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Barry Bonds Says MLB Gave Him a ‘Death Sentence’: ‘My Heart, It’s Broken’

Barry Bonds was one of the most dominant baseball players in history, but he believes MLB has tried to shut him out of the sport since he retired. 

“A death sentence. That’s what they’ve given me,” Bonds told Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic.

Bonds has fallen short of Hall of Fame induction in each of his first eight years on the ballot despite holding the all-time record with 762 home runs.

“My heart, it’s broken,” he added. “Really broken.”

As always, my apologies for not linking to the original source, which for me is behind a pay-wall.

 

QLE Posted: March 09, 2020 at 12:29 AM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. helton Posted: March 09, 2020 at 12:42 PM (#5928987)
Poor poor Balco Boy. Please feel sorry for me. Not!
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 09, 2020 at 01:00 PM (#5928997)
MLB has tried to shut him out of the sport since he retired. 
I mean, working for the Marlins is still technically in the major leagues.
   3. ReggieThomasLives Posted: March 09, 2020 at 01:09 PM (#5928999)
The Marlins were barely a major league team when Lauria owned them, now under Jeter they are taunting a league without relegation.
   4. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: March 09, 2020 at 03:14 PM (#5929046)
If I had a vote, he'd get it, but let no one weep for Barry Bonds. All of his miseries, he brought down upon himself.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 09, 2020 at 03:23 PM (#5929049)
he took so much Clear, he disappeared
   6. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 09, 2020 at 04:08 PM (#5929070)
I thought he was supposed to be pretty smart. He has to understand why he's in the position he is. Barry, just go away quietly, enjoy your millions. Or become the next Pete Rose, if that's what you want. Or, roid up again and become a wonderful heel in the WWE.

And yeah, I'd vote for him for the Hall because baseball/Selig completely ###### up the steroids thing.
   7. PreservedFish Posted: March 09, 2020 at 04:29 PM (#5929071)
Is anyone else as fascinated by comment #1 as I am?
   8. Itchy Row Posted: March 09, 2020 at 04:33 PM (#5929073)
I'm fascinated by #1's member stats:
Join Date: May 15, 2007 02:04 PM
Total Comments: 5
   9. PreservedFish Posted: March 09, 2020 at 04:49 PM (#5929077)
Exactly. And I haven't seen someone use "Not!" in, like, decades. And the crude anger about something that happened forever ago. It's like helton was frozen in 2007, perhaps as a teenager, and was only recently defrosted.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 09, 2020 at 04:55 PM (#5929080)
And I haven't seen someone use "Not!" in, like, decades. And the crude anger about something that happened forever ago. It's like helton was frozen in 2007, perhaps as a teenager, and was only recently defrosted.
You got Wayne's World and Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer in there...now do Sprockets.
   11. Itchy Row Posted: March 09, 2020 at 04:56 PM (#5929082)
Now is the time on BTF when we dance for Barry!
   12. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: March 09, 2020 at 06:56 PM (#5929108)
Victor Conte was here to pump...YOU UP!
   13. ReggieThomasLives Posted: March 09, 2020 at 08:38 PM (#5929121)
It's weird he went into cycling immediately after retiring.
   14. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:00 PM (#5929124)
I hope it's actually Todd Helton. Angry about Bonds winning all the MVP awards through the prime of his career, he decided to get even and joined an internet chat board so as to write disparaging comments about Bonds once every third year or so.
   15. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:16 PM (#5929125)
It's weird he went into cycling immediately after retiring.


This is sarcasm right?

Because if not, then cycling is a totally logical step to take once you have the illegal drug taking regime down pat....

   16. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:24 PM (#5929126)
“My heart, it’s broken,” Bonds added. “Really broken.”


It just feels that way because it's enlarged.
   17. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:37 PM (#5929131)
Barry as a MLB player; Awesome and I would vote for him for the HOF

Barry as a decent human being? He's a pathological liar, cheating husband and allegations of abuse towards his mistress; he doesn't seem like a really good guy.
   18. bbmck Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:50 PM (#5929134)
MVP winners with Roger Clemens, Jose Canseco, Barry Bonds, Ken Caminiti, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, Alex Rodriguez and Ryan Braun and EDIT - Lenny Dykstra disqualified:

1986 - Don Mattingly
1988 - Mike Greenwell
1990 - Bobby Bonilla
1992 - Terry Pendleton
1993 - David Justice

1996 - Mike Piazza
1998 - Moises Alou
2000 - Frank Thomas
2001 - Luis Gonzalez
2002 - Albert Pujols, Alfonso Soriano

2003 - Albert Pujols, Carlos Delgado
2004 - Adrian Beltre
2005 - David Ortiz
2007 - Magglio Ordonez
2011 - Matt Kemp

2010 - Miguel Cabrera if you also disqualify Josh Hamilton. I think that's all the "proven" PED users according to typical media assertions.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:54 PM (#5929136)
1993 - David Justice
   20. eric Posted: March 09, 2020 at 09:57 PM (#5929138)
When I look at that list in #18 I don't feel like it's much if any cleaner than the disqualified list. Only the 80's guys would make me eve have to think about whether or not I'd bet that they'd used steroids at some point in their career. And I still probably would.
   21. Booey Posted: March 09, 2020 at 10:33 PM (#5929140)
To be fair, Bonds wasn't believed to be using in 1990, 1992, or 1993. And was Clemens using in 1986? Sosa is also just assumed rather than proven. Luis Gonzalez is every bit as suspicious as Sammy, IMO. Ortiz allegedly also failed an "anonymous" test.
   22. Rally Posted: March 10, 2020 at 08:51 AM (#5929164)
Was Hamilton a PED guy? I don't recall any rumors of that. He sure abused a lot of other drugs, but those hurt his career.
   23. Rally Posted: March 10, 2020 at 09:09 AM (#5929165)
Bonds was the best hitter in baseball in 2007. I don't hold a grudge against what MLB did for Bonds' sake. Bonds was a jerk. But I do hold a grudge for what MLB deprived the fans of. I really wanted to see how long an all-time great hitter like that could sustain his production before age inevitably took it's toll. I think we've had 3 chances at seeing the answer in history:

1. Babe Ruth could have been there but didn't keep himself in shape. Even as a fat 39 year old he had a 160 OPS+.
2. Ted Williams had a 190 OPS+ and finished the 1960 season aged 42. He left the game willingly (and spectacularly). He might have stuck around a few more years if the DH rule had been in place earlier.
3. Bonds
   24. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 10, 2020 at 09:58 AM (#5929174)
Greek tragedy.

Guy who is great at baseball. But he thinks people don't think he is great. Takes magic pill, becomes truly great. Sets biggest record in sports. No one respects the record or the man.


   25. Rusty Priske Posted: March 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM (#5929190)
You are all pretty harsh.

Bonds got screwed over. Period.
   26. pikepredator Posted: March 10, 2020 at 10:43 AM (#5929193)
When I look at that list in #18 I don't feel like it's much if any cleaner than the disqualified list. Only the 80's guys would make me eve have to think about whether or not I'd bet that they'd used steroids at some point in their career. And I still probably would.


Agreed. Frank Thomas had the size and consistent candor to make me think he didn't juice. If he had, he probably would've hit 80 HR. But that late-career resurgence is curious.

I say this as someone who thinks most of the league juiced to one degree or another and it's silly to try and separate users from non-users, particularly pre-testing. I've always found it incomprehensible that a slugging shortstop who never missed a game during the steroid era doesn't raise eyebrows.

As to Barry, you buy the ticket, you take the ride.
   27. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: March 10, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5929213)
That list of MVPs in 18 is also pretty boring. Mike Greenwell, Moises Alou? Eeewww….
   28. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 10, 2020 at 11:40 AM (#5929215)

I find A-Rod pretty difficult to stomach, but unlike Bonds he's not sitting around feeling sorry for himself. Barry could perhaps learn something from that.
   29. Cris E Posted: March 10, 2020 at 11:53 AM (#5929224)
People understand the Manny Alexanders of the world trying to gain a toehold or hang on to a spot, but a multi-MVP guy feeling that he didn't have enough is where he lost most people. Bonds' career in 1998 should have had him standing tall, on top of his sport. Instead he needed more. WTF, man, and don't pretend this conclusion to your Promethian bargain was completely unexpected.
   30. Booey Posted: March 10, 2020 at 12:02 PM (#5929229)
#29 - The Manny Alexanders are arguably worse, since they're costing someone else a roster spot. Barry's spot was secure; he wasn't taking anyone else's rightful job.
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 10, 2020 at 12:11 PM (#5929234)
You are all pretty harsh.

Bonds got screwed over. Period.
So he had a right to continued employment when he was a known cheater, brought bad publicity and was known to have toxic relationships with co-workers and sometimes management?
   32. Lassus Posted: March 10, 2020 at 12:18 PM (#5929236)
but unlike Bonds [A-Rod's] not sitting around feeling sorry for himself.

I hate to be a very common person here, but: Jennifer Lopez.
   33. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: March 10, 2020 at 12:18 PM (#5929237)
FWIW my recollection is that Bonds had a reputation for being mostly a good teammate. He just really, really hated reporters.
   34. PreservedFish Posted: March 10, 2020 at 12:23 PM (#5929238)
"Bad publicity" is the only part of that that ever really mattered. He was an #######, but not a team-exploding malcontent. Other cheaters and ########, most of far lesser quality, never had problems finding jobs in MLB. He was blackballed and scapegoated because he was too good and too prominent.
   35. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 10, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5929247)

I hate to be a very common person here, but: Jennifer Lopez.

Yep, and he didn't win over J-Lo by sitting around whining about his broken heart.

...

Wow, Barry Bonds is 55? (And Rickey Henderson is 61 and Mike Piazza is 51 and...)

I guess I always knew baseball players aged while they played, but the fact that they don't remain 40 forever (or 44 in Rickey's case) after their retirement is a real bummer...
   36. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: March 10, 2020 at 01:18 PM (#5929250)
Bonds was the best hitter in baseball in 2007. I don't hold a grudge against what MLB did for Bonds' sake. Bonds was a jerk. But I do hold a grudge for what MLB deprived the fans of. I really wanted to see how long an all-time great hitter like that could sustain his production before age inevitably took it's toll. I think we've had 3 chances at seeing the answer in history:

1. Babe Ruth could have been there but didn't keep himself in shape. Even as a fat 39 year old he had a 160 OPS+.
2. Ted Williams had a 190 OPS+ and finished the 1960 season aged 42. He left the game willingly (and spectacularly). He might have stuck around a few more years if the DH rule had been in place earlier.
3. Bonds

Absolutely. Bonds was a force of nature. Selfishly speaking, it's sad I never got the chance to see the end of how that would play out. Hard to feel sorry for the guy on a personal level though.
   37. KronicFatigue Posted: March 10, 2020 at 01:46 PM (#5929266)
What's the "value" of being in the HOF? You get a plaque, a day to make a speech, some old friends come up and talk about you. And then it's over. Everyone knows that Bond's "between the lines" stats warrant HOF. In some ways, he gets more famous by being kept out. If Bonds got in 3 years ago, he wouldn't be coming up in conversation much.
   38. SoSH U at work Posted: March 10, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5929272)
In some ways, he gets more famous by being kept out. If Bonds got in 3 years ago, he wouldn't be coming up in conversation much.


What's the value of being famous and coming up in the conversation?

   39. Traderdave Posted: March 10, 2020 at 02:04 PM (#5929276)
Agreed. Frank Thomas had the size and consistent candor to make me think he didn't juice. If he had, he probably would've hit 80 HR. But that late-career resurgence is curious.


His second career as a testosterone replacement pitchman is also curious...


And I say that as someone who agrees with you that damn near the entire league was juicing one way or other.
   40. Rusty Priske Posted: March 10, 2020 at 02:19 PM (#5929280)
This thread reminds me that people still don't understand the role of steroids during the time.

Yes, Frank Thomas used steroids.

Yes, Barry Bonds used steroids.

Yes, Manny Alexander used steroids.

A player NOT doing steroids would have been the absolute aberration. (And if they were ever injured and still didn't use them, they weren't being much of a team player.)

They all did so at a time when they were generally considered acceptable, by EVERYONE.

Until the crackdown, steroids were no different than pitchers using foreign substances. YES it was illegal, but it was also accepted.

Going back and punishing players who were using steroids then is unfair to those players. Period.

To be clear, I am not PRO steroids. I think cleaning them out of the game is a good thing. It is the revisionism that I don't like. It would be like deciding twenty years from now that anyone who ever pirated a tv show back in 2020 should be ostracized and imprisoned. It is just not reasonable.
   41. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 10, 2020 at 02:47 PM (#5929290)
Sorry, I think #40 is, at best, just a bunch of conjecture (other than the Bonds and Manny Alexander parts).
   42. Joey B. Posted: March 10, 2020 at 03:02 PM (#5929292)
"Death sentence", is that kind of like what you implied you would visit upon your mistress Kimberly Bell when you left her that recorded phone message threatening to cut her head off and leave her body in a ditch if she ever told anyone what you were up to?
   43. pikepredator Posted: March 10, 2020 at 03:45 PM (#5929300)
Sorry, I think #40 is, at best, just a bunch of conjecture (other than the Bonds and Manny Alexander parts)


Agreed. Lots of people don't speed, even though it annoys the majority of us who drive "safely" over the limit. I believe it was a high percentage but that case is totally being overstated. There certainly would be people - just as there were astros players who didn't participate in sign-stealing - who wouldn't want to put that stuff in their bodies. Plenty of hippies don't smoke pot. NASCAR fans don't all drink. And so on and so forth. Apologies for generalizing.
   44. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: March 10, 2020 at 05:25 PM (#5929320)
I think we've had 3 chances at seeing the answer in history:


Clemente was killed at age 38 if I recall. You should add him, although he wasnt the same in the 72 playoffs he might have been at the end already.
   45. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: March 10, 2020 at 07:03 PM (#5929332)
I really wanted to see how long an all-time great hitter like [Bonds] could sustain his production before age inevitably took it's toll.


Likewise, I'd always wished Mariano Rivera didn't just up and retire because I was curious how long he could have maintained his monotonous level of impressive performance.
   46. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: March 10, 2020 at 10:25 PM (#5929352)
Barry as a MLB player; Maybe the greatest ever, certainly in the top 2. I'd vote for him for the HOF Hall of Merit and definitely make him my starting LF on an all-time team. (Williams can be a DH.)

Barry as a decent human being? IDKAIDGAF. He doesn't bother me and I don't bother him.
   47. Howie Menckel Posted: March 10, 2020 at 11:24 PM (#5929363)
Yes, Frank Thomas used steroids.

I think if God is going to post here, he at least should hint at it in his thread name.

"I'd always wished Mariano Rivera didn't just up and retire because I was curious how long he could have maintained his monotonous level of impressive performance."

Rivera, generally a very quiet person, talked about this at length during and after his final year. he said he had absolutely nothing left beyond that year, which he knew was his last, and that helped him succeed.

granted, I make it sound like he's a coal miner and not a 60-IP RP with one pitch that nobody gets to see in consecutive AB.

but Rivera himself gave you your answer - he was done.
   48. bobm Posted: March 11, 2020 at 12:26 AM (#5929371)
[5] he took so much Clear, he disappeared

You're thinking of Sammy Sosa, not Barry Bonds.
   49. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: March 11, 2020 at 01:22 AM (#5929378)

#29 - The Manny Alexanders are arguably worse, since they're costing someone else a roster spot. Barry's spot was secure; he wasn't taking anyone else's rightful job.


And yet if Barry Bonds is using, that is going to persuade a lot more people to adopt his regimen than if Manny Alexander is using. Barry F'in Bonds is using? You better believe you ought to be using if he needs to.
   50. Ron J Posted: March 11, 2020 at 08:26 AM (#5929391)
#31 Toxic relationships with Jeff Kent -- maybe. (Can't think of any others, though I'm sure there were some) He wasn't alone. I don't think there's much doubt that Kent was sometimes difficult to get along with.

And lesser players with bad relationships with players have gained employment -- when they're good enough to help teams. If they're down on the depth chart they're almost always gone, but at the end of his career he would still have helped teams more than (to pick a player not at random) Jason Giambi. And to be clear, by the end of his career Giambi had morphed into a respected player. Just an easy player to directly compare to Bonds.

What bad relationship with management did you have in mind? Jim Leyland I guess. But as I recall Jim Leyland was a pretty strong supporter of Bonds. One that he just happened to have a high profile blowup with.

Bad publicity? Could be. I don't think there's any evidence it would have hurt a team's revenue (particularly if he was covering a hole at DH). Particularly as he was willing to work cheap. Still, that's a decision any team can make on its own and as long as the arbitrator believed any given team (as appears to have happened, and might even be true) he couldn't win any kind of collusion case.
   51. Mefisto Posted: March 11, 2020 at 09:31 AM (#5929408)
I think the consensus among Giants fans is that it was Kent who was the #######, not Bonds.
   52. dlf Posted: March 11, 2020 at 11:01 AM (#5929446)
What's the "value" of being in the HOF?


For Bonds? Probably not much. But for the lesser greats who came along before the generational levels of wealth that being a star brings about (e.g. Gossage, Sutton, Perez, Cepeda, etc.) it brings about a lifetime of solid earnings via the card signing circuit.

Frank Thomas had the size and consistent candor to make me think he didn't juice.


I'm sure someone, somewhere, played football in the SEC in the 1980s without using, but I'm guessing it was a 165# punter at Vandy, not a 275# tight end at Auburn.
   53. pikepredator Posted: March 11, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5929586)
I'm sure someone, somewhere, played football in the SEC in the 1980s without using, but I'm guessing it was a 165# punter at Vandy, not a 275# tight end at Auburn.


Fair point.

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