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Wednesday, October 13, 2021

Blatant missed call in the Braves-Brewers game showed how broken MLB’s replay system is

During the fourth inning of Tuesday’s NLDS Game 4, Adam Duvall popped up a foul ball near the backstop. Brewers catcher Omar Narvaez botched the catch, but third baseman Luis Urias came diving in on the backup to make what looked like an awesome heads-up catch.

The problem: The ball hit the ground. Like, it was clear.

Braves manager Brian Snitker signaled that he wanted to challenge the call. The umpiring crew even put on the headset, and moments later, the Truist Park PA announced that the call had been overturned. It wasn’t, though.

The call had to stand because MLB replay rules don’t allow for catch/no catch calls in the infield to be reviewed. It’s fine for plays in the outfield because of course.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 10:11 AM | 62 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: October 13, 2021 at 10:42 AM (#6046053)
Replay is awesome! I can't wait for Roboumps on balls and strikes to be perfect and eliminate all controversy!
   2. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: October 13, 2021 at 10:47 AM (#6046054)
Replay is awesome! I can't wait for Roboumps on balls and strikes to be perfect and eliminate all controversy!

I mean, seems like the issue here isn't too much replay, but not enough replay.
   3. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 10:54 AM (#6046057)
Remember back to when MLB was going to use replay only to correct blatantly egregiously obviously missed calls? I can't wait until they go full NCAA where you can't cheer for the touchdown you just saw until the refs convene and replay confirms that the touchdown you just saw was in fact a legal confirmed approved touchdown. Manfred can't have his Official Gambling Partners of Major League Baseball™ paying out on wrong calls.
   4. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 10:58 AM (#6046059)
Remember back to when MLB was going to use replay only to correct blatantly egregiously obviously missed calls?


This wasn't an obviously missed call?
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 13, 2021 at 11:01 AM (#6046061)
I don't understand the logic of preemptively ruling out replay for calls that could be seen to be blatantly wrong. Nobody wants the replay booth to spend seven minutes re-litigating a balk call, but catch-or-no-catch seems pretty binary.
   6. pikepredator Posted: October 13, 2021 at 11:02 AM (#6046063)
Yeah if replay was used as a tool by the umpires for the purpose of "Fixing obviously bad calls and calls on which we couldn't quite see optimally" that would be awesome. unfortunately it's far too often used to nit-pick properly executed tag plays and slides, and managers have to know in advance how many bad calls the umpires will make (and when they will occur) so they can choose when to hold them accountable.

   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 11:03 AM (#6046065)
This wasn't an obviously missed call?

Compared to Jim Joyce calling Jason Donald safe, no, not at all.
   8. Lassus Posted: October 13, 2021 at 11:05 AM (#6046067)
It wasn't at all obvious to until slowed down and /ENHANCED.
   9. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 13, 2021 at 12:11 PM (#6046082)
Nobody wants the replay booth to spend seven minutes re-litigating a balk call
Then it wouldn't be appealed, would it?
   10. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:09 PM (#6046089)
This wasn't an obviously missed call?

Compared to Jim Joyce calling Jason Donald safe, no, not at all.

An elephant isn't big?

Compared to a blue whale, no, not at all.
   11. McCoy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:15 PM (#6046091)
Gotta love it. MLB limits what can be reviewed. All the people who don't want review then dunk on the system when it works the way they want it to work.
   12. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:16 PM (#6046092)
We've rehashed replay ad nauseum but what the hell.

The way to do it is not rely on manager's to request review but add a 5th ump (or even a 6th) to sit upstairs and, if they see an error before the next pitch, they call down and say, hey, wait, you missed it. The two umps watch the play, watch a replay and, if they agree, they blow a whistle. But they don't get any extra time. If it's not obvious on one replay, call stands.

Maybe umps wouldn't want to call each other out but that's a personnel management issue.

But that doesn't sell ads or drama, so we won't get it.

The idea of ruling out TYPES of calls is crazy.
   13. bfan Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:30 PM (#6046094)
And in other news, as the film clearly (also) shows, Alec Bohm still has not touched the plate. Okay Rob, we get you don't like us, but ease up, okay?
   14. . Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:33 PM (#6046095)
The way to do it is to just get rid of replay and go back to the perfectly fine way the sport was officiated from 1880-whatever until 2011. If people have such barren psychological lives that they can't live with a bad call here and there in a frivolous baseball game, tough titties. They can grow up.
   15. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6046096)
Arbitrary rules can be arbitrary.
   16. KronicFatigue Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:48 PM (#6046098)
#12 isn't exactly how I would do it, but it's damn close enough for me to be on board. A couple of things that don't make sense to me are

1) why teams get to review the play a bunch of times before they have to officially challenge for a review.
2) why the on the field umps have to run over to cameras and head sets and
3) why camera angles are viewed one at a time.

Give me an ump in a big booth with a HUGE screen that has all the camera angles synced together. If the cameras are synced you can definitely say "okay, on camera 4 he's touching the bag and camera 7 clearly shows the fielder has yet to tag the runner". Done and done.
   17. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: October 13, 2021 at 02:38 PM (#6046111)
2) why the on the field umps have to run over to cameras and head sets and
...
Give me an ump in a big booth with a HUGE screen that has all the camera angles synced together.

The only redeeming feature of the current replay setup is the awkward interaction between the umps and the random guy with a portable audio/video workstation hanging over his crotch when the umpires walk over and plug their headsets into the audio/video workstation hanging over the random guy's crotch. Don't mess with success!
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 02:53 PM (#6046116)
The way to do it is to just get rid of replay and go back to the perfectly fine way the sport was officiated from 1880-whatever until 2011. If people have such barren psychological lives that they can't live with a bad call here and there in a frivolous baseball game, tough titties. They can grow up.

This. Who cares about blown calls. Baseball is a zero sum universe. Speed up the damn game.
   19. McCoy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:01 PM (#6046119)
Review ain't the problem in regards to the slowness of the game.

But in terms of who cares might as well go back to one umpire for the game and they're the almighty god. Games finished pretty quickly with that setup.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:17 PM (#6046124)


Gotta love it. MLB limits what can be reviewed. All the people who don't want review then dunk on the system when it works the way they want it to work.


Seems like the umps still took the time to look at it, but then realized they couldn't actually overturn the call. So it was the worst of both worlds.
   21. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:17 PM (#6046125)
I hate that I'm defending MLB on this, but baseball reviews don't seem as frequent or as drawn out as football and the NBA. Tallest midget looks pretty good I guess. The challenge system is dumb, though. Either an extra ump as mentioned above, or the crew chief needs to call for review.
   22. geonose Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:23 PM (#6046128)
why the on the field umps have to run over to cameras and head sets

I don't understand why the umps need to look at the review cameras at all; they aren't the final arbiters. All replay decisions are made by a replay official in New York.
   23. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2021 at 03:26 PM (#6046132)
Who cares about blown calls.
Short memory? Replay is a direct result of a lot of folks caring about blown calls.
   24. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2021 at 04:23 PM (#6046145)
Review is not the biggest piece of the pace of play problem. But it is a part of it. And the hell of it is the closest plays - the ones that aren’t obviously wrong - are the ones that take forever to review.

Correcting the obvious errors doesn’t take very long.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 04:34 PM (#6046149)
Short memory? Replay is a direct result of a lot of folks caring about blown calls.

And I'm saying it's dumb to care.
   26. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6046154)
#12 is how they do replay in other countries and their sports. This notion of the manager/coach asking for replay is bunk. In Rugby(and rugby league) for instance, there's a guy in the booth who can be called upon by the refs on the field if the call is really close. Since they guy has already watched the replay once or twice by the time the on field guys "go upstairs", the issue is usually resolved in like 30 seconds.

Of course, I loathe replay, so I'm on board with #14. You get the occasional bad call, it is what it is. Move on as it's only a game.
   27. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 05:25 PM (#6046155)
Of course being a Red Sox fan and now according to every fan of every other team, my guys get every call anyway so we don't need replay!
   28. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 06:24 PM (#6046164)
I don't understand the logic of preemptively ruling out replay for calls that could be seen to be blatantly wrong. Nobody wants the replay booth to spend seven minutes re-litigating a balk call, but catch-or-no-catch seems pretty binary.


Because they get it wrong all the time, and it is a boring waste of time? It has literally no benefits.
   29. McCoy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 06:46 PM (#6046165)
Lol. No
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 06:56 PM (#6046166)
Because they get it wrong all the time, and it is a boring waste of time? It has literally no benefits.


As someone who would rather not have any replay at all, even I can't agree with this. Sometimes they do overturn them correctly. For me though, I don't care. It's just not that important to me that it's always perfect(or that they try to strive for perfection). It takes away too much from the ebb and flow of the game(any sport) to me.

I know most people think I'm shouting at clouds with this opinion but I just don't care that much about stuff like this whether it's exact or not.
   31. McCoy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 07:15 PM (#6046167)
Bad calls used to stop the game cold BITD and forever changed that game.
   32. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: October 13, 2021 at 07:31 PM (#6046171)
Do it like cricket. Watching the Indian Premier League:

Each team gets 1 challenge. If they get it overturned, they keep the challenge.

Umps act like they're fallible and can ask for a check.

The refs stand there and wait for a guy looking at things on screens remotely to decide the call. Then they tell the ump to make the call and put it on the big screen.

They also give the audience at home the same feeds, including audio in the replay booth.

Longest review I saw was 4 minutes in the 30 some odd games Ive watched the past 2 months. Everyone abides by it and moves on.

But of course, the requires umps to realize that sometimes they just don't know.
   33. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 07:46 PM (#6046172)
Everyone abides by it and moves on.


yeah, well, that works in India because Indians are mild, compliant people and Americans will argue stuff for arguments sake.
   34. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#6046176)
Bad calls used to stop the game cold BITD and forever changed that game.


Because there was the very infrequent manager losing his sh*t and putting dirt on the plate? Tell me one fan who didn't love a good Weaver or Billy Martin rant back in the day?

That was far more entertaining then watching 5 fat guys with ill fitting headphones standing around for 5 minutes deciding if some bloke in NY(or wherever) was going to overturn a call.
   35. cardsfanboy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:14 PM (#6046191)
I honestly do not even understand the mentality of the anti-replay crowd, it just seems so archaic and moronic, that I just can't comprehend that concept.

I get the argument for overturning obvious mistakes, but not others if it's going to take more than 30 seconds or so, but the concept that Denkinger (or Joyce) call could still stand in todays game or other obvious mis calls that can be seen in real time as incorrect, and can be seen with a single replay, is ridiculous. There is no reason for a Denkinger level of mistake to continue to exist.

   36. Tony S Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:38 PM (#6046193)
Replay in baseball involved a tradeoff. We were surrendering one of the sport's great virtues -- it all occurs in real time, with no mechanism for having to "ratify" a play, so a homer is a homer is a homer -- in exchange for getting every last little call correct. There is no more annoying phrase in a football broadcast than "a flag is down", but no one is going to stop the NFLization of MLB at this point.

Be that as it may, replay isn't even accomplishing THAT. It's just moving blown-call controversies to a different level. But its not RESOLVING them.

Just ditch the whole idea already.
   37. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:38 PM (#6046194)
I honestly do not even understand the mentality of the anti-replay crowd, it just seems so archaic and moronic, that I just can't comprehend that concept.


It's entertainment. Wins are zero sum, and an occasional blown call just doesn't affect the entertainment value.

If you go to a play or a concert and somebody flubs a line or a lyric, they don't start the number over. Live entertainment comes with miscues. An ump blowing a call is no different than a muffed grounder or a hanging slider.
   38. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:45 PM (#6046195)
I honestly do not even understand the mentality of the anti-replay crowd, it just seems so archaic and moronic, that I just can't comprehend that concept.

I get the argument for overturning obvious mistakes, but not others if it's going to take more than 30 seconds or so


But what you wish for in your 2nd sentence is NOT what is happening. 95% of the time it's this laborious call making scheme over some call no one could ever see with the naked eye. If you can't comprehend that anti-replay crowd(aka, the crowd who doesn't really care enough for all calls to be exact) doesn't want that as a part of baseball, then that's your issue, not mine.

You want this idealistic version of replay, and that's not what we have, nor will ever get. But hey keep calling everyone with a different opinion moronic, that'll be sure to garner support.
   39. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 13, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6046196)
and of course, Snapper, beats me to the post and puts it much more succinctly then I did.
   40. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 13, 2021 at 11:47 PM (#6046205)
It's obviously a blown call when you have the still image at the top of the article.
Watching the video at full speed, no it's not an obvious blown call. No way.
   41. Howie Menckel Posted: October 13, 2021 at 11:59 PM (#6046207)
There is no reason for a Denkinger level of mistake to continue to exist.

I would be favor of limiting the discussion to the 1,000 or so most significant "win expectancy" changes in MLB history, or the 100 or so most relevant blown calls in the postseason. there is no reason to revive 36-year-old trifling changes in WE in the midst of a series in an overarching discussion about replay.

instead, let's focus on blown calls that made a dramatic difference in the likelihood of a team winning a series.

I mean, I'd have favored replay reversal back then - if only to have this utterly tired delusion of lost series certitude having been fatally strangled before it ever even gained a voice.

and I would like to know if anyone knows the WE likelihood for winning the series before and after the dopey Denkinger blunder. am sure it is far, far less than the lunatic fringe apparently still believes.
   42. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 01:15 AM (#6046209)
Here’s a fun experiment. How many replays challenges do people think happen per game, and how long do they take, on average? (Don’t look it up first.)

I honestly don’t know the answer and will look it up tomorrow, but I’m curious how much people’s perception here comports with reality.
   43. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 14, 2021 at 01:35 AM (#6046211)
Because they get it wrong all the time, and it is a boring waste of time? It has literally no benefits.

I believe it improves officiating from 95% to 96%. Or 85% to 86%.

But the time and energy spent on it is more than the payoff.

   44. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2021 at 05:38 AM (#6046213)
Adele is quite famous for restarting her songs if she screws them up. I've been to a concert where the artist has restarted.

Baseball is a live competition and people have always wanted competition to be fair.
   45. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2021 at 05:39 AM (#6046214)
Baseball replay is very painless
   46. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: October 14, 2021 at 08:22 AM (#6046218)
I honestly do not even understand the mentality of the anti-replay crowd, it just seems so archaic and moronic, that I just can't comprehend that concept.


snapper lays out the case pretty well.

Beyond that, for me and I think most "abolish replay" folks I'd be fine with a reasonable replay process but the current system is a mess. What should happen is something along these lines (feel free to adjust times and specifics a bit);

fifth umpire in booth (or New York whatever)
10 seconds to decide the play is being reviewed
30 seconds to confirm/overrule/inconclusive

Done. This will get the "holy #### Stevie Wonder would have gotten that right" calls fixed (which I think everyone prefers) and eliminate the useless standing around. Also, for the love of all that is holy someone give the second base umpire a ####### CELL PHONE. How many times have you watched a game and you've known the outcome of the replay before the umpires even get to the magic Replay Headsets Brought to you by Mitel the Official Replay Sponsor of Major League Baseball. And this idea that some calls aren't reviewable...I mean what the #### is that? Why couldn't this call be reviewed? It makes absolutely zero sense.

The other thing is it is just disruptive. One of the first camera shots after Hernandez' walk-off was of Kevin Cash deciding to challenge the runner leaving early. He didn't of course so no harm no foul but as a fan in that moment why do we need to wait 30 seconds to be allowed to enjoy the moment? A play is close or it isn't.

If they did this right I'd be fine. They don't and they won't and that takes away the enjoyment of an entertainment business.
   47. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2021 at 09:32 AM (#6046235)
The percentage of people who claim "if they did this right" that would actually be fine with it has got to be close to zero.
   48. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 09:43 AM (#6046237)
Baseball is a live competition and people have always wanted competition to be fair.

It's completely fair, unless you think the umps are cheating.
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 09:48 AM (#6046241)
The percentage of people who claim "if they did this right" that would actually be fine with it has got to be close to zero.

If the system impose no appreciable delay in the game, and didn't cause any stupid gamesmanship (like the tag at 2B BS), I'd be fine with it.

It basically has to happen so fast, that it's like the ump reversed himself, or the crew chief over-ruled it.

The review official should have to signal the review almost instantaneously (1-2 seconds); give the field umps a buzzer. If you can't see the need for review with the naked eye, the play is fine.

Then they can watch the replay once in slo-mo. Again, if the call isn't obviously wrong, no need for review. If it takes more than 20 seconds, the call stands.

Any play decided by fractions of an inch doesn't need to be reviewed.
   50. Space Force fan Posted: October 14, 2021 at 10:52 AM (#6046259)
The replay argument is silly. Baseball (and all the other sports) are in bed with the gambling industry. People get real upset if they lose thousands of dollars on demonstrably bad calls. Replay is needed to reassure the gamblers that the game is on the up and up so that the money keeps rolling in.

For everyone complaining about the time it takes for replay, they must forget about the routine arguments between players/managers and unps leading to players being tossed due. Replay doesn't delay the games anymore than the arguments that would happen without it with the side benefit of far fewer ejections.
   51. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6046263)
Money was rolling in before replay. And replay calls in the NFL are kind of BS and they certainly don't make the gamblers happy.
   52. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: October 14, 2021 at 11:33 AM (#6046269)
For everyone complaining about the time it takes for replay, they must forget about the routine arguments between players/managers and unps leading to players being tossed due. Replay doesn't delay the games anymore than the arguments that would happen without it with the side benefit of far fewer ejections.


Arguments were a lot of fun. The fans were always screaming and yelling either telling the ump what a blind idiot he was or telling the ump to toss this ridiculous excuse for a manager. Replay is a bunch of people checking their watch.
   53. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 11:39 AM (#6046275)
The replay argument is silly. Baseball (and all the other sports) are in bed with the gambling industry. People get real upset if they lose thousands of dollars on demonstrably bad calls. Replay is needed to reassure the gamblers that the game is on the up and up so that the money keeps rolling in.

Anything that discourages gambling on the sport is a good thing, IMHO.
   54. . Posted: October 14, 2021 at 11:48 AM (#6046279)
Denkinger is the one everyone points to, but it proves the anti-replay argument perfectly. There's been literally one call in 45+ years egregious enough to stick in memory. And even then, it didn't really "cost" the Cardinals Game 6 and obviously didn't cost them Game 7.

Citing Joyce is silly. So a guy "lost" a perfect game on like a June Wednesday night. BFD.

And of course the perfection idea of replay long predates gambling, so it isn't gambling that triggered it. And #### the gamblers anyway. No one should give a #### about those degenerates, anymore than they should care about the emotionally needy people who crave perfection, and never get it, in something as frivolous as sports.
   55. pikepredator Posted: October 14, 2021 at 12:27 PM (#6046283)
The review official should have to signal the review almost instantaneously (1-2 seconds); give the field umps a buzzer. If you can't see the need for review with the naked eye, the play is fine.

Then they can watch the replay once in slo-mo. Again, if the call isn't obviously wrong, no need for review. If it takes more than 20 seconds, the call stands.


I wonder how many pages of the rulebook the actual "replay rules" take up. Because you nailed it in 5 sentences. That's all I want from replay - fix the calls that are obviously wrong as soon as they are replayed on the Jumbotron. Also, give the umps the chance to call for a review when positioning & player bodies result in an inability to see the play clearly.
   56. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 01:00 PM (#6046289)
Indians are mild, compliant people and Americans will argue stuff for arguments sake.


That has not been my experience, to say the least.
   57. McCoy Posted: October 14, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6046292)
Fans can't scream during a replay delay?
   58. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 14, 2021 at 05:05 PM (#6046369)
I understand if people want the replay version that Jose or Snapper mentioned above. But this is never going to be the version you will get, so I'd just rather not have it.

As I mentioned before, I just don't care if all the calls are perfect. It's not really a big deal to me. If the Red Sox get hosed on a game 7 deciding call, my life will still go on and I will have at least witnessed a really exciting end to a MLB game.

The focus should be on the play on the field not on the umps. People make mistakes, it is what it is.

   59. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 14, 2021 at 06:03 PM (#6046379)
As I mentioned before, I just don't care if all the calls are perfect. It's not really a big deal to me. If the Red Sox get hosed on a game 7 deciding call, my life will still go on and I will have at least witnessed a really exciting end to a MLB game.


Generally agree, though the Joyce and Denkinger miscalls didn't rise to the level of exciting. Anything I can see from a distance on a small screen as a blown call ...

I'd want a limit, too, on how slow the slo-mo is. Superduper slo-mo enhanced 50x? Nope; that's back to off-the-bag-for-a-millisecond calls

But the "problem" with the Snapper/Jose plan, which I'd also endorse, is that the replays will get played over and over and the replay rule would keep getting expanded.
   60. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 07:09 PM (#6046391)
But the "problem" with the Snapper/Jose plan, which I'd also endorse, is that the replays will get played over and over and the replay rule would keep getting expanded.

Yes. That's why I'd rather just junk it and live with the umps mistakes.
   61. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 14, 2021 at 10:23 PM (#6046441)
I think a better way to go would be really minimal replay with the goal of erasing really major injustices.

So, like, give each manager one challenge per game—if they get it wrong, they lose their challenge for the entire series. (3/4 game series—no adjustments.). If they get it right, they get…one challenge the next game. Maybe allow for two mistakes in 7-game playoff serieses.

(Allow as many events as possible to be challenged: none of this “well X can’t be challenged because arbitrary underthought reason”)

You’d likely end up with not much more than one challenge per ballgame.

####, even this might be too much—you could talk me into one challenge per SERIES, and you lose them for 10 games if you’re wrong.
   62. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM (#6046444)
I think a better way to go would be really minimal replay with the goal of erasing really major injustices.

So, like, give each manager one challenge per game—if they get it wrong, they lose their challenge for the entire series. (3/4 game series—no adjustments.). If they get it right, they get…one challenge the next game. Maybe allow for two mistakes in 7-game playoff serieses.

(Allow as many events as possible to be challenged: none of this “well X can’t be challenged because arbitrary underthought reason”)

You’d likely end up with not much more than one challenge per ballgame.

####, even this might be too much—you could talk me into one challenge per SERIES, and you lose them for 10 games if you’re wrong.


The problem with the challenge system is you get a delay on every close play while the managers have somebody look at the video.

Challenge systems suck. Put the onus on a 5th ump. If they can't decide in the normal 20-30 seconds between pitches, the call stands.

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