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Bartolo Colon, 46, yearns for one more season in the majors

Even though Bartolo Colon hasn’t thrown a pitch in the majors since September 2018, the 46-year-old is not thinking about retirement.

Colon hopes to pitch one more big league season, and if given the choice, it would be with the New York Mets.

“I thought that last year maybe I would have the opportunity,” Colon said on a video call with ESPN. “I know that if it didn’t happen last year, this year would be less likely. I’m getting older and the game is all about the young pitchers coming up. When you get older, teams no longer need your services.”

Colon, who has pitched 21 seasons and won 247 games, said his time with the Mets from 2014 to ‘16 held some of his fondest memories. He highlighted the clubhouse environment and the Mets’ young pitching staff, particularly Noah Syndergaard, who anointed him “Big Sexy”—which became the title of his recently released autobiography.

“That Mets team was really something special,” he said. “I’ve played with 10 teams, but with the Mets, the way all those players treated me, how that entire franchise treated me, from the front office to the kitchen staff, it was amazing. And Mets fans are the best. In the beginning, when they laughed at me every time my helmet fell off, at first I felt uncomfortable. But when I saw how much the fans enjoyed it, I asked for a bigger batting helmet so that it would fall more because it was so much fun for them!”

He added: “If it was up to me, I would retire with the Mets. I would like my career to end in New York.”

 

Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 20, 2020 at 06:20 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 20, 2020 at 09:10 AM (#5952223)
It's kind of cruel to publish the guy's body-mass index in the headline. We get it. He's a fatty.
   2. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: May 20, 2020 at 09:21 AM (#5952224)
We get it. He's a fatty.

That's why I lost the weight (although it's creeping back whilst under lockdown). If a thin man dies of a heart attack, it's a tragedy; if a fat man does, people roll their eyes and say, "Shoulda laid off the Ho-Hos, Porky...!"

Anyway, baseball needs to come back just to see Big Sexy again. (And he's only 53 wins shy of 300!)
   3. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 20, 2020 at 09:25 AM (#5952226)
(And he's only 53 wins shy of 300!)

The shortened schedule makes it unlikely.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: May 20, 2020 at 09:33 AM (#5952231)
his recently released autobiography


My birthday is coming up, guys. Just mentioning.
   5. John DiFool2 Posted: May 20, 2020 at 10:47 AM (#5952252)
He would in fact become a 4 decade player if he makes it.

When was the last one of those we had? Nobody active in 1999 is currently active, are they?
   6. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 20, 2020 at 10:54 AM (#5952254)
Was Carlton Fisk the last one? He qualified by playing a couple games in 1969 and then reaching the 1990's.
   7. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 20, 2020 at 10:56 AM (#5952257)
Bartolo Colon ended up lasting longer than any other Expo player by... 3 years?

Last MLB season:
2018 Bartolo Colon
2015 Bruce Chen
2014 Scott Downs, Endy Chavez, Maicer Izturis
2013 Luis Ayala, Jon Rauch, Brendan Harris
2012 Livan Hernandez, Carl Pavano, Shaun Hill, Guillermo Mota, Juan Rivera, Geoff Blum

Pretty sure my guess at the time had been Jon Rauch.

Anyone else out there?
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 20, 2020 at 11:01 AM (#5952260)
When was the last one of those we had? Nobody active in 1999 is currently active, are they?

Adrian Beltre got the closest but retired after 2018.

If Colon doesn't become a 4-decade player, I want to see Joe Nathan or LaTroy Hawkins come back and do it.
   9. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: May 20, 2020 at 11:17 AM (#5952265)
I'm sure Rickey! would be happy to steal some bases for somebody if they asked.
   10. Booey Posted: May 20, 2020 at 11:37 AM (#5952272)
Griffey (1989-2010) and Jamie Moyer (1986-2012) both did it after Fisk.
   11. Booey Posted: May 20, 2020 at 11:40 AM (#5952273)
Also post Fisk:

Rickey: 1979-2003
Raines: 1979-2002
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 20, 2020 at 11:58 AM (#5952278)
Anyone else out there?
Isn’t Ian Desmond the last active Major Leaguer originating with the Expos? Drafted by Montreal in 2004, debuted with the Washington Nationals in 2009, and now under contract with Colorado through 2021, plus an uninviting team option for 2022.
   13. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 20, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5952280)
So Ian Desmond is the last Expo if you include the Vermont Expos?

UPDATE: Craig Stammen and Marco Estrada were also on the 2005 Vermont Expos. Because for one season Montreal had moved to Washington, but hadn't yet changed Vermont Expos to Vermont Lake Monsters. Stammen is on the Padres now, Estrada is a free agent after being bad on the A's last year.
   14. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: May 20, 2020 at 12:14 PM (#5952284)
If being drafted by the Expos counts, you're forgetting Tom Brady.
   15. crict Posted: May 20, 2020 at 12:51 PM (#5952293)
To complete the list in [7]

2012
Miguel Batista
Geoff Blum
Livan Hernandez
Shawn Hill
Nick Johnson
Guillermo Mota
Carl Pavano
Juan Rivera
Brian Schneider

2013
Luis Ayala
Jamey Carroll
Brendan Harris
Ted Lilly
Jon Rauch

2014
Endy Chavez
Scott Downs
Maicer Izturis

2015
Bruce Chen

2018
Bartolo Colon
   16. villageidiom Posted: May 20, 2020 at 01:19 PM (#5952298)
If being drafted by the Expos counts, you're forgetting Tom Brady.
Imagine how long his career would have been if he'd chosen a less physically punishing sport than football.
   17. AndrewJ Posted: May 20, 2020 at 02:07 PM (#5952323)
Here's the complete list of four-decade MLB players...
   18. Rally Posted: May 20, 2020 at 03:23 PM (#5952369)
Looking ahead to the next time there will be a chance for a 4 decade player, best candidate is Elvis Andrus.

Debuted in 2009 at age 20, so if he plays to 2030 he'll only be 41. I looked for players who debuted in 2009 or earlier, were active in 2019, and born in 1988 or after. If he does make it, he'll likely pass 3000 hits. With 1700+ right now and an 87 OPS+, he'll be the new Johnny Damon or Edgar Renteria or Nick Markakis in people wondering if such a non-great player making it to 3000 gets into the HOF.

I guess I could stretch the YOB on the query - Andrew McCutchen could be a 4 decade guy, but would have to play until he's 43. Or Evan Longoria till he's 44. Mike Trout will have to play until 2040, when he'll be 48. Too bad they didn't give him a late call up the year he was drafted.

Elvis is the only position player on the list. Kershaw and Bumgarner have chances too. Chacin, Brett Anderson, Porcello, and Cahill qualify, but I strongly doubt any of them will last 11 more years, and we may have already seen the last pitches of one or two of those guys.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: May 20, 2020 at 08:58 PM (#5952531)
Of the recent debuts ... Tatis and Soto would seem to have the best shot among the position players, needing to play at age 41. Vlad would have to be the same age but, at this point, it's a bit harder to see him lasting until 41. Acuna would have to play at 42 as would Bichette. There are a few others there -- Lux, Urias, Kaboom. There are several that would have to last until 43, the most likely of which is probably Gleyber.

On the pitching side, who really knows? Top pitchers usually don't debut at super-young ages and, when they do, they rarely last (Mike Morgan an exception) while Moyer shows that guys with little early career success can last into their mid-40s. Meanwhile, relievers don't have super-long careers. Anyway, the youngest 2019 debut was Elvis Luciano of the Jays at 19 with 33 innings of relief. Next youngest was Andres Munoz (20) of SD. A few "big" names were 21 last year -- Luzardo, Soroka, May. The Angels gave 26 starts to 21-year-old Jaime Barria who got good results on a not-so-good FIP.
   20. bachslunch Posted: May 21, 2020 at 06:20 AM (#5952566)
@17: interesting list. Not surprisingly, most of them started their career in the last year of the decade. A few started far earlier, though, and it’s really intriguing to see players like Jim O’Rourke (1872) and Deacon McGuire (1884) here.

Surprisingly (given how punishing the position is physically) there are six catchers on the list. There are no third basemen, only one SS (Omar Vizquel), and only one dedicated second baseman (Eddie Collins). Of the 29 players, 11 are Hall of Famers, one likely will be (Vizquel) and one arguably should be (Minnie Minoso).
   21. Rally Posted: May 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM (#5952575)
For relievers, it helps to be left handed. Brett Anderson isn't exactly the model of health, but maybe he goes into the bullpen and sticks around like Orosco. Then again the lefty exception might not persist in the world of 3 batter minimum outings.
   22. Adam Starblind Posted: May 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM (#5952643)
For relievers, it helps to be left handed. Brett Anderson isn't exactly the model of health, but maybe he goes into the bullpen and sticks around like Orosco. Then again the lefty exception might not persist in the world of 3 batter minimum outings.


I was going to mention Orosco--he was a 4-decade player, post-Fisk.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 21, 2020 at 12:41 PM (#5952647)
11 are Hall of Famers, one likely will be (Vizquel)
What’s with the defeatism? It’s not over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??
   24. Walt Davis Posted: May 21, 2020 at 05:57 PM (#5952780)
there are six catchers on the list

Vet back-up Cs can last forevver. In the expansion era, there are only 63 seasons when a player 36+ caught in at least 80 games, only 8 at 39+ and Fisk has 4 of those and Boone 3. If you make that 30+ games, you pick up an extra 113 seasons. So on average, in the expansion era, 3-4 Cs aged 36+ will have a regular roster spot every season. You pick up former starters like Dempsey, Pena, Varitek, Santiago but also perennial back-ups like Borders, Blanco, David Ross (at 39) and even Todd Pratt was still going at 39. So it was 8 seasons of 80+ at age 39+ to 32 seasons of 30+ at age 39+.

That's still probably well behind SS (many becoming backups across the IF) and maybe CF (many becoming generic 4th OFs) but hitting is not a major factor in backup C roster decisions, teams just want somebody out there who knows how to catch. Lots of people in their late 30s (not me, ever) even with physically demanding 20s can squat for 9 innings once a week.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: May 21, 2020 at 06:09 PM (#5952784)
it’s really intriguing to see players like Jim O’Rourke (1872) and Deacon McGuire (1884) here.

Less so when you look at the record. McGuire was the manager of most of those late-career teams as well. In 1910 and 1912 (not the manager) he appeared in 1 game. In 1908 it was 2 games, in 1907 it was 7. No particular pattern -- one was the last game of the season, one was a random game (maybe his regular Cs were hurt), a bunch of PHs.

O'Rourke didn't play for 11 years then got one game in 1904 at the age of 53. That was a Minoso.
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 21, 2020 at 06:27 PM (#5952787)
You pick up former starters like Dempsey, Pena, Varitek, Santiago but also perennial back-ups like Borders, Blanco, David Ross (at 39) and even Todd Pratt was still going at 39.


Erik Kratz has a total of 316 MLB games played, spanning ages 30-39. I hope he gets to play again this year.

I remember as a teenager seeing Charlie O'Brien playing for the Expos and thinking "This guy looks absolutely ancient and his career batting average is .220. How has he lasted this long?"
   27. Walt Davis Posted: May 21, 2020 at 06:37 PM (#5952788)
I wonder if 4 decades was the 3,000 hits of that time. Eddie Collins made it with 3 PH appearances in 1930. Jack Ryan hadn't played since 1903 when he was given a single PA in 1912 and again in 1913. Jack O'Connor hadn't played in two years and on the last day of the 1910 season apparently started at C but received no PAs and was pulled after 2 innings. Coincidentally (or by design), Deacon McGuire started that one game for the Naps giving him his 4th decade. Kid Gleason's 4th decade came after 3 years off and was 1 game, 3 innings at 2B in an extra-innings game.**

Maybe it was an Irish mafia thing. :-)

Nick Altrock is clearly the wackiest in this early bunch. A pitcher, he didn't pitch in the majors at ages 33-34. Then 1, 9, 3 and 1 innings pitched for ages 35-38. Then none at 39-40 followed by 24 and 0 (1 appearance) at 41-42. Then none for ages 43-46 then 2 innings at 47 in 1924 to get his 4th decade. That's 40 innings pitched over the last 15 years of his career. He wasn't a manager so that doesn't explain it but maybe he was a pitching coach.

** Checking the box score, the starting 2B had already been pulled and his replacement got 0 PAs so maybe he got hurt and Gleason was all they had. I don't think roster rules were very tight in those days, Gleason probably a coach and emergency replacement that day. It was a tie game so not just a vanity appearance.
   28. Eric L Posted: May 21, 2020 at 06:44 PM (#5952789)
Walt, Altrock’s were comedy appearances.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: May 21, 2020 at 08:54 PM (#5952803)
"Nick's career as a major league pitcher may have been finished by 1909, but his second career was just beginning.

Altrock barely hung on in the minors for three years pitching and coaching. Then one day in 1912 when Nick was coaching third base for Kansas City in the American Association, he decided to imitate a film he had seen the previous night of a shadow boxing exhibition featuring featherweight champion Johnny Kilbane. Altrock opened with a roundhouse right to his own chin and fell to the ground. Then he picked himself up and went at himself again, as the crowd roared in bemused delight. Nick finished by knocking himself out to raucous applause.

Unfortunately, Nick's comic routine didn't amuse Kansas City's owner, Patsy Tebeau. Altrock later liked to tell the story of how Tebeau, called Nick into his office to say that he was releasing him. "Don't worry about me, Mr. Tebeau," Nick told the owner. "Why, with my face, I might break into movies."

And what a face it was. With a big wide nose spread out to his cheeks and two jug handles for ears, his face looked like an iron had flattened it."

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