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Posted: October 14, 2021 at 02:49 PM | 22 comment(s)
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1. kcgard2 Posted: October 14, 2021 at 03:44 PM (#6046337)We have the raw numbers of black coaches hired...it might be natural to ask whether the raw number of hires matches what might be expected from the raw number of applicants. However, that's not reported. Is 2 out of 9 black minor league manager hires discrimination, or is it roughly the proportion of minor league managers that are black? Of course, it's possible MiLB has discrimination problems with hiring Black managers, but I doubt ASU is going to study that any more rigorously than they studied MLB.
In case this is still news: success as a player appears to be unimportant or perhaps even negatively correlated with success as a manager. Front offices aren't looking for success as a player in managerial candidates. In fact, they aren't even looking for experience, especially in front office positions. They are looking for analytical acumen and personnel management. These correlate with playing success approximately zero. So to all the candidates who are wondering why someone else got the job when you had a better playing career, the answer is no one who is hiring managers cares about the success of your playing career.
Well if we're doing percentages, 8% v 13% is a 38.5% difference, whereas 57% v 60% is a 5% difference.
Yeah, but they're gonna pretend the Negro Leagues were Major Leagues now, so, it's all good.
Context is for sissies.
It does seem odd given the number of players from non-US sources that the vast, vast majority of managers are US born and breed - I know for the Jays Charlie Montoyo has been a big asset in getting players to buy into anything and I suspect being from Puerto Rico has helped (Jays star Vladimir Guerrero Jr. was raised in the Dominican, Lourdes Gurriel Jr. from Cuba, Teoscar Hernandez Dominican, Alejandro Kirk Mexico, Jose Berrios PR, among others). Being able to at least speak the language your players speak helps.
How do you know it *isn't* important? Just because a manager is white doesn't mean he can't speak spanish.
And Lasorda before then.
#13 - very good point, that success breeds duplication. Cito Gaston got 2 WS wins in a row in the early 90's and Frank Robinson at the same time took over the O's from a horrid spot (over 20 losses to start 1988) to near playoff (1989). We saw more minorities get a shot in the 90's than ever before (Gaston was the first to win a World Series). Then things slowed over the years.
#7 - price of not previewing or re-reading before posting - rumored to be having a shot who were minorities what what I was meaning, not rumored to be minorities. Sigh. Price of typing and running.
a quote from the owner of the NFL's carolina panthers when he hired matt rhule:
All too often it seems emotions decide managers. Not logic. Right now there are LOTS of Jays fans who would love to dump Montoyo despite the team overachieving vs expectations this year. I don't think race has much of anything to do with it, more frustration over being so bloody close and still coming up -just- short. Yeah, he made a few odd choices during the season but in the end the team did better than anyone should've expected given the 3 stadium situation, the youth of the team, the mess the pen was most of the year (closer out before the season started, top setup man out after 10 IP for example).
The St Louis situation has to be 100% emotional based. The team made the playoffs 3 years in a row, lost quickly in the playoffs (2019 to the WS champs, might be the same this time, the Dodgers were a drastically better team) - is that the manager failing or the dumb luck of the playoffs? IMO it almost always is the dumb luck.
LaRussa likewise is partly Hispanic (not Latinx) and spoke Spanish at home exclusively since his Italian father and Spanish mother spoke Spanish to each of other and he learned English in school (in Tampa also at it happens.) his ease in Spanish was mentioned in some of his earlier hires as an advantage. He went to Tampa public schools but I don’t have an idea how English there compared to English at the Tampa parochial schools Piniella attended
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