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Posted: October 18, 2021 at 11:23 AM | 15 comment(s)
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1. JJ1986 Posted: October 18, 2021 at 03:46 PM (#6047212)The Rangers' actual Rule 5 guy this year, pitcher Brett de Geus, had a pretty rough first half, and was acquired by Arizona, where he had a pretty rough second half.
I'm surprised it's that high.
Josh Hamilton
Does he technically count? He was drafted by the Cubs then sold to the Reds ... which counts as his "new team" for rule 5 purposes? (I'm 100% fine with counting him, just saying he might have gotten missed in this exercise.)
Johan Santana (51.5 bWAR) just misses the cut, drafted in 1999 but debuted in 2000.
I guess if you measure success by "number of players sticking with the drafting team," or even "number of Rule V draftees who acquire enough service time to reach arbitration," 2020 might compete.
But I'd rather have a single Santana (or Bautista or Victorino or Hamilton) than 10 dudes who simply played well enough to not be returned to their original teams.
But they're not all equal. Bautista had to cycle through about five more teams before he was any good, so it's not like the O's struck paydirt. Santana, Victorino and Soria were obvious hits, and Hamilton kind of is (he showed enough in his year in Cincy; they just didn't get as much in return for him in the subsequent trade they would have liked).
Soriano -- injured
DeGeus -- stuck with Rangers, waived him (I think that's step 1 of giving him back), grabbed by DBacks. Pitched terribly, -1.7 WAR in 50 innings.
The Amazing Baddoo -- 2.1 WAR
Whitlock -- 2.9 WAR, strong peripherals
Sceroler -- returned after pitching terribly in 8 IP
Zach Pop -- great name! Drafted by DBacks, traded to Marlins immediately, 0.1 WAR in 55 IP
Jo Sheffield -- 0.6 WAR in 29 IP but questionable peripherals
Jose Rivera -- looks like he was returned
Oviedo -- drafted by Mets, sold to Pirates same day, -1 WAR in 30 IP
Vest -- returned after pitching terribly, -0.7 WAR in 35 IP
Kyle Holder -- returned
Nunez -- injured I think
Paul Campbell -- -1 WAR in 27 IP
Fenter -- returned
Stephan -- 0.5 WAR in 63 IP, HR-happy
Ka'ai Tom -- 1 for 16 in Oak, waived and grabbed by Pirates, 58 OPS+ there, released, apparently the Indians didn't want him back, signed as FA with Giants
Tyler Wells -- 1 WAR in 57 IP
Dany Jimenez -- returned
Teams also had an extra roster spot -- starting last year, active rosters went from 25 to 26 players.
should it count? absolutely 100%. did it count in this specific exercise? no idea. i didn't rtfa.
fwiw, the phillies also cut victorino coming out of spring training the year they took him in the rule 5 draft. he passed through waivers, which meant that he was offered back to the dodgers, who declined their option to pay 25K to get him back.
Is Whitlock the greatest Rule V impact guy in history, in the spirit of what is meant by "Rule V"? I mean, this is a team that was expected to be around .500 after being one of the worst teams last year, and was in the early part of a rebuild...and now they are two wins from the World Series...and Whitlock has probably been their second-best pitcher, start-to-finish (after Eovaldi). He's a Rule V guy who is being used in the biggest games, at the highest-leverage moments, and is nearly always coming through with overpowering stuff. There's no fluke: he is really good.
So, in terms of Rule V guys who ended up playing a lot *that season*, and ended up being huge parts of teams playing deep into the playoffs, is there any example that is like Whitlock?
What spirit is that? That the impact can only be felt in the season he was picked up and only if the team had a good playoff run? I suppose under those narrow parameters, it's possible. I think I'd still give history's greatest impact to Roberto Clemente, but I guess Whitlock is a close second.
I understood. And it's certainly possible that no one else really fits that particular bill as well as Whitlock does. It's just a little narrowly drawn for me.
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