroids.”

Repoz Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:09 AM | 42 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3775383)
“You will not be asked to decide whether you like or don’t like steroids."


"... Just don't forget that they're evil."
   2. Grumbledook Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:50 AM (#3775397)
Despite all the hoopla surrounding the trial, one juror, a Martinez woman, wrote of the Bonds and Balco topic: “Today is the first I’ve heard anything at all.” She was picked to consider Bonds’ fate.


I know this is an issue that is hardly unique to this case, but which is more worrisome: that a juror might be picked that is prejudiced one way or another, or that a juror might be picked who claims he/she knows nothing at all about the case (which means she is either lying or amazingly ill-informed)?
   3. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:54 AM (#3775404)
Despite all the hoopla surrounding the trial, one juror, a Martinez woman, wrote of the Bonds and Balco topic: “Today is the first I’ve heard anything at all.” She was picked to consider Bonds’ fate.


It's been discussed here elsewhere (though really, what hasn't been discussed here?) but this country is full of people who have no idea who/what: Barry Bonds, Justin Bieber, Peyton Manning, Joe the Plumber, Michael Moore, Barney Frank, American Idol, Dancing w/the Stars, Bill James, Valerie Plame, Don Knotts, the robbery of a local bank, Martha Stewart's insider trading, etc. etc. etc. are/were. Finding this group of people ain't hard, it is trying to find the liars which is what makes voire dire so damn fun.
   4. Kiko Sakata Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:07 AM (#3775415)
I know this is an issue that is hardly unique to this case, but which is more worrisome: that a juror might be picked that is prejudiced one way or another, or that a juror might be picked who claims he/she knows nothing at all about the case (which means she is either lying or amazingly ill-informed)?


If you don't like sports or associate much with other people who like sports, I could see an otherwise reasonably well-informed person having virtually no exposure to the Barry Bonds case. It's not like steroid use in baseball is an issue that affects non-baseball fans or is of some vital national interest.
   5. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:26 AM (#3775444)
I know this is an issue that is hardly unique to this case, but which is more worrisome: that a juror might be picked that is prejudiced one way or another, or that a juror might be picked who claims he/she knows nothing at all about the case (which means she is either lying or amazingly ill-informed)?


I don't find it hard to believe at all that someone (particularly a woman) has no clue who Barry Bonds is or that there is a Steroids Scandal in baseball.

I couldn't name the first scandal associated with the NHL, or horse racing, or NASCAR, etc.
   6. bjhanke Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:33 AM (#3775451)
"Barry Bonds jury: lukewarm on baseball and Balco", meaning that the chance of a mistrial is greatly lessened because the lawyers have actually done their jobs in trying to find an impartial jury and discard anyone with a taint of bias. This is news? It's like, "The judge disallowed recordings of Bonds ranting to his mistress on the grounds that the rants have nothing to do with whether he knew what drugs he might be taking. The prosecutors tried to make the specious argument that they were evidence of "roid rage", but the judge saw through that in a minute or less. So, is there any actual NEWS on the Bonds trial?
   7. McCoy Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:39 AM (#3775453)

If you don't like sports or associate much with other people who like sports, I could see an otherwise reasonably well-informed person having virtually no exposure to the Barry Bonds case. It's not like steroid use in baseball is an issue that affects non-baseball fans or is of some vital national interest.


In the SanFran area?

There is a lot of things I don't follow in my area and that I am vaguely aware of. But for the most part if anything in my area was so newsworthy that it would dominate headlines for months and years I am pretty sure I would be aware of it to some degree greater than "I think heard somthing about it in passing the other day".

I mean I could understand if a potential juror is asked about Jim Leyritz and they have no clue as to who he is, what he did for a living, and what crime he is accused of. But Barry Bonds? Come on.
   8. Dr. Vaux Posted: March 22, 2011 at 02:54 AM (#3775466)
Barry Bonds, Justin Bieber, Peyton Manning, Joe the Plumber, Michael Moore, Barney Frank, American Idol, Dancing w/the Stars, Bill James, Valerie Plame, Don Knotts, the robbery of a local bank, Martha Stewart's insider trading, etc. etc. etc. are/were


Bonds: Of course
Bieber: Yes, but never heard a note of his "music."
Manning: Yes.
Joe the Plumber: Yes.
Michael Moore: Yes, but never saw any of his films.
Barney Frank: Yes, but only that he's a congressman (or senator, I'm not sure which) from Massachusetts (I think), and that he's gay (I think)..
American Idol: Yes, but have only seen a few minutes of it here and there. I couldn't name any contestants.
Dancing with the Stars: Yes, but have never seen a second of it.
Bill James: Of course.
Valerie Plame: I've heard the name, but have no idea who she is.
Don Knotts: Yes, and have seen him on screen.
Local news: Hardly anything. My girlfriend tells me things, but she only likes the people being stupid kind of stuff.
Martha Stewart's thing: I know it happened, but have none of the details at all.

I guess that means that I'm not very mainstream culturally, but we knew that already. Also, of any case for which I could conceivably actually be called to serve as a juror, I would have to, truthfully, say that I knew nothing. (Unless it was one of the "bank robber calls 9-1-1 things.)

I would say that my threshold of voting for conviction is extremely high, and I have a hard time imagining being sufficiently convinced (without something like color, sound video, maybe). That might disqualify me, I suppose. (I would be hoping to be disqualified, but if I wasn't, I would certainly do my duty as a citizen.)
   9. sardonic Posted: March 22, 2011 at 04:59 AM (#3775532)
This is fun.

Barry Bonds: Duh

Justin Bieber: Current pop star, former YouTube star who was discovered by Usher. Biggest hit = Baby.

Peyton Manning: Several time MVP QB of the Colts, played college ball at Tennessee, I think he shills for Mastercard? Once did a commercial about his laser, rocket arm.

Joe the Plumber: Pretty sure that the GOP used this guy as an icon representing the average American during the last Presidential election.

Michael Moore: Left-leaning documentary filmmaker/activist, directed Bowling for Columbine, Farenheit 9/11 and Sicko

Barney Frank: I believe a Democratic congressman. Not sure from where or why he's famous, but hear his name a lot.

American Idol: Reality TV show on Fox where the best singer gets a record deal. Notable alumni: Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jordin Sparks. Judges: Simon, Randy and apparently the recently replaced Paula Abdul. Replaced by Steve Tyler? And isn't Simon leaving after this season?

Dancing w/the Stars: Reality show on ABC. Some people who have competed that I remember are Jerry Rice, Apolo Ohno. Can't say who won any season.

Bill James: Duh

Valerie Plame: I think this is the former "CIA Agent" whose cover was blown. Can't remember the exact details.

Don Knotts: No idea

The robbery of a local bank: As far as I know, no banks in the Bay Area have been robbed recently.

Martha Stewart's insider trading: She was busted of insider trading a few years ago, the coverup was worse than the crime, I want to say the stock was InClone or ImClone or something.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: March 22, 2011 at 04:59 AM (#3775533)
Grr ... b-r taking me to the wrong page
   11. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:32 AM (#3775542)
Wow Sardonic, you know all those folks but you don't know the most important of all, Barney Fife.

And I believe Paula was replaced by someone else. Simon was replaced by Steven Tyler (though I've still never seen more than a few seconds of the show).
   12. Lars6788 Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:34 AM (#3775543)
Wasn't he Mr. Furley on Three's Company and Andy's sidekick in the Andy Griffith Show?

Don Knotts: No idea
   13. UCCF Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:49 AM (#3775551)
It's been discussed here elsewhere (though really, what hasn't been discussed here?) but this country is full of people who have no idea who/what: Barry Bonds, Justin Bieber, Peyton Manning, Joe the Plumber, Michael Moore, Barney Frank, American Idol, Dancing w/the Stars, Bill James, Valerie Plame, Don Knotts, the robbery of a local bank, Martha Stewart's insider trading, etc. etc. etc. are/were. Finding this group of people ain't hard, it is trying to find the liars which is what makes voire dire so damn fun.

I saw my personal trainer today, and he asked me what I was listening to on my iPhone during warm-up.

It was NPR, and he had no idea what that was.
   14. AJMcCringleberry Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:54 AM (#3775553)
Paula was replaced by Ellen and some other lady last year. J-Lo replaced them both this year. Now it's Randy, Tyler, and Lopez.

Note: I haven't seen the show in years (I used to watch the first few episodes and laugh at the shitty singers).

I am aware of the other people/things, but would have no idea about a local bank robbery unless someone mentioned it to me.
   15. Lassus Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:31 AM (#3775561)
...or that a juror might be picked who claims he/she knows nothing at all about the case (which means she is either lying or amazingly ill-informed)?

Holy crap, seriously? I could call at least 5 people right now, some in San Francisco, who neither know nor care anything about Bonds or steroids or baseball.

This statement above holds some real arrogance that everyone gives twoshits about the same things you do or else they're lying or amazingly ill-informed.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 12:39 PM (#3775602)
It was NPR, and he had no idea what that was.


Straight Outta Compton!
   17. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:26 PM (#3775614)
Don Knotts: No idea

You monster!
   18. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:33 PM (#3775618)
Bonds: Of course
Bieber: It that a he or a she? No idea other than I know it's a "celebrity".
Manning: Of course
Joe the Plumber: Of course
Michael Moore: Of course.
Barney Frank: Of course
American Idol: Kornheiser's obsession, but I wouldn't watch it for less than 100 bucks an hour.
Dancing with the Stars: Vaguely heard of it, and vaguely associate it with Newt Gingrich, though I'm not sure why.
Bill James: Of course.
Valerie Plame: Of course, but don't ask me that in another few years.
Don Knotts: Of course, but only as the "Are you nervous?-----NOOOOPPPPPP!" character on the old Steve Allen show.
Local news: I prefer the Post and the local giveaway for that.
Martha Stewart's thing: See Valerie Plame.
   19. . Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:44 PM (#3775623)
Big investigation in my government days, lawyer on other side was really, really good, "normal" guy, worked BigLaw in NY. In middle of 1996 World Series, I brought it up as chit-chat. He had no clue the Yankees were in the World Series.
   20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:45 PM (#3775624)
   21. Repoz Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:50 PM (#3775626)
Don Knotts: No idea

AARRGGH! You have not lived until you've seen Don Knotts & Darlene Love tearing up Mr. Peacock!
   22. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 22, 2011 at 01:55 PM (#3775629)
Speaking of Don Knotts, they are going to remake The Incredible Mr. Limpet for some reason. Rickard Linklater is going to direct, supposedly.
   23. mex4173 Posted: March 22, 2011 at 03:37 PM (#3775709)
Bonds: Of course
Bieber: singer, YouTube, funny hair, Canadian, abortion controversy in Rolling Stone
Manning: Of course
Joe the Plumber: Yes, but I forget what put him on the map before the media blitz
Michael Moore: Yes.
Barney Frank: Some type of elected official, gay
American Idol: Was aware of each change in judging, could name a couple of the early winners
Dancing with the Stars: Know less about it than American Idol, ex-athletes do well
Bill James: Of course.
Valerie Plame: CIA agent, got cover blown and hung out to dry, no details
Don Knotts: Yes
Local news: Only if someone mentions something to me
Martha Stewart's thing: she did something illegal and went to jail

And I feel vaguely superior, because some of those are pretty heavily American things, as opposed to North American or World


I couldn't name the first scandal associated with the NHL,


Currently, concussions and miscellanea relating to (other head injuries, suspension etc.)
previously, the [non]sale of the Phoenix Coyotes
   24. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: March 22, 2011 at 04:02 PM (#3775739)
Holy crap, seriously? I could call at least 5 people right now, some in San Francisco, who neither know nor care anything about Bonds or steroids or baseball.

This statement above holds some real arrogance that everyone gives twoshits about the same things you do or else they're lying or amazingly ill-informed.


No, it just assumes that adults read the front page of a newspaper once in awhile.
   25. The District Attorney Posted: March 22, 2011 at 04:18 PM (#3775760)
the front page of a newspaper
Front page of a what, now?
   26. Javy Joan Baez (chris h.) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:20 PM (#3775819)
Bonds: Of course.
Bieber: Celebrity. I think male. Music-related? I really don't know.
Manning: Yep.
Joe the Plumber: Yep.
Michael Moore: Yep. Often disagree with his politics, but love his movies.
Barney Frank: Vaguely.
American Idol: Know what it is, but have never watched a minute of it.
Dancing with the Stars: Sort of know what it is, but have never watched a minute of it.
Bill James: Of course.
Valerie Plame: No idea.
Don Knotts: Of course.
Local news: Only really big stories. I know Chicago had a mayoral election recently (I live in the burbs, so it's not like I was eligible to vote in it). Stuff like that, or the bid for the Olympics. Nothing else, unless it's sports-related.
Martha Stewart's thing: Insider trading, right? Did some time at a white-collar joint.
   27. Javy Joan Baez (chris h.) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:23 PM (#3775822)
the front page of a newspaper

Front page of a what, now?

I remember those. My dad got them when I was a kid.
   28. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:28 PM (#3775829)
Newspapers still have their uses.
   29. tshipman Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:37 PM (#3775843)
Bonds: Of course
Bieber: As others have mentioned--Canadian teenager, looks a lot like a lesbian, sounds weird when you slow his songs down 800%.
Manning: Yes.
Joe the Plumber: Joe Wurzelbach (something Polish like that). Asked Obama a somewhat stupid question at a campaign event, became a minor Republican sensation.
Michael Moore: Yes. Interesting documentary filmmaker who uses some controversial techniques and is constantly held up by the right as being some kind of Limbaugh equivalent.
Barney Frank: Congressman from Massachussets. Was involved in a gay prostitute scandal in the 80's. Influential member of House Finance committee. Gets slagged by Republicans because he's proposing greater regulation.
American Idol: Watched the first season. Generally haven't watched it. I do know who the judges are.
Dancing with the Stars: Watched the first season, rooted for Jerry Rice. Generally fun, but have no interest in watching subsequent seasons.
Bill James: Of course.
Valerie Plame: Minor sensation due to being outed as CIA in retaliation for her husband's leaks about Yellowcake Uranium. Scooter Libby was convicted, but probably was actually headed up by Rove or Cheney.
Don Knotts: Very funny, especially as he got older.
Local news: Never ever watch.
Martha Stewart's thing: Convicted for insider trading for selling ImClone stock right before it tanked. Probably got a raw deal.
   30. Ron J Posted: March 22, 2011 at 05:45 PM (#3775857)
#29 Nope. Martha went to prison for lying to investigators about what she did. They were in fact investigating her for insider trading but she was never prosecuted for that.
   31. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:41 PM (#3775932)
From ESPN:

SAN FRANCISCO -- A federal prosecutor says it's "ridiculous and unbelievable" that Barry Bonds thought he was taking flaxseed oil and arthritis cream when his personal trainer gave him steroids.

...

When it was their turn for an opening statement, Allen Ruby, Bonds' lead attorney and a former professional wrestling announcer, acknowledged in a deep baritone that Bonds did take two designer steroids called the "cream" and the "clear." But Bonds did so unwittingly, Ruby said.
   32. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:42 PM (#3775935)
Also, Greg Anderson back in jail on contempt. Probably for the duration of the trial. Illston is happy to jail him again -- over Geragos's objections as further jail time being "punitive rather than coercive" -- but is not willing to fine him as Parrella wanted.

Illston did make a personal plea to Anderson, while he was on the stand in front of her, that he testify.
   33. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:46 PM (#3775940)
Mercury News has been liveblogging the trial.


Also, Greg Anderson back in jail on contempt. Probably for the duration of the trial. Illston is happy to jail him again -- over Geragos's objections as further jail time being "punitive rather than coercive" -- but is not willing to fine him as Parella wanted.
I was waiting for the shocker where he suddenly came to the stand and proclaimed Bonds' innocence in testimony. Oh well.
   34. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3775945)
I couldn't name the first scandal associated with the NHL,
Apparently, it's filled with Canadians.
NASCAR, etc.
Turns out that it's just a bunch of cars driving in circles.
   35. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:50 PM (#3775948)
Thanks for the Mercury News link, David. I was going by the live snippets that Mark F-W was filing for ESPN.
   36. tshipman Posted: March 22, 2011 at 06:57 PM (#3775958)
When it was their turn for an opening statement, Allen Ruby, Bonds' lead attorney and a former professional wrestling announcer, acknowledged in a deep baritone that Bonds did take two designer steroids called the "cream" and the "clear." But Bonds did so unwittingly, Ruby said.


That's a hell of a career path.

Apparently, it's filled with Canadians.


AND Russians. Two Communist countries! How will the NHL recover from these crippling scandals?
   37. simon bedford Posted: March 22, 2011 at 07:03 PM (#3775966)
American Idol? the victorian freak show never went away only now the bewileder are wheeled out to be snickered at by multi-millionaires!
   38. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 07:09 PM (#3775972)
Bonds: Who?
Bieber: Some sort of pop star popular with teen girls, I think. Wouldn't know him from Madeline Albright.
Manning: Yes.
Joe the Plumber: Yes.
Michael Moore: Yes.
Barney Frank: Yes.
American Idol: Yes. Not a fan, but wife used to watch so I used to catch snippets.
Dancing with the Stars: Never seen a second of it. Have seen promos for it during other shows, so I know a handful of the contestants, although I can't recall any besides Bristol Palin.
Bill James: Pitched for a few years in the deadball era.
Valerie Plame: Yes.
Don Knotts: Some sort of comic actor, using the standards of pre-1980s tv, I think.
Local news: If it's big enough to make the NYT, I know about it. Or small enough to make our local town paper (you know, the kind that prints the police blotter and tells you which variances the local planning board has granted or declined.)
Martha Stewart's insider trading: convicted of 18 USC § 1001, not insider trading.
   39. stanmvp48 Posted: March 22, 2011 at 09:03 PM (#3776017)
I am just moderately curious. Does anyone know the racial composition of the jury?
   40. . Posted: March 22, 2011 at 09:06 PM (#3776021)
So Barry Bonds used steroids, huh?
   41. Ray (CTL) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 09:13 PM (#3776029)
#39, there's a (very) brief description of each of the jurors in the link I posted in #35. 8 women, 4 men. Though ESPN did not see fit to disclose the racial makeup.
   42. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 22, 2011 at 09:37 PM (#3776055)
Coke to others: Regarding Martha, she was investigated for her involvement in trades which occurred in a company for which she had information not known to others, but was actually onvicted for lying to investigators (same thing as Scooter Libby in PlameGate) which of course was not orchestrated by Cheney or Rove, as Richard Armitage was the one who leaked it to Novak.

I was met with horror last summer when I told my niece I thought the name Lady Gaga sounded like a firework. didn't know her from a lady finger.
I really thought I was putting up some obvious people, I had no idea Don Knotts was such a B celebrity at BTF.

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