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Tuesday, March 04, 2008

Baseball Evolution: Glab: I Hate Milwaukee; I Hate The Brewers

Glabba Glabba we accept you, we accept you one of us?

This brings us to the question of why a silly suburb like Milwaukee even has a major league franchise.  It has been one of the most futile franchises in the history of Major League Baseball.  It has a fairly small fan base.  It has a cold, unfriendly stadium, although the seats are pretty close to the action on the field.  From what I can tell, the only point of the franchise is to give Cubs fans a cheaper alternative to atttending Wrigley Field games, but the Brewers are now increasing ticket prices to the point where that is not even an attractive option.

The fact that MLB hasn’t made a motion to move this struggling franchise to an area of the nation that could use it makes you wonder whether there won’t soon be an expansion franchise in Gary or Joliet.  That’s a joke, but then, so are the Milwaukee Brewers.

I hate the Brewers.

Everyone was so excited about the Brew Crew when the 2007 season began.  They had all of these young, exciting players that were ready to take charge of a weak NL Central.  For the first month-and-a-half of the season, that’s exactly what they did.  I was one of the skeptics that didn’t buy it.  I was exceedingly correct.

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   1. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2705429)
1908 Keith.
   2. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 01:41 PM (#2705458)
Not to defend the stupid article, but the "1908" thing works better if your team's won a world series, well, ever.
   3. Flynn Posted: March 04, 2008 at 01:53 PM (#2705462)
Not to defend the stupid article, but the "1908" thing works better if your team's won a world series, well, ever.

The Red Sox have won seven of them, so...1908. Surprised the Cubs haven't run out a patch..one hundred fricken years.
   4. Keith Law Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2705478)
I was one of the skeptics that didn’t buy it. I was exceedingly correct.


He might want to stop patting himself on the back and check the standings. The Brewers finished two games out and weren't eliminated until the final week. He was "correct" in that they didn't win the division, but "exceedingly correct" would imply that they weren't in the race, which is false.
   5. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2705485)
"Exceedingly correct" is absurd anyway. Either you're correct or you're not.
   6. Mattbert Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:20 PM (#2705487)
Not to defend the stupid article, but the "1908" thing works better if your team's won a world series, well, ever.

Well, the Brewers may never have won a World Series, but it's been an even longer wait than that for the Cubs.
   7. JoeHova Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:22 PM (#2705489)
The Brewers have sucked for most of their history, that's true. However, the fan base is becoming pretty large. They should reach 3 million in ticket sales this year. Anyway, #### this guy.
   8. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:24 PM (#2705491)
It's weird to think of it, but the Brewers have won a pennant more recently than the Cubs. So they've got that going for them.

I've never been to Milwaukee...is it really like a big suburb? Is the beer as good as advertised or it that a lot of Miller hype? My brother lives in Chicago and I wouldn't mind taking a quick road trip up there to see a game.
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:32 PM (#2705498)
This brings us to the question of why a silly suburb like Milwaukee even has a major league franchise.

Wait - Milwaukee's a suburb? Double wait - Milwaukee's silly?

It has been one of the most futile franchises in the history of Major League Baseball.

. . . uh, this isn't the sorta line any Cubs fan should be throwing around unless he his life insurance policy contains double indemnity for boomerang-related incidents.

From what I can tell, the only point of the franchise is to give Cubs fans a cheaper alternative to atttending Wrigley Field games]

Spellcheck your blog posts next time, and it's only cheaper if you can get to Milwaukee without expending any gasoline.

The Brewers exist because Milwaukee is large enough to host a major league team. It's on the border, but if it ddn't have a team, it would be one of the towns people spoke of putting a team in. It's the Portland of the Midwest.

Wait - why am I bothering? This is tripe.
   10. Craig Calcaterra Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:50 PM (#2705518)
I've never been to Milwaukee...is it really like a big suburb? Is the beer as good as advertised or it that a lot of Miller hype? My brother lives in Chicago and I wouldn't mind taking a quick road trip up there to see a game.


No, it's not a big suburb. Sure, it has many of the same issues that a lot of Great Lakes cities have, but Milwaukee has an identifiable center, distinct neighborhoods with a rich history, and a surprisingly vibrant nightlife if you know where to look. This idiot doesn't know what he's talking about.

The beer: ah, well, your mileage may vary on quality, but the culture of beer -- as in appreciating that beer is a wonderful drink that should be enjoyed in all manner of settings -- is fabulous there.
   11. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:52 PM (#2705523)
The beer: ah, well, your mileage may vary on quality, but the culture of beer -- as in appreciating that beer is a wonderful drink that should be enjoyed in all manner of settings -- is fabulous there.

OK. I'm sold.
   12. Evil Twin Posted: March 04, 2008 at 02:53 PM (#2705524)
Beer? Miller is your standard macro-brewery. Leinies, as a subset, is better. But the real stalwarts of Milwaukee brewing are the microbreweries Lakefront and Sprecher. Sprecher also has a line of top quality sodas.
   13. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2705548)
there are no less than three direct bus lines from downtown to Miller Park. I'm starting to doubt that this guy was even in Milwaukee last month. The only other idiot I know that walked from Miller Park (County Stadium) to downtown, or vice versa, was Bruce Bochy, when he was ticked at his team for blowing a big lead, and thought he'd walk back to the Pfister.
   14. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2705549)
I've never been to Milwaukee...is it really like a big suburb? Is the beer as good as advertised or it that a lot of Miller hype? My brother lives in Chicago and I wouldn't mind taking a quick road trip up there to see a game.

Not even close to being a suburb.

If you're interested Miller Park has the most extensive tailgating facilities I've ever seen at any park.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:09 PM (#2705558)
there are no less than three direct bus lines from downtown to Miller Park. I'm starting to doubt that this guy was even in Milwaukee last month. The only other idiot I know that walked from Miller Park (County Stadium) to downtown, or vice versa, was Bruce Bochy, when he was ticked at his team for blowing a big lead, and thought he'd walk back to the Pfister.


While I would have no idea whether there is a direct route, why the hell would you expect to find one in the middle of winter?
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:18 PM (#2705570)
Not to defend the stupid article, but the "1908" thing works better if your team's won a world series, well, ever.

They did have 1957.
   17. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:24 PM (#2705587)
not shoveling for days after a storm? I don't think I've visited a city with better snow removal than Milwaukee. Detroit doesn't even try to remove its snow (seriously, not in their budget). Chicago isn't much better and Minneapolis largely ignores residential streets, which I'm sure Beano could validate. My wife, not from the great white north, raves about the snow removal in Milwaukee. If it happens to be half-arsed, the Alderman go wild around here, bare road policy.

If I recall a winter in Omaha, they push snow towards the center of the street even when there's no median, try turning left. Every other large city outside the upper midwest has a nervous breakdown when it snows.
   18. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2705597)
Not to defend the stupid article, but the "1908" thing works better if your team's won a world series, well, ever.


Certainly you have heard of the 1957 Milwaukee Braves?

Well, if you are familar with the Illinois/Wisconsin or Chicago/Milwaukee "rivalry" then you are certainly allowed to invoke the Milwaukee Braves 1957 World Series Championship. And why not? This is a legit championship for the city.

Milwaukee Baseball has indeed won a World Series more recently than the Cubs and it was over a dominant Yankees run where they won 9 AL titles in 10 years and 7 World Series. In the context of Keith crapping on Milwaukee, this is certainly fair game.

In fact, Chicago used to BOLD MILWAUKEE in the standings of the Tribune. Pathetic.

Reprinted 7/18/07 in the Tribune:
The championship was the climax of a fairy tale that had begun with the March 1953 move of the Braves from Boston to Wisconsin.

The Braves' arrival was front-page news in Chicago, too, where the Tribune assigned a beat reporter to cover the Braves and, in its daily major league standings, capitalized "Milwaukee" as well as "Chicago" (and did so through 1960).

Also, a lighthearted Tribune editorial, just days after the move, celebrated the franchise shift because it "makes us a three-team major league town. Milwaukee maintains a stubborn pretense of independence as a separate community, but everyone knows it is, if not part of our town, then our most flourishing suburb."


Chicago couldn't get a winning team of their own during this time, they have been jealous of Milwaukee Baseball long before the White Sox drew more fans in Milwaukee then they did in Chicago, during the 68-69 seasons.
   19. Hobo Hal Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:39 PM (#2705617)
This is a typical Cubs fan. If the Brewers were as non-threatening as he claims, he wouldn't hate them. His team is frantically trying to sign a CF and 2B Brian Roberts. Like this guy, their fans are on every board in existence proclaiming that the Orioles and Red Sox should be thankful to take their garbage. The rant is pretty much non-stop irony but his comment about their rotation being one of the best in baseball is a hoot. Zambrano is erratic, Lilly had a career year and still managed to bomb in the playoffs and after that there is what? Hill, an ok lefty and... Lieber... and... jeez. He talks about Gagne, yet his team plans to use Ryan Dempster, known by Cubs fans as Dumpster.He hates the Brewers because his team is in an all out effort to win at all costs and the Brewers are right there waiting for their turn at bat. I say, call this guy TheRiot2.
   20. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:43 PM (#2705621)
Favre retired in the last hour. He kind of took a shot at management too.

If you are familiar with Wisconsin sports, you know that the demise of the Braves coincided with the rise of Lombardi's Packers. Will the Favreless Packers give way to the Brewers?

Wisconsin/Milwaukee sports fandom is as high as, or greater than, any state/city, if their focus moves to the Brewers, I can see a repeat of a Braves type era with a string of winning seasons.
   21. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:46 PM (#2705629)
*sigh*
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2705637)
I will be willing to bet that the Favre retirement doesn't hold. He'll be back in 2009.
   23. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:53 PM (#2705640)
Certainly you have heard of the 1957 Milwaukee Braves?

Oh--are they part of the same franchise as the Brewers? Guess that means the Brew can claim the 1995 world series title as its own.
   24. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:54 PM (#2705643)
His team is frantically trying to sign a CF and 2B Brian Roberts.

Hyperbolize much? I don't think the team's exactly in panic mode about opening the season with Pie and DeRosa at those two positions.
   25. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:57 PM (#2705645)
Chicago couldn't get a winning team of their own during this time, they have been jealous of Milwaukee Baseball long before the White Sox drew more fans in Milwaukee then they did in Chicago, during the 68-69 seasons.

I'm thinking that jealousy's been pretty well tempered by the last 40 years, the Cubs' lack of a championship during that time notwithstanding.

The notion that "Chicago" is collectively jealous of Milwaukee as to, well, anything is kind of absurd.
   26. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 03:59 PM (#2705649)
If you're interested Miller Park has the most extensive tailgating facilities I've ever seen at any park.

And the worst post-game egress I've ever seen anyplace. You park in the middle of the economy lot east of the park for a sold out game, it takes 90 minutes to get from your space to the lot's exit. Without exaggeration.
   27. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:01 PM (#2705650)
Milwaukee is a great town. The neighborhoods are cute (that's the best word for it IMO), the downtown is manageable, and there's stuff to do. It isn't Chicago, but to its credit it doesn't try to be.

Chicago isn't much better

Untrue. Chicago mayors are quite diligent about clearing the streets ever since Jane Byrne beat Michael Bilandic on his perceived weakness of not having cleared the streets after the 1979 storms paralyzed the neighborhoods.
   28. Arva Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2705651)
retro--If the guy had only insulted the Brewers, I agree with you that the Milwaukee Brewers can't claim that championship. But he insulted the whole city of Milwaukee, so I'd say Milwaukee can claim that chamionship. Of course, going that route, you can claim the White Sox championship from 2005. Still , crap article.
   29. rr Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:04 PM (#2705655)
This guy must be a Hillary Clinton supporter who reads Beano's BTF posts.
   30. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2705659)
Still , crap article.

Pretty much. Really, what is there to hate about the Brewers?
   31. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2705661)
You know, I really do strongly dislike the Cubs, but the main Cubs fans on Primer are generally quite reasonable and, dare I say, likeable. Thanks for not being dicks, guys.
   32. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:10 PM (#2705667)
I've posted it before, but can't we all just get along? I miss those days.
   33. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:11 PM (#2705670)
And the worst post-game egress I've ever seen anyplace. You park in the middle of the economy lot east of the park for a sold out game, it takes 90 minutes to get from your space to the lot's exit. Without exaggeration.

This is where it helps to actually be from Milwaukee. Don't follow take the road named after the stadium (Miller Park Way); rather, get off on Mitchell and park in the lot north of the stadium. If you go right through the little tunnel out of that lot instead of following everyone else out the way you came in, you can get be on the highway in less than ten minutes.

As you said, though, the east lots are really terrible.

Really, what is there to hate about the Brewers?

In my experience, there is still a lot of residual Selig hatred that the Brewers unfortunately glom onto.
   34. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:16 PM (#2705676)
Wow! I never knew anyone hated the Brewers. WTF would you hate the Brewers?

Idiot.
   35. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:17 PM (#2705677)
This is where it helps to actually be from Milwaukee. Don't follow take the road named after the stadium (Miller Park Way); rather, get off on Mitchell and park in the lot north of the stadium. If you go right through the little tunnel out of that lot instead of following everyone else out the way you came in, you can get be on the highway in less than ten minutes.

Oh, he knows all about that, I assure you, as I've been cluing BTF Cub fans in on it for years. But when his friend insists that the tailgating is better in the east lot, well, I wash my hands of it.
   36. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:24 PM (#2705688)
You know, I really do strongly dislike the Cubs, but the main Cubs fans on Primer are generally quite reasonable and, dare I say, likeable. Thanks for not being dicks, guys.

Likewise for the BTF Brewer contingent. Off the top of my head, I can only recall the one ####### Brewer fan here, and we all know who I'm talking about. The rest of you guys are class acts.
   37. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:27 PM (#2705695)
East lot tailgaters are suckers, particularly if they have to get anywhere on time. Unless you exit the park entrance, as the final out is recorded, you may suffer a long wait. If you stop to take a leak, or walk slowly, you will suffer.
   38. Hobo Hal Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2705726)
Hyperbolize much? I don't think the team's exactly in panic mode about opening the season with Pie and DeRosa at those two positions.


You mean Pie or Fuld. Both fantastic supposedly, but still there is talk of signing Coco Crisp.

And neither of us really know what is going on behind the scenes.
   39. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:49 PM (#2705748)
Oh--are they part of the same franchise as the Brewers? Guess that means the Brew can claim the 1995 world series title as its own.


Retro-Shiite, you are kind of being an idiot about this. 2 clicks later I see you are from Chicago. Figures.
   40. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2705756)
This is where it helps to actually be from Milwaukee. Don't follow take the road named after the stadium (Miller Park Way); rather, get off on Mitchell and park in the lot north of the stadium. If you go right through the little tunnel out of that lot instead of following everyone else out the way you came in, you can get be on the highway in less than ten minutes.

Yes--when I go to Miller Park, that's what I do now, thanks to Weeks T. Olive's suggestion (hat tip). But before I was aware of that, man. That sucked. Took longer to get from my space to the freeway than it took to get from Milwaukee to Chicago.
   41. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:54 PM (#2705758)
Likewise for the BTF Brewer contingent. Off the top of my head, I can only recall the one ####### Brewer fan here, and we all know who I'm talking about. The rest of you guys are class acts.


Thanks.
   42. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:56 PM (#2705762)
Retro-Shiite, you are kind of being an idiot about this. 2 clicks later I see you are from Chicago. Figures.

Well, we can't all be enlightened as you. I see you still haven't gotten over your eating crow after having trolled Cub threads during the entire stretch drive last year with your "the Cubs're gonna lose this race 'cause they're the Cubs" nonsense.
   43. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 04:57 PM (#2705766)
Oh, and what Weeks said in #36.
   44. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:01 PM (#2705776)
Untrue. Chicago mayors are quite diligent about clearing the streets ever since Jane Byrne beat Michael Bilandic on his perceived weakness of not having cleared the streets after the 1979 storms paralyzed the neighborhoods.

"Diligent" is an understatement. Whatever else might be said for Chicago's public services, I think "obsessive" might be a better description of the city's snow removal. It's kind of amazing, actually. The salt trucks tend to be out hours before a major forecasted snow storm.
   45. jolietconvict Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:02 PM (#2705779)
Took longer to get from my space to the freeway than it took to get from Milwaukee to Chicago.


The other major mistake people coming from the south make is taking 94 instead of the bypass. You can also speed your exit by just heading south on miller park way all the way down to the bypass.
   46. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:03 PM (#2705784)
Likewise for the BTF Brewer contingent. Off the top of my head, I can only recall the one ####### Brewer fan here, and we all know who I'm talking about. The rest of you guys are class acts.

What do you have against Harvey!?!
   47. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:10 PM (#2705797)
"Exceedingly correct" is absurd anyway. Either you're correct or you're not.


I take it you're not married.

Best Regards

John
   48. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:10 PM (#2705799)
The other major mistake people coming from the south make is taking 94 instead of the bypass.

Yes, and this is especially true now with the Marquette Interchange project going on. Coming into a game, folks from Chicago should go 94 -> 894 -> 94 East to the Mitchell exit and park in the North lot.

You can also speed your exit by just heading south on miller park way all the way down to the bypass.

I've never done this - where does MPW meet up with 894? I'm not seeing it on this map. I suppose one could take MPW then take surface streets to meet up with 894, but I think I'd just do the reverse of the above (94 W -> 894 -> 94) if my goal were to just get out and get going as fast as possible and skip MPW altogether.

Of course, my ultimate recommendation would be for everyone to forget about leaving town right away and instead hit one of many possible places for a meetup.
   49. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:11 PM (#2705801)
The other major mistake people coming from the south make is taking 94 instead of the bypass. You can also speed your exit by just heading south on miller park way all the way down to the bypass.

That, I figured out early on. Going on 94 back into downtown, with postgame traffic and the traffic-slowing hard right where 94 turns south, is insane given the bypass option.

And for the record, despite the nightmare that is Miller Park traffic (unless you know the secret spots pointed out to me by Weeks), I like Milwaukee. I've always thought of it as a mini-Chicago (nice neighborhoods, universities, baseball, nicely developed lakefront), and that's not intended as an insult.
   50. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:12 PM (#2705802)
What do you have against Harvey!?!

Not Harvey. It's that caustic, abrasive pr1ck NTNgod. ;-)
   51. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:12 PM (#2705803)
What do you have against Harvey!?!

Man, I was starting to think that no one was going to offer at that BP fastball.
   52. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#2705807)
Milwaukee isn't a suburb by any stretch, but it's often hard to tell where the southern Milwaukee suburbs end and the Northern Chicago suburbs start these days.

My personal opinion of Milwaukee as a native Chicagoan is that Milwaukee is great, but the outlying areas of southern Wisconsin not so much. Then again I don't have a whole lot of positive things to say about Waukegan either so...

And no, there's not a Cubs fan on the planet that has any right to point fingers at the Brewers for their futility. I can remember the Brewers in the World Series. Neither of my parents can say the same for the Cubs.
   53. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#2705809)
it's often hard to tell where the southern Milwaukee suburbs end and the Northern Chicago suburbs start these days.

Mars Cheese Castle.
   54. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#2705811)
Yeah, Waukegan's kind of an armpit. I'm not really familiar with Kenosha/Racine/etc. Lake Geneva's nice.
   55. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:19 PM (#2705815)
Racine is okay by the lake. The rest of it, well, there's lots of liquor stores.
   56. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:26 PM (#2705823)
Lake Geneva's nice.

Lake Geneva may be nice, but to get there you have to go through Richmond: home of the most ridiculous speed trap in the state.

Bastards

Illinois state road posted at 55 mph upon entering Richmond Illinois speed posted at 35 mph Illinois state law requires a ten mile reduction in speed increments. Most motorist are not aware of the law and in court if it is not presented by the motorist he is found guilty of speeding


Truly lovely behavior by "law enforcement" officials. Willfully violating a law in the hopes of catching people who don't know about it.
   57. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:29 PM (#2705832)
I get to Lake Geneva via route 12 (I think?) off 94.
   58. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:30 PM (#2705835)
In theory, "Miller Park Way" does not run into 894 to the south. Your options (if coming from Chicago) would be to head 94, to 894 west, get off at Loomis Road, and head north on 43rd street, which ultimately becomes Miller Park Way.

Escaping Miller Park east via Canal Street out of the east lot towards the casino is also a great alternative to getting in line with sheep headed for I-94, and largely ignored.
   59. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:43 PM (#2705855)
I can remember the Brewers in the World Series. Neither of my parents can say the same for the Cubs.

Hey, I've seen the Cubs in the World Series too.
   60. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#2705859)
I can remember the Brewers in the World Series. Neither of my parents can say the same for the Cubs.

Hey, I've seen the Cubs in the World Series too.


Well, we know in 2015 the Cubs will beat the Marlins, somehow, in the World Series. Patience, Cub fans, patience!
   61. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#2705863)
I see you still haven't gotten over your eating crow after having trolled Cub threads during the entire stretch drive last year with your "the Cubs're gonna lose this race 'cause they're the Cubs" nonsense.


I did that twice. But they sure looked good in the playoffs.
   62. Stevens Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:03 PM (#2705874)
I love the fact they're playing meaningful baseball in Milwaukee again. As a Cubs fan, I'm always excited when St. Lou comes to town even when we or they suck. The test for me to see if this wonderful new Cubs/Brewers rivalry can last is whether I'll get as excited about playing the Brewers the same way I am about playing the Cards once either Milwaukee or the Cubs start to stink (hopefully not for a while).
   63. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:04 PM (#2705876)
My personal opinion of Milwaukee as a native Chicagoan is that Milwaukee is great, but the outlying areas of southern Wisconsin not so much. Then again I don't have a whole lot of positive things to say about Waukegan either so...


I agree about Milwaukee, but outlying areas of southern Wisconsin are varied and assuming you are talking about Racine, then yes, I understand a resemblance to Waukegan. Although, Kenosha has more going for it in general than Racine, other than danish kringle.

Mars Cheese Castle is a dump. Unfortunate that there is a dog track, adult toys, fireworks and the Mars Cheese Castle just when you cross the border. MCC isn't even what you think it is. It is dumpy.

There are better places in the area of Wisconsin between Milwaukee and Chicago. There are a few good, cheap golf courses down there. There is even championship pie.
   64. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2705881)
This is where it helps to actually be from Milwaukee. Don't follow take the road named after the stadium (Miller Park Way); rather, get off on Mitchell and park in the lot north of the stadium. If you go right through the little tunnel out of that lot instead of following everyone else out the way you came in, you can get be on the highway in less than ten minutes.

Unless I'm mistaken you can't park in the north lot if you are reaching the ballpark from the west, you have to go past the park, loop around and come back from the east, no? I've always been curious about this.

Also, why is there only one footbridge to the east lot? Its fine when there are only 15,000 people for a Wednesday game against the Pirates, but it completely fails when there is a big crowd. You can stand on that stupid bridge for a long time.
   65. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:08 PM (#2705882)
I'll say that I find the Cubs/Brewers rivalry a lot more palatable than Cubs/Cards, if only because I find Brewer fans a lot less obnoxious, as a group, than Cardinal fans. Also, the driving distance between the cities is a lot more manageable.

And have I mentioned that St. Louis is a cesspool?
   66. Andere Richtingen Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:12 PM (#2705892)
I'm a big fan of Milwaukee. I visit a couple of times a year and I look forward to it quite a bit. Miller Park is a bit of a joke, and it's a pity that they put it where they did, but it could be a lot worse.

I have no idea what he's talking about regarding walkability downtown and snow removal from sidewalks. Maybe he mistook downtown Glendale for downtown Milwaukee or something. And although I have never done it, there are special bus routes that run to Miller on game days. And even in Milwaukee, you are pretty much never going to have to trudge through "a foot of snow" to get to a Brewers game.
   67. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:12 PM (#2705893)
I did that twice. But they sure looked good in the playoffs.

Whatever. How'd that crow taste?
   68. Spahn Insane Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:14 PM (#2705896)
And even in Milwaukee, you are pretty much never going to have to trudge through "a foot of snow" to get to a Brewers game.

No, but that does remind me of last year's BTF meetup at Miller; let's just say we were all glad for the roof. It was 19 degrees that morning when we showed up to tailgate. April baseball in the upper midwest can be kind of unpleasant to sit through.

Speaking of which--whose bright idea was it to set the Cubs' home opener for March 31?
   69. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:15 PM (#2705897)
Unless I'm mistaken you can't park in the north lot if you are reaching the ballpark from the west, you have to go past the park, loop around and come back from the east, no? I've always been curious about this.

You can access the parking lot from the city streets, off of Blue Mound.
   70. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:16 PM (#2705899)
Jill and I were just in Milwaukee and had a mostly wonderful time. I don't appreciate the city as much as I should or go there as often as I should.

They pour the drinks tall, strong, and cheap in Milwaukee, Gentlemen. Although, I think the Manhattan(s)? I had at Elsa's were $14. I don't remember, and with good reason. They were huge though (12oz if I had to ballpark it). I was hammered before dinner.
   71. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#2705904)
Also, why is there only one footbridge to the east lot? Its fine when there are only 15,000 people for a Wednesday game against the Pirates, but it completely fails when there is a big crowd. You can stand on that stupid bridge for a long time.


Actually, there are two options, one over and one under the road, but if you are standing by one, walking over to the other is not worth it.

Drunkeness is part of the slowdown.
   72. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:18 PM (#2705905)
You can access the parking lot from the city streets, off of Blue Mound.

My cousin and her partner (who writes the blog fourblockstomillerpark.blogspot.com) lives up that way right by Kelly's bleachers. You can actually walk to the ballpark from there place, something I thought was completely impossible.
   73. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:24 PM (#2705914)
My personal opinion of Milwaukee as a native Chicagoan is that Milwaukee is great, but the outlying areas of southern Wisconsin not so much.

What about East Troy? I used to love concerts at Alpine Valley. A Pearl Jam show there was one of the best I've ever seen.

I have no clue about snow removal in Milwaukee, but my memories sadly confirm that the Chicago area does it extremely well. I had more snow days during college in the South than in 13 years of school in the Chicago suburbs.
   74. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2705917)
What about East Troy?


Stevie Ray Vaughn died there.
   75. Hobo Hal Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:29 PM (#2705921)
Typical to hear Cubs fans whining about Milwaukee and Miller Park. Here is a thought: don't come. You'd think that the fortune it costs to visit Chicago or the bizarre traffic would somehow temper their condescension, but nothing ever does. It reminds me of an old friend from college who paid for about a half a semester by selling Go Back to Illinois bumperstickers.

And the outlying areas and suburbs aren't good enough. Gak. What about Chicago's suburbs? Is there a greater concentration of tacky and overpriced anywhere on earth? What about rural Illinois? Good grief.
   76. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2705928)
If you like Milwaukee so much, why did you adopt the hobo lifestyle?
   77. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#2705929)
What about East Troy?

Its all about The Elegant Farmer. They have the best Black Forest ham I've ever had. The interuban rides are cool too.
   78. Weeks T. Olive Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:34 PM (#2705935)
Its all about The Elegant Farmer.

The apple pie in a paper bag is fantastic, too.
   79. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:36 PM (#2705938)
The apple pie in a paper bag is fantastic, too.

How could I forget that? My local grocery carries their pies now, but it really isn't the same.
   80. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:36 PM (#2705939)
Eating at McGinn's on Bluemound and riding the Slimosine is another fine option as an alternative to the east lot. Same could be said for Kelly's, Long Wong's, etc.

You can access the north lot from any direction, you just have to know where to get off the freeway (off US-41 a/k/a Miller Park Way via Bluemound exit, I-94 to US 41 via Bluemound exit, or Hawley road to Bluemound, Mitchell exit north to Bluemound turn east to get to North lot entrance.)
   81. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:43 PM (#2705947)
Milwaukee isn't a suburb by any stretch, but it's often hard to tell where the southern Milwaukee suburbs end and the Northern Chicago suburbs start these days.

I don't think so at all, frankly. When I've driven to Milwuakee, I'll go through long stretches of greenery. It's like driving to Rockford, only with trees in place of farms.
   82. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2705960)
It's like driving to Rockford, only with trees in place of farms.

Well, except for the part where the destination is... Rockford. Ugh. Rockford makes Racine look fun.
   83. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2705961)
I enjoy both cities.

It disappoints me that the two states/cities haven't collaborated on a high-speed commuter train. I think it would be a real positive long- term for numerous reasons.

I would advise my Cub fan counterparts that some posters are more intent on hurling invective at fellow posters than of mocking that which deserves to be mocked, namely Lou's haircut and Ned's facial expressions.

Yost's empty gaze onto the field as the bullpen implodes is a personal favorite of mine. I always wonder what exactly is passing through his thoughts.
   84. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:55 PM (#2705964)
Well, except for the part where the destination is... Rockford. Ugh.

Well, sure. I meant the trip, not the destination.
   85. jolietconvict Posted: March 04, 2008 at 06:59 PM (#2705970)
In theory, "Miller Park Way" does not run into 894 to the south. Your options (if coming from Chicago) would be to head 94, to 894 west, get off at Loomis Road, and head north on 43rd street, which ultimately becomes Miller Park Way.


Actually what I did was take MPW south to Forest Home Ave.
   86. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 07:03 PM (#2705976)
It disappoints me that the two states/cities haven't collaborated on a high-speed commuter train.

Agreed. There is no good reason for there not to be a Madison/Chicago/Milwaukee network of highspeed rail. Especially given how many Chicago kids seem to be at UW these days.
   87. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: March 04, 2008 at 07:06 PM (#2705979)
The Brewers were a .500 team in a crappy division ..
people went go-go gah over them 'cus ESPN did ..
people watch fishing, 'cus ESPN says too ..
people watch logs being sawed, cus ESPN says to ..
people watch dogs jump into a lake, cus ESPN says too ..
people flooded to poker rooms all over the country, cus ESPN said too ..

ESPN simply figured out what women knew long ago ...

American men, age 18-49 are the biggest bunch of ####### sheep you will ever meet in your life.
they are gullible dumb neanderthals, that can easily be led around by their wallets

..
Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated.

We’re gonna do it!!!
   88. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 04, 2008 at 07:09 PM (#2705981)
people watch dogs jump inot a lake, cus ESPN says too ..

I kinda like this.

Anybody else watch the weird dog competitions they have on Animal Planet? I get a kick out of the experts back in the studio. It's good hangover watching.
   89. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 07:13 PM (#2705985)
I get to Lake Geneva via route 12 (I think?) off 94.

Do like I do--start in Woodstock and take 47 due north. It's a snap. ;-)

Yost's empty gaze onto the field as the bullpen implodes is a personal favorite of mine. I always wonder what exactly is passing through his thoughts.

"...stick with the plan, Ned...it got you this far...stick with the plan..."
   90. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: March 04, 2008 at 07:28 PM (#2706017)
Yost's empty gaze onto the field as the bullpen implodes is a personal favorite of mine. I always wonder what exactly is passing through his thoughts.

I'm pretty sure he's trying to figure out what cavalry swords have to do with bullpen management.
   91. BeanoCook Posted: March 04, 2008 at 07:50 PM (#2706046)
It disappoints me that the two states/cities haven't collaborated on a high-speed commuter train. I think it would be a real positive long- term for numerous reasons.


I think the Milwaukee area has a lot to gain with a hi-speed rail from Downtown Milwaukee to O'Hare, in order to link the metro area with international business.

Of course the Amtrak in place now takes 90 min, so this hi-speed rail would have to cut that in half, at least. I used to be able to drive to O'Hare in under an hour from souther parts of Milwaukee anyway.
Good luck getting the local communities to sign off on that without a single stop along the way, slowing the thing down in the first place.

I don't see Chicago with much to gain from this, so it is unlikely you could get the political muscle needed to happen.
   92. BubbaCouch Posted: March 04, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2706061)
this year has been pretty brutal with snow removal, but they're doing the best they can. It's just been an insane winter. When every snow storm of ten inches starts with rain/sleet/freezing rain, it's almost impossible to keep the streets in great shape.
   93. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: March 04, 2008 at 08:21 PM (#2706073)
Cincinnati/Dayton should do the same. If you provide a platform for exchange the users will follow.

Cripes, all that time in Palo Alto has me sounding like a Google stooge.

Point remains though...
   94. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 04, 2008 at 08:23 PM (#2706079)
Really, what is there to hate about the Brewers?


If you were a 12-year-old Seattle Pilots fan in the spring of 1970, as I was, you hated the Brewers with a passion. And while I wouldn't use the world "hate" to describe my feelings now, I'm certainly still pissed off that Bud Selig stole my team, and that I didn't have a major-league team in my city during my high school years...
   95. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 04, 2008 at 08:31 PM (#2706090)
I'm going to be in Chicago before the SABR convention (21st to 25th of June), and I plan a trip up into Wisconsin with the better 2/3 (probably Tuesday).

-- MWE
   96. Bunny Vincennes Posted: March 04, 2008 at 08:48 PM (#2706113)
Cocktails at Elsa's Mr. Emeigh?
   97. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 04, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2706123)
Cocktails at Elsa's Mr. Emeigh?


We'll see what we can arrange.

-- MWE
   98. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: March 04, 2008 at 09:49 PM (#2706181)
people watch dogs jump inot a lake, cus ESPN says too ..

I kinda like this.

Things routinely shown on ESPN that are less entertaining than dogs jumping into lakes (not an exhaustive list):

Around The Horn
The seventeenth rerun of the Razz final table at the World Series of Poker
Automobile racing
The WNBA
   99. Stevens Posted: March 04, 2008 at 10:20 PM (#2706204)
All my favorite posts start with "Typical X fans" where X represents the team you hate. Really nothing better than that.

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