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BetMGM Retail Sportsbook officially opens at Nationals Park

etMGM and the Washington Nationals announced today the opening of the first retail sportsbook connected to a Major League Baseball stadium. The BetMGM Sportsbook at Nationals Park is open year-round, providing sports fans an innovative entertainment destination to watch and wager on games.

“We’re constantly pushing the boundaries to deliver sports fans unique experiences, and that’s just what we’ve done with the new BetMGM Sportsbook at Nationals Park,” said Adam Greenblatt, CEO of BetMGM. “Whether fans are attending baseball games or looking for a place to watch any sporting event, the BetMGM Sportsbook at Nationals Park is bound to be one of the most engaging sports viewing environments in the District.”

Publicly accessible from N Street SE next to Center Field Gate, the new sportsbook features 40 big-screen TVs with live odds boards that update as the action progresses. Visitors can place wagers directly with cashiers at six betting windows or utilize user-friendly betting kiosks. Additionally, the BetMGM Sportsbook offers full-service beverage and dining options.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 02, 2022 at 09:51 AM | 44 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rough Carrigan Posted: February 02, 2022 at 03:46 PM (#6063545)
Hal Chase: I was just pushing the boundaries to deliver sports fans unique experiences!
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 02, 2022 at 04:12 PM (#6063549)
Such a bad look.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 02, 2022 at 04:20 PM (#6063553)
It feels like MLB's gambling partnership is either going to be a fad that is largely forgotten about ten years from now, or it's going to result in an on-field betting scandal. Maybe both.
   4. Greg Pope Posted: February 02, 2022 at 04:51 PM (#6063559)
Such a bad look.

I'm sad to say that the Cubs are planning the same thing. Combination restaurant and sports book right outside Wrigley field. Supposed to open in time for the 2023 season.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 02, 2022 at 05:42 PM (#6063566)
or it's going to result in an on-field betting scandal.


How does a sportsbook in the stadium lead to an on-field betting scandal?
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 02, 2022 at 05:43 PM (#6063567)
It feels like MLB's gambling partnership is either going to be a fad that is largely forgotten about ten years from now

They may be playing to a smaller audience who isn't turned off by the constant promotion of gambling, but they won't care as long as the money keeps rolling in. Big Gambling doesn't build their huge casinos because every mark is a big winner like they are in the incessant commercials.

, or it's going to result in an on-field betting scandal.

You can bet on that.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 02, 2022 at 07:14 PM (#6063585)
How does a sportsbook in the stadium lead to an on-field betting scandal?
The saddest scenario would probably be the corruption of the batboy, who now envisions his insider status leading to riches on prop bets his buddies place at his direction during the game.
   8. Stevey Posted: February 03, 2022 at 09:36 AM (#6063660)
It feels like MLB's gambling partnership is either going to be a fad that is largely forgotten about ten years from now, or it's going to result in an on-field betting scandal. Maybe both.


If it looks anything like European soccer, it's not going to be a fad, and we're going to get more than a few players betting on games.
   9. Eddo Posted: February 03, 2022 at 09:39 AM (#6063663)
If it looks anything like European soccer, it's not going to be a fad, and we're going to get more than a few players betting on games.

What makes you think plenty of players aren't already? Every one of them has access to half a dozen sports books on their phones.

Gambling is here to stay in society. Baseball can acknowledge that - hell, embrace it and make a few extra million - and make sure they keep existing rules about MLB players and coaches betting on MLB games - or keep their heads in the sand.

EDIT: In the NFL, you have players openly discussing their fantasy teams - a form of gambling, how do you think Draft Kings and Fan Duel got started? - and the only rumors of anyone purposefully undermining the integrity to purposefully lose involve an owner doing it for non-gambling reasons. I really don't think a sports book opening up inside a stadium moves the needle significantly towards match-fixing or anything like that.
   10. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 03, 2022 at 09:48 AM (#6063666)
How does a sportsbook in the stadium lead to an on-field betting scandal?

It's not quite the Joey Barton-level scandal that [8] references, but I've posted the link several times before to a study of English soccer players reported by (I think) BBC where 1/3 of the players involved said their team's association with Big Gambling felt like it encouraged them to place bets.
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 03, 2022 at 10:17 AM (#6063671)
how do you think Draft Kings and Fan Duel got started?

Sociopathic Sports Bros + easy vulture capital money?
   12. Ron J Posted: February 03, 2022 at 10:58 AM (#6063678)
#10 Pretty sure that MLB still gets retired FBI agents to give the, " they will ruin your life if you bet on baseball" talk.
   13. alilisd Posted: February 03, 2022 at 08:06 PM (#6063766)
or it's going to result in an on-field betting scandal.


This seems unlikely to me. Maybe I'm missing something, but to entice a "low paid" player would still take a substantial sum when said player is making mid to high six figures, wouldn't it? So what's the payoff for the fixer? Plus, baseball is so difficult for one player to influence. It would pretty much have to be a starting pitcher, and a young pitcher trying to make his way up isn't going to want to throw a deliberately poor outing without some significant enticement, while an established pitcher is already a millionaire, perhaps many times over.
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 03, 2022 at 08:30 PM (#6063767)
Back when I was in grade school, there used to be a crowd of about 20 or 30 people who were always sitting together at Washington's Griffith Stadium at the back of the upper deck and right behind the plate, just in front of the tiny press box. In the middle of the pack there was a bookie I got to know much later in a pool room, a guy named Mickey McGuire, who used to shout out odds on various proposition bets before every pitch. There were NO BETTING signs posted at the back of the stands, but I never saw any police try to interfere with the action.

Even though gambling was frowned on by all the proper authorities, what Mickey and his customers were doing strikes me as a LOT more honest and less sleazy than what the Nats are about to do now. At least he didn't go around trying to solicit new customers. I've always thought that sports gambling should be decriminalized, but not allowed to advertise or in any way try to broaden its customer base beyond those who choose to seek out the action, and not the other way around. It may be human nature to gamble, but for the state to encourage it seems downright obscene.

   15. Eddo Posted: February 03, 2022 at 09:59 PM (#6063775)
This seems unlikely to me. Maybe I'm missing something, but to entice a "low paid" player would still take a substantial sum when said player is making mid to high six figures, wouldn't it?

Right, and also - what's stopping this from happening already? It's not like these potential fixers are going to be dumb enough to arrange a meeting at the sports book attached to the stadium.
   16. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 03, 2022 at 11:03 PM (#6063783)
Maybe I'm missing something, but to entice a "low paid" player would still take a substantial sum when said player is making mid to high six figures, wouldn't it?

The whales don't do it because they need the money. They need the thrill. Put another way, Michael Jordan doesn't wager 6 figures on a single hole of golf because he needs help making the mortgage payment.


Plus, baseball is so difficult for one player to influence.

The inevitable scandal isn't going to be in throwing games. It's going to be in the rigging of prop bets.
   17. Ron J Posted: February 04, 2022 at 08:07 AM (#6063795)
The most recent top level cricket betting issue did in fact involve prop bets and involved a ~50K payout to some up and coming players.

That's the kind of money that could prove enticing to players on the last man shuttle. And it's relatively easy to pitch prop bets as "nobody really gets hurt"
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 04, 2022 at 11:34 AM (#6063818)
The inevitable scandal isn't going to be in throwing games. It's going to be in the rigging of prop bets.


I think what's going to happen is some techbro realizes his college roommate's brother is now in the Padres bullpen, and finds a place where he can bet $500K that he hits the first batter in his next outing. He offers the kid half his winnings.

Having the gambling outfits in the park isn't what makes this kind of scenario more likely; it's the fact that MLB is increasingly inviting gamblers to have a seat in the ballpark. That spread isn't going to stop until there's a reason to stop it.
   19. Eddo Posted: February 04, 2022 at 12:51 PM (#6063831)
I think what's going to happen is some techbro realizes his college roommate's brother is now in the Padres bullpen, and finds a place where he can bet $500K that he hits the first batter in his next outing. He offers the kid half his winnings.

Having the gambling outfits in the park isn't what makes this kind of scenario more likely; it's the fact that MLB is increasingly inviting gamblers to have a seat in the ballpark. That spread isn't going to stop until there's a reason to stop it.


I just think some of these scenarios are a bit fantastical. The kind of prop you're describing isn't really offered at the mainstream sports books, as far as I'm aware. Here's an aggregation of "best player prop bets" from a random date I chose in September. If anything, the brick and mortar sports books will offer fewer random options (since the logistics of managing it with real people, instead of a website or app, is much more difficult), which means this opportunity already exists no matter how many teams partner with MGM or DraftKings.

I can see how increased risk of players fixing outcomes has increased as sports gambling has been legalized in more and more places, but that's an overall societal issue, not an MLB one. If anything, I could see an argument where MLB partnering with the mainstream books could decrease risk, since they could rely on the sports books' investigative arms to uncover any players that are breaking the rules.

   20. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 04, 2022 at 12:52 PM (#6063832)
Having the gambling outfits in the park isn't what makes this kind of scenario more likely; it's the fact that MLB is increasingly inviting gamblers to have a seat in the ballpark.

That's a good point. Now that MLB has its very own Vice President of Gambling, and once Sinclair really unleashes their dystopian future centered around the non-stop prop betting "gamification" of the broadcast, before long there will be players entering the professional ranks where all they've ever known is that baseball is something to be gambled on. Some (Many?) will have certainly placed bets on games as high school and college players from the comfort of their own phones, and some of them will be conditioned to be gambling addicts by the time they are professional players. What could possibly go wrong?
   21. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: February 04, 2022 at 01:15 PM (#6063837)
I'm mostly kind of amused that we still call these "sportsbooks," like it's still the 50's and there's a mob-connected thug in a hidden back room literally keeping track of bets in a book while the big Army-Navy football game is playing on the radio.
   22. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: February 04, 2022 at 01:35 PM (#6063841)
Practical concerns aside, it's also just a bad look. Gambling is pro-sports' greatest sin, the only thing that could actually sink the whole enterprise. And baseball very famously came down with an iron fist on it, to the point of banning one of their greatest players, because of the threat that it poses. They've got books about it, and Joe Jax is in Field of Dreams; baseball's opposition to gambling is practically a part of American mythology at this point.

Associating the game with gambling is rubbing off those hard lines that Judge Landis drew. It's messing with baseball's brand, and it's associating baseball, in the popular mind, with the one real threat that it faces. Rational or not, there will be people who walk past the sports book to their seats, and wonder, just a bit, whether the game is on the level. And that doubt is what professional sports can't afford.
   23. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: February 04, 2022 at 01:55 PM (#6063849)
Counterpoint: You're all old and grouchy. Young people like gambling and don't care about the Black Sox scandal, and this is a reasonable attempt by MLB to try to attract a younger audience to a sport whose fans are disproportionately old.

- someone with no interest in betting on sports
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 04, 2022 at 05:01 PM (#6063875)
I just think some of these scenarios are a bit fantastical. The kind of prop you're describing isn't really offered at the mainstream sports books, as far as I'm aware.


But there are six or eight outfits (at least) going very aggressively after a share of this market, and MLB seems inclined to let them do whatever they want. If one of the sports books thinks they can get ahead of the pack by offering wacky prop bets, I fully expect them to do so.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 04, 2022 at 05:21 PM (#6063877)
Rational or not, there will be people who walk past the sports book to their seats, and wonder, just a bit, whether the game is on the level.
If I was a bit more athletic looking, I’d walk into the Sportsbook 20 minutes before the game starts wearing the full uniform & spikes of an obscure player that most fans wouldn’t recognize, and place my bets while loudly asking the staff to hurry because I have to get back to the dugout.
   26. reech Posted: February 04, 2022 at 05:59 PM (#6063880)

If mlb is condoning gambling, pete rose should be reinstated.
   27. McCoy Posted: February 04, 2022 at 07:22 PM (#6063888)
Pete Rose did a little bit more than be a fan in the stand placing a bet with a regulated company.

I mean Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle should be reinstated if they weren't already.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: February 04, 2022 at 07:29 PM (#6063889)
does anyone really think they can walk in (or log on) to a sportsbook and lay 10 grand on whether the first pitch of a game is a ball or a strike?

aside from the unlikelihood of such a bet being offered at all, the limits would be severe. now, if someone wants to bet 10 bucks, sure. books would get that back soon enough.

but I have seen credit accounts of "sharps" who, after winning only a couple of grand in a week, suddenly find that their next $1,000 bet has been reduced to maximums like - no kidding - 20 or 30 bucks.

also, if it matters, apparently this sportsbook won't be open during baseball games in the park.
   29. TJ Posted: February 04, 2022 at 08:23 PM (#6063893)
If mlb is condoning gambling, pete rose should be reinstated.


What Pete Rose should do is be the first person in line at the sports book in Nationals Park with a tv crew in tow…
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 04, 2022 at 08:44 PM (#6063895)
Counterpoint: You're all old and grouchy. Young people like gambling and don't care about the Black Sox scandal, and this is a reasonable attempt by MLB to try to attract a younger audience to a sport whose fans are disproportionately old.
I think the end result (and probably goal, really) of this is to make baseball the same as what the baseball card market has become: A bonanza of new “interest” from young bros who don’t care about it at all beyond Something We Can Make a Quick Buck On. The day traders/flippers/gamblers have caused a major rise in the market, but suffice to say a lot of people are skeptical about whether it’s healthy beyond the short term.
   31. alilisd Posted: February 04, 2022 at 09:02 PM (#6063897)
The whales don't do it because they need the money. They need the thrill. Put another way, Michael Jordan doesn't wager 6 figures on a single hole of golf because he needs help making the mortgage payment.


And Michael Jordan threw a lot of basketball games/


Plus, baseball is so difficult for one player to influence.

The inevitable scandal isn't going to be in throwing games. It's going to be in the rigging of prop bets.


Ah, well there you go. I don't even know what a prop bet is.
   32. Ron J Posted: February 04, 2022 at 09:31 PM (#6063899)
#31 It's a bet on a specific occurrence. In the cricket case I mentioned early it was a bet on whether a "no ball" would happen. Broadly similar to a balk in concept.
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: February 04, 2022 at 09:44 PM (#6063900)
the Super Bowl has more prop bets than any sporting on Earth.

just checked on a couple:

Total Players to have a passing attempt is 2.5.
put simply, you win if a QB gets hurt (probably), if there is a fake punt, or there is a gimmick play (successful or not).
bet 100 on OVER to win 155.
bet 210 on UNDER to win 100.

total kickoffs, gross punting yards, etc.

Sack on either QB on their first play
Bet 100 on YES to win 2500

winning margin exactly 3 points
100 to win 450

either team recovers an onside kick
100 to win 2500
   34. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 04, 2022 at 09:50 PM (#6063902)
I'm mostly kind of amused that we still call these "sportsbooks," like it's still the 50's and there's a mob-connected thug in a hidden back room literally keeping track of bets in a book while the big Army-Navy football game is playing on the radio.

The biggest difference between todays sportbooks and those backroom bookies of Days Gone By is that there'll be a hell of a lot more people going broke gambling with sportsbooks. When you've got gambling advertising going on 24/7 compared to the only advertising being word of mouth, what would you expect?

   35. Adam M Posted: February 04, 2022 at 09:52 PM (#6063903)
If I was a bit more athletic looking


You could just wear a jersey that says "Kruk Jr." on the back.
   36. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 05, 2022 at 12:11 AM (#6063914)
the Super Bowl has more prop bets than any sporting on Earth.

Football Outsiders runs an annual column on the typical to the wacky prop bets casinos are actually laying odds on with two guys pitted against each other to see who would win the most money. Bets like.....

Game Odds
Over/Under
MVP
Coin Toss Winner
Team to Score First
First Scoring Play
Margin of Victory

to

First Touchdown Scorer
Longest Touchdown Yardage
Which Team Will Make the Longest Field Goal

to cross-sport props like

Which Will Be Higher?
Cooper Kupp Total Receptions
USA Gold Medals at the 2022 Winter Olympic Games

Which Will Be Higher?
Los Angeles Rams Total Touchdowns
Jayson Tatum Total 3-Point FG Made Against Hawks

Which Will Be Higher?
Total Goals in the NHL on February 13th
1st Half Total Points in Super Bowl LVI

to the really wacky stuff like

How Long Will the National Anthem Take?
Which Artist Will Perform First at Halftime?
Will Snoop Dogg Smoke on Stage?
What Color Will The First Liquid Be Poured on the Game Winning Coach?
Who Will the Super Bowl MVP Mention First in His Speech?
   37. Snowboy Posted: February 05, 2022 at 01:52 AM (#6063917)
22. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: February 04, 2022 at 01:35 PM (#6063841)
Practical concerns aside, it's also just a bad look. Gambling is pro-sports' greatest sin, the only thing that could actually sink the whole enterprise. And baseball very famously came down with an iron fist on it, to the point of banning one of their greatest players, because of the threat that it poses. They've got books about it, and Joe Jax is in Field of Dreams; baseball's opposition to gambling is practically a part of American mythology at this point.

Associating the game with gambling is rubbing off those hard lines that Judge Landis drew. It's messing with baseball's brand, and it's associating baseball, in the popular mind, with the one real threat that it faces. Rational or not, there will be people who walk past the sports book to their seats, and wonder, just a bit, whether the game is on the level. And that doubt is what professional sports can't afford.


This is it, 100%
Baseball has kicked some of its best players out of the sport for being associated with gambling, and banned others in their post-career from any official relationship with the sport because of similar associations.

If MLB wants to reverse course, they can do that. But that means they have to address their overall attitude towards gambling.

   38. Ron J Posted: February 05, 2022 at 09:15 AM (#6063922)
#37 That's just sloppy thinking. Rose wasn't banned for gambling -- any more than Rogers Hornsby was (and it's easy to document that Hornsby was a heavy bettor at the track). Rose was banned for betting on his team's games. (Well technically he's banned because he agreed to be banned rather than face a hearing on the matter)

And the Mays/Mantle thing didn't last. Bowie Kuhn overstepped his authority and that ban was reversed.
   39. McCoy Posted: February 06, 2022 at 08:04 AM (#6063972)
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sports-betting-in-new-york-165624206.html
   40. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 06, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6064041)
Kuhn may have overstepped his authority, but so stark was MLB's prohibition on associating with gambling interests that the casinos Mantle and Mays were celebrity schmoozing for didn't even have sportsbooks.
   41. Howie Menckel Posted: February 06, 2022 at 10:03 PM (#6064045)
true, these were Atlantic city casinos - at that time, the only place those were legal outside of Nevada.

the first legal sportsbooks in the U.S. beyond Nevada opened in New Jersey and Delaware in mid-2018.

I know the guy who, at the time, was a casino executive who basically was Mickey's "handler."

Mickey needed the dough, and the public's obsession with him was pretty intense. any charity event he attended raised big, big numbers. apparently living in a fishbowl is a bit surreal.
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: February 08, 2022 at 02:22 PM (#6064285)
story off tour of the sportsbook

"Michael, who lives walking distance from Nats Park, even wondered aloud why he should go to the BetMGM sportsbook for betting, rather than other bars near Nats Park where betting is also accessible on the BetMGM app. Given the BetMGM Sportsbook’s proximity to Nats Park, it’ll still likely fill up for baseball home games, even if ballpark spectators can’t directly access the sportsbook."

someone tweeted a query on whether this is a good place to watch the game:

Commander Chris
@slimceeVA
Ballpark prices for drinks, so I’d say no. Go before/after games to place your bets, then go to Walters or Atlas to drink.
   43. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: March 08, 2022 at 10:37 AM (#6067019)
   44. I am going to be Frank Posted: March 08, 2022 at 10:02 PM (#6067102)
The DC gambling law is the most ridiculous gambling law in a nation of ridiculous gambling laws. There is an app that is run by the DC lottery, that isn't used much. You can also bet online in a roughly two block radius around Capital One Arena (where the Caps and Wizards) play and Nationals Park from more traditional sports book operators. I live approximately three blocks away from National Park and cannot bet. If I walk the block and half closer to the stadium I can bet.

Additionally, you can bet legally online in NJ, DE, PA, VA and WV. Yet, you cannot bet online in Maryland - only permitted in person at a casino.

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